MotoAmerica Mission King of the Baggers Race 1 at Road America 2023 

no worse than these .. I'd like to see a litre street bike against these.. since they can't compete against actual MotoGP bikes

I love it when people take something that’s not supposed to go fast, and they figure out how to make it RIP!!

It makes all the sense in the world 🌎

Much appreciated!

Bruh, I believe the Indian is water cooled, so there has to some concessions. Every racing org. all the way down thru the amateur racing ranks makes these distinctions and has balancing techno.....oh, and p.s. the Indian also has a four valve per cylinder heads....and then there's the acknowledgement that this is an entertainment industry. No one wants to see one manufacturer run away with everything....that gets boring and doesn't sell tickets. You need rivalry, tension and something to bitch about, lol.

The Indian is supercharged, fyi...

@@raynic1173- For Harley to win, competitors must be handicapped just like in the sixties; got it.

@@raynic1173 All true.

BTW there is a 112 big bore fore the challengers now... what HD gunna do about that?

Welcome to the show!

@@MotoAmerica thank you! Loved it so much I bought the HD VIP tickets to go in September. Can't wait to see it in person.

Actually yes he has.

Not a harley its handmade. Its a full race bike with a faring and two bags slapped on it. 😂😂😂😂😂

Indian has the challenger listed on their website. $92k if i remember correctly.

​@@r.l.mashburn4851and still not able to run with Japanese

FYI, it was his knee in the dust, not his elbow and it wasn't intentional.....but yes great racing....

Yeah, too bad they limited the Indian machines both in revs and in removing material from the crankshaft. Otherwise it would be a different story, like years past. When Harley can't win, they lobby for rule changes to give them the advantage. Typical spoiled brats gotta get their way... sad really.

16:18, it was his knee....also, something to think about, AKA critical thinking. These bikes do not have racing style 'clip-on" handle bars. Their mount is above the triple tree, which places the hands and arms much higher than normal race bikes. If you can catch a pause at any apex like 15:56 (paused) when the rider has a knee on the ground the elbow will be at least 9-10 inches above the pavement. It's just an ergonomics thing.....

You know the race bike is far from stock right?

@@justethanol of course I know the racing Road Glides are not stock I’m not stupid.

No they don’t! Not at all. Good racing, but don’t lie!!

They can’t run as many laps, for a reason,

Harley lobbied MotoAmerica and had the Indian bikes restricted to 7700rpm, used to be 8k rpm. They also no longer allow team Indian to remove excess weight from the crankshaft. Harley-Davidson also decided to break the MotoAmerica rules and add their liquid-cooled heads to their factory race team bikes, even though they already have a displacement advantage over Indian.

I think that was Terry Vance, lol

Somehow they should, cause they both need to have these baggers as sports class, cause we do like us some speed.

They lobbied MotoAmerica to have Indian restricted in rpm to 7700 instead of the 8k rpm they used to rev to. And they also no longer allow Indian to remove weight from their crankshafts. When they can't win a race fair, they get the rules changed in their favor. This is nothing new for HD, they used the same tactic through the 60's and 70's. Also, HD broke the MotoAmerica rules by adding liquid-cooled heads to their factory team race bikes.

@@UnrulyRider Imagine that. This is how you end up ruining a new racing series. Make rules to favor one brand over the other. Even up the engine sizes. A 17% advantage in Cubic Inch to HDs favor is totally unfair with HD using liquid cooled heads. I guess this is another racing series I will stop watching. No point when you know the cards are stacked against one brand (Indian). If MotoAmerica wanted to make it fair and a GOOD racing series they would Allow HD to have no more than 117 ci with water cooled heads and then allow Indian to match the cubic inches. Both should be able to take weigh off of their crankshafts and have no rev limitations. All naturally aspirated. Let the best design win and then the customers end up getting better bikes in the end. All this from a guy that owns a HD for 17 years. This kind of stuff convinces me more to buy an Indian the next time. HD is a bunch of winey under producing cry baby engineers.

And lightened crankshafts... Harley lobbied to have the rules changed to give them the upper hand. HD also put liquid cooled heads on their bikes, another rule broken as they were not supposed to be liquid cooled at their engine displacement advantage of 131ci vs Indian's 112ci.

They're closer than you think. Couple races ago they reported a 1/2 second difference and the baggers are 620 lbs

@@Mainecat21 1/2 second??? Nope. Seconds yes. Not even close!! Nice try though!!!

@@Mainecat21 if there that close? Why is there a completely different race??? Completely different class?? Your reply is nonsense!!! Please try and keep up!!

@@metalted6128 Dunno, go ask the commentator who reported it 2 races ago. I watched all the bagger races last year and this year and pass along what I hear. Me keep up... sounds like this is the first bagger race you've watched mr. nonsense

with how stable the Challengers were in this race, It seems they are. Those challengers have been so wiggly these past years, and this race they look vastly more stable than ever before. Indian is trying real hard to step it up. But SE HD and Kyle are absolutely next level.

Harley lobbied to have the rules changed to give them the upper hand. They had Indian bikes limited to 7700rpm (a 300rpm reduction, used to be limited to 8k), and they also no longer allow Indian to remove weight from their crankshafts. HD also put liquid cooled heads on their bikes, another rule broken as they were not supposed to be liquid cooled at their engine displacement advantage of 131ci vs Indian's 112ci. Typical of Harley-Davidson, as they did the same rule changing tactics in the 60's and 70's.

@@UnrulyRider oh shit I didn’t know. Lol that’s funny

Harley Davidson lobbied MotoAmerica to have Indian restricted in rpm to 7700 instead of the 8k rpm they used to rev to. And they also no longer allow Indian to remove weight from their crankshafts. When they can't win a race fair, they get the rules changed in their favor. This is nothing new for HD, they used the same tactic through the 60's and 70's. Also, HD broke the MotoAmerica rules by adding liquid-cooled heads to their factory team race bikes. You should learn the facts before opening your fat mouth.

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