HOLY SHIT! This explains something. In live in southern AZ and I got some missionaries at my door. It was 2 white guys and a 3rd I assumed was Native American. It was odd to me because in my area, the Native tribes SUPER hate Mormons and any converts are basically unicorns. This made it click, he must have been Polynesian.
Gosh I love how this channel developed I still remember when you were out on world traveling. Production values have pleasantly raised with time and the effort has show a lot of time practicing behind it. Thank you.
@@JabzyJoe I love history and used to put on your videos while playing paradox games in college. Now only if you could do a series on histography and the history of history writing. Unless I'm missing you already did something.
The Tengrist movement. Since the fall of the Soviet Union there has been a resurgence in the traditional spiritual practices of the Steppe with some calling for a unification of Central Asia on a Tengrist national identity.
As a Sarawakian, I would like to clarify that the island of Borneo is not pronounced in the same way as Brunei as the name Borneo is a latin word, a transliteration of the name Brunei as early European explorers named the island based on the dominant kingdom that they meet on the island, which is kinda the reverse of how the United States of America got its name. As such, it is pronounced as Bour-Neo, like in Bourne Identity and the Matrix's Neo. Its kinda like calling a citizen of Republic of Ireland as British which although correct in the geographic sense in that they live in the British Isles, the word British in the sense of citizenship would refer to a citizen of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Janes Brooke didn't rule in Brunei but rather the (semi-)independent Kingdom of Sarawak, on the Northwest coast of the island of Borneo. In the British Empire, Sarawak is a protectorate of Britain which mean that foreign affairs and defense are managed by the British while the local administration are wholly under the Rajah and local civil service with its own legislative body.
@Sam Wallace that’s the point though, isn’t it? In a technical sense the islands are British-otherwise the term Great Britain is geographically nonsensical. It’s clear that the isles of Man and Wight are not comparable in size. Instead there’s implied in the term a comparison of size between the two substantial islands positioned between the North Sea and Atlantic.
@Sam Wallace British was the name given by the Romans to the Celtic people who lived and live there (Irish, Wales, etc), the Anglo-Saxon part, it is just England, so I don't see the problem to call Great Britain the country when Irish were a part of one state and right now the United Kingdom to the current country formed by various nations.
The Low German Mennonites have a practical state within a state in Paraguay. They colonized and developed the Gran Chaco in Paraguay (one-third of the country). And were mostly autonomous for about 40 years.
Intentona de Barrios: Guatemalan president Justo Rufino Barrios tried to restore a United Central America, which brought him to war with el Salvador and almost with Mexico. He failed and got killed on his invasion of ES lol
@@kainaluhikalea4641 as Malaysian it totally good idea. but it sad, french polynesia or tahiti, marshall island, New Caledonia, walis and fatuna are not yet get independent, included rapa nui. polynesia federation can be sucessful, united into single federation, each island have own language and local government. Indonesia is the biggest island nation. federation of polynesia can be like indonesia too. Similarity ancient temple in Indonesia-Malaysia and around polynesia. live.staticflickr.com/65535/48535184357_03bb4431d0_b.jpg
this, and though i fully believe the egalitarianism towards their fellow believers and likely converts of the Mormons in the 19th century; their behaviour in the USA towards avowed non mormons was pure tribalistic brutality.
@@timvanrijn8239 Immediately my opinion of a Mormon poloneysian empire is soured since you said based. It just tells me that really the only people who believe in it, are internet fat asses
@@oracle8192 "You used one word I don't like to describe something, so that has fouled my opinion of it." I like that you're acting smug while unintentionally admitting you're an actual fucking trog.
@@oracle8192 i mean your right i am heavy guy. But i dont know what you have against native people having there own confederation free from imperialist controle. I am sorry my dude but inperialism is not based. I guess you just go with what the establishment wants.
My grandfather’s grandfather was a member of the band you mentioned (the Royal Hawaiian Band). He was on that trip to Samoa, and ended up marrying one of the Malieto‘a Princesses. It’s from that union that my grandfather descended. Until now I never knew the specific reason the band was in Samoa. To this day, when my uncle travels to Samoa, he is received as a noble.
Way cool, coming from salt lake the mormon connection to Polynesia is huge. Utah has the second or third largest population of samoans and tongans on the continent.
If you want a really, really obscure one. The Calen "Kingdom" which was some sort of makeshift confederation of Patagonian peoples who banded together to stand against Spanish colonizers from Chiloe. Didn't actually have a king, but called themselves a "kingdom" to show themselves having the same authority as the king of Spain.
@@giovannidipierfrancescodim3058 only in spanish. The chronicle of Father José Garcia touches on it and there seems to be an academic paper by Maria Urbina which seems to touch on the subject too.
So I looked up the Gibson guy. He was a member of the church for 3-4 years, and abused his isolation to steal from the church (including stealing the colony itself). This culminated with excommunication, so he took his grifting to the Hawaiian king next and ended up getting him burned too. Makes the title of the video seem clickbaity, since Mormons have only a tertiary connection at best to most of these events.
Wow, I had no idea about this, but that’s why I have been subscribed since you travelled around the world making videos on interesting things. Can’t recommend your channel to my friends enough.
We always are :) First we gain our independence from the declining shithole that is the United States of Am*rica, and then we begin our colonial empire!
Hey @Jabzy! Don't know if you have heard about it, but there was a Pan Scandinavian movement going on in the middle of the 1800s... it's actually really interesting stuff, I wrote an essay about it in class and learned loads of the talks between the Scandinavian countries and their (had it gone differently) unification. I'd recommend you to do some research on it yourself and make a video about it 👍
Sounds like a strange idea. Given the many historical top-down unifications, such as the Kalmar Union-which collapsed in warfare. Gustav Vasa had to beseige Stockholm, right?
Yes the pan Scandinavian movement has always interested me and it’s funny I’m from Hawaii and have lived in Sweden 🇸🇪, took a class on Swedish culture never wrote an essay on it but I still love seeing Scandinavian/Nordic cooperation
Hmmm I remember reading there were multiple attempts to establish anarcho liberal soldier communes during the cold war in several war embroiled countries. I forget the guy who started them but I recall him wearing an eyepatch and having a fake arm...
Hey - so I'm putting 3MH on my Patreon now. On RU-vid I'm going to stick with these 2 formats (hopefully improve on them) and then slowly introduce a couple more.
Good video, but the title is a bit off, it doesn't seem to be "Mormon Plans to Create a Polynesian Empire" so much as "A Former Mormon's Plan to Create a Polynesian Empire"
Other Alternate accurate titles: "Mormon's opposition to colonialism in Polynesia" "Mormon's peaceful integration into Polynesian society and government"
@@grantstratton2239 but the guy said he was only doing it to make sure non whites still existed so that whites can reign over them. Rather than wiping out the non whites. Leaving only whites with no one to rule over.
I've been doing research on the La'ie Mormon sugar plantation for about 3 weeks now. Walter M. Gibson was in charge of the Hawaiian mission for about 4 years, and was actually not supposed to stay in Hawai'i. After complaints from other missionaries there was an investigation around 1864 (he was in charge for 4 years). He was prompty excommunicated from the Mormon church. He is the one with many of the crazy ideas described.
Idk if anyone mentioned this, but the East African Federation is a unification movement that is actively working towards integrating Tanzania, Kenya, Burundi, Uganda, Rwanda, and possibly South Sudan and the DRC into one country. They even have started on a regional constitution that they plan to implement by 2023.
2:12 'he was not racist at all' goes on to show the standard orientalist view of the native people. You do realise that these portrayals of the Indonesians as people that belong in the tropics because of their closer relation to nature, is actually a way of framing those people that benefitted their colonisation by European powers.
The Kingite movement of New Zealand was partially successful in uniting the rival Maori tribes together under a single King to oppose the British crown.
New Zealand had similar plans for dominion over the Pacific in the late 19th century under Dick Seddon. And to some extent that was realized as NZ replaced many colonial powers with trusteeship over large parts of Pacific i. 20th century
@@msteve2233 yeah, just look up King Dick Seddon. That was high school history syllabus in my day. It’s why NZ snapped up trusteeship of all the available Pacific Islands and German territories like Samoa
Lessern Known Unification Movement.? In Scandavia are the Åland Island (Finnish),who proposed Unification with Sweden. Swesish Scania with Denmark or Danish Faroer Island seeking Independence. All of this are remnants of the old Danish & Swedish Empire and Their older Kalman Union. (With Norway, Finnland, Parts of England as well. The Shetland Island use to be a part of Norway bevor they reunite with Scotland again, Etc.) And I think this is more commonly known (in Europe) but the Unifaction(Plans) of German States (after the 1848 Revolution) Or The many Unifaction and Seperations-Movement (and wars) in the Balkan Region in the 19th/20th Yogosolavia and left wing Balkan Federation , The Greece plan to Reconquer parts of Anatolia (Konstantinopel) after WW1, Hungarys Ambition to reacquire its lost territories, etc.
Jabzy stay comin in hot with little known and endlessly fascinating histories out here slight misspeak at the william walker in the 1950s, tho, about 90 years after he died =P (3:18)
I have been very curious why there are so many Mormon Polynesians. I didn't know there were so many until I met my in-laws. My mother-in-law's whole family is Polynesian, along with her, and they're all Mormons and then I looked into it and found out something like 60% of Tonga is Mormon. Thank you for shedding some light on this weird cultural quirk.
It didn't really last long but there was a federation between Iraq and Jordan when they were both ruled by Hashemites. A royalist version of Nasser's Arab Union between Egypt and Syria created on Feb 1 1958, the Hashemites got theirs set up on the 14th of that month.
I just left the Mormon church after 34 years and I'm half Samoan. I became a born-again Christian April 2021. My goal is to dedicate my ministry to educating Polynesians about the truth about mormonism. It's very easy to convert Polynesians to any religion because they lack knowledge about world religions and Christianity in general. I just want to provide accessible and "easy to understand" information for them because Polynesians are very simple-minded and thus have been an easy target for Mormons... Mormonism is becoming more of a cultural thing for them. But I want to break that, and make sure they know that there's other available gospels to believe.
I remember thinking the same thing about a Carthaginian(I think) king who spoke of African "savages" he encountered in a region of west Africa. He spoke of how they screamed, and how they seized some alive, and skinned others. My relief when I realized we was describing chinpanzees for the first time.
I dont know much about it but there was plans for a kind of coalition/alliance of Latin American States following their independence to help each other with national sovereignty. Didn't work of course. USA had something to do of course. But It was a cool idea since now we Latin states areee kinda distant with each other because wars and stuff
Gibson's quotes about the Caucasian is mind blowing! Its practically a pseudo summary of Guns, Germs, and Steel. His insight sounds very ahead of his time. I wonder if his line of thinking was actually common throughout his time period.
This man is surprisingly progressive and philantropic for the 19th century, but also way out of line by stepping up to the great powers in his quest to defend native islanders and their rights. Like he was transported there from the future.
I don't know anything about the Gugar tribe, but the Kubu tribes (who call themselves the Orang Rimba) still exist in South Sumatra. They are still looked down upon the by the Malay, due to their lack of "sophistication". Most of them live in small inland villages where they do small scale slash and burn farming to live. A smaller group are purely hunter-gatherers. Some areas have had forceful conversion, but conflict is not common Note: I am not a native indonesian, this is just what I read on the subject
Orang Kubu or orang rimba is malay but it primitive, in malaysia called orang asli[orang=people, asli=original or pure], because they live in asli[nature] state, rimba mean jungle. orang rimba, orang asli, orang laut[sea people] most of them dont have architecture, city, clothing and nomad. these are Malay, live.staticflickr.com/65535/48136055517_816f85e3a8_b.jpg live.staticflickr.com/65535/48135960756_d80f32b688_b.jpg live.staticflickr.com/65535/49963579601_46d69259ea_b.jpg live.staticflickr.com/65535/48535339517_e637fe1f13_b.jpg Malaysia and Indoneisa live.staticflickr.com/65535/48136055472_3245dfc886_b.jpg live.staticflickr.com/65535/48167898656_8973521f36_b.jpg live.staticflickr.com/619/20180242784_0ba394bc88_b.jpg Jawa. media.suara.com/pictures/original/2016/02/19/o_1abrqc5in3ci1meb6uc9pe1ro9t.jpg 3.bp.blogspot.com/-QTs0TPKsvOk/Vv_kqIddYzI/AAAAAAAABSA/_9LfYQduXgAGHr3LxOVNVsYSnYpJvSzYg/s640/Masjid-merah-panjunan-cirebon.png petualang.travelingyuk.com//uploads/2019/11/shutterstock_1219025380.jpg awsimages.detik.net.id/community/media/visual/2016/11/06/48be247f-7aed-4eec-b5e4-f971c06e3269_169.jpg?w=620 mapio.net/images-p/45812976.jpg Minangkabau Sumatera Barat, dan juga terdapat di Negeri Sembilan, Malaysia. thumb.viva.co.id/media/frontend/thumbs3/2016/08/22/57ba9f02eeb40-bergaya-ala-minang-di-istana-pagaruyung_665_374.jpg 1.bp.blogspot.com/-ySmoUdeWqDQ/VKIHylH25_I/AAAAAAAAFf0/sgKHiNUJGZM/s1600/sejarah-suku-minangkabau.jpg Batak, Sumatera Utara Indonesia. www.pegipegi.com/travel/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/rumah-megah-sarat-filosofi-adat-batak-toba_191827_1140.jpg
Towards the confusion about wether orang utangs were humans or not: that's probably caused by the reports of the malai people themselves as the name "Orang Utang" translates literally to "Forrest human"
There was no Mormon plan to create a Polynesian empire. There was a Walter Gibson plan to create an empire. The title to this video is misleading. Walter Gibson converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for a time and was sent on a mission to Hawaii, but he was soon excommunicated from the Church for his incorrect teachings and embezzlement. Gibson continued his ambitions, but this was not a Mormon idea. The Church is a missionary Church and had success amongst the Polynesians independent of Gibson’s ideas.
There's Pan-Turanism, which is a theoretical unification of all the Turko-Mongolic speaking nations from Siberia and Mongolia through central Asia to modern Turkey. I think that there's also a Pan-Iran-ist idea of unifying all speakers of Iranic languages. I think Masaman or GeographyNow have videos here on RU-vid on these theoretical pan-ethic/language/culture based movements
Pan Turanism and Pan Iranism would be a horrific disaster because both of these people overlap in borders and tend to live with each other. There are like 20 million Turkic people in Iran, 25 million Aryan people in Turkey. Afghanistan and Tajikistan are basically a mix of both.
@@AsiaMinor12 I think that these are more 'Cultural', 'Artistic' or 'Linguistic' Movements rather than some kind of Nationalistic or Military Alliance focused on conquering land. I don't think anyone is worried about a modern Mongolian Horde trying to conquer half of Eurasia.
Planned pan movements become known as countries. There are a number of examples. India, China, Russia and the United States are pretty clear and obvious pan movements. But so are the Germany, French, Italian and British projects. Then there's the historical Empires such as Rome, Ottoman, Mongol, etc etc..
King Kalakaua: He was a Methodist, not a Mormon. However, under his reign, Kalakaua tried to start a navy (Kamiloa) and suggested uniting the Japanese and Hawaiian royal families through marriage, and rope in the Samoans too. A Japanese-Hawaiian coalition would have really changed history, but Japan rejected the idea.
