'Move over, Denafrips' + MORE on Dolby Atmos™

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0:00 Intro
1:49 Record Store Day
15:15 LAiV
47:08 Audiolab & Plexamp
1:00:45 Lindemann
1:20:01 Dolby Atmos & Steven Wilson
1:39:30 Austin Audio Works
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@bart7695 3 месяца назад

About Atmos and stereo: Most surround receivers have a per channel output via cinch or XLR which can be switched (or turned off per channel if not used in the latest Denon AVR's as to reduce interference). Also there are Atmos pre-amplifiers called processors. It is easy to use a great stereo amp to feed the main Left-Right channels or better still: three mono's to feed Left-Center-Right. The AVR's internal amplifiers can handle the effect channels only when needed and in stereo/direct mode will only pass through the audio to your external amp. Or just connect your DAC/record player to the external amp for stereo only.

@twisterbret 3 месяца назад

I run a 7.2.4 using all external amps. I listen to SW mixes all the time. You are in for a treat! A lot of HT users just don't realize they could really show off their systems much better with an Atmos blu-ray over a 4k movie. Atmos is not used just for ambiance music. It can me in your face at times.

@NakeanWickliff 3 месяца назад

Yup! It's really incredible. I just don't understand all the hate from 2 channel guys. It's not like it mucks up your stereo mixes. If you don't want it, don't use it. For us home theater guys with 7 bed layers speakers it's quite amazing. I literally have my apple tv and avr set to play stereo when it's stereo and atmos when there's atmos. Can't wait to install my 4 height speakers. I'm renting so they will be on ceiling instead of in ceiling. They won't stand out too badly because I have 5.5" clouds that will help conceil them a bit. Will it look like a gorgeous two channel room? Nope, but I don't care. It will be fun and for those of us that like to run wire, and like take measurements and align subs and mains etc etc, atmos kicks ass. It ain't for everyone and the fact that he has to continuously say, "I'm not talking to you home theater guys" demonstrates he does understand, to some degree" this product might just not be for him. Once he hears it properly though, it might be all over..... welcome to the dark side my friend!

@AnthonyValcic 3 месяца назад

Hi there, I recently upgraded my home studio to be capable of mixing 7.1.4. It can really be an amazing listening experience as well as extremely enjoyable format to mix. I can answer a few questions that came up. 1. being able to compare various down-mix options is crucial to the mixing process and built into Atmos mixing with a process called re-rendering (including a completely separate render process for headphones). Presumably the demo in Munich will be a mixing demo, so all that Mr. Wilson would need to do is have his re-renders set up in the Atmos renderer, which is likely just part of his normal template. 2. Comparison to stereo could have 2 different forms: 1. The original stereo mix, 2. The folded down to 2.0 Atmos mix. In the case of catalog material, say The Beatles Abbey Road, if you go into Apple Music player preferences and disable Atmos, you're going to get the 1970 mix -a radical difference in many older catalog releases like that one. It seems that in high profile artists like that, AI tools and voodoo magic have been implemented to create some really stunning Atmos versions. For more recent music, typically the process is to bring up the tracks in stereo until you've matched the pre-existing stereo mix as closely as possible, then make panning and motion decisions from that starting point. In the future, and some mixers are starting to do this, one may start with the Atmos mix and then check stereo compatibility as an after thought. This is reminiscent of the transition from the early stereo days when the mono mix was the standard that the producer and band would sign off on, and then go home, leaving the stereo mix for the assistants to complete after hours.

@BrentWatkinsMusic 2 месяца назад

I'm glad to see this comment having floated to the top. I'm an electronic artist that views ATMOS as the ultimate canvas to paint on. I too produce in ATMOS taking care to make sure the down mixes reflect the same essential mix decisions. This who say "ATMOS is dead" for music either aren't the creators committed to producing in ATMOS or don't see the value of engaging home theater fans in a way that showcases their ATMOS system for music.

@CommanderFlashHeart 3 месяца назад

I love to listen to John and his friends chat about Hifi while I'm driving. I find this channel extremely informative. But this format with the episodes airing in both audio and video is challenging. I felt I was missing a lot of the visual stuff while listening to the podcast. But keep up the great work. Allways looking forward to new episodes 👍

@DarkoAudio 3 месяца назад

I am sure we will get better at keeping listeners in the loop as we make more episodes.

@YoungThos 3 месяца назад

3:58 I remember visiting Dussmann many years ago as a germanophile/bibliophile tourist and being amazed at the lineup to buy books at the checkout at closing time ten minutes to midnight. My tiny little Canadian mind was blown 🤯

@whssy 3 месяца назад

Defeating the height speakers during playback is theoretically possible. But you have to be able to enable them first. I actually did this to see if it works - and it does. It basically just gives you a surround 5.1 mix. I wouldn't get Atmos just for the music - but it's a nice bonus when I have it for movies anyway - and my "theatre" is set up for music first sound. And some of the Atmos mixes are pretty impressive - even on my meagre 5.1.2 setup with a pair of front bookshelf speakers on a shelf at near ceiling height (it's a small room).

@darreng279 3 месяца назад

This helped me get my mind off something. I'll be joining you again soon, with gratitude, on Patreon.

@draztiqmeshaz6226 3 месяца назад

I'm so glad you are hyping and describing Plex to people. Their server/amp combo has changed my whole music listening life, as someone who likes to get something tangible when I buy music.. and has since 1999 or so

@Woofy-tm8si 3 месяца назад

Funny thing, I put a Denafrips Iris DDC on consignment at a local hifi shop, or at least I tried to. Before I could complete the paperwork, someone offered me $100 less than I paid for it. I had them pay the shop and the shop cut me a check for it minus their reasonable fee. The shop's only complaint was that two of their salesman were disappointed they didn't get a chance to purchase it first.

@Maver1ck911 3 месяца назад

The Holo Red DDC remains a master piece in specs. But good luck finding one in stock, Iris is easy to buy 😉

@badgerdms 3 месяца назад

The RSD lines around the DC area were insane this year. I waited about 2.5 hours before I went and the line was still at least 100 people deep. Nearly everyone walked out with $150-$200 worth of merchandise. Everyone gets their turn in line order to get whatever they want (that's left) from the list handed out by the staff before proceeding into the rest of the store.

@NykoLUniko 3 месяца назад

Hi John! The height/ceiling speakers are what makes Atmos, Atmos. A configuration of 5.1.2 & up is needed for the Atmos Playback to be enabled. Ideally the proper “baseline” is 7.1.4. AVR’s do not play Atmos for other configurations, it simply looks at speaker count & play a down conversion of 5.1. Or only 2 speakers, the stereo signal of the content.

@kenmace933 3 месяца назад

Thanks John! Hoping you get that interview with Mr Wilson, not just for the Atmos discussion but for music in general.

@Hawk999 3 месяца назад

Thanks to your tip, I managed to side load Plexamp into my Eversolo DMP-A6 ME, and I can now stream al my music via Plexamp to my Eversolo. Thanks for the tip! 👍🏻

@pdcragin33 3 месяца назад

Mr D, I wish to convey this thought to you in kindness: what you perceive as a great divide between music listening and movie listening is, for many of us (dare I guess most consumers) a ditch created by a garden hose, easily crossed. Consider how popular John Williams soundtracks are. Consider the excitement of the Telarc release of the 1812 Overture featuring real cannons. If you change your abode to a common house with studs and drywall and ceilings with crawlspace above, the placement of speakers and wire is not soul-crushing, no more than audiophile “room treatment. “ Buying two new speakers to flesh out a decade-old Dolby Surround system doesn’t suck up all the Christmas/holiday money either. As for breadth of titles - ah! There’s the old “first chicken or egg” problem. But I believe Apple gambles that movie listeners will be first-in with hardware, so sound mixers will eventually want in too. I’m 70, yet I expect to live to hear the day. Have you noticed how your John Williams soundtrack CD (stereo) isn’t as exciting as listening on Blu-Ray (multi-track)? Peace.

@richardsinger01 3 месяца назад

I avoid RSD. I am not the sort of person to stand in line waiting to go into a shop. I tend to go to my local record shop on the Monday after to pick through the leftovers. I usually get what I want.

@tdmduc 3 месяца назад

Prefab Sprout❤ I saw them live in Utrecht in the 80's❤❤❤

@octothorpe12 3 месяца назад

The wideband driver looks similar to the one in the Sibelius. Of course, it gets bass extension from the V horn in the cabinet.

@Malangsufi 3 месяца назад

Let me get my coffee ready. boy this will be fun!

@ChrisWhittenMusic 3 месяца назад

If you are seeing music live you aren’t really experiencing surround. Apart from a bit of slapback from whatever walls in the venue, it’s basically a two ear, stereo experience. I can’t see any point in classic pop and rock being remade in Atmos format. For film and tv, yes. For electronics and ambient, again it could be an amazing addition.

@chrisd1405 3 месяца назад

Most classic recordings would lose their original appeal if remixed for Atmos.

@kevinmcgrath3591 3 месяца назад

ATMOS, well done, at around 1:31:00 you mention that the ATMOS chip can remap an audio mix to send a sound to a different channel thus not losing the sound. not lot of people state this. Yes, please do a comparison when ATMOS is collapsed to 2 channel versus the CD 2 channel mix - interesting stuff. By the way, i have an ATMOS system (7.1.4) bought for audio.

@kristophergurley585 3 месяца назад

I have a really odd ball Atmos system. I have a 4.1.2 system(no center channel). I use a tube integrated to power the front channels and use the receiver to power the other channels. I can switch it from multichannel using the receiver to just stereo listening using the tube amp so I have the best(I can afford)of both worlds. Even with my Atmos/music system, I have only listened to a handfull of Atmos tracks and zero full albums.

@julblu3719 3 месяца назад

Hi Darko, I really like your channel and the way of professionallity, easyness and the right sense of humor you rewiev even complex stuff👍 I have a question: I´m using B&W PI 7X2 now after using the PX 7S2, simply because I don´t like the over ear feeling. I realy liked the soud of the PX7 S2 (Best soundquality in this price segment, in my ear opinion) and the PI7 S2 are even great, pressure like over ears! The only difference I was able to detect, is the little wider sound. What do you mean? have you heared the PI7 S2 or compared it yet? Best greetings from Berlin

@taidee 3 месяца назад

As usual, the two of you deliver near two hours worth of watching/listening for those just listening. Thanks guys.

@ericwilson5156 3 месяца назад

I have a 5.1.4 atoms set up. I run route my front left and right into a 2 channel integrated amp. This way I can have both movies with my avr and 2 channel listening through my integrated. Works well. My base is a rel that allows two connections. One for the Avr for movies and the other hooked up to integrated for music.

@Captain_Mike 3 месяца назад

Interesting LAiV Harmony DAC. I have PS audio airlens streamer with I2S digital out. I want to know if the I2S is compatible with Harmony DAC. I know Harmony DAC has PIN options configurable, but not sure the PS audio PIN configuration is available.

@AndrewWong08 3 месяца назад

Hi John, I use a stereo amp for stereo, but I also use a receiver for Atmos. I use Buchardt Audio’s i150 for the stereo amp to power the a pair of S400 Mk2 and a pair of SVS SB13 subs. I use the Marantz SR 8015 to power 4 heights, 2 front surrounds, 2 side surrounds, 2 rear surrounds and the center. The front speaker signals are outboarded to the i150. So in essence I have the best of both worlds. A stereo system and a 9.2.4 Atmos system. And yes, I only listen to Apple Music through my Apple TV 4K which is connected to the Marantz receiver.

@WeeWeeJumbo 2 месяца назад

dual SB13s must be craaaazy

@Cencolor 3 месяца назад

For the sound bleeding, I think Sound Devices MixPre, has the plugin to record different tracks and auto duck the person who is speaking live (exactly for podcast’s situations like this). Hope the tip helps

@madeupuser 3 месяца назад

Thanks for the podcast guys, just to say, plexamp is very good, I use it as by back up to Roon. I have plex server on an intel nuc, and then three of four raspberry pi4s around the house with the excellent ropieee software. The ropieee software allows you to create a plex endpoint (and a NAA for HQ Player if you want - but thats another story) and play around the house, it works very well!

@Skye_the_toller 3 месяца назад

About the LAIV DAC… only DSD 256 support (on their website) ? How can you have pictures showing 1024?

@johnpischedda6951 3 месяца назад

Wiim with a screen ! a no brainer it was coming, if priced right it will walk off the shelves, look forward to your review John.

@Firebottleman 3 месяца назад

The wb drivers used in the lindemann speakers resemble the ones used by Pearl Acoustics in their Sibelius model

@spunkthecombo 3 месяца назад

The driver is made by the same manufacturer, Adam Audio. The guy putting this speaker out has added the things I thought would sound great in this speaker.

@MCMTL 3 месяца назад

I got the EverSolo DMP-A6 ME in part because I can rip my CD collection into an SSD housed inside the unit. I stream from TIdal, but I like the idea of having my own files locally.

@WeeWeeJumbo 2 месяца назад

how is it going? how would you characterize the way your music life has changed, now that you have the DMP A6?

@GreenArrowNetwork 2 месяца назад

For the LAIV, I see reviewers discussing the sample rate, but I don't see a discussion of bit-depth (LAIV website also only shows sampling rate). Does anyone have information about what bit depths it will accept at these bit rates? Thanks,

@nolly485 3 месяца назад

Shame the remote does not work the volume on the Laiv Harmony Dac.

@User_not_found_403 3 месяца назад

...I've trying to ween off of upgraditis....but this LAiV DAC is quite attractive aesthetically at that price point.

@matthewhilty4209 3 месяца назад

Yea I am a big sucker for record day. I end up getting stuff that is questionable but I guess it's all in fun.

@njalbrekke4861 3 месяца назад

Hi, Denafrips is easy to sell second hand in Norway. It has established it self.

@ajay55556 3 месяца назад

Amoeba music in Los Angeles was packed full with long lines at the cash register. Though, I am not sure if vinyl sounds better than cd for new popular music.

@Soundapple Месяц назад

I love SE’s reviews. In fact, his ears are among those I trust the most, if not the most, and he’s able to communicate it in writing. Fantastic reviewer. But he’s not exactly easy company, is he ? 😂 I mean, all those damn riddles! 😂

@therocknessfnmonster 3 месяца назад

As far as the LAiV dac goes, I think the price point is going to the be biggest hurdle. Sure it might be a good value, but the Aries came to us at under $1k and that was the introduction of Denafrips to most of us. At $2700, you'll get a lot less adopters--->evangelists.

@sonusancti 3 месяца назад

Great video John thanks. I think there is one vital detail even us audiophiles have missed in our vinyl discourse. We all saw the epic MoFi vinyl digital omission scandal yet if that had not come to light no one would've complained. We are unanimous in saying that the earliest pressings in the 50s and 60s sound best even by today's technology but no one ever gave the reason. Here I dare tell the world the indisputable answer. The answer not only gives due credit to good engineers both Americans and Brits but most importantly, all systems at the time, without exception, from studios to domestic playback, used pure tube gear, that's end to end. So build a recording studio today that uses pure tube equipment especially mics stored on studer tape recorders then lets see how the pressing will sound in today's best of the best analog system.

@sorepaws 3 месяца назад

I do enjoy the conversation style of this and the discussions help to identify some areas to explore but sorry guys when Srajan Ebaen says "current mode amplification totally disregards the cables electrical parameters altogether" - as I understand it the charateristics of cable are LRC dependent and passing a current through one will have an effect - however marginal it is not "disregarded". Yes I am being picky, but you are the expert audio informers. I think it is clever to introduce reference to an academic into the converstion to support the argument, if only in passing not in depth. Loved the bit about vinyl and the Plex part now that is useful to the every day audiophile - especially if like me you are a pensioner! (yes my hearing is old and there is no point in worrying about some of the esoteric stuff)

@classicrock7890 3 месяца назад

Single small driver with bass extension check out Pearl Acoustics. It's in the cabinet design.

@chrisd1405 3 месяца назад

Sibelius is the speaker you refer to from Pearl. Its built on a Mark Audio Alpair 10p driver.

@ToTheWind 3 месяца назад

I use Plexamp but also Roon Arc (although it's a little flaky).

@doctorkpg 3 месяца назад

What an interesting conversation! But let me ask you, @DarkoAudio : what's size are your Solidsteels-7 or 6? Thank you!

@DarkoAudio 3 месяца назад

@NakeanWickliff 3 месяца назад

Atmos in just bed layer speakers is different in that there is no other way to get surround sound music from streaming that I'm aware of. At least not in the apple ecosystem. It would just be upmixed from 2 channel stereo to dolby surround which I don't like the sound of. Atmos sounds very different and items can be placed anywhere in the bed layer even without height speakers. The height speakers takes it to another level though.

@paulsweeney70 3 месяца назад

Fine Time

@billpearis9964 3 месяца назад

What RSD titles were you looking for, just wondering, apart from Prefab Sprout?

@DarkoAudio 3 месяца назад

FSOL, Talking Heads, The Orb, Global Communication and The Blue Aeroplanes. I got 'em all online on Sunday! 👍🏻

@billpearis9964 3 месяца назад

@@DarkoAudio UK always has more stuff I want than the US... Beatsongs deluxe, that's cool!

@NeilBlanchard 3 месяца назад

Steven Wilson is also *amazing* remastering of Jethro Tull, and Yes, and others. His remasters are by far better than the originals.

@derekclark7545 2 месяца назад

Dolby say that for true Atmos you need a minimum of 7.1.4, I installed mine myself in 2019 with Monitor Audio speakers, Pioneer SC-LX 59 AV amp that allows me to use a Musical Fidelity amp for the front stereo speakers, the Pioneer controls the M/F volume for Atmos. Due to the length of my room I would like to fit two more speakers between the steroid fronts and the side surrounds, this would need a 13 channel AV amp again using my M/F amp. The extra speakers would allow a smoother transition of sound from sides to front or the other way. Music sometimes sounds good in Atmos but its not something that I need. My front speakers are now Acoustic energy 302

@tdtm82 3 месяца назад

My problem with RSD still is why the hell is stuff so damn expensive? For instance The Dijits' double-LP is £40 in the UK. I absolutely adore vinyl and collecting and I'm a sucker for colours and this year was some great great jazz out and stuff and some actual real rare $hit. I didn't go this year but I buy a lot from artists and labels monthly; within my budget and I have stuff from Dad too in my collection. Taylor Swift is doing a graet deal for record stores and I'll forever appreciate her for it. Thank you!

@andrewbrazier9664 3 месяца назад

That's why I buy cds. Although do have just a few blu ray audio discs inc the newly released SDE No Parlez by Paul Young. This offers a range of channel playback modes & cost me the same a standard RSD vinyl release (£28) 🇬🇧

@dunkelheit843 3 месяца назад

Odd that you had that experiance with denafrips, I sold a terminator 2 very easily for 80% of what I paied for it.

@BrentWatkinsMusic 2 месяца назад

It's about time a top-tier audiophile embraced a discussion of ATMOS without the judgy/dismissive attitude. Historically *all* major advances in music reproduction originated from cinema technology. ATMOS is here to stay and will continue to make inroads into music production, granted, via home theater systems.

@r.veuger346 3 месяца назад

The whole EU/China import problem Johnny describes is strange to me. More a 'Germany' problem maybe. Here in the Netherlands import from China is very fast, and past the customs without extra payment. I guess the volume at the Dutch customs is so big, they just let is through from China. The real problem in my expercience is importing from the US to EU. You pay a lot more in the EU for Schiit products for example than the US customer. Custom payment at the door is a bitch, specially if you can't pay digitally. With DHL I get an email if there is extra payment. But in that regard Germany is also way behind it's neighbours. Some shops don't even accept debit cards!! Here, some shops don't accept cash anymore, debit cards only...

@texeast8680 3 месяца назад

I watch a lot of dolby atmos movies and listen to a lot of dolby atmos audio only. My system is a 7.2.4 arrangement that is very adequate. I think that if you want more acceptance of Dolby Atmos someone needs to develop a good headphone that is dolby atmos capable and equivalent to a 7.2.4 system. I really think that someday that will happen.

@maxwinderlich9410 3 месяца назад

I have learned over the past years that hifi dealers and jounalists often only discuss „2 channel stereo“ OR „home cinema“. Multi channel music does not seem to be a topic here. The reason behind this is fairly simple - it is a niche and therefore not of relevance for them. I can understand that. I for one built up a multi channel system around a good stereo set-up over the years and ended up with a 7.2.6 Atmos configuration. Thus, both stereo and multi channel music sound stunning with that system. In my point of view the best results can be achieved by running separates (pre-pro combined with power amps). Moreover, sophisticated AV components come along with the powerful tool of having parametric EQ that allow you to do optimise bass reproduction in your room. My KEF Reference 3 do enormously profit from that. This topic is not really taken into account when comparing pure two channel amps with AV components.

@DavidBurns-sq4kd 3 месяца назад

The price of Vinyl is ludicrous. About double the price from a few years back here in Australia. I think it’s great the young bangers are buying vinyl if it’s for the experience. If they want to pay drug money at JB HiFi 😃 Myself I’ll be Buying used where I can.. great discussion. 👍

@justasimplefox 3 месяца назад

I don´t know...second hand Denafrips dacs are selling almost at same prices as new ones 🤔

@matthewhoult1350 2 месяца назад

The LAiV Harmony DAC looks to be a real hit and a contender against other DAC's priced up to and also exceeding £5k. LAiV will also clear the product through UK Customs when it lands in the UK so the price you pay on the LAiV website is the price you pay for the product delivered to your door I can't think of any other audio company that offer this level of service, looking forward to the streamer in Q1 2025.

@michaelsparrow4798 3 месяца назад

Atmos adapts to number of speakers available? I recall reading somewhere (sorry, tried to find source) that Atmos mix data contains the engineers' placement specifications, but if a less-than-max number of speakers is available, the Dolby processor adjusts using the data as a source.

@michaelsparrow4798 3 месяца назад

Found a source. Use your search engine and input "audient beginner guide dolby atmos". It will likely be the first result. "Also key to the success of Atmos is its scalability: an Atmos mix will automatically adapt to all speaker configurations from 4.1.2 to 11.1.8. You simply deliver a single master file and the Atmos metadata within it tailors playback to any speaker array..."

@Piglet6256 3 месяца назад

I recently started my own plex amp server with .flac files. However im curious how you guys handle all the music files? So what i mean is the folder hierarchy and the naming convention for those files? All music tracks named in 1 huge folder or 1 folder per artist? 1 folder per artist divided in subfolders with studio albums, compilation albums, singles, live albums etc? What info the tag must contain. Maybe an idea for a video? Anyways great stream and any feedback is very much welcome :D

@PaulHaussler-bs1qi 3 месяца назад

RE: Dolby Atmos... Great technology... In fact, fantastic technology!!! For movies... For music, well, not so much... At least in my 2.1 music oriented opinion... Would I love to hear Dolby Atmos in a demonstration? Of course I would. Am I interested in purchasing it? No. Paul H. Huntington beach, CA USA

@Gregdsilva915 3 месяца назад

Some might say the price is targeting the U.K, US market, and that’s a shame ., because there is a whole world out there that a lot bigger market and I’m pretty sure that price is no surprise.

@tictocdoc6958 3 месяца назад

I have an atmos system. The problem with atmos isn't the installers, technology or with the av receivers. The problem is with Hollywood budgets and timeliness. A movies audio mix is one of the last things done before the movie hits theaters or streaming. By that point, there have been several delays. So then that time needs to be made up by rushing the atmos mix. Folks with trinnov av processors will happily tell you that many movies have a "fixed" channel audio mix to save time but still call it atmos. The technology to have discrete objects scaled up or down based on each person's speaker count is useless if the studios keep putting out half baked fake atmos movies. I do think that this systemic problem may not invade the music industry as much. One can hope.

@teknorob633 3 месяца назад

A very enjoyable Podcast as always, but it left me pondering three questions, could LAIV be the subjectivists Topping and could it be as much catnip for reviewers as much as it is audiophiles. In the same way Topping appear to design their products to hit the right measurement numbers objectivists crave conversely LAIV seem to have designed a DAC with R2R, NOS, etc to tic the boxes subjectivist reviewers and audiophiles willingly hoover up as proof of greatness. Sprinkle in a internal shot of glitzy electronics and a pointless monochrome "hi-res" screen and is it job done for LAiV ... Or am i just an awful cynic stoking a niche culture war, and instead it's just a really good DAC at a great price point?

@kirlu50 3 месяца назад

People should pay more attention to 6Moons

@WoodstockG54 Месяц назад

What ever happened to JRivers? Is it still a good platform?

@stefandebusmucke2907 3 месяца назад

Did I get that right with Laiv: Chinese manufacturer have copied almost everything over decades and now they complain about grey markets? Really?

@taidee 3 месяца назад

Just because you've been stealing doesn't mean you can't complain when someone is stealing from you, theft is still theft 🤣🤣

@JTB-- 3 месяца назад

I think LAiV is in Singapore

@1324390 2 месяца назад

Grey market sales and design copying are two totally different issues.

@mladenbasic1 3 месяца назад

It would be nice if Srajan would get himself a nice mic. You are talking about audio after all

@justadad2304 3 месяца назад

I helped (myself, help) my wife learn to appreciate HiFi by encouraging her to buy a Taylor Swift record on vinyl. ("Folklore," perhaps her most authentically mature work vs. just pop stuff.) Could she hear the difference vs. CD or Qobuz streaming? Oh yes, in two seconds. Other than that, I have no use for Swift (doesn't save me from having to listen to her records in the car, during dinner, Saturday mornings, Sunday mornings, etc.).

@MSiAventador 3 месяца назад

I see the end of the power amplifier arms race, but not the DAC. Now is simply not the time to spend over $1,000 on a DAC.

@donalddrewel7862 3 месяца назад

I'm not doing RSD any more the competitiveness and FOMO has become too much.

@jim586 3 месяца назад

The makers of the Zu speakers need to take a leaf out of Vinshines book on European distributors. The cost to import their speakers including tax more or less doubles the cost! Which marks the Lindeman speakers as better value.

@martinscase3904 3 месяца назад

RSD: 'Exclusive releases' at extortionate prices, unfortunately. Big business indeed...

@oscarmeelhuysen1786 3 месяца назад

IMO, if they want to go international successfully, I would recommend them to get rid of this Chinese bling bling in their devices and focus solely on quality components. Another look may work to distinguish yourself on the market, but IMO this is over the top for a lot of audio enthousiasts outside Asia.

@ptg01 3 месяца назад

RSD feels like a HUGE Marketing phenomenon... Not sure of value on these so called "LIMITED" releases.. But heck, commercial success is a good thing...

@PeterMooshammer 3 месяца назад

I read a headline that not all buyers of vinyl own a player

@audioiduamusicisum7368 3 месяца назад

Yeah, I saw the '50% of vinyl buyers don't....' headline. Reading the article said it was a US survey of 3900 people.

@backrack01 Месяц назад

So... I guess this video is being blamed for the Vineshine/Denafrips implosion?

@diemman70 3 месяца назад

The is so weird that more folks buy records than cds in the US. I only buy cds. I don’t even know anyone that buys either records nor cds. The local record store was closed on the 20th.😂

@johanneskason 3 месяца назад

The esthetic of high-end audio equipment is weird. And usually not in a good way. I guess it’s up to the beholder but still.

@rdsreference 3 месяца назад

With Bluetooth headphones or earbuds listening to music it sounds beyond bad. Good with Netflix though

@barlow2976 3 месяца назад

I wrongly anticipated the reason you would wear a mask would be to avoid being recognised by your increasingly large fan base😂 I'm with you on the infectious diseases though, I avoid busy places nowadays.

@barlow2976 3 месяца назад

p.s don't mock the Californian listening to his vinyl by sight, they had some strong acid there. He's probably hearing more of a difference on his tab of california sunrise than you would with the best interconnects.

@scottbennett3119 2 месяца назад

Taiwan is different and okay to buy from. There are ethical reasons that many are not thrilled about buying from an oppressive nation like Taiwan's neighbor.

@wojciechczupta 3 месяца назад

atmos again. if 99% of music consumers don't care (because they use mobiles and tiny earphones) and the remaining 1% that cares will not afford billion speakers needed, and considering the effort needed to produce an album which is like really compatible (I assume you need a different approach to recording and more mics) and understanding that all existing albums will remain in it's stereo nature (sometimes mono) I would say good luck Dolby.

@AnthonyValcic 3 месяца назад

Different recording techniques are not required, it is only in the mix. You could do experimental recording stuff with more mics, but it's not at all needed. Current practise for atmos mix is to recall the stereo mix, and then the panning and artistic 3D decisions could be a matter of a few hours extra mixing time after that. Atmos also includes a special rendering for headphones, likely the format that most people will hear Atmos on in the near future.

@grommie 2 месяца назад

It has no aes inputs. So its completly not for professionals.

@johnnytran1067 3 месяца назад

I loathe collectability and false scarcity.

@karlernstbuddenbrock371 3 месяца назад

Now there’s a pithy statement. I’m going to borrow it if that’s ok.

@user-lr1ct1wn1c 3 месяца назад

Stopped watching at around 20 minutes! Such audio jewelry! I want to get one. Don't care how it sounds like!

@Cloud-yp4eh 3 месяца назад

Hi John, Atmos for music only is a dead duck. Nobody does it. For movies however it’s a different story. I’ve never supplied or fitted Atmos for a music guy but nearly all cinema rooms we do ARE Atmos An no, without height speakers it’s pointless. Upward firing stuff is nonsense.

@jimfarrell4635 3 месяца назад

Indeed. You would be crazy to invest in an Atmos system just for music, but for movies, TV and gaming, with a side order of Peter Gabriel or Steven Wilson, it's great and to be welcomed. I agree about the up firing speakers, and wish you would explain to my wife why my Kefs need to go right up at the roof.

@Skye_the_toller 3 месяца назад

I have a very good surround system… and invested in a better stereo gear… surround if you have no choice… but not as good as the same amount of money in a good stereo system… only a gimmick

@oohtob6685 3 месяца назад

There are quite a few Dolby Atmos Albums/Tracks on Tidal.

@tdmduc 3 месяца назад

😂😂😂😂😂

@SeeL2169 3 месяца назад

Speak for yourself. I use Dolby atmos for Music via Tidal and Amazon Music. I also have a dedicated 2 channel for analog and streaming as well.

@MusicMovies67 3 месяца назад

Taylor Swift gets far too much airtime, she's everywhere, not to my liking at all

@Simplyveej 3 месяца назад

The music is rubbish. Seems like a nice person.

@diemman70 3 месяца назад

Yeah, this latest album was not reviewed well. She is a decent person though.

@YouSoundButtHurt 3 месяца назад

@@Simplyveej She has some good songs and is quite talented.

@TheVeganVicar 3 месяца назад

Teenybopper nonsense.

@WeeWeeJumbo 3 месяца назад

not every thing has to be for you, and as you age, there’s gonna be less and less for you

@2013brzsubaru 2 месяца назад

Sad that dacs really dont make much difference😮

@sinucigasplatit 2 месяца назад

Maybe in your shitty system...🤷🏻

@larsv6144 2 месяца назад

Hopefully LAiV products can soon be bought from in the EU. This will maybe replace my Holo Audio Spring KTE, and also very interested in their upcoming products 🙂

@YouSoundButtHurt 3 месяца назад

Good timing, i'm looking for a new DAC and streamer. Hopefully we won't have to wait until 2025 for the streamer release.