Mother "Butchered" Her Twin Daughters with a Samurai Sword: THE TRAGIC MURDERS OF TORI AND LILY BALL 

Two beautiful souls taken from the world far too soon… As a Mama of 2 myself, any of these cases involving children, I desperately wish I could go back in time & just grab those babies, wrap my arms around them, & give/show them all the love that they deserved!!! It shatters my heart, but I really respect & thank you, Rachel for shedding light on these cases, despite how difficult they may be to talk about. I can only imagine it must weigh heavy on you… Sending much light & love your way♥️

the other adults in the family failed these girls. the mother had been erratic and not making sense for a while. someone should’ve stepped in. the poor babies 💔

I hate it when the other parent is " devastated ' after the fact, like if you were present in your kids life you could have done something to prevent the tragedy

I’m baffled why so many people knew this mother wasn’t in her right mind and two children were in her care yet no one tried to get help? Like why didn’t no one call for the police for a welfare check anything?

WOW....this is crazy to me, that you covered this! I lived/live in the same town that this happened in. So heartbreaking. Thanks so much for covering this! No one talks about it here anymore. Bless those little girls.

If you are found not guilty by reason of insanity your not going free. Your going to hospital indefinitely. This woman belongs in a mental institution. Not in prison. She was self harming when she was 11 or 12 years old. No doubt started using and abusing drugs to cope with mental illness which in turn would've just made it worse. This woman was far crazier than the young woman that beat her mother to death with a frying pan the week before.

This is so freaking sad. It's awful that everyone saw she was loosing it but no one did a damn thing.

Oh man this case sounds heartbreaking. It’s hard to stomach cases when it comes to children especially when I have two toddlers of my own 😞

So many people were aware that this woman was completely mentally deranged and in sole care of 2 children yet they didn't call the police? 😢

During the last phone calls she had with her husband, he heard the fire alarms going off in the background and asked about it. And she stated to him, oh the twins and I are making fires in the house. And instead of calling the police for a welfare check he calls his mom to complain that’s “she’s lost it”.

So.... some spoiled brat kills her mother && she's genuinely insane- yet, this woman who truly has, && HAS had, MAJOR mental illness isn't insane?? Ohhh, yeah. Because she's an addict. That's not judgmental at all.

I think this is one of the few cases where an insanity plea is absolutely justified. This woman was very clearly not sane & not in control of her faculties at the time & long before this happened. She even reached out for help with the girls! Nobody stepped in. Nobody called anyone to check in on them, nothing. These kids were failed by all the adults around them & so was the mother to be honest. All of them needed help. I cannot fathom how this went on for so long or how she was found guilty.

44:15 I completely agree with you, but I do think that the insanity plea is warranted. I think it should have a different name though. If you plead not guilty by reason of insanity, you don’t get to go free, you get put in a mental hospital for an undetermined amount of time other than a minimum. That’s pretty much jail, and I think that the plea should be “guilty by reason of insanity” instead of “not guilty by reason of insanity”.

Wow. This is a really awful case. As a mother of twin 3 year old girls myself( and a 9 year old daughter) with a husband who worked out of town a bunch after we moved to a new state this case hit really close to home. I am an overall upbeat glass half full kind of person and have been fortunate to have no mental health issues in my life, but after the twins were born and 6 months passed and my husband had to go back out of town for weeks at a time, I really slowly started to lose my mind! Some days, most days, I was just surviving with zero family or friends in our new state I was truly alone. My husband ended up taking a different position bc it just was not manageable. Not to mention now at 3yrs old it isn’t the same as newborn obviously but they are even more work in a lot of ways! I can totally see how someone with underline mental health issues, past drug abuse etc could totally slip into a mental spiral and lose their mind. I can also see how someone with past drug abuse issues slipping back into that from stress bc that’s just how you’ve always coped. This is no excuse for what she did but just another lesson where we really need to pay attention to our loved ones when they seem like they’re struggling. She was clearly very unwell. A perfect storm of chaos in her mind that exploded into this awful unforgivable act. My thoughts and prayers are with their loved ones.

This is so heartbreaking. Thank you for giving victims a voice. Thank you for all the work you do for your channel.

I have twin daughters and one of them have twin daughters. This case hits me so unbelievably hard. All children are so precious. How could anyone harm a child.

He heard fire alarms and she said they were making a fire and she’d been acting crazy and HE DIDNT CALL POLICE????

22:35 😮😮🤦🤦🤦😮😮 *If Robert KNEW she was off her rocker.. WHY IN HELL did he NOT CALL 911 and have them go check on her.. and have his mom go get the twins?!?* *I am So confused by this!*

She wasn’t faking her illness she was very sick before she even started using meth and then after using so long she was insane and I’m not understanding why nobody saw this because if you’re incoherent and have small children why didn’t somebody call somebody at some point.I wish Robert called for help I’m not blaming him I just feel like others had to have noticed I’m so sad for those babies although I think she was insane and should be locked away for the rest of her life.

That's unbelievably sad. It's sad that people with mental health issues don't get the help they need and it's even more sad that their children suffer so much at the hands of the people who are supposed to protect them.

In 1997, my 18 y/o cousin was abducted, raped, and murdered by a monster she didn’t even know. He was convicted on all counts and sentenced to death. On his last appeal, he was found “not competent” for execution. He will now get to sit on Indiana’s death row for the rest of his miserable life. They even gave him a pet cat. That’s not justice in my eyes.

This is so tragic. It could have been prevented on so many levels. This woman did not receive the mental health care she so much needed. She was obviously insane

I can’t believe there’s a petition to give Monica a second chance! Her daughters will never get the chance to grow up because of her actions. I believe the jury did the right thing by sentencing her to life without parole

How did nobody look out for those children when they knew how delusional the Monica was? She wasn't silent about it at all. That is absolutely horrifying.

These sweet defenseless kids didn’t have to suffer so horridly and die if just one of these apparently too-busy lucid adults privy to her behavior and with knowledge about the little girls actually freakin’ considered the awful possibilities of what could transpire in the absence of intervention. Absolutely absurd and totally preventable.

I think some of the family members need to be charged. They knew this lady was on drugs and absolutely crazy, so why didn’t anybody step in and save these poor little girls

2 questions why did she have custody of her daughters in her current state and why didn't no one intervene

The fact that she seriously attempted to take her own life at the time of the murders is inconsostent with the theory that her primary motive was simply to have a child-free life. You would have to argue that (a) her motive was to free herself of the responsibilities of parenthood but after commiting the murders she was so overwhelmed and distraught by she changed her mind and decided to end her own life as well, or (b) she did not actually intend to end her own life, only go stage the attempt, but in her frenzied state took the staged attempt several steps too far. Neither of these seem very probable to me. In addition, had she really been thinking clearly and logically, she would have realized that such an obvious and brutal murder of two young children would result in her arrest and not in her having the freedom to "go out and party." Monica's paranoia and delusions fit with all the classic symptoms of meth use. Even if no meth was in her system that day specifically, meth can cause permanent brain damage and can have more severe and long-term effects in those who are already vulnerable and susceptible due to underlying mental health issues. As stated, this obviously in no way exonerates her, but it does in my opinion make the theory that she was in a delusional state at the time of the crime more likely than the theory that she was merely out to free herself of parenting responsibilities. She was very likely believing in the moment that she was sparing all of them from the immense malicious conspiracy sge was convinced of, and the unimaginably brutal way in which she went about it is to my mind consistent with the behavior of someone who is heavily split from reality.

The insanity plea is absolutely not stupid. Its not supposed to be used to escape accountability, its used to protect someone unable to defend themselves in a legal capacity. Ppl who plead insanity are still “jailed” in a sense. Just not in a facility that we think of. Just because there are a few ppl who abuse it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. We should be careful with words

My daughter is doing some kind of drugs. She says Marijuana only, but i am not sure I believe that. But she said stuff like that all the time, I need a break, these kids are making me crazy, I was worried about my grandkids so I told her I will take them and she signed them over. I am extremely grateful 🙏 I don't know what she might have been capable of..but I am so glad I never have to find out, I have since heard horrible secrets that the kids let slip out when they are in therapy and I have a good enough case. She will never get them away from me😊

This is such a tragic story, so very preventable if people had paid closer attention. I hate that just because a mom says she needs some "me time" it gets so much scrutiny, most of the time by those that either have NO children or have ready made babysitting threw family or friends. I have been a single mom of an Autistic child for 19 years and have had exactly 2 hours of me time in that time, I am not complaing I love my son, but at times I would like a little break just to recharge and remind myself that I am more than just a mom.

Hi Rachel! I heard this case before, but i don t know the case in deep like you will do now with me. 45 min is the just time I have before I go out to my day. Thanks to be there to let theses childrens never to been forgotten.

You’re wrong about your idea that “anyone who takes a life should be accountable for it.” Have you met people with legitimate psychosis? I worked with patients while in psychotic episodes, and many lose those days completely. Such as conversations, actions, etc. AND, being incompetent to stand trial, means they go to a state psychiatric hospital due to it being deamed that people are not safe with them in the world. They are not given a potential release date, and most die there. It’s completely locked and secure, like a prison. They don’t just say “well, since you were psychotic at the time, we will just let you go and hope for the best.” Edited to add: I’m not referring to “Substance Induced Psychosis.”

I am a crisis therapist and I wish someone had called police or for a welfare check. While it is not easy to involuntarily commit someone (at least in my state), I do think she would have qualified. Such a tragic case. Rest easy to those sweet baby girls

I am a huge fan of true crime content and I know almost all TC RU-vidrs, but for some reason I love you and your channel so much. First of all, your voice is perfect and you seem truly invested in every case, you are very emotional and always respectful to victims and their families. Also, I can tell that you really spend a lot of time, patience, strengt and knowledge to bring us as much details as possible. I respect how you do your research and you check every info before you include it in your vide. I truly hope you will soon get more recognition and more subs, because you definitely deserve it. I do as much as I can (as a huge fan) by sharing, liking, commenting and recommending, your channel wherever I can. Greetings to all of fellow subs from Germany!! Keep up the great work❤❤❤❤

Sounds like Monica has paranoid schizophrenia, but was never diagnosed properly. I havz two daughters, I can't even begin to think about the loss of these beautiful babies 🤍🤍

I think you absolutely nailed it-humans cannot handle the stress and must be out of their minds to kill. In this case, everyone saw it coming and no one did anything. I wish there were a way to assign blame to the community at large sometimes for looking the other way, for "not wanting to get involved". As if keeping peace with your neighbors is more important than potentially a child's life.

Classic meth use behavior. I know a few people who were EXTREMELY paranoid while using meth and now that they are all clean, 2 of them still have issues with paranoia at different degrees. And one of those two has been off of meth for almost 5 years.

I don't think the text messages she wrote about needing a break or wishing she could go back to her life before kids, i don't think that shows she wanted to kill them. It sounds like so many overwhelmed mom's and dads, people write and say things like that all the time but they don't want to kill your kids. Im not saying she shouldn't be punished im just saying those things dont make her seem like a killer on their own

After listening to you talk about this Rachel up to about 35/36 minutes, I was convinced that Monica really was suffering from some sort of insanity along with paranoia, delusions and schizophrenia which led her to carry out these heinous crimes. But then you started to talk about her being coherent for a few days before the murders, showing text messages that indicated that she was ok and seemed to be quite sane. So now I'm left totally confused as to whether she was or was not losing her mind. But the tragicness of this whole nightmare was that two beautiful little girls lost their lives and knew what was happening to them. They were far too young to know their mummy wasn't right but couldn't say or do anything about it. But there were loads of adults around who couldve done a lot more to ensure this didnt happen. Where were they and what portion of the blame can be directed at them. When it cones to the death of children, anybody really, then those people who ignore the situation are just as guilty as the perpetrator who carried the crime out. SIHP Lily & Tory 🧸🧸

This is horrifically sad, but this is prob one of the truest stories of pure insanity I’ve ever seen. Wow. It’s sad when people like this get the proper meds and realize what they have done…

Such an amazing ability to be able to deliver the true crime cases captivating the audience...

This happens a lot. People know the parents arent fit but no one wants to take the responsibilities of the children so they all turn their head the other way.

Thank you again so much for the great consistent content ❤🎉❤

Sure, she needs to pay the price for the despicable crime she committed. But, I dont think that biological father has much right to say about the whole situation. Where was he while she was struggling with kids ?!?! Did he help ?!?

I hope if my mental health was to decline so drastically, those around me intervene and institutionalize me.

This is so heartbreaking and I can’t help but be reminded of the Watts daughters CeCe & Bella with how she did this to her kids because it mirrors their final moments of one having to see the other. It’s just so heartbreaking and honestly hard to fathom, but all of us in the true crime sphere know practically anything is possible even though it’s still SO shocking. Side note I am loooving the more pink/fuschia framing your face and just throughout your hair in general (I spent the better half of a decade specializing in hair coloring and I’ve always loved the fashion color framing around your face and just kept forgetting to compliment you on it my apologies Rachel ❤)

Oh my. Those poor babies. The poor mother she had totally lost her mind. Why was nothing done to help her. There were so many warning signs. So many people knew she’s was talking and acting weirdly. Soso tragic and sad.

It’s aching to listen to but their stories need to be told and these sweet babies not forgotten. I always wish I knew these people with kids to just scoop them up and take them away when there are clear signs they are in danger. I feel bad for the father, but all of these people knew and didn’t step in, didn’t get her help when she needed and just because you don’t “think” these things will happen step up anyway because it’s POSSIBLE as we see!!! RIP sweet angels

She Was clearly going through a mental outbreak and NOBODY did anything to help her and the twins. So the worse happens... And then to cover up everybody's fault, they incarcerate the sick woman! Congratulations!!!!

Sooo no one is gonna talk about the thumbnail picture for this video and how the mom in this case and the creator look alike??? Like so much. Crazyyy. Can’t wait to watch!!

this is one of the very few cases where I think an insanity defense is actually justified and not just an attempt to shirk accountability. I really do think Monica was experiencing severe mental health symptoms and may have legitimately thought she was saving herself and her daughters from a lifetime of abuse and sexual slavery. another thing that makes me think so is that her suicide attempt was legitimate with regard to the severity of her injuries and not just some cat scratches on the wrist like we see in a lot of other people who kill their children (or anyone, really), "attempt" to kill themselves, and then say it's bc they were mentally ill. I think you can lay blame at the feet of multiple people here, and I think those poor adorable little girls absolutely could have been spared their fate if even ONE person who was aware of Monica's deteriorating mental health had alerted the proper authorities. I can't even imagine how confused and terrified these girls were in their final moments 😔😔

I hate meth so much. My eldest brother's is considered "mentally retarded" (exact quote from his medical records) by the state we're from because he has done meth for the entirety of his adult life [when not in jail/prison], and even his late teens. He is not remotely the same person he was when I was born. We've had to contend with paranoia where he literally ripped out the ceilings of our home while we were away caring for a dying relative because "there was a girl trapped in there calling to me" and cutting down a couple hundred trees on our 12½ acre property because "people were hiding behind them" and, quite recently, removing the floor joists at my grandfather's FEMA cottage underneath the tub (so no one can use it without falling through) because "people were living under there". My next eldest brother has also gotten heavily involved in it over the last ~10 years after doing it recreationally for a time before that. He's the reason my mother and I are raising little boys born with meth in their systems after being exposed to multiple other substances in utero. They are a lot- so different from any other children we've cared for and there are more hurdles to overcome all the time. But, it was us or foster care. My point is- meth takes away the person you knew. It damages their brain in ways it can't fix. Even if this woman hadn't been using daily anymore, her brain was already fried from her previous heavy use. This was, likely, inevitable with her heavy usage and paranoia. 😞😞

I write horror stories with friends sometimes. Nothing alarming there i think

She belongs in a mental institution, not in jail

Sad story but it's too easy to judge. Mental illness has a longggggg way to go before people can truly understand

There were so many times someone should have called cps, my ex did meth and soooo much in this one is unfortunately familiar.. she very clearly needed rehab and mental health help Those babies didn't deserve any of that.. my heart hurts for those girls and those trapped in similar situations because no one deserves that.

I’ve never heard about this horrific case.😢 So 1st off thank you for this vid/doc. Those beautiful innocent babies. Like Rachel stated, imagine how they felt in that moment! Especially when one sees their own mother (whom they loved & who was supposed to protect them) viciously attacking (understatement) their twin sister.🙁 Those innocent little girls went through something that we could never imagine. Idk, but I feel she did want to continue using, instead of being a mother. Sure I feel she had mental illness. However… she was using whilst being a mom. That’s never okay. Thanks for sharing this case Rachel. Have a blessed night.❤️&✌️

I don’t know… I feel sorry for her. She wasn’t diagnosed right as a child. And as an adult struggling with mental health in the U.S., it’s unfortunately very difficult for people to afford insurance or therapy. It’s way easier to get illegal substances. Those that struggle are looking for some form of relief. She didn’t get the help she needed with her girls either. Venting about being overwhelmed or wishing you had more free time as a single mom doesn’t mean that you wish your children dead. It doesn’t mean that giving them away to someone else is easy or even what you’d want either. The dad wasn’t there. I understand that she moved away, but he could have fought to see his girls. What she did was horrible and unforgivable. There were so many people that could have helped her but didn’t. My heart goes out to Tori and Lily. I hate that things didn’t turn out differently for those babies.

the insanity plea is not a bad thing. when you "win" a case with an insanity defense, it's not like you get let back out on the street, no harm no foul, if it's obvious you did the crime. Generally you get thrown into a criminal mental hospital indefinitely - likely the rest of your life - and many have said that such hospitals are even worse than prison in some regards. I agree that whether or not you're sane or insane there should be consequences for your actions.. but with the insanity plea, there ARE consequences. We legally find that they can't be held responsible due to diminished mental capacity.. but that doesn't mean they don't get sent off to an institution, often for the rest of their lives.

Rachel, doesn’t the hospital test babies after they are born? I thought I heard this. Because if the twins were positive for drugs social services should have taken the kids away from her.

There were SO MANY SIGNS!! SO MANY!!! EVERYONE THAT KNEW SERIOUSLY FAILED THESE POOR BABIES SO SO SAD!!

WHY didn't ANY of the people around her or interacted with her call the police? I'm sorry but if I even had a neighbor acting in this way I would call the police to have the police at least come and talk to her to find out if she was ok. She had 2 baby girls that had to be going through stress, couldn't anyone even see that? This is one if the most awful things I have EVER heard of. These poor little girls KNEW their mommy was hurting them...OMG...I cant even wrap my mind around just how horrifying that would of been.

I really got into your story telling and the in depth details but such a sad story what she did there's absolutely no excuse.

Thank you Be well and stay safe,,, from Australia ,,, We do totally agree with you,,,

I've used meth a handful of times and I can tell you even when you're coming down off of it holy shit the delusions are absolutely insane. You will see people that aren't there doing shit they aren't doing. I had people singing to me in full choirs

Hi Rachel🥰 Thanks for sharing this case. Have amazing day. 🙏🏽❤️🥰😍😘😊🤗😉💐🌷⚘️🌹❤️🙏🏽

OMG, so tragic! RIP little angels.

Omg the sheer terror and pain those little ones experienced before their death... 😢😢😢 Unimaginable... 😢😢😢

Hello Rachel!! Happy Wednesday friend, i am very excited to listen to this!

This is just awful!! Poor babies! Bless their little hearts and souls!!

My husband’s kids mother has done so much drugs and inhaled bug spray that she is now messed up in the head. She sees things and talks out of her mind even when she is sober. She has been arrested so many times also broken into people’s homes but they let her out because they don’t want to deal with her.

I keep getting side tracked and have had to watch this one 6 times lol you're welcome 😊 😂

She lived at the same apartment complex as me, Summit at Paradise Valley. It was so sad, they had to take the girls through the living room window, it was awful. And BTW the office was always closed on Sundays.

The title made me so angry but when you hear her story she was clearly so very ill. I love your work but I think the title is unfair and should be reworded, she is mentally ill not a sadisitic killer.

This is absolutely insane. It was completely obvious that she was in a dangerous state of mind. Out of all the people she talked to, no one actually helped her. The kids could have been saved had someone intervened 😢

I can’t imagine being those girls. I have twins and my sister has twins. Mine are boys and hers are girls. What makes this recipe for disaster is Robert was gone and when ur not suffering delusions and other mental health issues twins are not easy. Boys or girls it’s a handful. It’s a lot of energy and arguing and laughing, playing, excitement. Her being alone with the kids in her mental state I just can’t imagine this whole thing. And what’s sad is she did reach out for help even though it wasn’t making sense to anyone. She was telling them someone needed to get the girls. This is just so sad.

Please be kind to mothers and fathers, when you see them out and about with screaming kids, misbehaving kids, looking exhausted... Instead of judging be nice and try helping your loved ones aa much as possible. They say it takes a village for a reason. Mental health is so important and situations like these can be avoided if someone pays attention. Absolutely heartbreaking. 💔😭

Drugs can absolutely cause psychotic breaks for what it’s worth. Even if she was only using once a week. You can use enough in one day to keep you up for days. Unfortunately I know from personal experience…long before I had kids. Haven’t touched those drugs in many many years and never will. My kids are too precious. Such a sad and tragic story.

Yesss, an upload on my birthday! 🙌🏻

How sad and tragic 😢

May it be, that, if one is not willing or able to pay for psychiatric and pharmacological help, there is nothing to do but hoping that no one get hurt?

This time I blame the family and DFS!!! They should have gotten her help!!! Everyone failed all 3 of them!!!

I would like to share that I was mind blowing to get an adult diagnosis of ADHD finally, but not the diagnosis as much as learning that the massive depressive disorder I have fought my entire life was actually a symptom of the ADHD.

I always wondered why these other addicts can let themselves get this bad. I have 3 years, 6 months and 26 days clean. I was addicted to meth when I was 15 too. And guess what I did? I told my dad that I was going to die if I didn’t get help. This time? It took losing my kids for 5 months to get clean. If I can stop myself from getting that bad on meth… why can’t they? Soooooo sad. My heart breaks for those 2 girls. And my heart breaks for the mom too. I wish she could’ve gotten clean. But those girls… ugh. So sad. Sad. Sad. Sad.

I’m with you Rachel…. Because someone is using drugs or has a mental disorder DOES Not mean you should not be held responsible. She chopped up her children… how could she EVER be considered safe out in the public. So she snaps again and takes another life. Why don’t these people give them up to the care of people that love them. They couldn’t even run from her… those poor babies must have been absolutely TERRIFIED! BESIDES having to watch each other being attacked, the pain and fear they must have endured… heart breaking!!! :…(

The paternal grandmother talked about taking custody. Perhaps she was afraid she'd lose her kids for good if she left them there. I don't know why US has the insanity defence when it's always he rejected. This woman had very clearly lost her mind and no one stepped up to really help her

MAN ,, I Dont know what to make of this one ,, if she just wanted to be free of the kids why n earth would she kill them and herself in such an unbelieveably long drawn out and painful way ,, she could have just shot them and herself ,, and the fact that she thought she was going to burn all the evidence , doesent make sence why shed Buther herself and more importantly those two little angels ,, youd HAVE To be totally out of your mind with paranoia and delusional with fear and dread ,, to commit such a horiffic act ,, and the fact that she wasent under the influence at the time not even alchohol , ive had issues with addiction in the past and to not have drugs in your system means she hadent done any for at least FOUR Days ,, im really torn on this one Rachie ...

Totally agreed in all other cases of murder the defendant should serve serious jail time only in self-defense when you murder someone without any other reason than you have to take a life to save yourself or others that moment you snap and are forced into a situation “temporary insanity”

I'm so glad you said that about drugs and alcohol being a factor and killing you're right it doesn't matter if they're on them or not they still took a life

Thank you for sharing!

i don’t know. i can’t help but feel for monica; even she has never had a proper chance in life by being addicted to drugs since the age of 12. she shouldn’t have been allowed to care for her children, they should’ve been given to the father or someone else. it’s just so tragic. she needs help, not LWOP but that’s just my opinion. may the girls rest in peace 🕊️

This is what happens when mental health is ignored by services that are there to supposedly help them! Going undiagnosed or misdiagnosed for most of your life can be detrimental. I would say the family/friends who saw what was happening and didn't nothing are more to blame than the mother. They were all of sound mind and sat back and let this happen. The mother clearly wasn't. Everyone who did nothing should be locked up. RIP babies 😢

I DO understand that although the insanity plee doesn't usually apply or work, it is tried WAY TOO often!!! However, I don't understand how it is often dismissed when there is one time of rationality!!! My thoughts are.....there was a time a few years back that I was was severely depressed and often had suicidal thoughts!!! The fact that I am texting I didn't commit to harming myself!!!! However that doesn't mean I wasn't suicidal and depressed!!!! That woman did many things that seemed to fit thei diagnosis of insanity!!???

You were at CrimeCon?! I’m so sad I’m just finding this out! I was there!

She was obviously struggling with mental health and experiencing psychosis and delusions. Where was the father throughout her struggle? He managed to turn up at court to talk about his loss. Where was he when she was very clearly struggling? This woman needed help and support.

She’s guilty. You can’t simultaneously be too crazy to know it’s wrong to kill your kids and know you need to act normal with your man so he doesn’t know you’re planning murder/suicide Mental health definitely played in, but she wasn’t legally insane

This is beyond comprehension. She obviously was a very sick person. Her children should have never been unsupervised with just her. Years of sickness, she definitely snapped. Should have never even been given the chance to reproduce.

as a mother who has bdd, i am mortified there were so many people witness to her disorder(s) and did nothing to help those girls. she clearly was overwhelmed by her own thoughts and being a mother on top of that. everyone couldve offered to help, but no one took any action. thats a problem in itself. i know the ppl around her have heard stories like this and they shoudlve stepped in before it got to this point. now as far as the mother goes, she should have seeked help from a trusted person, instead of going thru these measures. she was not completely out of her mind every single day and one of those days she couldve called somene and said she couldnt do it anymore no matter how loud the cry for help was. there had to be moments where she knew was she was doing especially since she planned these murders. she shouldve saw her babies and wanted better for them instead of taking them down to "protect" them. again i suffer from bipolar depression disorder, and i couldnt imagine killing my babies to "save" them when they have others that will love and care for them. she doesnt need to be let out or released. life is what she deserves, during that sentence she should be getting treated as well so she can come to her right mind and understand what she did couldve been prevented and handled another way.

Half way thru the video and I realized this happened in my hometown 😀 I looked it up… I had friends who lived in that complex wait