Lyes mourinho did not get sacked neither by inter nor real madrid. He left inter after winning the treble in 2010 after he got offered the madrid job. And he left real madrid after his contract ended in 2013.
@@LyesBouzidi big up lyes . Sds regularl viewer and a Liverpool fan . Seen your growth over a year . Really enjoyed your takes . Cams and guys like u should represent instead of liban . #SDS
You guys clearly haven't seen 1min of Roma play this season. His style HAS changed, he was playing mid-block 3-5-2 designed for Cristante, Paredes & Bove to control the midfield, they just had a lot of injuries. Jose was great in Rome, its just that the club spent only £20M the last 2 years £13M of that was used to facilitate Lukaku loan. Roma are under FFP ban & have no money due to the stadium project. Jose helped so many young players in Rome, Tahirovic, Gyan, Volpato, Pagano & more. Zalevski & Bove who were starting this season. The sad thing about the internet is that people give opinions without good information, knowledge of what happened or even watching the games. That is what has truly hurt his legacy. people are carrying on the same 10 year old narratives about a person who has changed. Please ask Roma fans who waited their entire lives to see a European Final, only to see 2 of them in the 2 years Jose was there. ask them about Jose's legacy.
Not to mention Spinazzola was one of the best LB when Jose joined just for him to injure his ACL during euros man. He was literally owning the whole left flank by himself.
cams is the only one that knows because he USED to hate on JOSE blindly until he actually did his research. the other two don't have the slightest clue.
@@dt7406Yes, Jose has been so unlucky with injuries during his Roma tenure. This Season alone. - Tammy out 8 months, - Smalling out 8 months, - Kumbulla out 8 months, - Dybala, Pellegrini & Aouar have missed 50% of the games with injury. - Sanches has played 2 hrs of football this year, been injured the rest of the time. ...Yet still 5 points away from Top 4.
@@workbookmark5662 I don't have a problem with them hating Jose's character coz it's not for everyone. 2 finals & a trophy in 2 years is phenomenal considering what he had to work with but 99% of the internet thinks he did a terrible job because of opinions like these. Its sad.
There’s a myth that people think kdb is just a 10 / ss, when pep guardiola from 2016 to 2021 never played with a 10… it was him Silva n fernandihno, kdb was doing the same jobs as Silva ( the same running games n dictating tempo that guys talk about) his skillset is why people think he’s the best ever midfielder. Based on pure ability he has everything Match winning Skills Passing shooting Dictating tempo Transition Also the discourse around him from pros is the same way the speak about other greats. Based on pure ability he’s truly unique.
Go look back at the 17-18 seasons, they were doing the same job. Kdb just gets the attacker status because of the assists. If he had less assists people would think he’s more of a midfielder which makes no sense
Finally we have a podcast with people who are not blinded by the stat/pace and power era of football. The best football podcast on youtube in terms of ball knowledge. nothing else comes close.
KDB is arguably best player in the history of the league let alone midfielder. Most talented/technical player, achievements, 8 years world class and over 5 years best in his position, best stats etc..
Literally, the best passer I’ve seen, both footed, can shoot or assist from anywhere. His technique, mentality and execution is all elite. He has always stood out in a team full of world class players and that says a lot.
@NavyaSagittarius what are you smoking? Ronaldo has 35 plus goal contributions playing as a traditional winger for 3 straight seasons winning 3PLs and 1 CL. Last PL player to win the Balon'd'Or and starts in the wing for most peoples and pandits all time PL 11.
one of those comments that lets you know when the person started watching the premier league. some people watched the barclays epl and watched world class footballers week in week out, and know KDB aint even in top 5 best players
The Gerrard shout was horrid from Cams. Gerrard could compete with the best in a lot of roles in midfield. Please stop the cap bro, he's defo in the conversation for best in the league. How are you getting criticism for excelling in every position and dragging an average team to consistently in Europe and showed up in a lot of finals. With the amount of top managers who would have paid anything to have in their team, your argument is disingenuous
@@jamesdunne3626 for how long? Max 3yrs and won a ucl a ucl final pl runner up (weren't even the 3rd best team on paper) fa cup when they were there 👏👏
We are losing recipe's. Gerrard is arguably the most complete midfielder England has produced. Hes as complete of a pure CM as they come. From the year 2000-2009 he was mustard. I would kindly remind the mandem the general standard for CMs in the past is to be as complete as possible. Why? because it was the 4-4-2 era. Hence Vieira's, ballacks, schweinsteiger, Keane,Scholes, Carrick, Modric, Platini,Matthaus ,Yaya, essien i could really go on. You had to had to be able to contribute on both ends of the field and have a good command of all the technical atributtes required. Additionaly you had to be talismanic and be the catalyst to the team winning when they need you most. Gerrard was that and more.
The insane part of KDB is that you could compare him against Lampard on his ability to score, he’s composed in the box like a striker… You could compare his passing to scholes, he can hit those quarter back passes from midfield and who can forget his best assist for me to sane against stoke… You could also compare him to gerrard on the ability to play as a proper cm, last 2 seasons he was the most hard working midfielder in the city team, to the extent that there were worries around miles in his legs… For me KDB is the clear number 1, I mean for him to be the best player in a stacked city team is insane, last person to do that was Messi next to players like Xavi, Iniesta …
Amazing video, my favourite Inside Scoop yet. The analysis on midfielders and the state of football and not focussing on numbers and stats was so good 👑
KDB vs Gerrard isn`t any debate, none of the PL midfield greats are anywhere close to as good as KDB, and Scholes is even closer to KDB then what Gerrard is.
This is an insane take. Not even a debate? I think Gerrard was the more complete player because he offered something at both ends of the pitch. However, I would never go as far as to say it's not a debate.
@@christopherhills1169 Gerrard is a massively overrated defender, while he was a decent defender, Liverpoool got way worse defensively when Xabi Alonso left(who is actually a defensive all time great in this game) While i would concede that Gerrard is a better defender then KDB, one is below average and Gerrard is above average, and in every offensive aspect of the game, KDB is way better then Gerrard.
@@thetruth4654 I respectfully disagree. While KDB is the more creative player, gerrard struck the ball just as well if not better. Gerrards strengths were his biggest issue. He excelled in every position he played in, meaning he would end up filling in all over the pitch for club and country. KDB has played in stacked teams for most of his career. I respect the opinion that KDB is better. I think gerrard is better. It's the no debate part I have an issue with.
I love how football fans try to stick up for the players like Gerrard that didn’t play in stacked teams. As if even getting into those types of teams are easy to get into🤦🏻♂️ KDB is one of City’s most important players, you don’t become the best of the best, in arguably the best team in history if you’re not an amazing player. But somehow KDB playing in a great side gets used against KDB🤣🤣🤣
Again, you have been sacked for at least every 3rd or second season so why should I give a shit about your circumstances if you can't make the Best out of it for a long period of time???
@@lancesebastian4989 Ancelloti got sacked by Madrid, PSG, Bayern, Napoli and was languishing 9th with Everton. Yet no one seems to give a huff about it
Out of all these football debates these are the best because they have an actual criteria which i think is best to categorize who was potentially the best. Stats dont tell the whole story.
Great show gents. Gerrard will always be considered one of the best despite accolades. The guy had such a diverse skill set that he can play 10 Dm RW and play it at an extremely high level. I agree comparing players on their pure positions would make sense. scholes should be compared to pirlo, xavi, modric, viera, kroos. But player for player, Gerrard takes it on ability across the field. De Bruyne is an excellent comparison as he has pretty much the same skill set and I'd say same style of play. That brother is threatening my goat😭
Don’t want you speaking on gerrard anymore 😂😂😂 he’s definitely in the conversation of being the best. You’re literally slating a players loyalty, you’re slating his versatility. He would go match for match against the elites no matter what position he was in. Cams talking about ucl final like gerrard didn’t score the goal to get us back into it, didn’t win the penalty etc. talking about not diminishing anything but you’re doing exactly that. There’s a reason sir Alex, jose etc wanted this guy. He was the best of the best and could do it all wether you like it or not
And also you’re saying this is how you feel on a player, you’re not going to feel on that with gerrard because you support United, you’ll always have that against him no matter what
ik im 10 days late but as a Spurs fan I want to say both Bale and Kane have carried the club completely on their own, Kane over the last few years at the club was keeping us from being mid table and the exact same can be said about Bale in 2012/13 which for me is one of the best ever prem seasons and arguably Bale's prime throughout his whole career because that Spurs side was horrible and would've finished low mid table without him, he won games on his own and had so much to his game and had us competing in the europa league which we could have won imo if it wasn't for his injury.
Man… I enjoyed this. Great episode. Another players effect on a team that can’t really be quantified is Bobby Firminho. I know many have tried but they don’t really know
Bro Cams I have been waiting for man to say this about Keane and Scholes. Thank you Keane was the best midfielder in that United team and it wasn’t close. Scholes has had the craziest revisionism.
pinero said they were miles away but used to bring up ole's 2nd place like a big achievement. so glad cam was on this show tonight.....these mans refuse to accept they're wrong about jose 😂😂😂😂😂
England have definitely produced players like Foden etc. Matt Le Tissier, Glen Hoddle, Paul Merson, Phil Beardsley this were top top players during their time and England didn't want or know how to use them.
Joses legacy can never be tarnished. He will go down as one of the best ever when its all said and done. UCL with Porto, treble with Inter (against a prime Barcelona), multiple leagues, he’s won the lot.
Cam, you're wrong about Gerrard playing in CM. I think its because you never saw enough of him. He was a CM who could play anywhere. He was coming up against Keane, Viera, etc all the time as a CM and was dominating. The PLAYERS themselves have told us how good he was.
Systems didn't "ruin" football. Systems are a logical tactical consequence of the fact that football is a _team sport_ with _twenty two_ players on a huge pitch. Of course tactical coordination will beat headless chickens - regardless how talented the chickens are. There's also no "Pepification". "A great general doesn't go into battle with the goal to win but first with the goal to make it impossible for the enemy to win" Sun Tsu said that thousands of years ago. Possession is the same concept. There's even a video of Pep and Magnus Carlsen talking about similarity in tactics between football and chess bc they both have the same fundamentals: use your pieces to control the field and set up plays If you consider the natural progression of football as "football is being ruined" there is a problem with your fundamental definition of football.
The way I look at it is if I were to ask you “who are the best midfielders in history” you’d say Iniesta, Zidane, Xavi, etc. If I were to ask you who were the best teams in history you’d say Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man City, etc. Now Zidane wasn’t the best player in the real madrid squad but he was up there. Iniesta and xavi weren’t the best players in the barcelona squad but they were up there…. KDB is without a doubt the best player for this man city squad. So how can the best player for one of the best teams still continue to be unrecognized as one of the best not only in the prem, but in the world. People have an agenda against City
David Silva and Yaya Toure are both better than KDB imo, however KDB’s longevity and accolades probably places him above them in rankings, however in terms of just as players, imo those players clear him.
Yaya Toure never mentioned. World class as a CB, CDM, CM and as a CAM. Ps I an staunch LFC fan and stevie G die hard but yeah just gotta give a true hyper position freak his dues in Yaya Toure
Great football chat I personally can’t get behind the chat about the old generation like players like van basten I just believe Suarez r9 and titi are just better but great way to put it good input and knowledge love this pod
Better than van Basten? You are mad, bruv. van Basten did it in the toughest league ever and won numerous titles. 3 Ballon d'ors before the age of 27. And Titi is better because of what? He's quicker? That's it. van Basten is on another planet compared to all of them except for R9.
Comparing KDB to Viera, Scholes, Lamps and Stevie is pretty funny. These guys are absolute ballers when it comes to holding positions and all these guys are good but they hardly attack but for KDB he just provides and helps with attack. Put KDB with prime scholes, lamps and stevie g then the midfield would be fire that's all. But in todays generation we need to love KDB that's all.
The midfielder debate is the same one we are having now with Pedri, Jude, Musiala, Gavi, Wirtz, etc. All different styles of player but the same people trying to nitpick the prem goat midfielder debate are using the same dumb arguments to push their own agendas about these young players.
Yaya toure & Fabregas over KDB for me. Them two have shown the ability to play in multiple phases within the midfield whilst playing at an exceptional level. Cdm, CM (box to box) and CAM. Just my opinion though.
Fabregas is not better than KDB at any single aspect of attacking football. Assists, Shooting, dribbling, pace, big game mentality, stamina. So you are wrong with this opinion. Yaya Toure as a player is ridiculous. In his Prime he was something I've never seen. Yaya played as CB in 2009 CL final and marked Rooney out the game. He was a better dribbler than KDB and had better close control and more powerful. Your opinion will not be wrong to say Yaya was a better all round footballer than KDB.
@@mrhussain9008 Cesc Fabregas has an elite range of passing. Hes also able to control a football match from the third phase of play. KDB is an elite attacking midfielder, but has been unable to replicate his form on the international stage - I wonder why? Lol
@@matty1580who said he hasn’t? Just because Belgium haven’t won anything doesn’t mean that he’s contributed nothing. That’s literally what critics of Messi used to say about him until the Copa America and some still said about him till the World Cup. Just because the player isn’t the exact same at international doesn’t mean anything.
Golden episode. You can tell the guys are speaking as pure football fans more than speaking as fans of their clubs. A lotta football podcasters/pundits and twitter critics can't have these kind of honest conversations about football because they are clouded by their love for their clubs or certain leagues or a lack of research on players or poor understanding of the game. And I like how the KDB topic was dissected, I think lyes or cams mentioned that KDB should be compared with the likes of Kaka, Bergkamp, Ozil, and Cesc as they are more of a similar profile which I agree with. Because there is this narrative going around ONLINE of KDB being compared to pure Center midfielders and deep lying playmakers which is soley based of stats btw to try paint KDB as thee 'GOAT' of all midfielders which a very biased narrative in my opinion...
Traditionally 10s or 9s. are the best players in the team. The greatest deep lying midfielder could never compare and be better than than the greatest 10 or attacking midfielder ever. Both are midfielders and that’s makes the debate about who’s better. It’s like comparing a box striker vs a complete striker that can finish dribble, link up and assist. One is better than the other despite the skillset of being deadly in the box
That take at 30:39 was bad because Torres was out most of that season Ronaldo miss like 14 league games when Ronaldo only miss like 5 games So goes to show gerrad was Liverpool
compare base on ability and the difference the player has on the game entirely. Goals win games. KdB has done it better than all other midfielders ever in the league.
jose to brazil? im calling it now! also i think his tactics are more suited to international football, which is a lot slower, more rigid, driven by invidiual quality, he wont fall out with players cos he wont see them every day, he wont have to rely on clubs to buy him players cos he can now choose who he wants from whats availabe to him, if he doesn't like a players attitude, he wont be invited back and these players love playing for their countries and going to major tournaments so they'll be way more commited as apposed to players on 350k a week on 4 year contracts.
Three man UTD players not rating Steven GERRARD, pretty obvious. You guys don't realise how versatile Stevie G is, Lampard Scholes could'nt play as a RB in a CL final. I truly love scholes and lampard. But out of all these players, Gerrard has always had an inferior team compared to others. In 13/14 season, it was completely reliant on suarez mostly but even at that age, Gerrard had 13 goals and 15 assist, no one wants to talk about that, he played as a deep lying playmaker that season. Get your facts right and bring all arguments before putting down Gerrard. No wonder every single top manager wanted Gerrard.
I think in terms of footballing ability Scholes and KDB are top two for me. Scholes was great dictating games as well as scoring screams and KDB has it all. Dream PL midfield will be Keane/Viera, Scholes and KDB.
I also hate when people talk about Gerrard they always say “he was in a team of bums” like no.. he played with absolute magicians and some of the best strikers the league has seen, people forget the Liverpool teams of old they had amazing players all around and people act like he was the only good player carrying a trash team 😂
@@grealish2234 with players like xavi alonso, Suarez, Torres, mascherano, skrtle, kuyt, Arne riise, Dudek, kewell, babel, Murphy, leiva, Johnson and much more… he played with top players there and people seem to think they was all bums because they didn’t compete 😂😂
Football looked so much better in the 90s and early to mid 2000s Best strikers OAT: R9, Van Basten, Romario, Henry, Suarez Also gotta talk about how some of these awards are losing their value when they give everything to Messi when other players have had a better season
These guys have made a lot of great points and I love the uncomfortable conversations: 1. Scholes has been heavily overrated by Manchester United fans. Roy Keane was much better. 2. The conversation about the evolution of football was brilliant. Judging past players using today's game is lazy. 3. Steven Gerrard's main issue was his tactical discipline. Putting him and having him being a controller was limiting him and his attributes. We've seen players like this though. Pogba and Coutinho are examples of such players. Limitting them to a role is killing them. Steven Gerrard is most DEFINITELY in the GOAT PL midfielder debate and he leads it. And he never had the best team in England. Also rendering Gerrard's 13/14 to a decent is disrespectful. 4. England managers failed England. Carrick/Hargreaves with Scholes and Gerrard would have given everything England needed to go further into tournaments. 5. Giggs was perhaps the smartest player next to Scholes United produced.
If you replace Iniesta with Lampard in 08/09 Barca team, it will mess up the tiki taka tempo, anf the team will be poor.Likewise If you replace Lampard with Iniesta in 04/05 Chelsea team. They won't win the Premier league. Lampard played as a MF and had to take up the striker role with his goals number. Chelsea won the league,with lampards goals and people forget Drogba flopped in his first season that year.
Unpopular opinion: Pep didn't ruin football, (he literally managed the most technical players of the last 15 years) Cristiano Ronaldo ruined football. He was the first all time great to EVER base his game on Stats only and not give a fuck about running a game, and entertain the crowd at Madrid, like Figo or Dinho used to. Because of this, kids from 2010s, grew up thinking, i can do fuck all all game, but as long as i get a goal and assist fans will rate me case in point Bruno Fernandes, Mason Mount (players who have said in interviews that they think CR7 is the GOAT), whereas back in the day Dinho, Figo, R9, Rivaldo, Kaka, Zidane wanted to entertain the crowd, run the game and get g/a. If CR7 never existed, i could guarantee you this obsession of G/A would not have happened, therefore thered be more Bergkamp like players, therefore thered be more great to watch players.
Jose always has some beef with the higher ups. Jose HAS to be the man in charge, and i think some of the higher ups doesnt like that. i remember in some interview he said to abramovic to buy whoever he said and in the end they won alot.
I hate to hear when they say de bruyne is the best or greatest mid in the EPL is like what. Are they mad. He's not even better than scholes or Lampard. Kdb is just stats that's it.
Who are these three bums to say jose is done and shouldnt come back to the premier league. Newcastle with their money would be a good job, chelsea in 18months time would be a good job. Then he also has england or brazil at int level.
I gotta disagree with the Gerrard take from Cams his responsibility alone is incomparable to any midfielder in PL history. I’ve got Scholes > Gerrard > Lampard imo, Lampard is clearly the worst of the 3
