Mouse Systems 1986 Optical PC Mouse - LGR Oddware 

Total regrets: 0

No mystery there. It was An OPTICAL mouse manufactured in fucking 1986. That's almost an like a 1993 LCD TV ! Slight difference being the mouse is real.

BilisNegra Well there was the Game Gear and the TV Tuner

total regrets: *null*

You can't escape his voice. If voices were photogenic, his is ridiculously.

What a great deal!

And now that vintage computers are cool again, they're right back up to $300 :(

I couldnt find a source for that price. I would like to where he got that info. Also: Vintage computers sell for a shitload. I been sufring ebay seeing old dells for 800+ will "8" sold. Like WTF?!?

@@timothygreene881 they think that old=rare=PROFIT.

I remember that

BassGoesBoom1 Guess the kids in my school weren't that devious/clever.

BassGoesBoom1 thats just what I was thinking when I saw that old ball xD

BassGoesBoom1 My high school did the EXACT same thing, because the kids were always stealing the mouse balls. (I found one loose in a hallway once and still have it.) It would've made more sense to buy all optical mice to replace the ball mice, but the education budget in my state was being slashed constantly, so they probably couldn't afford it. Predictably, after a while, the mice got all dirty inside and hard to use.

I put a piece of scotch tape on one of the laser mice in my highschool. Since it wasn't working, but still lit up, the teacher decided it was broken and threw it out.

alex Barbosa THE ORIGINAL

@@sacripudding4586 Basically a clone of MacPaint though

@@jhnbngtssn nah

But is it PC Paint?

I think early Unix GUI computers used a similar mouse. I remember seeing one of these mouse pads at my university in the early 1990s.

mouse is heros!

There is two LEDs: one is red, the other is infrared (like in remote for TV). The mouse pad is made of horizontal lines which reflect/stop the RED color in 4 stripes. The vertical lines are 4 stripes that reflect infrared. Like track balls and other mouses, the mouse need to detect 2 pairs of quadrature encoded signals. Here is some details about the older ball rolling mouse: The balls is coupled to two wheels with 64 to 100 holes. One wheel oriented horizontally, the other oriented vertically. On each wheels, two optical switches detect light thru these holes. One optical switch is 90 degrees shifted. Has the wheel rotate, the two optical switch detect the following sequence: off-off 0ff-on on-on on-off repeat... 100 times for one turn of the wheel. off-off 0ff-on on-on on-off At any time, if the wheel rotate in opposite direction, the order is reversed for these two optical switches. The optical mouse does the equivalent. The RED led is projected on the mouse pad. The red light reflect with 4 intensity: 0, 1, 2, 3 then the pattern repeat The red light detector watch for pattern of 4 intensity increasing, then falling to the lowest level. On each change, the position of the mouse counter is incremented. If the intensity reverse, going from bright to dim, the mouse counter is decremented. The infrared LED does the same 4 level intensity, but oriented in the other direction on the pad. The color filter on the mouse pad is designed to keep the infrared intensity the same when moving up/down (assuming this is the direction for the red led). Similarly, when the mouse move left-right, the reflectivity of the red color is kept the same while the infrared sequence thru the 4 levels. Brief, the mouse pad is designed to allow each of the two wavelength LED to interact in only in the horizontal direction for one and the vertical direction for the other.

It's exactly the same mouse. They were made by mouse systems, with the sun interface on them, but looked identical..

Ahh yes indeed friend its known as the polling rate listed as Hz/sec or updates per second a gaming mouse these days can do well over 1,000Hz/sec back then it might have been less than 100/hz sec its been a while since I had to think about mouse polling rates to be honest other than the higher the better lol.

xD

yes and the stoopid teachers used to superglue the cover and they stopped working after a while.

+SuperNathan90 Our teachers just waited it out until we got laser mice.

it was a bit hard using an old pc

***** xD, you can bounce them around now

Ugh

+manictiger My case has a top grille across the entirety of it. It sits off to the side of my desk, a foot away from me. I looked into it after a few months. My god.

+Ace dweebifier look at your name

+manictiger Speak for yaself you filthy beast

creadcharles Depends on your definition of filthy. All living creatures are just bags of protoplasm.

Garfi Duper every days a school day with RU-vid comments

It’s also in a deleted scene from Ferris Beuller where he’s in his room sitting at the computer changing his grades in the school computer system.

+Cloverof4 Then Create Another Account (I'm Not Condoning It Nor Supporting it)

You can kinda... It's called hitting the notification bell. It's better than subscribing for the creator.

Just hit the subscribe button twice.

I did. I do. I done.

Subscribe, unsubscribe, and subscribe again.

Lasers are still listed as the future and have been in the works since the 50s.

I've just realised that my mouse is a laser mouse, you can't see the light (infrared)) and it tracks on glass surfaces.

Purrbox its not a lazer. Its an optical mouse but it disables the light at certain angles and likely when its not moving. At least from what i know.

If it works on glass, decent chance that it's laser based indeed.

Now we have mice with ARM processors and on-board memory, oh times are a-changing!

sirp0p0 uwu so cute teehee

dotLord this is pc paint.

It was a surprise to me that I could still use my Genius GM-6 serial mouse with modern Linux, even through an USB adapter, while Windows stopped supporting that stuff since 3.11, I think...

ZXRulezzz Come to think of it mine must have been a Genius mouse as well! It was identical to the GM-6 in casing and did not require a power supply (though my Wacom serial tablet did!). Also had a DE-9 connector.

Not copying X's middle button paste behavior is one of the worst decisions Microsoft made (ok, maybe not as bad as their case-insensitive filesystem, abomination of a shell quoting syntax, repurposing an escape character as a path separator, their lame excuse for a browser that had no purpose other than driving a more competent competitor out of business...)

@@ailivac its purpose is playing Flash content really well.

Was it a red ball because i still have one of those. I don't use it still. But it was interesting

derick1131 Yes: a red ball with a grey housing for the main device. I used it until it wore out.

zh84 I had the same mouse. I don't use it anymore, but it works.

Those dots on the logitech trackballs were to help the sensor detect that the ball was moving, think about it, standard optical mice dont work on glass cause the surface is uniform, no changes that the optical receiver can detect, nowadays with laser mice and new optical tech, the sensors are accurate enough to detect micro scratches to work, but during those times not a happening, The ball is like a glassy surface, shiny but uniform, so the dots were put there to give the sensors something to detect, they actually still use the idea on the modern Logitech ergonomic trackball, though the ball is now sparkly metallic, not that its even needed cause the optical sensor is good enough to detect.

@@compzac That's what I thought. Thank you.

I wish I would have known that. I had one of the imai nice and the pad wore out.

Also the early Sparc-based Sun workstations I grew up with. Our lab had one computer with a real ball mouse. We'd fight over it.

Yeah sun slc elc and sparcstation 1 2 and 3. Also common on sgi machines. At my uni in 1996 we had both lowspec indy sgis and sparc elc. The sgi mouse pads was denser and wouldn't work right with sun mice so one day we changed over all the pads from one lab to the other... hilarity.

+Rex Holes ikr they made the mouse so heavy and uncomfortable to move around and it gets dirty so easily especially if you're a kid who eats snacks while playing Worms, ugh :L

They sucked balls... Sorry, I had to.

The istone

+Garnet Bezanson At least back then those iStones didn't break so easily.

But they didn't have a headphone jack.

@@austin5623isawesome : And probably not headphones either.

@@pauljones3017 headstones

Mmmmmm.... Cereal port

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I like ball mouses because I like to mess with the ball. OCD

The usability was horrible, but most of my memories are with ball mice, so that's that. Having a reliable mouse now makes life a little boring.

Mobliz I like ball mice but that's because of them being fun to play with. Not ideal for use though.

Losing the ball inside while playing with it and buying a new one just because I couldn't find it... Ah, those pure memories.

SkyWolfAlpha Yep, total clone of the patterns Susan Kare created for MacPaint!

THANX

You are fucking stupid

no one cares thx m8

Did it seem like a godsend back then? Like knowing you'd never have to clean a mouse ball again.

And also old versions of Unix-based systems that supported it

Kobi Tzarfati Pc paint.

GlitchGoblin You must be real fun in parties

Kobi Tzarfati Haha, why so?

GlitchGoblin it was a joke, he said pc paint a lot :P

Daniel Harvey I knew that, I was just clarifying it for him just to make sure he wasn't an idiot.

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I thought i recognized that mouse, especially having to keep the dammed thing upright!

We had those same mice, Sun logo on them, of course in college. We used them on LC, IPC, IPX and the Classic Workstations. the later Ultra Enterprise came with different mice.

They kept using this technology into the mid-to-late 90s, updating the style of the mouse but still requiring the stupid grid pad. I'm so glad Microsoft brought the universal surface optical mouse to market when they did!

The ones for the SPARC machines (like the IPX) were different albeit similar in design (they had a mousepad with a grid pattern on it). By RISC OS, he means Acorn. Never used Acorn systems but I perfectly remember cheap PC (ball) mice with a switch to Mouse Systems standard until the second half of the 90s. So they had PC products for sure, not just workstations.

It looks pretty much identical to the mice supplied with Sun-2 and -3 systems in 80s. My guess is that this is an attempt to cash-in on existing hardware in a new market. Those old Sun machines were streets ahead of 80's PCs.

wow you must be ancient, like over 30 or something, lol old.

i hope you guys are sarcastic, im 24

currently using a ball mouse, also have one with serial, only mouse that will work on my desk.

I remember they had them at my old elementary school (I'm 20 now.) Kids would take them out and throw them at each other.

Hahahahaha still using one as my everyday mouse!

*Ball mice

Do you have any pictures or information on it? I'd love to see!

Steel series WoW Mouse on one system and the Steel series rival 700 on another along with their apex m-800 keyboard. But I did also have several of the MS intelimouse models over the years.

turd burglar You must care a little to make that dumb and stupid comment lol because if no one cared then why bother replying to my comment at all. Thank you for showing how much of a 7 year old you are and your flame/comment will be used to cook my next BBQ lol. there is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe and it has a longer shelf life - Frank zappa and you just proved his point thank you so much for that and the laugh.

Joseph Pinkham Are you OK?

how you feeling?

@@MIurbex oh wow, I'm sorry for not realizing that comment was still up.. I'm doing much better now. It's been a roller coaster, since then, I was crushed by 3000 lbs of hay. And am just now getting back to normality. As far as my addiction goes, I told my entire family about it and asked for help. And now, I'm in a much better place. Thank you so much for reaching out and asking.