MovMax Razor and Tilta Hydra Alien compare | BeeS View 

Your welcome mate, always makes me happy to know my content did help videographers

The time Tilta released the Hydra there were not much alternatives around for small budget and to run with light payload. Lot of car video guy, like myself, though this is a groundbreaking unit until we all used it and get frustrated. I still have the hydra and with my damper mod I use it for some special upright overslung shoots that the N2 and Razor can’t do.

I’m sure you will be happy with the Razor and the results out of it

how is it so far?

Just unmount the lower plate were the universal base mount it screwed on and turn the base plate by 180 degrees.

Mine has a locating screw that lock it in one way. That’s the only way it will mount

@@victortalley sounds strange, normal the 180 turn of the base mount should not be any issue. There is a Movmax WhatsApp group for Razor and N2 arms. Email me for a link to that. There I can better help with pictures etc

We checked that with lawyers. There are only two types of things you can attach to a car. 1st are parts that follow/fit/improve main function. Things like wheels, spoilers etc that are permanent connected to the car. Those need an E number and TÜV. Everything else not permanent attached and easy remove able counts as load. So a rig need to follow the law and guidance of load/Ladung. Any front mounting therefore is not allowed to protect pedestrians. If you still do so it up to the police to judge if you put someone in danger or it is just a fail against “Ladung ragt nach vorne”. It costs 20€.

Thanks for the praise. You will need to add the external DJI GPS module to the Ronin to mitigate this behavior

No, both systems do not share equalities for connections or baseplates attachments

Hehe I just bought one to do some reels haha

@@DaniDo you will be happy with it

Hi Sebastian, das GPS hilft sehr sobald die Ronins schneller als normal gehen bewegt werden. Ohne GPS verliert das Ronin den Horizont in Kurven und erzeugt stotternde Bewegungen beim nachführen der PAN Achse. Mit oder ohne macht nen großen Unterschied am Car Rig

Hi Dennis, for the movmax pro head there is an adapter needed to attach it to the hydra. I did one prototype of that, you can find it on my insta. In order to run the pro head smooth you need to have some payload/weight below. It does not run good with lightweight setups.

​@@BeeSView I am running a light setup (A7IV with 24-105) and with the weight of two vMounts batteries and my mods I am getting pretty good results. But there is still a lot of bouncing side to side and forward and back of the gimbal. With the lightweight vibration Isolator from Tilta it was even worse than my self-made one. I guess to get rid of that you need damping in those axis. I guess switching to the Razor will be the better solutions then modding the hydra.

@@dennisdoerr that would my recommendation in this scenario. The only situation that I use the Hydra is upright, overslung on the hood into the car is sitecar. Those are very rare things to capture for me

Hey, that setup will be to light for the original dampers and to heavy for the soft rubber band based head

@@BeeSView Ok thanks man! I think I will add some weight to the setup and use the original dampers. I hope that the Ronin S3 Pro doesnt break with the movement haha.

@@hectormora3809 there are softer versions of the original silver dampers available, you might want to experiment with those. As well removing the one in the middle did help some guys was well a bit. I have the softer ones but never really tried them out as I developed my own dampening unit for the Hydra

Movmax does not sell the Razor or N2 starhead separately. The have now the movmax pro head separately but that does not fit for light cameras. Even changing the head still leave the lead for adding weigh on top or the hydra so the arm self works properly

@@BeeSView It is not true. You can buy MOVMAX N2 shock absorbing kit separately.

@@pognerebkofilm you can’t buy the N2 starhead separately. Only the pro head is sold separately

If you run a setup with medium weight the Razor is the better option to go for, yes. The hydra arm apart from the dampening needs a high amount of weight below to start working properly

If you want a solid solution without the need for heavy modifications yes I recommend to buy the Razor

@@BeeSView And if you don't mind heavy modifications, the Tilta has more versatile mounting hardware?

@@joshrainey3982 for mounting the Razor is more flexible to match shapes of the cam car. The only thing the Hydra can is overslung/upright like from the bonnet into the car or side car into the car without the arm.

Always depending a bit on the setup. I’m ahead to post the next video tutorial about the initial setup and use of the air shock based arms. It can have plenty or reasons why your result is shaky. Maybe good it you join the Movmax WhatsApp group or the Movmax & Dji Ecosystem Users Group on Facebook to help you get your results smooth

@@BeeSView thank you! It’s our 2nd time running it and I think that’s our main problem look forward to seeing the next video! Thank you for your help!

Yea I’m having similar issues and contacted. Movmax but they don’t seem to be helping much

@@codenamecoyote5349 we had a lot of success by using a Y lens mount on the front of our gimbal and a small ratchet / tie down on the lens to hold it on the Y mount! Hope this helps you !

The Razor is more turnkey, up to 7kg payload it does outrule the Hydra