I am not ,i just explained the jist of his channel. His channel particularly dispels the myth about bikers being adrinaline junkies who barely passed highschool
I both agree it could have been phrased in a softer way, and with your comment. I’m a pristine baby driver with my first bike, and my first crash, and during licence course and exams this channel became my favourite Moto-related. Does it attract veterans ? I don’t know ! Does it speak to baby-bikers/engineers ? Absolutely !
I was a bike messenger in SF a few years ago. Did a delivery to Skully and was shocked and how massive their place was. Great big warehouse that was nearly empty except for two rows of desks of computers. Forget paying for the owners apartment, they couldnt afford their massive waterfront warehouse
@@AlexanderNashhe's saying that Twitter was wasting a lot of money on shit they didn't need. Only difference is Twitter was able to stay afloat while skully went bankrupt
@@AlexanderNash It was failing before, and it is still failing, but at least Twitter is not throwing money down the toilet like it was before. Imagine being that easily triggered.
I'm not into motorcycles, helmets, smart-anything, and I don't know why this video popped into my feed, but boy am I glad it did! You're such a great storyteller/presenter, with great editing, that you managed to keep me glued to the screen, watching something I have no real interest in. That's amazing.
I've got a Forcite MK1S. I live in Sydney not far from the company, and have gone to many of their events over the years before they started production. So I had a fair bit of confidence before shelling out the cash, and I don't regret it. It's a nice riding experience. The info it gives you is just enough to be useful, not too much to be distracting and gimmicky. And even if you don't turn any of the "smart" bits on, you still have a lightweight, comfortable helmet.
A helmet that in the mark 1 gave the majority of owners severe headaches because the helmets don't fit well and cause massive wind noise going over 60km/h and with such terrible speakers that when people replaced them with actually well made speakers then turned on said customers and denied them warranty on helmets for things that weren't related. They lied about when the helmets were being made and then kept changing the designs but sold the product initially as a finished prototype. Don't buy forcite it's all fluff and the current buyers are nothing but guinea pigs to get to final product that might actually be worth the money they keep asking.
@@warmage247 My experience with them has been great, as has that of most other owners I know. Fits great, sounds great, wind noise is decent and product was delivered in the promised time frame with very responsive customer support for any enquiries. If you had a bad experience with them, sorry to hear it, but I'll advocate for them all day long until I have reason not to.
@@warmage247 I know what you mean. I first heard of them when they were trying the angle of a ‘radar detector in your helmet’ and instantly thought “but wouldn’t it take the cops all of 30 seconds to realise they could just give everyone with a forcite helmet a ticket for using a radar detector?” And forgot about them. Then when I went to mention it to someone else a few months later, they’d pivoted the whole thing, and now I see they’ve changed everything again. To me they’re very very startup, and the jury is still out on whether they’re the kind in it for the long haul working through teething problems, or whether they’re just the get investors money and cash out kind
@@Bobby-wn5yr What cops are in your area that can ID a helmet at 60mph? Cops here couldn't tell me what bike I'm on, let alone the helmet. The only scenarios where this plays out is they've already pulled you over, you're sitting beside them in traffic, or they ticket you after you've stopped. The Forcite is not nearly distinct enough to be recognizable in 99% of situations, and that assumes the cop even remembers this is a thing.
@@Gunks_ traffic cops know all the popular bikes … traffic enforcement is their business? As for helmets, if I can tell what helmet the guy infront has, so can cops, and as I say it isn’t going to take long to start enforcing if one brand has a radar detector in it lol, so that’s all just BS really. It’s the kind of thing bikers tell each other ‘ah you’ll be fine cops know nothing about bikes’. It isn’t true but we wish it were some times. Maybe where you are you’ve just got those slow thick cops from the movies that just eat donuts and hate lefties, but here in Aus… yeah you’re not gonna get away with it for long if there’s actual radar detectors in the helmet. Not to mention the cop cars have radar detector-detectors. Probably why that all went away in favour of the actually legal google maps option. But yeah of course traffic stops. You know.. like they do all the time. Booze bus, speed traps… I mean.. hoping not to get traffic stopped is fine on a short run, not a way to live lol, that how you end up one of those dickheads with suspension after suspension after suspension.
@@raven4k998 True. Motorcycle is a whole different beast to a fighter jet and HUD helmet, although very useful and perhaps even necessary to fighter pilots who have enough time to process that information, is extremely distracting to motorcycle riders who have seconds to make their decisions in traffic surrounded by dozens of objects both moving and stationary at any given time.
@@sephrosemary 100ms or less? 🤣 Who told you that crap? And why the hell do you believe it? Are you 12? Tbh sounds like you are... at least gullible like one. First of all, humans are not even capable of processing information and reacting to it that fast, they're not computers. It's actually somewhere between 200ms and 300ms and that's if they know what they're doing or looking at. Simple and unavoidable fact. Btw we're not talking about muscle memory here, we're talking about HUD information that needs to be understood and processed first. Second, no one in their right mind would put $120+ million aircraft into situations where 100ms decide whether a mission is successful or not, potentially risking losing that aircraft. Regardless of what you've seen in Top Gun. So enough with the kindergarten nonsense, will ya? I've just had my breakfast, I'd like to keep it down. 🤣
Before you showed the forcite helmet I was thinking EXACTLY that solution. A peripheral vision based non-blinding "marker" of somekind that just makes you aware of things without being distracting. There's also another serious problem with look-through HUDs and augmented reality that few people outside of niche researchers and bleeding edge gamers are aware of: Simsickness. Building something that your eye can look *through* and cleanly see the world properly is very hard to do, and the slightest miscalculation will lead to migraines and nausea at best.
I lately had the idea of a HUD helmet with rear camera because it's something i desperatly need for higher speeds. I can't see my mirrors anymore when I lay down on my bike and I certainly don't want to put my life into a green LED bar showing me that there isn't a car behind me before a lane change. That is an absolute no go. I have no possibility to be sure the thing is working or just pointing the wrong angle or something. No way to check for a false positive while with a camera view I can atleast see when the system has a problem. It's sad to hear that no manufacturer made it work but it is by no means a non existant problem.
The reason the fighter jet HUD requires so much more, is because it matches the view to the environment. Of course, the HTC Vive does a similar kind of coordination between real world and HUD, for less, but my point is that motorcycle helmets don't need to do that in order to make a projection work.
We also have to be completely honest here and say part of why it costs that is a healthy amount of contractor based government gouging. It's also filled with bugs and kinda sucks and this is based on a 2021 report from the airforce that said it found OVER 100 "Mission critical" software bugs in the helmet HUD alone. Not a great track record.
I definitely want to buy a motorcycle sometime in my life, but I'm waiting until actually practical and affordable HUD helmets are available. The whole thing about motorcycles in my opinion is to be as cool as possible, and what could be cooler than having all your instruments and useful information on a heads up display in a helmet?
@@makVBScrew I think your talking to a videogame playing 10 year old or someone with autism, obviously clueless but hopefully they will get it eventually.
Love how every concern with buying a smart helmet was brought up, which would primarily be everything that the manufacturer doesn’t put in the user manual or in the sales pitch. It was a good informative video and I enjoyed it
Great video, I bought a founders edition Forcite Helmet and then bought the new MK1. Huge supporter of this company and now would not wear any other helmet. I thought going from an open face to a full face would be awful, not so, the vision is great with this helmet, it's also comfortable and super light. The camera footage for me is on point. My husband also has a Forcite Helmet and was side swiped by a car on a freeway doing 100km, the footage was given to the insurance company and it showed the car driver at fault. So no black mark against his name and they paid out on the claim. Good outcome as the bike was brand new. Love all the tech this Helmet has and to make things even better, Forcites after sales and customer service is like nothing I have ever experienced, they do this weird thing where when you contact them they actually respond and genuinely want to solve any issues you may have they have nailed it. They are also interested in customer feedback, you talk, they listen. Super proud to be part of the Forcite journey and seeing other riders buying and enjoying this fantastic product.
Don't buy forcite. Company ceo has a criminal history and the company is honestly full of fluff. You'll see a lot of reviews with happy mk1 helmets but everyone who got scammed by the founders edition and terrible it is are generally silenced. They denied customers warranty on helmets because they changed the terrible speakers on them.. Not to mention the terrible headache users were given from the helmets well documented wind noise caused by bad fitting. The forcite helmet is a product in testing. You're a guinea pig to them and paying double what the helmet is worth. Till they make a final and probably not awful product. Forcite are happy to oblige customers if you tow their propaganda. If you have a problem with their product they don't want to hear it and fob you off. I got to wear my founders edition once and realised I made a huge mistake. Despite waiting two years after the promised date when asked for refund due to many issues and wrong size given they denied refund because I had ordered it so long ago. Yet I had only owned it for 2 weeks when I asked for refund.
I used to fly Apache helicopters and we had a Helmet Display Unit (HDU) that attached to the side of the helmet and then we could rotate the display in front of our right eye. The main purpose was to provide a FLIR image that we could look through. It was difficult to get used to, but after awhile, it worked very well. We could also project flight symbology and weapons symbology onto the reticle and during the day we would just use the symbology. An unauthorized, but often used method at night was to use the FLIR image on the right eye while wearing NVGs that covered both eyes. The right eye would only see the FLIR image even though the NVG was also there, and the left eye would see the NVG image.
I came here expecting a video teaching me about motorcycle helmets. What I didn't expect was to also learn about manufacturing, marketing, business, electronics, and how to integrate a sponsorship message. Fortnine is a master class on how to do a RU-vid channel properly.
Godzilla! I have a hard enough time diverting attention to the Garmin; I'm certainly not interested in being flooded with yet even more information while trying to enjoy my ride. Thanks for the MBA-level short course on business finance as well. Another winning submission from the team @ F9!
He never talked about the SENA on his table. I bought one (I think I paid $800) and it bricked itself on the first update and because customer support took so long I almost missed my return window.
If they only didn’t start those insufferably cheap cash grab sponsoring segments. FortNine became a class for itself, just to adopt annoying “average joe youtuber” habits eventually.
@@rajkishore95 to the obviously uninformed (aka “you”): FortNine is a huge Canadian motorcycle online shop. This channel was a mere PR stunt to attract customers to their and their partner’s shops… but boy-o-boy with some of the finest content ever uploaded to YT. It would be a shame if they had to resort to the same shameless cashgrabbing sponsoring as all the nobody’s and has-beens out there. THAT is why I critizise their sudden swap to cheesy sponsoring segments. FortNine is BETTER than that, at least it used to be. Edit: Just to annoy your condenscending little attitude a little more: Ryan is not the owner of the FortNine YT channel, let alone the owner of FortNine. He and his superb filming crew merely work at FortNine. Ah, and yeah, grow up :-b
@@rajkishore95 yet again you are unaware of basic facts: Nothing is free, and YT isn’t “free” just because it’s simply there to use. You either have to endure an increasing amount and duration of unskippable YT ads (where F9 is thankfully still applying the minimal setting it seems) - or - you have to pay an ungodly amount of monthly “Premium” extortion money to be somewhat ad-free… only to be urged to watch commercial segments as embedded sponsoring yet AGAIN. If this continues, I will unsubscribe and block the channel. It’s a matter of principle. Edit: FortNine used to be just an obscure and cool channel. But with the fame came the money, with the money came the greed, with the greed came the inflated ego. Usually a clear red flag that one has reached creative pinnacle
Apologies if someone already mentioned this, but the Forcite is not shipping to USA/Canada until 2023. The other thing I noticed is that while they have quality speakers, I don't see an option to plug in in-ear monitors. Maybe I missed it. I know lots of ADV and touring riders who prefer that because of the improved hearing protection.
I agree with Socrates, I am always surprised by how many things there are that I do not need. Massive props to Ryan and the F9 team for reviewing them though 🙂
I preordered the Skully (Not via Crowdfunding campaign), at least they had the decency to write a mail they went under. After that Skully was purchased by spanish motorcycle moguls. They just disappeared, without saying a word. Got my 1899$ chardged back via Mastercard.
I feel like you could make the smart helmet thing work if you could run a wire down your back and plug into your battery, and somehow mount the projector on the inside of the helmet so that it shines onto the back of the sunshield. That way it could work night and day and you could remove the weight of the battery.
@@salsamancer F* the smartphone industry for setting this precedent but I hate that we're not even thinking of removable and externally-chargeable batteries like it's not an option.
No. God No. I do not want ot be fiddling with cables running down my back. The Forceite helmet is no bother to charge, it just goes on its charger at the end of a ride, like I would with my phone at the end of the day.
In the early 2000s I met a fellow 919 rider who had crafted a fairing from a jet plane's nose cone and had invented his own heads up display in the early days of Bluetooth.
Adding the camera, microphone and speakers into the helmet is good. An external battery pack to power it through a cable so the helmet stays fairly light weight would be best. Alternatively, I'd design a slightly cheaper helmet that doesn't have anything built in, but is designed to incorporate what you already own, such as a gopro or sena. The camera location and obvious position of the sena wouldn't be different, but you'd get the quality of a stabilized camera and known communication device.
Force helmets are made in Australia, they offer a fix where if you crash and damage the helmet they can remove the electronics and put them into your new helmet, as they say the electronics are the expensive part of the purchase.Not a bad price when you consider a carbon lid purchase without the electronics and then add them individually, intercom, camera, speakers.....
The only situation in which I understand a backup camera is when it’s at wheel level (not attached to your head) such that you can see a hazard behind your bike while backing it up. This of course only applies to huge touring bikes with big hard cases and extra wide seats. The kind that have a reverse gear because they are too massive to push.
As a developer I don't like any of those. Skully and Nuviz (or Dvision) aren't HUDs, they're tiny monitors. Skully and Foresight are bound to shell and software. If you want a truly great experience use standards and let people innovate over it. Imagine a tiny (about ¼ of GoPro) camera unit that mounts inside your helmet near the upper edge of your visor by sticking a piece between your shell and its foam just in your natural blind spot. Then imagine it displays a monochromatic image straight on your visor - no monitors, just laser. It doesn't contain a battery because it's powered externally by any USB-C cable so you can stick a power bank in your pocket or to the back of your helmet and just connect it with a thin hidden cable, or even connect it directly to your motorcycle battery if you don't mind a tether. You calibrate it by adjusting markers on your visor to match what's on your phone screen. Then imagine its stupid. Its only functionality is to track objects in front of you, pair with your phone and display whatever the phone tells it to. The phone app doesn't provide much functionality either - it can do just 3 things: 1. calibrate the device, 2. pass the image objects tracking image, 3. tell the device to copy whatever's on your phone screen in horizontal position, put it through a filter and display it on your visor. Your phone does everything. You want Google Maps? The app passes it through filter to make it monochromatic and ignore some clutter and displays it over what you see on the road. You want your friends position? Waze + filter. Same goes for *any* app because you can easily write your own filters or download one made by the community. You want a lean angle, incline and speed? Yamaha MyRide + filter. Everything's controlled by voice commands because your phone already does that. It's not only cheap to make. It's limitless when it comes to extending the usability and opens a whole new market for an unmet before level of experience - anyone can release a dedicated app, anyone can release a dedicated gadget like maybe a handlebar mounted left and right proximity sensors that warn you when someone tries to change lane into you, and with nowadays Android capability to display over apps (think bubble heads, etc) why not extends existing apps, e.g. add your friends position to Google Maps, connect your phone to your motorcycle and add stuff like engine temperature, fuel economy or battery voltage. By making your phone the brain of the operation, using Bluetooth and external charging you make it so universal it will sell even with 300% fee over production cost and after a year or so when you get copycats you can still sell it for 200% and make decent profit. You don't need much development software-wise because it's open, people will develop for themselves. You can specialize in making perfect HUD and HUD only.
What about just wearing Nreal glasses and AirPod Pros with Comply ear tips while riding? I haven’t tried the Nreal glasses yet, but airpods (has to be the pro for the tips) are a million times better than any flagship Bluetooth for the same price. Maybe the solution isn’t trying to improve old technology, but just going with new technology.
Forcite looks cool. It seems like their focus is on safety with that camera, but if they stabilized it and maybe added features/marketing focused on people recording their rides for fun/memories/vlogging, they would probably own the world. I would certainly buy one. Built in bluetooth is my dream, but bluetooth with good noise cancelling is the ultimate dream.
Prefect timing for this video, Very well presented. I am in the market for a new lid and was just about to buy-in-to the marketing-wank of smart helmets. My first consideration is of course, will it keep my brain in my head.
I looked into the technology of real HUDs and decided that it's impossible to be able to buy it to upgrade a motorcycle helmet or car dash. The worlds are simply miles apart.
This is the kinda guy that won't tell you how to solve a problem, he'll just tell you what doesn't work. He's a problem identifier, not a problem solver.
I supported Eyeride head up display on kickstarter few years back. That was a valuable lesson, the product is absolute shit and broke down after less than a year...
"The tables with engine blocks are a nice touch, as are the beer gardens" LOL. The hallmarks of being impressed by trappings and not by products and actual business processes. Con jobs are in plain sight every day.
Man if I wasn't a ride or die fan of Shark's modular chinbar, that forcite would be looking miiiiighty tempting. I also forgot to get my motorcycle out of the garage at all this year. Shame on me
All I want is an integrated camera with image stabilization, noise cancelation, and blue tooth audio. Sena Momentum Pro is what I was after, but the image seems a bit jumpy.
Hi, never has Keep It Simple Stupid been more applicable 😁. Satnav directions thru speakers connected to my phone is the pinnacle of usefulness so far for me. It is loud enough and not distorted and overcomes the issues of a console mounted GPS, distortion, bright light obscuring screen, rain distorting screen, dust obscuring the screen. You get the picture and don’t even mention audio instructions.
If you want to have a HUD without fighting the Sun, easier approach than overpowering the sun is to use electronic ND to dim the sun during day rides. Or more low-tech approach: a black visor over the normal visor. So at some design costs the HUD ought to be possible. But maybe expect a good product to be expensive and don’t waste money on it before there are positive independent reviews.
Please also remember different helmet manufacturers FIT differently! You might be a Medium in a Bell & a Large in Shoei. That's because they have to take the dimensions of everyone's head and average that out for the best fit. So, if you're ordering your helmet online, BE SURE TO CHECK THE COMPANY'S RETURN POLICY should the helmet not fit you correctly.
I have a Nuviz and loved it. Can’t get parts for it or get rid of my iPhone 11 because it still has the nuviz appp…. But it’s great for navigating… assuming I’ve already downloaded a map….
my C4 Schuberth helmet got radio, phone and satnav, i even can connect my ham radio to it....and i use nothing of it, some times the satnav, but most times i just drive with my HJC helmets! my Schuberth is only for the summer tour, where you have rain, i use my HJC bright green, and at home my black HJC!
Not going to lie, i would like the rear view camera option, but maybe not the one sticking out and dont have battery in the helmet it self cause litium fire in you head is not nice. Ether take power from the bike, or battery in your frontpocket instead, with small capacitor bank to enable switching easily on the go.
A bit misleading. The Forcite helmet does not have a hud. As a person who has used several prototypes, augmented reality HUDs are clearly the future but as you pointed out, getting there is extremely expensive.
Thank you for your professional review. I've been exploring motorcycle hud products, skully, Nuviz, Eyelights, Crosshelmet, etc... I don't think any of these products really do heads-up display, more like car play.
I have to thank Skully though. I looked over thet inital design and said "I'll wait for v2.0" that never came. Now if it sounds too good for a first offering, I say I'll wait for V3.0
Thanks, I thought so. My friends that own them are so smug lol. They remind me of the early Toyota prieus owners on the South Park cartoon. I’ve always used Bell except that one Aria (cuz I like Jay Lenno) but Bell’s race star is fine.
I don't think it's fair to state that smart helmets are stupid. It's the current implementation that sucks. But as a concept, it's the future of helmets (in a 15-20 year horizon).
There's also the "new" hud systems in ski and snowboard goggles that are being looked at, as well as OLED transparent displays, unfortunately they're almost all being ran by tech bros so we know how it's going to turn out.
I don't ride, but I always thought a HUD, even on a car windscreen, would unavoidably cause nothing but permanent distraction. You can't choose to look away from it, whereas you can choose to look at instruments. Thanks for another ace vid dude 👍👍👍. 😎
A friend of mine has a new Chevy pickup with a HUD. It appears about 6" in front of the bottom of the windshield, superseding the hood. It doesn't get in the way but it's right at the edge of your vision and is (IMHO) much faster to reference than the actual gauges. Edit: I can't spell. Guages lol.
My wife has a Neotec 2 that fits her XS size head comfortably and she's happy. Think we paid $650 for the first and found a sale for $550 for her spare. Very happy. As for me I don't need a smart helmet. Seems unnecessary.
I'll take my $160 HJC and Cardo. But am I glad to hear about the American Optical sunglasses!! Finally someone actually understands why most sunglasses are POS for bikers. Another awesome vid.
I am excited for ten years down the line when these are actually worth it and significantly improve rider safety. If a company is able to successfully integrate self driving AI that informs the rider of any unseen obstacles around then would be incredible.
To be fair we do have the technology to put HUDs in everything the real issue is that why would we put a HUD in a Helmet sure the army probably has them but that's probably top grade secret stuff it will be a few decades at best till it's comercially available
I almost ordered a HUD helmet and finally decided I wasn’t a skilled enough rider to handle all that input without dying. I’ve never been happier to not be good at something.
@Thomas B LOL. I’ve been riding for ten years. I’m just afraid all the HUD would be too much distraction from the road and surroundings. Built-in Bluetooth is more than enough for me. But, thank you, anyway! 😊
@@SimonWoodburyForget you don't need the ability to turn off your com system immediately, you need the ability to tune it out and focus on what your doing, in a emergency situation where you need full focus you won't have the time to pause your music with any system, so learn to tune it out or keep it off, the first time I rode in the rain I was a hour away from home and because of me focusing I forgot my music was even on until I got home.
exactly, sometimes you have just enough time to percieve and react to a threat but only barely. It takes at least .5 of a second to even process the data and be able to react.
This dude is always making videos about things I'll never buy and I watch it every time because it's just so damn well made and informative. Never stop neverstopping Ryan.
Great that you enjoy this quality content. I do ride motorcycles and I have bought several things because he recommends them. But I agree that I watch all his videos regardless.
Yep, me again. Couldn't resist making a comment about this little gem that I found on their website. "Riding a motorcycle is a visceral, tactile, cognitive rich experience. As a rider, when you earn the trust and respect of your motorcycle and vice versa, it becomes an extension of your senses, and seemingly your very being." I can definitely state, sadly, that I have never earned the trust or respect of my motorcycle. In fact, despite our many years together I still find it hiding in the corner, shaking with fear, and have to gently coax it with premium grade oil out of the garage before it will allow me to ride. Before anyone asks, no, I have never abused my bike. But I bought it second hand, so who knows what horrors it may have endured at the hands of its first owner. With this in mind, I have arranged for us to see a Suzuki certified therapist. Hopefully, it will prove successful, and neither of us will have to be put down.
I had the initial pleasure and then disappointment of owning Nuviz. Despite being bulky and noisy, it actually worked. It's customer service also worked as I was a to get a replacement after first one stopped working in the rain. It had cold weather issues and the stupid battery door was a pain. But customer service handled issues. The device worked and worked great. The thumb controller provided hands on the bar control without the need to play around with device itself while riding. Fast forward to company failing to secure distribution of units, running out of money and well closing doors. The device continued to work though, issues and all. Until something weird happen and Nuviz would display update required and try to call the mothers hip. As it turns out Nuviz used a proprietary mapping software and when hard programmed license code expired, boom it went. Because of the way it was built, expired license would prevent entire startup rendering all of its features useless.
@@vironpayne3405 Most software is going that route, not just Microsoft. It's BS, but all you can really do is try to stick to open-source programs where you can.
