@@Manushyan_123India is. India hammered them in England and in India too in the t20. Go and check records. Will continue hammering unskilled bunchs of trash.
@@Manushyan_123at least we have more ICC trophies than England and also achieved no.1 ranking all formats simultaneously, what has england achieved???
The team that won 50 over WC based on boundary counts would never deserve to win any future ICC trophies. How someone can win a trophy like WC based on boundary counts. ICC is ashamed of making such a bullshit rule. Even in IPL, They have another super over if it's tied in first super over so an event like WC also should have the same rule.
As an England fan they should have played another Super Over. The count back rule is abysmal. Plus Archer should never have bowled the Super Over, Liam Plunkett or Chris Woakes would have been better.
@@hirokjyoti7226 nope they lost against pakistan, srilanka and Australia in group stages and were dependent on other results to qualify for semis, if they had played good cricket in 2019 WC then it would have reflected in 2023 WC performance and we all know what happened in that world cup. Champion and quality teams ll always have consistency in their performance in ICC tournaments but that's not the case with england.
@@sumbdi they thrashed aus in sf ..that matters you forgot...they played Aggressive cricket from 2015 and that made them successful.....so you cannot say they are not worthy....
2 days ago, both Atherton and Nasser Hussain were extremely confident of England reaching the finals. Did they not know how the conditions are going to be just 24 hours before the game? Especially after there have already been many matches played at the same venue in the same tournament. Poor to find excuses in conditions when England didn’t even utilise the spinners they had in side ( Moeen Ali)
The condition means the spin favouring pitch was on Indias side. These great pundits may ponder why Moin Ally was not fully used on a pitch favouring spin !!!
The comments about pitch being spin friendly seems more like the frustration expressed as an English fan, I don't think it is something even the English team would have discussed or thought of. If the English team reflects on their performance they actually did not perform very well against all the better bowling attacks, that would be what I will take away as a team for improvement. These comments rather portray the English team as flat track bullies which I think they will never like.
There are only three teams that cry over pitches and conditions, English Australians and Pakistanis. Rest all the teams just keep doing their job on every kind of pitch or condition unless they are threatening enough to get players hurt badly . These three teams are just pure disgrace as well for all kind of nonsense on the field and off the field.
Atherton don't blame the conditions. Your team does not have the skills to adapt to conditions. India thumped Australia on a bouncier track in the semi. Clearly a much better team.
Even Asian teams like bang,pak doesn't know how to bat on spinning tracks of quality sipnners ...then how would you expect Eng to do this against a quality spin attack ....
Stop saying in the conditions India was better. That undermines the victory. England was thrashed hands down and conditions are same for both teams. Would you dare saying ‘in the conditions England were a better team at lords’ if they won a knock out game there?
The segment started with.. The conditions suiting India mre.. This is so dispiriting.. When Eng won the last SF against Ind, you ppl were gung ho abt Butler nd not once did u mention the conditions.. It shows the mentality of old school Englishmen who fr the lobe of their life cant accept that non-white countries can win on their own. This escapism attitude has cost Eng past silverware.. Barring that joke of a WC final. No wonder Aussies smash the pons left, right and centre.
You guys are worse than Pakistan too....probably srilanka / windies level...got thumped in test series...only 3 wins against top teams in 50 and t20 WCs...u guys need a complete revamp of your cricket ...
Would you ever give credit to india ? Always britishers find an excuse and not give credit where its due. You gotta play everywhere and improve. Keep complaining, no one minds
England team are rubbing sack the lot of them all they think about is money no pride in wearing the England shirt anymore we need to replace this squad with young hungry players who would wear the shirt just for their country not money
Still clowny Buttler bowled first on a pitch that was expected to be more slow and low with a great deal of variable bounce didn't even bring moeen on that track when livi and Adil went for 49 in 8 ovrs 😂atleast moeen would have tied down India miserably India shouldn't have reached 170 then
If conditions are to be blamed then we Indians can say the same about WTC final both times being held in England where conditions and pitch favours SENA countries and Indian team were at disadvantage in both finals..
Oh then athers will say india weren't good enough in these conditions their technique is awful India lacked technique and patience anything to mortify India when eng loose on slow pitches oh pitches like these suit India can't even whole heartedly say india was best on that day Eng weren't at their best hypocritic confident scumbags this Englishmen manages to hang with a thread known as conditions 🤣🤣
England needed Australia to do them a favour just to get through the group, so blaming the pitch when you get battered by the world's best team is just silly. South Africa have been excellent this tournament - hopefully they make it more competitive in the final against India than England did in the semi with their sloppy bowling and reckless batting.
Some sensible comment. Couldnt agree more brother. Even when we play in New zealand where its just dozen of swing we dont complain. If you are the best u are the best. We even complained to BCCI why they gave england dusty pitches in 2021 test tour of England to India and this time in 2023 we saw the pitches were fair to everybody.
Yeah when you are the best lot you dominate in every conditions not kind of whinge like Michael chimed in icc favoures India by alloting a semifinal in guyana 😂 absolute jesters
First sentence from Athers had to mention ‘conditions’. He doesn’t seem to like the 250+ scores of the IPL as well. Essentially seaming conditions is the only form of cricket that is truly ‘fair’. You had a left arm spinner on the bench that could have made a difference so could’ve Ben Duckett. Poor selection and totally outclassed imo.
What is a favoring condition? They both played on the same pitch. Nowadays every team go and play in every country. India also, plays in England New Zealand Australia. Just stop giving excuses and teach your boys how to play spin. India never complains About the seaming swinging conditions in England or New Zealand or any other countries because they know how to adapt to the condition according to the situation, England does not so just stop giving excuses. Accept the fact and move on.
@@TheGreatVivek7it’s the game they invented. Learn spellings honestly 😂 , English people die internally whenever they lose any CWC or Football tournament . So shutup😂. No one travels that far unless until it’s final match , the Indians who migrated to Us supported our team
@@RakibHasan-hs1mewe were more crying about the good decision of patt Cummins and brilliant batting of head and brilliant fielding of Aussies in world cup final .
@@mohammadfaisal7143 if India could defeat pakistan and Australia on fast bowling pitches, then I don't know what England could have done, their fast bowlers are way out of form.
The English are saying india won only because they won on a ground they chose and they are yet to qualify for a WTC final when it is happening in england every time
@@bhumikjoshi4573Sorry, India never complains about the conditions. Cape Town test was dangerous and lasted only 5 sessions. India didn't utter a word but Rohit said... whenever anyone comes to India, just keep the mouth shut and play in whatever pitch was offered. These English cricketers always cry.
Atherton pal Nasser predicted the day before the India - England semi-final that it will be an England South Africa final. Both knew that they are playing in Guyana. It's always when they lose they find an scapegoat. Another such Englishman in Michael Vaughan on his twitter . He is gatting proper bashing. Why are all English commentators like this ? huh?
I got your point with the conditions, yes if India can play well in this conditions y not England can play well same conditions as India, English players play in IPL, right but y would India have option to chose where to play haaa, yyyy y not England and others have options to choose where to play. That’s not fair to other country
England only plays well under certain conditions, and everyone knows it. I don't understand why Michael Atherton always defends them for this. If you're a good team, you need to win everywhere.
Hi Athar, please stop giving the usual English excuse, about the pitch favouring the opponents etc. Accept that your English team cannot play in pitches where world cups are played.
People dont realise that's how english response is to defeat . Over ages Indians have been brought up thinking oneself as defeated race thanks to our education which thought we were ruled by others for centuries. So when we loose we blame on ourselves or try to associate on us being loosers its psychological people might not agree to it. Most if not all English come with a different upbringing and when they loose they try to reason and think oh may be this might be a most likely reason or else we have been winning for ages now and these feelings go strong when pitted against what they presume inferior.
“Thought to ruled by others?” You do know that “our education” also teaches about defiance against impossible odds. Dont be like England. Stop blaming circumstances.
They considered eoin morgan the legend who comes from ireland and win the world cup in home conditions with boundaries margin,, that's level of England.with only 5000+ runs 😂😂😂
Why are Indians so obsessed with karikket? Going around and commenting everywhere lol. This is not a video for you. No one takes karikket that seriously in England as it’s an inferior sport to football
they say slow and spin wickets as if it is not a part of cricket why don't they look to improve their own team so that they can be compatible on any pitch. why there is this crying game everytime.
The semi-final at Adelaide in 2022 had pitch conditions that were perfectly suited for the aggressive English T20 power hitters. No one brought that up. No one in the English media had an issue with conditions on that day. 2 years ago England deserved to win the semi-final. Now India deserve to go through.
I’m an England fan full stop but Jos butler either needs to give up the gloves or the captaincy but I don’t think he will because he is stubborn. Also the shirt and ties need to relive Mathew Mott and offer it to Morgan.
I do think a lot of Englands players need to retire or be dropped ( Moeen , Bairstow etc ) I think we need to bring in some fresh talent ; Salt , Jacks look promising , I’m sure we have plenty of others
No one talked about indian batting athers and english experts are blaming conditions firstly as professional players you have skill to play all these conditions around the globe even india lost to 2022 wc semi we are not blamed conditions just outplayed why you're didn't accept your performance
There will be a day when India will beat England even on flat decks, these English commentators will be left with no reasons in future, I guarantee that to you. The two trophies that England has won haven't been smooth, just look at 2019 world cup, England was on the verge of elimination after they lost to srilanka. A champion team never complains about pitch and conditions, they should learn this from Australia
Debate on pitches made me realize that how great indian bowling line up is ....Indian bowling dominated in all three types of pitches ...green tracks in USA , flat track with Australia, rest matches in slow tracks
Or maybe teams don’t field a good side in karikket because developed countries don’t care about karikket. Karikket is only popular in 3rd world countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh lol
India is the best team in any conditions, they play, as if you can remember India played Semi - final in 2019 WC. It is England's problem that they don't have quality spinners and seamers who could have stopped India before 171.
How come when India loses on a flat deck it's a solid England performance but when England loses it's the conditions. Same old lazy analysis by English pundits, never giving credit to the opposition. When these same pundits predicted an England victory a day before the game?
So these bunch of sour grapes forget that England won the toss and England sucks at using the spin conditions, but apparently "conditions" is what got India through. The mental gymnastics to put asterisk next to India's win is amazing.
All ICC World Test Championship matches are being played in England and India is loosing them mostly because the conditions favouring SENA countries. Thats not a problem, but this is a problem for these guys.
Big diffrence is not adelade and jameca diffrence is bumrah and kuldeep is not playing in adelade they are playing in adelade result has been different.
India has already proved that in spite of not winning ICC events ...India is still the best team across all formats by performing in South Africa, England , australia etc. England won the semifinal in australia because they outperformed india and lost in Guyana due to low , slow pitch which suited India. What a height of hypocrisy 👏👏👏
Petty excuses. Conditions didn't suit india either. While the indian top order was batting the ball was keeping tremendously low. How are these suitable conditions for any team?
Why is that Eng experts never talk about conditions when the other teams lose and Eng wins, is it that difficult that your team is not good enough that day, spare a thought.
When India wins its conditions and when England win its talent common guys accept India were the best team of the tournament by far and deserved the title
Athers is all about CONDITIONS CONDITIONC CONDITIONS.....dude learn to respect the winning team and accept the failure from your side. Eng was mediocre at best relying on Buttler & Rashid's individual brilliance. Majority of the team are old and look rusty. Eng simply not good enough.
What Atherton and morgan missed to stress upon is they lost by a margin of 68 runs. It was not a close match, india just devastated england. If not for tailenders push, they woukd hVe lost by 80-90runs atleast.
How much these guys moan! Indian ex-players / commentators never hide behind the nature of the wicket. The England team needs an Indian coach to make men of this bouquet of lilies that masquerades as the English team.
Athers, why cant you simply accept that England were overplayed totally and not blame it on 'conditions'. If England won on seaming conditions, will you have credited the conditions. England better learn to play in all conditions around the world, around the year.
Some fairly lame excuses here. England were very poor hand have been for quite a while. Their batting has been very flakey not least when they completely blew it against South Africa.
Signs of denial! Conditions! Appalling technique and inability to adapt. India goes to UK, ball swings a mile on a green grass top but none will complain about conditions!
We understand the frustration of Brits...they have realised that they can't steal our winner (or at least runners up if South Africa defeats us) to put it in the British museum ☺️☺️
