Really helpful vid if people are unsure of exactly how to adjust their settings, but not necessarily how to find those settings for yourself. Would love a video of Liam doing the tests on his trail with his notepad and explaining what too much compression feels like etc
Unless you set up your suspension, have notes on your settings, than just happen to restore those. Would have been better if he over/ under pressurized and showed that process
Can you make a "addendum" for coil shocks like setting sag, and any other coil settings (I'm not sure if there are any others) also new setup is awesome
Super helpful! Can't wait to see Liam's deeper dive on suspension setups! My first dual sus trail bike is coming soon and this topic is totally high on my list of stuff I need to learn! Great vid!
EVOL DPS: impossible to disconnect shock pump without loosing lots of air, 15-25PSI...on 2 diff. pumps, one having "no leak " valve. I am starting to think shock valve is shot. Thoughts ?
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I've seen some recommend setting sag in a standing or "attack" position vs sitting. Why do you guys recommend sitting? Does either one make much of a difference?
@@UltimateMTB I agree the weight is still the same, but depending on your position on the bike it will change whether your weight is favored more towards the front vs the rear. Your fork sag will be different standing vs sitting at the same pressure.
Loved it... Note Pad 📝 is Key! Treat it like a suspension bible so whenever you move up or down you always know where you were coming from.. especially since trails and conditions change so frequently ✌🏼😎
Good video guys. I've had good success with this style of basic set up before on Lyriks. I am struggling now though. I have an Ohlins RXF 36 Evo and I just can't seem to get it where I want. The Ohlins recommended settings are crazy hard and mean I am using maybe 60% travel, even on pretty gnarly trails and feeling absolutely everything through my hands. I've got things a bit better now by reducing the pressure in the both chambers, but now I have a fork that still feels very firm and unreactive to trail chatter, whilst simultaneously using 90% of travel on almost any trail. Feeling pretty stuck!
Top video 🤘🏻 Little question with sag adjustments/measurements has the saddle to be in the lowest position (dropperpost) when sitting down as in the video?? Or in the riding position with the dropperpost at max height? Gr. Mischa
You guys should do a basic video on servicing forks and rear shocks. They all may be a bit different but kinda the overall philosophy behind what's going on for a basic lower leg/air can service. I need to do it lol.
It went together easily in less than an hour. ru-vid.comUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
great vid but confused about how much air you put in the fork as you said 83psi which equates on the Fox chart to a 91-95 kg rider? You look very slim - am i missing something? thanks
As a strong rider no way I am riding with 20% sag. I want to make use of my upper body strength and make sure that maximum energy gets dissipated in oil in compression damping! I want to be able to reach speeds on rocky descends at which only my upper body strength is holding me back !
Is it possible to remove shockers on my bike, and if so, will it break my bike if i remove the shockers? And if it doesn't break the bike, how can i exactly remove the shockers?
I’m still confused with the fork rebound - in the video you are turning counter clockwise (left) to close but it should be clockwise (right), so is this just a video error?
"First of all we'll show you how to set up rear sag" *Sits on bike to see what it's currently set at* "That's actually set correct so fuck you I'm not gonna show you how to set it" *Moves on* Great tutorial
Not sure why he sat down for the sag adjustment of the fork. It should be measured while standing in attack position in the bike. Pretty sure the fox rec is with standing
Is 15-20% sag on a fork just a Fox thing? And when did that start? I thought that the general rule-of-thumb of 30% goes for the fork too. Is it different for a Rockshox fork?
I have a Fox fork (Rhythm 34 Float) and the instructions on Fox's website recommend a 30% sag but I tried that and it bottoms out if I do that so I have mine somewhere around 18% - 20%.
So many questions that I've never seen a video for: I hope you can address these specifics: Given: I have 2019 Santa Cruz Bronson CC with a 2019 160mm Fox Performance fork and a 2021 Fox X2 rear 150mm for reference: 1) Is it me or does the bike feel amazing on one trail....and then the next weekend, a different trail yields a completely different (and shitty) feel. I don't get it. Am I imagining this? lol 2) The Owners manual for the Performance 36 fork says I need 72-76 psi for my total weight. I use 69 psi to attain a 20% sag, BUT when I ride ....i only use 55% of my total 160mm travel....and I am an aggressive rider. If I drop it to 62 psi, I get 70% travel usage but the fork feels nasty. I removed the one token, but didn't really feel a difference. Now what? 3) If the fork PSI recommendation of 72-76 is recommended, but I use less air to attain the recommended sag , would I need to decrease/increase the number of clicks for rebound to compensate for the difference in pressure? 4) Could you give very specifics on the feeling of the ride itself and what to do when a certain ride or "feel" or "symptom" is being experienced? Specifics are key. My problem is that I might say that the bike is very chattery for example...but knowing that, I don't know which knob to turn and which direction to turn it in order to solve the problem. lol Is there a specific way to know more details on how to address this? 5) My bike originally had a different shock. Now that I have this new shock, are the recommended setting adjustments the same for the shock regardless of the bike OR are there changes to the settings to compensate based on the type of bike you ride? 6) If I have never bottomed out my suspension...ever, could I do more sag for more comfort and do 32% rear and 22% front? If so, which direction would I adjust the settings to compensate for the lesser amount of air that I am using? 7) Since the Fox Performance fork is a GRIP (and not a GRIP 2), can I still create compression on the fork even though there is no dial for the fork? Thanks a million!!
I get excessive bottom outs on my rear shock on drops. I've put largest volume spacer, but it didn't really fix anything. No matter what sag, 30%, 25%, 20%, 15%. I still manage to fully blow travel. I'm pretty lightweight tho. Could it be that I need new shock? I ride Fox Float RP23 from 2010-11. 140mm rear travel.
I have always been a little confused on the X2 set up as I have one on my RM altitude C70 2018. I see that fox recommends 10-12 LSR for 150 PSI (for 2020), but you L Dawg says 14? can you explain? I know that is not a significant difference but I don't see the connection. Thanks!
Also, EVOL DPS 130mm, 0.6 volume spacer. I am getting up to 260PSI (with some leak on disconnect) before I bottom out on 2 foot drops. 200LBS weight. Does it sound like too much?
Does anybody else feel like fox's pressure recommendations in the fork are wayyy to high? Maybe it's just that I weigh 160, but I'm typically down around 50psi in my fork to get the right feel.
I have a 2020 factory 36 170mm. I have not liked it at any point. I have messed with all the settings and sag,spacers etc and it's just completely lifeless. It doesn't have any spring to it. There is a faint clicking noise in the fork when compressed. It's also sort of notchy in the travel. It sucks the energy out of my ride and is also harsh.
Very informative video well explained and made. I heard you mentioned that you base your initial setup from what is recommended by YETI and Fox. With that I tried to search one for my 2020 Nomad V4 with Fox X2 rear shock and Fox 36 Factory Series 170mm HSC/LSC/FIT but I can't seem to find one. Can you point me to the right direction or is there anything you can recommend? I'm weighing around 70kgs. Thank you in advance.
so is SAG only measured on the "external" part of the shaft? (what you can see and measure) as I understand part of the shaft is under the actual body of the shock. So as long as I measure that 30% only on that part I'm good? regardless of the make/model? thanks!
Dang a super wide scope of sag suggested there , sag makes a huge difference too , most seem to run between 25 to 30% . The recommendations in this video are a bit of an eye opener and shockwizz does not agree with imbalanced sag either but you cant please all the AI i guess , what have i been doing wrong my whole life?!? 27.5% both ends over in my garage plush and good for my casual rides
When do you know when to use the bike manufacturers specs and when to use the component's? I downloaded the Rockshox spec book for my fork and rear suspension and was intending to use that for all tune ups. Is it only the rear suspension sag that should follow the bike specs? Pick up my first full suspension in about a month, 2021 Commencal Meta TR, and really enjoying getting into the technical side already.
You could have covered shocks with two cans, like the Suntrour TriAir I have that I am completely clueless what and why to set the pressure of the "2ndary can" to.
