NIHIL!! Edit(3/26): Clarifications on the video. Thanks to everyone who pointed out certain ideas and confusing bits in the video: First, the origin of the omens with the Loathsome Dung Eater, this at best is a theory and I'll be honest a pretty weak theory from me, I included it because there really just isn't that much solid written down in-game information about how the first Omens came to be. The only ones I could find were all the Omen related stuff with Dung Eater (Seedbed Curse/His Armor/His Dialogue) he also states that he has killed thousands, so he's been at this for a while. Second, the opening cinematic where Morgott was fighting what looked like a soldier in Radahn's armor. I believe that this is simply a champion of Radahn or something similar. I didn't feel the need to hyper focus on that because that's the only scene we have of that moment and there's no item descriptions that talk about that. So I left it at "He killed countless champions". oh and 1 last thing, the Dung Eater is NOT an anti-hero, he's twisted beyond sanity. But hey as you can see in my profile picture, I have horns too, maybe I'm an Omen~~~ Thank you!
How ironic that Morgott and Mohg, omen children cursed from birth with a wretched existence are the only two demigods still perfectly healthy by the time of the game.
@@kingnofplazma7322 yes but the older brother o the trio (or more) could die due to many reasons and if that happened the twins would have to prove themselves in some way
That actually makes sense, now that you mention it. Morgott sees his curse as a monstrous thing to be hated, explaining why his horns are lopsided and tumor-like. Meanwhile Mohg, accepting and embracing his curse, has symmetrical horns, as if they were a perfectly natural part of him.
I wish the Mohgwyn Dynasty was a secret ending like Ranni's. That halfway through or something you'd actually get that audience and was rewarded a special spell of Mohg and a bigger reward before the ending.
A mogh ending could be cool he could ask you to infuse the elden ring with his blood to create a new order and defeat the elden beast to put the formless mother as the outer god of the land between I really hope we will see other outer god in DLC
@@artynsnow514 probably cut content but well they added jar bairn and some npc's end quest in last patch so perhabs we will be able to create the moghwyn dynasty in the next one
I agree, Morgott and Radahn were worthy of their titles till the end. It sounds pathetic but I teared up a little when I reads Morgott’s rune, despite his ill treatment he still was a truer lord than most. Using hatred to push himself to greater heights rather then just taking it out on others like Mohg. Not that I don’t like Mohg though “lord of blood” is a badass title to have.
The fact that someone/something like Mohg was guarding the way to the Three Fingers, assuming to stop anyone from getting to it, should show just how bad the frenzied flame is.
Do you also believe that gold is evil because men with guns are guarding the vaults? More expensive guards = more evil? Or maybe you don't have pinwheel guarding shit you actually like.
That was only an illusion, it's not actually Mohg. You can tell because it doesn't bleed, frostbite, get poisoned, etc. Maybe it was Mohg who made the illusion, though it'd make more sense if it was Morgott who did so. Morgott has every reason to block the entrance to the Three Fingers, Mohg doesn't.
@@Nezxmi It could be that Mohg made that illusion in order to trick people into believing that he's still down there, imprisoned/or guarding his post as most omens should be. Either that or maybe he still somewhat has a sense of duty, since I'm not sure if it's been stated if he has any disdain to the golden lineage, especially since his twin brother's territory is just above the sewers.
@@Ardiar21 If we look at the greater context I think Mohg does have disdain for the Golden Order, though maybe not it’s lineage. Mohg worships the Formless Mother, a separate Outer God from the Greater Will. He also wishes to become consort to Miquella, another person who wishes to replace the Golden Order. So it wouldn’t make much sense for him to protect the Golden Order, indirectly or otherwise. I figure it’s gotta be Morgott creating the illusion as he cares about the Golden Order more than any other Demi-God and is the only one who would know of Mohg anyway.
Rather than having his cursed name tied with the Erdtree, Capital, and the throne, I believe Morgott had wanted to keep a low profile when he wasn't actively governing the Leyndell Capital, which is why he subtly changed his name to Margit. This can be evident from Gideon Ofnir's dialogue when giving information about Morgott. He refers to Morgott as Lord of Leyndell, meaning that it may be widely known that whoever has control of the Capital is someone named Morgott. Gideon also states that "The Veiled Monarch can wait" meaning that nobody knows who Morgott is or what they look like. Though you could still definitely be right about Morgott not wanting his Omen cursed name publicly associated with the Capital. Morgott is a high profile name, meaning that he could potentially be hunted down by any Tarnished or even by the other shardbearers. Margit though, is an unknown name. Name of an Omen, and one of a championed warrior who is at Stormveil Castle guarding the weakest shardbearer, Godrick the Grafted.
Oh thanks for this it explains a lot, ik it's not fact for sure but it's the best explanation I've seen. I find it hilarious how he his alternate name sounds almost the same as his actual name but no one seems to connect the dots lmao.
Grim: it might be not Mogh fault that his dynasty is devoid of champions. The cursed blood those champions received may have turned them into blood thirsty invaders. Me who have been invaded by four River of bloods invader today: yep, that is accurate.
Morgott's curse symptoms were released during his second phase, when the curse exploded out of him... my theory is, that the curse couldn't handle the amount of love Morgott carried, for his family, home, and his people.
@@maleniahateaccount7090 It might even be that Morgott treats his horns, trying to hold back the "curse" he holds within his blood. There are signs along his body of horn trimming. Especially along his left side
If you read a bunch of the incantation descriptions along with the weird tumor thing you can get from the Albinauric village you're given a pretty clear picture of what Omens are. They're people blessed by the primordial source of the Erdtree's power. The "Primordial Crucible" which is basically pure chaotic life energy. The horns grow on them like tumors, and beings touched by the crucible grow weird mouthy tails like the one Margit has, or the ones the Crucible Knights copy when they do the tail spin miracle attack at you. The descriptions also say that in the past, when the Erdtree was recently discovered, people marked with these growths, horns and tumors were considered blessed by the Erdtree. They were seen as marked by the power of life itself, but over time, as civilization took hold and people began to abandon the old, shamanistic worship of the Erdtree in favor of an organized religion, marks of chaos became stigmatized and hated by the people of the Lands Between. As a result they started killing, hunting or otherwise shunning and hiding these people away. Again, wanna say that this isn't a theory I made up, but is actually what you can find in item descriptions for the game. In the past the people of the Lands Between were in touch with chaos and raw life energy but over time became more organized and started shunning people who bore the "blessings" of their old faith. Kind of sucks honestly. If Margit/Morgott and Mohg had been born hundreds of years ago they'd basically all have been treated like Prophets or Saints.
This is spot on, I have been spreading the same information whenever I see lore speculation on The Crucible or Omen not making the connection. The Crucible talismans mention that aspects of The Crucible showing up are a sign of "devolution" and the Misbegotten have been enslaved for somehow making contact with The Crucible and gaining some of its aspects. The Omen are a sign that the Erdtree is making mistakes in the eyes of the nobility, for even children of the Eternal Queen can be "cursed" with these aspects from birth. The Crucible being life in its primordial form is most likely the oldest form of life we know, Ancient Dragons. Scales, horns, tails, wings, fire breath. I also speculate that Beasts are primordial life as well, the Misbegotten sure do seem incredibly beastial..
@@jacobhugo6964 Pretty sure that's what they are. Beastmen may come in a lot of shapes and sizes but almost all of them share very similar looks. The Misbegotten are likely either *very* unfortunate looking demi-humans or are indeed touched by chaos. My money is on them being touched by chaos, which seems to be a bit of info people have that I haven't seen.
@@picklefathernurgle2719 From Winged Misbegotten Ashes: "A spirit with the aspect of wings which takes flight to loose arrows from its bow. The misbegotten are held to be a punishment for making contact with the Crucible, and from birth they are treated as slaves, or worse." They might have been demihuman or just human, but now they are touched by the Crucible.
Morgott the Omen King, the Stannis Baratheon of FromSoft: Hated, Unloved, Rejected and in turn He hated them, from beginning to end. Bust most of all, LOYAL. He serves those he hate and everything he does is he to serve his duty. The only of all Marika's Demigod childrens to stay loyal to Her Empire and it citizens and did everything to protect it. For Loyalty is it own reward. And in the end, He was the only Demigod, along with Godwin, to be mourned by the simple citizens and by his father
@Perverted Creep And dont expect him, to ever will. martin is a writer, but He worked in productions and Tv Shows, as well. He knows D&D screwd up any potential the story had
I find found these two fascinating. I love how they're basically polar opposites. One hated what he was, sealed away his powerful blood and sought to protect the very thing that rejected him. The other embraced what he was, used his blood to its full power and sort to usurp what rejected him.
I was waiting for this one. The intro cinematic shows morgott's battle against radahn and was wondering when that happened. Not sure if the person morgott appears to be fighting (or stomping on) is actually radahn or somebody else.
@@maestrrsantarael6590 I thought so too. But the armor looks distinctively unique like the one radahn wears and you can see the surrounding soldiers in the shot of them. Also, even if it was just his soldier, doesn't that mean that radahn could have been there at the capital during that battle? I am trying to find a source on if the battle between the redmane army (radahn's army) and the leyndell army did happen. But so far I got nothing on it, except the failed invasion attempt by godrick and his army to takeover the capital leyndell.
Honestly morgott is one of my favourite characters in elden ring, his lore, the fight, the reveal that margit is morgott etc. I think the same about Radahn
I got a theory on what omens might be; since omens are born at random, it's possible that the souls of beings who were cursed during their previous lives ended up possessing the bodies of fetuses before the greater will granted them a soul. (since the dung eater says that cursing and defiling his victims prevents their souls from being "returned" to the erdtree). to further extrapolate on that, it could also be that tarnished are those borne without receiving their soul from the greater will, as well as those who fall out of favor with the erdtree like we see with Godfrey.
I just beat Mohg for the first time today (I’m on NG+ but completely skipped him in NG), and he’s by far one of my favorite bosses in the game. Everything about him is incredible: the voice acting, the design, the boss arena, the lore, the actual mechanics, the OST… just incredible. You genuinely can’t be overlevelled when fighting him. If you don’t pay maximum respects when facing him, you’ll get your ass kicked, especially if you don’t take advantage of both tools the game gives you earlier in the game to help you out.
i love how these teo are polar opposites of response to trauma/oppression. Morgott falls into the ideas pushed on him, learning to hate himself more and more, dedicating himself fully to his oppressors. Mohg refuses to hate himself, to hide himself away. Instead he draws power from what supposedly curses him, carving a new life were his imperfections are sacred. A real shame about the blood murder cult.
Dude the way you ended the video with the line “if everyone is an omen then no one will be” gave me chills! Amazing story telling! I think the dung eater isn’t doing it in a place of making everyone the same to make sure the omens aren’t outcasts though I think he wants everybody to share in the suffering he does.
I actually love Morgotts character and in a way i feel bad for him. The dude is just loyal to his mother. This also explains why every damn invader i get is an arcane build lol
In the current absence of Vaati’s lore videos, your take on Elden Rings lore and the editing of your videos are very good, and nearly on par with Vaati in my humble opinion. Thank you for the awesome vids and look forward to seeing your future lore videos
Also, the albinaurics at the moghwyn palace, probably because the persecution they receive everywhere else. You see a bunch of albinaurics kneeling before a bloodnoble. And the ones that aren't infected by the blood yet, at the palace approach cliffs site of grace, thet seem lethargic, and in despair
My take is that he hates his brother just like he hates himself from being an omen. He doesn't mentioning Mogh in Lyndell is likely because of two reasons: 1. He only mentions the demigods that had a throne within Lyndell which Mogh doesn't has. 2. Just like any Golden order fanatic he pretends omens don't exists and intentionally casts his brother aside and isn't even aware of his actions.
Great video, actually feel sorry for the Omens and sheds a sort of positive twist to the dung eater's ending. The Omens were treated unjustly under the golden order, this ending at least allows them to be equal. #JusticeForOmens
One thing you didn't mention which I thought interesting is the type of fire the Omens sometimes use. It is a different fire from any other in the game, it's not frenzied flame, nor giants flame, nor black flame. But it seems to come naturally to them as Morgott uses it with the blade made from his blood and the Omens can belch it from their mouths, it's a black and yellow flame, the Dung eater also uses it, is there any explanation to what it is?
The flames that they have looks very similar to the death status effect, things like the eclipse shotel weapon art or the death lighting incantation. Major difference is that omen fire doesn't actually afflict death, despite looking similar.
Why is Morgott titled "The Grace Given?" This seems pretty important to cover. The game repeatedly says that Omens are denied Grace. If we interpret "Grace Given" to mean that he *was* granted Grace despite being an Omen, then we might be led to believe that Morgott's choice to defend the Erdtree was guided by Grace. But this opens up a HUGE can of worms. If Grace leads us to subjugate Marika and Radagon and become Elden Lord, why would Grace lead Morgott to defend the Erdtree and, importantly, to declare the other demigods as traitors? I suppose we can see it as the Greater Will pushing all great rune holders to fight for supremacy, but I don't know why he would then hold such disdain for the other demigods. One possible answer for which there's no evidence: the Greater Will, unable to directly guide the mind of Morgott due to his Omen curse, used his love for Marika and the Erdtree to manipulate the king into joining the War of the Shattering. But then, this still wouldn't warrant the title "Grace Given"--unless it's meant as a mockery, which would be truly sad for such a noble man. EDIT: Another possibility is that he's meant to be the "Grace-Given," with a hyphen. Meaning someone placed in the Lands Between by direct intervention of the Greater Will... which means Omenhood is from that particular Outer God.
I like the visual differences too, Morgott actively shaved and cut some of his horns, maybe to look more godly or like his siblings - while Mohg just goes full demonic with his horns, almost proud of his omen-ness
What a coincidence, just saw the poll you made a few days ago asking what character we wanted you to cover, and after voting for the blood lord I scroll down and see this very video.
The quest for the elden ring is to retrace the march to defend the golden order. Following the markers and begin the complete the oldest cycle. Your union into the eldest family, creating another branch in the family tree
Nah he's an asshole taking out his anger on the world by doing what he thinks is the worst possible thing he can do to people. The fact that Morgott was able to redeem himself and show empathy for those who rejected him, doesn't make what the dung eater is doing any less twisted, he's turning people into omens specifically because he thinks it's bad for them.
I can not tell you how much I appreciate you making lore videos for this game. I love this game. Truly. Best money I've spent on a game since I bought the first the last of us. But I hardly understand any story.
Godfrey and Rennala are the two parents who care about their children and those 2 in 1 really couldn't care less. Marika seemed go have love Godwyn most
The reason why Gideon called it the most apalling battle in the shattering is because Rykard ate everything in his vicinity after the contract with the devil
I was under the impression that Mogh had a doppelganger at the Frenzied Flame not to protect it, but to decieve those who seek him out. (fake his own demise, while he tries to raise his own kingdom with his new God)
My theory: Godfrey cheated on Marika with the Formless Mother. Mogh uses bloodfire abilities and Morgott’s boss weapon has a similar ability, which is derived from their birth mother. He hides that power in his petrified weapon and remains loyal to Marika, who doesn’t care for him. When Marika realized Godfrey hid his two love children under the city she banished him and split herself in two to make Radagon who could be a perfect husband to her.
I'm a sucker for lore especially for Dark souls , Bloodborne type stuff ... Lol I was looking for the lore behind Godwyn and I found this page , just subscribed I think I'll enjoy it here ... Keep it up
You see an omen is a human at heart. They too crave human pleasures and desires. But their form disgusts normal humans. So what is the use of all that power and horns, if you are destined to die maidenless and lonely lol.
If you think of the Golden Linage as a sweet maiden's bosom that rejected them. You can see that Morgott turned into a simp while Mohg walked the path of incel's rage.
15:03 NOTE: ((no matter how much of his bloody bedchamber he tried to share)) Is an interesting expression. bloody bedchamber - has 3 meanings: 1- Male violent sexuality 2- Female duplicity in lurid deviousness. (aka. Leading someone to their death, by allure) 3- Location of murder in gothic novels. So... Yeah. Seems like an allegory for forced (relations)... lets call it.
Well done analysis, but you should do a 2nd part about the Omenkillers and evil perfumers working with them who hunt down Omens and kill them, who is behind them and why are they everywhere even in the capital itself, I have a theory that they are working for Ofnir but I haven't looked into it enough yet, this is just an impression I had from the quests I finished in my first playthrough.
I originally cast the word 'Omen' to mean in the actual meaning of the word, a prophecy of sorts, more often used in a negative sense. Margit was an ill omen of Morgott to anyone daring to challenge his authority.
It strange the two pairs of twins in the game the omen brothers and The maelenia twins have horrible physiology. Apparently in Shinto (Japanese Folklore) twins were seen as accursed and often in real life killed. Perhaps these two sets of twins refer to this Shinto idea of impurity.
"Omen babies born of royalty do not have their horn excised, but instead are kept underground" I sincerely hope that "royalty" is a translation error, and that it should be "nobility". Otherwise, wouldn't that mean that every Omen in the sewers of Leyndell is a son of Marika?
At 1:30, I think you've attributed that quote to the wrong party. That is not meant to be the Omen Bairn speaking, that is the parent speaking to the child. If the child dies then they will never be returned to the Erdtree, they hope such a scenario doesn't curse them. If the child survives then they may grow up to hate their parent for being born an Omen Bairn and for having their horns cut off, they also hope such a scenario doesn't happen.
I hope for the dlc they do something like with ds1’s where we get to go back and time and see what it was like before the shattering of the elden ring. Maybe give us some insight to the demigods as a whole and how the golden lineage came to fall
I miss the second fight with Morgott because he was disguised as a week enemy. Saw it and just kept goin straight. I realize now if I had engaged it would have turned to Morgott lol.
Mohg, in the sewers, could have escaped just like "Margitt" did when we first meet him (after we break the seal by killing Morgot). Killing either doesn't seem to affect the other, though.. Makes me wonder if it is the same for any encounter with Morgot.
Same Morgott message is also displayed on the way to the Grand Lift to the north before killing Morgoth. So that's 2 same messages. Miyazaki wants you to be spurned by thorns first, without distractions. I personally believe it's a progression thing rather than a lore thing.
7:04 "And though margit would escape..." I don't think he's escaping. I think what we fought was some form of illusion or projection. I say this, because the version of him you find and fight outside the capital can be fought after you already beat him in the throne room and killed him for good there. Of coarse if might just be another bug... not the first one in this game with multiple copies of a character or them existing out of order in places...
Wow, I hated Margit so much in my first playthrough, so I outleveled morgot and completely annihilated him Now I have much more respect for him after watching this video :p
Apprently being an omen isnt even a bad thing,omen arnt even evil. The greater will just deemed them cursed beings because their condition is a left over consequence of The Crucible
I believe the "omen" is a natural occurring phenomenon long before the age of the dragons, as stated in the teachings of the crucible, which are the teachings of those who served directly under Godfrey and perhaps the king consort himself. But after Godfrey's campaign against the fire giants was over, and the rule of marika secured, Godfrey and his followers no longer serve a purpose, was subsequently devoid of grace and banished to war in a far away land and die. Under the sole rule of queen marika, all knowledge and teachings that don't pertain to the golden order are deemed heresy, horns and scales growths that were once a sign of divinity are now but an omen to be cast away.
Jesus... With all of these tales told so sparsely and furtively around the _items, incantations, and phantom ashes,_ especially around *Omens* and *Curses,* I thought for a second I was playing *Blasphemous,* instead of *Elden Ring.*
Seems to me the curse of the omen might have something to do with the fate of the merchants and them cursing people of grace. Or a consequence of removing death from the world. Or bit of both. The true state of the golden order is the fingers combined and the existence of death. People and souls are trapped in undeath regardless of the omen with the broken state of things and deathroot manifests and seeps through the roots as a cause. The chain of renewal and recycling is broken.
