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Thanks for pointing this interesting one out! Yes, I get what you mean, NoirAngel XD :) The fact that she still doesn't forgive her mother even though this might be their last "encounter" probably shows how much Chise has suffered from her past. It could solely be Chise's way of handling this conversation (and perhaps her character development recently) which made me feel this way. Chise might indeed be a bit weak still... too caring about this incident as just to let go of it. Hopefully, the story will reveal a bit more about how Chise actually feels about her mother after this scene!

This is indeed a topic worth discussing about ... (I will also go lengthy on random stuff :) ) Matthew (the first guy) has suffered for so long alongside his wife. I cannot really recall whether he knew that she was sick the time they got married. But they seemed genuinely lovey-dovey at first. It was only after years of seeing her in bed that probably made him a bit sick. And when he desperately asked Cartaphilus for help, he was probably giving his aid/medical advice as a pretense for toying around with the human species. I don't know how exactly, but Cartaphilus seems to be the kind of person who wants to discover the true nature of human psychology. In the end, it really seemed like he (Matthew) was going insane and kind of in need for her. His view probably got distorted during the years - and Cartaphilus might also have contributed to his final "condition". As for the second one (Joel and the vampire), I believe the vampire did not even realize her own feelings at that time. And when Elias chose to enlighten them on this case (that she already has left her mark on him, ending up with Joel's death sentence), she really seems shocked to me. In the end, she didn't deny her feelings anymore - indeed being selfish. I personally enjoyed these interjections of "failed" relationships because it has something pretty real to it - many marital relationships in the past (speaking of earlier generations) only married for a mate, not a love. This is a practical reason. Also, you could marry into a family of status/wealth or so. As far as this is concerned, practical relationships were pretty much normal in the past and are not uncommon even now. There is this second nuance of love that might apply to your examples better - the love which you feel intently - but you don't know whether it's real or whether your subconscious has forced it on you. This is what happened to the vampire, selfish love indeed. But Joel really seemed to be happy with it since her presence even refueled his purpose in living. As for Matthew, I'm not even quite sure whether he was still sane just before he met the alchemist (Cartaphilus) or already possessed by unreasonable love. My interpretation is that the author tries to work out the challenges of a relationship under exceptional circumstances (your wife being bed-ridden; your beloved/host not being able to see you after your eyes met). This relationship aspect could even get interesting when considering the MCs: Does Elias really love Chise yet, or why does he want to make her his wife exactly? Enjoy her presence? Having a thing all for himself (recall the moment he ran away from home, Chise followed her, and he held so tight to her that he almost got her strangled). Or that time when his jealousy of Stella really shone through - when he would abduct Stella for *his* but not Chise's purposes. Don't know how Ruth plays into this one ... Ruth also lost Anabelle to an accident (is that her name)? It could be that every romantic relationship in this story is kind of twisted, tainted, or the like. Maybe the author didn't want to have normal characters? Respecting these arguments, Ruth and Elias both might be a bit "unstable" as well. They all hurt their partner (Chise) too. I don't know how this will play out in the last episode, but hope that we get a satisfying resolution. Well, humans are selfish and most of the time don't even notice it ... Hope this didn't get too much of a rant ;)

NoirAngel XD no it’s entirely possible to move on and still not forgive someone. For instance if some murdered my mom for example I would never forgive them, ever. But at the same time I wouldn’t dwell on them forever I’d continue to live my life and try to be happy again. You don’t have to forgive someone to move past them that’s a very wrong misconception.

@NoirAngel XD Just adding my own spice to the mix, I have had very bitter and awful break-offs with other people. I will never forgive them for the actions they did, so I will always remember what they did, and who they are. I do this so that the next time I see someone following in their footsteps, I won't repeat history, and so that next time I see them, some things are just not worth forgiving. I am a very forgiving person, mind you, but some things should not be done, and that bridge has burned. But also realize that I don't HAVE to be "controlled" or influenced by this memory or person. I can move on. Next time I see someone like this guy, sure I have a heads up, but I won't be paranoid. I won't immediately think "oh, he's just like the last guy". I will give them a chance, but I will also be aware of what happened before. So (imo, in this specific instance:) Chise is making herself aware of the past, and learning from it, but not being contained, or held back by it. By doing this, she is telling her Mom. "I will learn from you, and be better." It's her Mom's fault that she came out the way she did, she can't forgive her for that, but she will learn, get stronger, and not repeat the same mistake. Children are, for all intents and purposes, meant to be better than their parents. You don't have to be successful, just try to be a better human being, and just by doing that, you're on the right path. I think that was the "lesson" here, because comparing Chise to her Mom, you can clearly tell which one is more "correct", if there ever was such a thing. Moving on to the matter of Mathew, I think he was mentally unstable. His wife was his "anchor". Everyone has that thing that keeps them grounded, safe, feel important and needed. To him, it was his wife. For others, they have their friends, family, hobbies, fans, company, coworkers, and of course wife. But all Mathew had was his wife. So when she was ill, and he was afraid of losing her, he was literally losing his "life". Just as Chise realizes she cares for someone else more than herself, Mathew did as well. When he was approached by Cartaphilus, he was already desperate. When he was told to kill cats, keep in mind that he (like most people, especially in this time and setting) cared for humans > animals, and not as equal. Of course you love your dog, but it was (and still is) easy to not think of cats as "intelligent beings", and therefore have "rights". Cartaphilus, telling him he can "save his world" by slaying a cat or two meant everything to him. The first cat was probably excruciatingly painful for a "kind" and "gentle" man like himself, but everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) can get used to doing anything. He got used to the killing and it became normal for him. That with Cartaphilus constantly talking to him and influencing him, I think that he had been "corrupted" and was, at the point we see him, even capable of killing other humans to save his wife. I mean, if you've already killed a hundred cats and know you're doomed to hell, whats one more to the mounds he's already created? Keep in mind, some people will do ANYTHING to save their significant other (SO from now on). Most of us have common sense, morals and ethics that keep us from doing the unimaginable, but for Mathew he slowly turned to the other side (from what I could see) and those restraints were slowly but surely loosened to the point to where they no longer existed. I think that Mathew was obsessed with this wife, and that it was this weakness that caused him to turn. But anyone who has seen their SO suffer for as long as badly for all those years as he had, would do anything to relieve the pain, if only slightly. But it was nowhere near what was apparent near the end. If Cartaphilus had not been included in the incident, she would have probably died, and I don't believe Mathew would have killed himself or anything, merely become a husk of his prior self. You know that old angry guy/woman who used to have a SO in most neighborhoods? They are usually really crusty and irritating? That's what would have become of that relationship. But being in a "magical" world, I think that the author wanted us to see the "extremes" of this relationship. Same goes for the succubus. I don't think she meant any ill to the man, she just wanted to be near him. Keep in mind, in many stories, being immortal does not make you wise or mature. Just older. The Succubus seemed another depiction of "your middle/high school girl/guy friend who's just a friend, but you don't realize they mean a lot more to you than you think they do, and (for the sake of simplifying things, I'm going to say it's the "guy" who is oblivious in this case, and he represents the succubus) the girl realizes her feelings for the guy, but also knows the guy only views her as a friend, doesn't take the first step because she knows it will ruin the relationship, but it also hurts her knowing she can't tell the guy how she feels. That is until either they hook-up with someone else, or some crazy accident happens where one of you is left in the hospital and you finally realize how you feel? It's like that. Except in this case, neither ever hooked up with another person, because in this extreme version of the relationship, they have no way of communicating, and the succubus is LITERALLY hurting the man, but she doesn't realize this because she is so in love, but again, refuses to acknowledge the love. (I've been in this specific position before. It was very awkward for me because I told the girl FROM THE GET GO, I saw her only as a friend. She had a boyfriend at the time, and she told me. Eventually after a lot of stuff happened, she asked me out, and I turned her down. Looking back today, she was (and I thought this at the time as well) an awesome person, but at the time (and even now) I don't think we could have made things work. We were too different, and it would have only been a 2 week fiasco. But, like you've probably already heard a million times, "It's better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all". Oh, that was the second time. (I've experienced it 3 times, Jesus) The first time, the girl was the succubus in the relationship, and I loved her since elementary, but she clearly did not return the sentiment, as she was in love with another guy who never reciprocated the love. When I finally moved on, she realized her feelings for me. We tried to make things work, but she went on to a different University entirely, and being separated by hundreds of miles, we, unofficially (as in in a very awkward, with no talking sort of motion) decided to break things off. (She is the reason I turned the one mentioned above, down) Still don't regret it. The author is bringing up these relationships and putting them in this world. In a world that is as extreme as it is, love is still very much a thing, and important, but as the world gets more complicated, so does love, and he is trying to show us this. When the whole point of the show is love, and Chise trying to learn what it is and if hers is real, the show throws us these, both to the audience and Chise, and we grow and learn "together". That's the point of these scenes. From my limited and small amount of experience of ACTUALLY being IN a relationship, and not the teetering and tottering of "does she like me", "I don't think she likes me", or maybe "I don't think I have the balls to ask her out", all I can say is that: Love is about accepting your SO. The best parts of them, the worst parts of them, and all the while living together (sharing your company). You can be utterly disgusted with each other, and madly in love, and all the while teaching, growing, and supporting each other. Because when the whole world turns on you, and everything has gone downhill, you're SO will have your back. And you will have theirs. And if they don't, you may want to reconsider partners.

@NoirAngel XD She said she's moving on and letting go. That means that her mother no longer holds power over her. Maybe it's a religioud thing, but not forgiving someone doesn't mean they are letting then hold power over them anymore, at least in my eyes. In my eyes, some things are absolutely unforgivable. To me at least. Maybe a higher being than I will forgive them, but I wouldn't. But to me, if someone did something absolutely unforgivable, i will never forgive. But I also will not hold on to that grudge, if it makes sense. I will move on with my life, let go of that person pestering my thoughts, but no, I wouldn't forgive. Maybe that is also what Yamazaki was going for here. To break the common "oh if you can't forgive that means you'll never move on and will always be held down by them" myth. Maybe for some people it is like that, but for me, I will be able to move on and not let someone to hold me down without forgiving them. Because some acts are unforgivable. But again, maybe forgivance is jusg a religious thing. Or cultural. Who knows. But my point is that just because she isn't forgiving doesn't mean she's letting that woman hold any power over her anymore. Maybe it's different in your eyes, but this is how I see it. That Kore Yamazaki tells us you can move on and let go without forgiving the unforgivable. Make any sense? Sorry, long comment >

Ram Kitten think aboiäut what Elias went through, he is just a shadow of a human being(he was human before acirding to the manga)

That's not what the Anime Awards believe-oh I'm sorry. The My Hero AMV Show.

True there. I have nothing against MHA, I like it, but they gave them too many entries. Plus, as far as anime goes, we haven't even gotten to good parts. Real talk, if Chise is not best girl of 2018 or/and best hero, we should really riot.

Ram Kitten Best Hero Id give it to her for now, but Best Girl will be a tough one. People are going ham over 002 from Darling in the Franxx.

This anime shows issues of depression amazingly, making her struggle believable, making her overcome both internal and external issues in a badass while also making her super cute and sometimes funny; objectively, no one can beat her for those two. I will fight people on this. Her character is like a breath of fresh air due to how uncliche she is. Though, then again, if CR will allow one anime get +3984723 entrees again, it would be hard to win o~o Each anime can have only one entree in one category, simple.

Somethng i never been able to understand. Not forgiving someone yet letting go of the pain and not punishing the one who caused it. At that point ya might aswell forgive.

Seems kinda harsh to compare Chisa's mom to The man who brutally killed Katara's mom. Besides Katara ended up forgiving Zuko.

@@destroyerblackdragon getting strangled almost to death seems pretty brutal to me

@@Carolinacaveman it's more like you don't let person to feel forgiven while letting go of pain , you might also still keep lesser extent of not liking them because you never forgave them.... I guess something like that .

@@Carolinacaveman It's not really forgiveness if you don't mean it though. Like, if someone does something to me, I can let it go because it's not like I can go back in time and undo it, there's no point in bickering for what's already happened, BUT will leave it clear they lost my trust/respect from then on.

MrDibara Yea not the biggest Greyjoy fan but I totally get what you mean!

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Coco Spike12 Humpf. :) Wrong, little wolf. *Winter is here.* :)

The saying “what can’t break you makes you stronger” really does apply here.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Which is why you should always finish the job.

Chey it actually makes sense in this context, since right now she is really mad at him

Daniel Pimenta ;; She’s still mad at him in the manga but she makes it known she still cares for him (Elias) and needs him regardless of is she’s angry at him. Maybe in the anime they’re saving it for the big moment. 😱 either way this scene was powerful and to see Chise overcome her “curse” was beautiful.

Makes sense, but well, he just tried to kill a human being, you know?

Daniel Pimenta ;; True he did, but the manga clears it all up. :) they just released the newest chapter this morning.

Daniel Pimenta yeah he did try to kill her friend. So she is still pissed at him

i am sorry for your loss and the suffering you may have endured.

that is quite an story

I am Sorry for that

i may fall into alcoholism after realising it was a possibility after my mother told me. she has had time to adjust but i have not. i do not wish to bring children into this world but i am very depressed. it is a way of coping that im sure i wouldnt retreat to if i had/have children (if i have children i would have been probably forced to)

Yours is similar to mine, but different. Im currently 18. Mom and dad got married cause they were pregnant with my sister, they loved eachother but mom became depressed after she gave birth to me so 3 months later she left and her alcoholism increased. Leaving the 3 of us alone. They didnt get a divorce since they dont have money for it and cause they dont have lawyers. Few years later we met her, thought she was a normal mom but then we saw her drinking, getting drunk and that's when me and my sister learned that our mom wasn't like any other moms. Years pass by, we developed issues because of her, kept on getting arguments with her, called the cops on her, and cause of those unhappy memories with her we didnt want her to be in our lives anymore. We just wanted her gone. Despite her trying to reconnect with us, we didnt accept it cause the memories we made with her were still affecting us. I think 3 or 4 years ago, she got in a coma because she took xanax and drank it with alcohol. We visited her at the hospital, it was uncomfortable but we visited her anyway. To this day, she's still in a coma but they put her in a medical reduce coma cause I think everytime she wakes up, she freaks out like always. I learned that the reason why I was so harsh with her and wanted her out of my life was cause I hated her, i couldn't easily forgive her for everything that's happened whenever she comes into my life. But I want to try again with her. Idk if she'll make it out of her coma but I still want to try to start over with her.

Totally agree. Best girl ♡

Agreed!

I couldn't agree more

YES! love you Bro, stay safe!

Totally agree, I feel they are really forcing Endeavor redemption arc when he doesnt.deserves it. I mean, he abused and neglected his kids for more than fifteen years, lock his own wife after causing her a mental breakdown, and only started to realize what he did to them after the object of his obsession (all might) dissapear , not even his own son death (touya) stopped him from continuing the abuse and i really dont like how the fandom now is really praising him for just "not abusing" his family anymore, i mean, acknowledge and apologize for abusing your kids is the bare minimum you own them... THE BARE MINIMUM...and now mainly because Hawks idolization of him all the fandom is like "uhhh but he is sorry, shoto should forgive him and Touya is the one at fault"...😮‍💨 I mean that mean doesnt deserve neither praise or forgiveness no matter how talented as a hero he is. And i really find disturbing the relationship that the fandom has with him and Hawks 😔

@@alanmellado938 Yep. Ditto on all points.

@@alanmellado938 As much as I understand your sentiments I do disagree. I don’t think Endeavor has done just the bare minimum when it comes to his redemption. Endeavor hates himself for what he did to his family (as he should he was terrible) and can hardly stand living with himself for all the horrible things he’s done. There’s nothing else for him to do except beg for forgiveness which he also does. I think it’s realistic to just sometimes forgive people but I also think it’s realistic for some people to never forgive their abuser. Both situations are okay and both situations happen. Endeavor does deserve his redemption 100% Also it think it’s important to note that the whole Toya situation is not entirely his fault. Touya also had issues and so did Rei.

​@Alan Mellado Lol. Characters have done way worse in anime and gotten a redemption arch.

Didn't it take him time to forgive him though? The only one who seemed to let him in rather quickly were his mom and sister.

I know it's not much but this internet stranger sends you a hug

@@GamingFoodie Hopefully I can do animation video about her.

she sounds like a pathetic excuse for a mother. she doesnt deserve your forgiveness

KanaHyoshi SAME, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA BECAUSE THE MANGA HASN'T UPDATED PAST THIS POINT.

Cussundria Kneal I KNEW I WASN'T CRAZY!! I NEED THEM TO UPDATE THIS MAN!! How'd the anime catch up to the manga..

Starie Tiger I heard the manga had a lot of dialogues and chapters that took some time yet didn't REALLY move the plot onwards. So my guess is they decided to either skip them or just make very brief cameos about them. Remember that Winter scene where Chise Elias and Ruth were collecting ingredients on the woods, but then they suddenly hide because a centaur-looking god passes by with a pregnant goddess mounted on him? Yeah, people told me that that was originally a tense scene where Elias made this whole explanation on how old gods are immensely powerful and also umpredictable, and should you end up upsetting them, even by accident, their punishment would be too extreme. So it was best to just avoid contact with them, to prevent the worse from happening. EDIT: (I finished bedore I finished, I'm an idiot) Well then, that was left out in the anime. Like, just a passing moment. I wonder if, maybe, they couldn't bring those storylines back until the manga has gone forward? But the problem is, if they do that NOW, anime only watchers will think they're adding filler episodes. XP Man! What a mess!

In the anime it does change bck

Spoiler She keeps his eye. The curse in his eye keeps the curse of her arm in check. At least, that’s how I understood it when I was reading the manga...

Zike NO NO NO NO NO NO TOO SOON

*snap*

@@specialgamer0072 WAY TWO SOON YOU TWO ARE DETERMINED TO CAUSE ME PAIN

@@Hino_Has_Trauma 😂 I'm sorry

Damm! I knew someone was going to say that! XD

A strong "woman". Women is plural.

Oh please just don't make it an alternate ending because that would fuck everything up

Kiiro Aki the manga just updated so I AIN'T SAYING JACK!!!! 😊

Omg thank you!

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The cliffhanger on the new chapter though O_O I have a feeling it will be the same cliff hanger for the last episode of season 1 of the Anime. Well I'm hoping it is because then it's more likely for season 2 :)

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I pressed pause a lot to “keep my composure”

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@@Le_petiteprince thanks 😊 😊 ❤️

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Yes in late 2021 or at the beginning of 2022

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Mizuki Koneko-chan but I mean wasn't that technically the "mom" in her head, not her actual mom? So it's not like her actual mom really was sad or happy, it was just the one inside her head? Idk

It wasn't really her mom, it was a dark image of her mother in her mind that, essentially, represented her depression and bad memories.

Oh ok thanks you 2 😄 I kinda skip out on the episodes cuz I don't like the English dub and can only watch clips of the sub so I didn't know that was just her imagination of her mom

Mizuki Koneko-chan Try kissanime

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That's harsh she had one moment of weakness and regretted it.

​@@destroyerblackdragon she tried her damn best, didn't you see? She snapped after reaching her limit due to immense stress and cosntantly losing jobs. Yeah, she did something horrible, but she gave her all to Chise for who knows how long. Everyone has limits.

You mean the leanan sidhe?

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@@Le_petiteprince thank you

Poppy! It's the same flowers she remembers when trying magic for the first time in Angelica's shop in episode 2

It’s a misconception that you have to forgive the person who hurt you to move on you really don’t. Think about it this way if someone murdered someone important to you would you ever forgive that person? No but you’d still try to move on with your life and be happy again this is the same. Chise does not need to forgive her mother for the trauma she inflicted on her to still be ready to move on from it.

@@kamronspencer4910 well actually sometimes yes, some people do forgive family members for killing other family members and some don't, honestly it doesn't really matter as long as YOU are ok with either one

Hollyleaf the vampire cat I mean yeah obviously some people forgive i was mainly just saying though that you don’t have to forgive someone to move on

@@kamronspencer4910 I know, just saying 🙂

@@kamronspencer4910 have a good day/night

I thought I was the only one with this opinion. Glad to see someone else thinking the same. I find it kinda cruel to not forgive the mom, since she did regret her act and since she is already dead anyway. Ok, her suicide may be a sort of way to abandon Chise, but it is also a sort of self-punishment for what she has done. I'm not saying that strangling your child is ok xD just that she was mentally exhausted, she had a moment of weakness that is understandable (again, I'm not saying it's ok to be violent). I'm glad at least that Chise understood that her mother suffered and that she did what she could at that time. And glad she is now able to live for herself.

@@CistudeSuisse On top of all that, it wasn't even entirely her mother. True, people are ultimately responsible for the choices they make, regardless of temptation, and they have to own up to it, but she WAS being tempted by another fae at the time.

Actually, you can move on without forgiving someone. Chise doesn't hate her mother. She loved her, but resented that even after all, she was left alone behind. She understood that her mother did everything she could until she collapsed, but trying to kill your daughter, along with saying that she should not have been born... is not something you can really forget or forgive. Chika's suicide neither. But, considering that staying in the past didn't resolve anything, she decided that it was time to focus on the future that lied ahead with the people that gave her hope in life again.

I remember a time when I hated my mom for all the bad things she did. I was justified in my hatred, and yet I never moved on from it. By the grace of God I was able to finally forgive her. And you know what? All the moments of sadness I feel, all those nights I'd lie in bed remembering everything that happened, the bitterness I felt, all gone. I haven't seen her since we left, and still do not approve of what she did, but I no longer hate her. Even if a person never apologizes for what they did, I think forgiving them is a good thing to do, though it does not mean you have to continue associating with them. It's just a means of really letting go. That's the lesson I learned, and that's my two cents here.

Elias was trying stuff slowly but surely.

After she got the eye from Joseph ( Joseph is immortal) chise also would be immortal

@@Le_petiteprince So she really became immortal? Ah who cares, i ain´t following the story for the plot anyway. It´s just a comfy chillax story.

@@Animefan1803 that's cool and yes she did became immortal also you seem like a cool person

@@Le_petiteprince If you say so mate. Ain´t really care about being cool. Just wanna be comfy and chill

Ali glimmer I don't blame her at all for not forgiving her and it's about time that we got more anime characters like this who are not "door-mats" and not always "forgive and forget". Her own mother tried to kill her, stated herself that she wishes she never gave birth to her and then killed herself in front of her own child leaving her all alone. Some people go through bad things in their lives that they simply can't forget them or the people who caused them. You can move on from that experience and still not forgive that person. It doesn't make you a monster it just shows that you are human.

​@@AngelSky008 true, but it's not like her mother wanted it. She gave her all to Chise for who knows how long. She snapped after reaching her limit due to immense stress. That doesn't justify her action, but she was a victim as well. Show me one human, who will never reach psychological breaking point.

Joey Perez Not even sure of Elias is a "man" even, haha. However, to answer your question, this anime isn't really about the romance aspect. It's a fantasy more than anything.

It's how you look at it. Like how some mystical creatures work like how 10 human years for us Is like 2 years for them, I'm just giving a theory. Or that if the creature is 100 he is grown up, I'm guessing that alias is I don't know how old, something like 100 years old is not old for him but for us humans it is. I'm just giving a theory I don't know either.

He acts like a teenage boy trying to act adult. Hes a monster that doesnt have an age but clearly the mind of a young teenager.

+Joey Perez I think their relationship (Not necessarily romantic) was supposed to show that not all people can be labeled for what role they have in someone's life. Chise regards Elias as a father, a lover, and a mentor. The relationships she has with many people reflect that. Something as simple as the word 'friend' could not capture the true nature of the relationship. It is super deep and touching. I recommend watching it!

In the show they portray him as a young teen. Every one seems to talk /treat him that way. He is just a big beast of a guy.

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