Another point I hope they touch on is that although Moxxie is head over heels for Millie, she is the living embodiment of everything Moxxie is insecure about himself. She is strong, self sufficient, secure, and had a loving family and happy childhood. She has everything he wants. I think the episode managed to touch on this without Moxxie actually realizing that’s what the issue is. Because, he’s not mad AT Millie specifically (at least in their falling out), he’s more mad at himself and the teenagers and he’s projecting that onto her.
Exactly! Moxxie spent ages making up a character and tried to be loved by the teens at the camp, but it completely backfires, so then he unleashes his frustrations on the person who he loves the most. I wouldn't say this episode is character assassination for Moxxie, more that he got rightfully angry, but vented at it to the wrong person.
He comes from an incredibly uncaring household. He's so cripplingly insecure and starved for any kind of validation that when blitz offers him a way to (in moxxies mind) prove his worth just to be beaten down and ridiculed once again he just acts blindly and irrationally not seeing how he is hurting Millie in the process. BUT they communicate and he changes his behavior accordingly and apologizes to her which is the important part. Still the most wholesome couple. (I also think that to moxie its so blatantly obvious that Millie is the absolute best ((like what you said the embodiment of all he wants to be)) that it doesn't even occur to him that she could be insecure too or that she doesn't feel adequately appreciated either sometimes) Anyways.
Yeah I do think the reason he is so head over heels for her is because millie is practically everything he wishes he was. She is quite literally his ideals and idol. And I think he does project on her and lives through her, based on the fact that he said why does it matter that the campers like millie, which was actually something that applied to him not millie.
If this was the Millie centered episode, then I'm disappointed. Miliie's moment where she talks about how she finally gets recognition for something other than slaughter comes out of nowhere. All we knew about her before was that she had a loving family. She is so brutally underdeveloped. This would make sense if we had more backstory of her.
Well she comes from a large family with a lot of siblings and who's to say she wasn't the middle child amongst them? Always being ignored and passed over in favor of her siblings, never being good enough so she resorts to violence and mass slaughter to try and get her parent's attention, gaining a taste for it later on. After all, in Harvest Moon Festival they spent most of their time talking down to her: "We know ya ain't been making that much since ya went freelance.", "your sister doesn't have a neighborhood headcount.", "I can't believe you let him trap you Millie.", "we taught you better Millie.".
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 "Always being ignored and passed over in favor of her siblings, never being good enough so she resorts to violence and mass slaughter to try and get her parent's attention, gaining a taste for it later on." See, this is what I would have liked to see from actual episodes. As it stands this is nothing more than speculation/fan theory. As for the latter half of what you said: Yes, that's true but I would still like to see more than this sort of behavior being implied by Millie's parents.
"getting recognized for something other then slaughter" which is funny cause in the episode where they meet millies family theres a scene where Millie is expressing that she wants to be known for violently slaughtering people.
I was a bit upset when he put his happiness over Millie’s. In truth seekers she was willing to kill hundreds just to protect him and he gets mad when she is liked by preteens
I another thing that got annoyed is this was supposed to be Wire episode but we barely got see her because the creator keeps doing side plots to story that doesn’t even matter
So you want characters to be one dimensional? People dont always act the same. Sometimes best friends and partners get petty and they fight cuz of some dumb shit. Not everything is always perfect. But yeah I dont think Mox was out of his charcater in this ep its just that we saw imperfect side of him (what all of us have so its normal)
@@haruhikari2424eh, moxxie was annoying sure but it's in character imo. For the reasons said in the video. Because of his insecurities he felt like he was competing with Millie and she's so endlessly, gracefully supportive and accommodating that it didn't even occur to him what he was doing to her until she blew up at him. It happens sometimes even in healthy relationships. The second he actually realized he started supporting Millie with all his hard and apologized for being a dingbat. He never wanted to hurt Millie but he was blinded by his own need to fulfill his ego. It feels pretty in character to me
What's funny about this episode, and Sarcastic Chorus says this in the beginning of the video as well, is that it believes it's the first time Millie gets the spotlight. But, no. The episode is *about* Millie being in the spotlight, but ironically, the story still sidelines her. It's more about Moxxie's insecurities and Blitz's sister as the B story. More than anything, Millie becoming popular was a plot point for Moxxie's arc. So this episode has me convinced that Vivzie/writer(s?) dont really know what to do with her other than action sequences or cute M&M moments
literally couldnt agree more. I was so confused and waiting for more because this was supposed to be her episode but she was once again just overshadowed. this needed so much more set up
agreed. there has been an episode on Octavia (which i'm not mad about, good episode) but not one of the 4 main characters. at this point it feels like milly is a prop for moxie rather than her own character 90% of the time and that sucks. I want to see a millie episode at some point.
Which is understandable since it’s just them. I wouldn’t know what to do with her without input from a bunch of other people… legit suggesting anything rests my case… But I actually like that working in a group to iron out the details and connect an over arching plot together works so well. Mind, you don’t want a too many cooks situation or anything, but having a larger team of people to connect the dots with can be helpful. Scope out plot holes, switch up story focuses, and expand or obscure story details.
I wish they didn't feel pressured by everyone to write for Millie because they clearly don't want to lmfao. And tbh that's fine. I never got the reason why people were so mad she's a static character? Those exists and Millie in season 1 was just that. Them trying to intentionally force development on her is really lame because they literally prove they don't want to do it and they end up just making it about Moxxie in the end. If they want to flesh out the other 3 and just have Millie be there, why couldn't they have just... stuck with that instead of making such an unnaturally paced episode?
“He would walk on hot coals if it meant someone..thought just a little bit more of him.” Moxxie literally did that very thing, within this very episode, with that exact purpose in mind. Well, it was actually Moxxine; & she literally just stood in a campfire, but no one seemed to care!
I'm so sad the Barbie plot got sidelined so hard. I love her design both as human and imp and she seemed interesting. I hope her comeback isn't bad like Strikers
I believe this was meant to be the episode to set up her character, hence why it was only a sideline. Like how Fizz having beef with Blitzo was a setup for his character in Loo Loo Land.
@@Your_Mom498 Well Im sure it all follows a plan and we will be introduced to their backstories sooner or later. It was intentional to put blitz and barbie on the sidelines for this episode and I have a feeling we will get an episode(s) where we understand why they did this
I think my problem is that Moxxie always has to learn the same lesson: “Be more confident in yourself, stop being insecure.” I loved that Millie got more time to shine this episode but it felt like it came at the cost of Moxxie’s character regressing.
I enjoy how so many people just assume its possible to get over personal insecurities and lack of confidence in the timespan of a single episode. It's so stupid it hurts. Seriously, it takes time and multiple efforts to build up to that, and it doesn't help that so many characters keep putting him down quickly whenever he does get some confidence.
He's been learning the lesson of self-confidence, but he's never had the lesson of stepping aside for someone else. He's praised Millie in what she does because he never felt like he had to compete with her or that her skills ever downplayed what he had going. Their skills have always complimented one another, him with guns and her with close combat. Like SC said, when you look back at the episode and what's come before, it makes sense. Moxxie's put the two of them in a situation where they are both on the 'same' level, social espionage, and Millie is beating him. He's meant to be leading the investigation (in his head), and Millie finds it out in 5 minutes. He tries winning people over with music and fails spectacularly while Millie crushes it. She's doing better at things he's actively trying at, which has never happened in the show. Personally, I still liked Moxxie's character this episode because to me it just emphasized that he's always been a diva, and being called out on it by Millie helped it not become a bitter pill to swallow.
I fully agree. Moxxie must be put down for Millie to be put up because we can't have two good characters together??? It happens a lot in shows where originally two people are in a relationship and only one of them is allowed to be complex
Honestly the problem isn't that Moxie's behavior is unusual, it's that him doing it to Millie is so sudden. Outside of the pilot, he has never let his insecurity turn on her like that. Not even in small ways. Her outshining him isn't new and he's usually just as starstruck as everyone else. It just feels weird.
The only reason I can give, is that this was Moxxie’s first mission as a leader, and he was taking too much pride in his efforts and wanting to be successful. He let the thought of just HIM succeeding go to his head, and let his insecurities lash out when Millie start getting the spotlight; being desperate to gain the attention she was getting and wanting to solve the case his way instead of her’s., when normally he wouldn’t do that. It was a moment of insecurity and weakness on his part, and since it was just the two of them, he vented all his frustrations towards her. Was he wrong? Yes. But I’m glad he was called out by her and apologized/fixed his behavior.
I feel like if anything, Moxxie is well aware how much physically stronger and more capable Millie is compared to him. Instead, I think it's that since Moxxie is the theater kid between the two of them with the musical and acting experience, watching his wife have an easier time convincing the campers she's human and winning them over rubbed Moxxie the wrong way. Because that's supposed to be his area of expertise. Instead it's a blow to his confidence and that's what caused him to snap at her.
While I do think Moxxie’s attitude towards Millie was a bit out of the blue, in character it kinda makes sense for him. He came from a father that never cared for him, wanting validation even if it was from Bliz of all people and feeling in the shadow of Striker when it came to the approval of Millie’s own parents. The one reason I feel he never exploded like this before was Millie, she was always there to give him support and confort because she was never the focus. In the episode we finally see her in the spotlight and Moxxie for the first time really is alone. Both are justified in there feelings and in the argument we can definitely tell Moxxie is projecting but yeah that’s my take on the situation. Also I think half the fandom thought Blizo was sneaking in to see Stolas so your not alone lol
I also think the reason Moxxie actually lashed out at Millie and no one else is bc hes very comfortable with her and showing his true feelings. not saying that his lashing is valid, but when youre close and comfortable with someone, its easier to do that
See, this is the shit i look for. I read the title of the video, and if i think its stupid, over the top, or in my opinion just wrong, i go through the comments to find something like this. Reasonable, calm opinion and view, and its something that i can fully see and agree with.
The Moxxie vs Millie dynamic was not gradual enough in my opinion. It needed more time to build up, especially since we’ve only seen nothing but passion between them.
This episode was disappointing because Moxxie being the butt of the joke is getting old. Legitimately, Moxxie’s biggest win so far is him casually killing those wrath imps at the gas station in Western Energy by himself and without his guns no less. Yet, it was just a background joke. Meanwhile, whenever he gets the chance to prove himself, he constantly fails and gets bailed out of trouble by his wife despite the fact that we know he is competent at both long-range and, with that last example, close-range combat. As for Millie not seeing herself as anything special, I think that part of it stems from her coming from a large family, which would mean each individual child getting less attention overall even when the parents try their hardest to give them each their moments. If Millie is the oldest, she may have grown up prioritizing the needs of everyone else since, as the oldest child, she may have felt that she had a responsibility for her siblings and developed a strong maternal aspect to her personality that now extends to her husband who lost his mother at an early age. Edit: I just remembered that Millie also grew up in a low-income family as alluded to in the second episode when she mentions how going to Loo Loo Land was a rare treat when the family had the money. This can further contribute to her not feeling too particularly special because she probably had to share almost everything with her siblings because money was too tight for each child to each have all of their own stuff and things like clothes and toys were usually hand-me-downs.
I mean he values her a lot and makes her feel appreciated and special. I do agree though that it would be nice to see an episode where we see why she loves him so much, and the episode could be from her perspective too. Like it could show us what aspects of her personality, wants and desires that Moxxie complements
Kinda feels like one of those scenes where Millie is doing some mundane and she bumps into someone on accident, that person makes a scene and then Moxxie standing off to the side lists all the stupid things the person did that lead up to Millie bumping into them and then Mox flashes his gun to ensure they leave Millie alone.
@@CrashPG3D I know she got in trouble at the town games and they don't support her life choices, but did they reject her? They seemed to care enough when she was on the farm even if they were scolding her for not being careful enough, which is what parents do. I truly may be forgetting something..
Honestly I can understand Moxxie lashing out at Millie. In every other episode she either completely overshadows him with her pure unadulterated lethality, saves his butt or both. So this is the first time that not only is he put in charge but he’s put in charge of something that should involve skills he’s good at (deductive reasoning), and Millie immediately beats him on that. Then when she gives him time to solve the case his way she effortlessly wins over the campers while he doesn’t. And in the end not only does she solve the case she’s actually the one that kills the target. Blitz doesn’t cost Barbie her job, her contact killing his coworker sets in motion the chain of events that costs her her job. Millie seeing herself as ordinary while Moxxie thinking he should be the best tracks with their upbringing. Millie is just a down-home country girl at heart who was never anything special, while Moxxie is the son of one of the biggest mob bosses in Hell. When Mox was a teenager for real his social group was probably quick to adore him, because as the boss’s son getting on his good side was smart.
Millie being perfect undermines her character so much, they can't write a story for her that doesn't involve other people being the problem. She has no conflict what so ever because she can do everything easily. Solves the case instantly and everyone loves her and can beat up anyone.
Then again - I understand why he was asking her, why she wanted to impress these humans so much. She argues, because it's the first time that anyone ever values her skills outside of killing. And I'm asking myself, has your husband not done that literally every episode? Is his praise not your anchor for everything? There were zero hints I'm aware of in the former episodes, that lead to Millie wanting to be a star or something like that. Imo, you can't form a massive conflict like this between a couple that has been 90% positive towards each other without properly setting it up in their characters.
@@FlameJackstar Agreed, Millie wanting recognition and praise from randoms, humans no less for... being hot in disguise as a guy? Seems such a random impulse desire from her. She isn't bullied at work constantly or made fun of like Moxxie is, her family life isn't terrible, there was no real hint that she was craving such positive attention. If anything all her previous backstory was about her being happy with Moxxie worshiping the ground she walks on and that being enough for her. The whole story feels weird because its like they got the plot priority back to front. What should of been a side story about M&M cross dressing and blending in with humans became the main story, and Blitzo's family reunion was pushed to a side plot and over shadowed massively.
@@defiante1 I wouldn’t say she’s perfect, just like Moxxie she basically forgets about the mission because she likes the attention. As much as she berates Moxxie for not gathering information to investigate their target she is never shown doing that either. Granted she’s certain she’s right about the counselor so she doesn’t see the point in actually helping Moxxie gather information.
i agree, I’ve had pretty much the same kind of relationship tbh. A boyfriend that would love bomb me. but be extremely insecure, to the point where I also had to keep reassuring him. And I was happy to do it. But just like in this episode, when I needed to feel special, I always ended up feeling bad, because my boyfriend would take my success as his failure. which I never really saw when we were together, but I could see after.
It's easy to forget that they've only been married for a year. Like, until Ozzie's episode I'd just assumed they'd always been together, like childhood sweethearts. But since they've only just celebrated their 1-year anniversary, it's not that surprising that there are still insecurities they haven't shared with each other. I get the sense that Moxxie had no idea Millie could have ANY self-esteem issues until she snapped back at him here, because he's always been too wrapped up in his own baggage. Still, wish we got more; I hope this is the start up a shake-up in their dynamic, where Moxxie learns to be more emotionally supportive like she's been of him. (rn he's been her hype-man, but that's not the same)
@@slothbunny3382 We know Moxx was single when he met Blitzø/joined IMP, but in fairness we don't know how long he's worked there. But they couldn't have known each other before they started working together, the mystery is was there a period of them just being colleagues/friends before getting together? Never even considered that, but yeah as you said, doesn't FEEL like it could've been all that long.
Something that Finn the Pony mentioned in his recent review of the episode was that the end would’ve been the perfect way to foreshadow the Dhorks coming back! With Millie being a human celebrity they could’ve gotten suspicious and compared her to the footage that they already had and see right through her disguise! It would’ve been a much better ending than the one we got, something just felt… missing.
I'm just burnt on Moxxie not being able to ever shine without getting shat on or overshadowed. He's not the insecure character that needs development anymore, he's the punching bag that needs a break.
Yeah totally agree I think that the idea itself is interesting, but it is very much my entire issue with helluva interesting ideas but even though we are progressing it doesn't feel like it due to by the number jokes and no real change in characters
Fully agree with this, it broke my fucking soul in Exes and Oh's when he had that awesome stand-off with crimson and the "i'll show you just how good i've gotten at my job" only to just get tazed and have all the coolness nullified. Just give him a break or even one cool moment. just one
Yes, but it makes sense when you realize that Blitzo is such a loser whose got nothing going in his life that the reason he craps on Moxxie is because he hates himself and is full of self loathing. Both him and Luna are damaged people who use insult and anger as a defense mechanism and shield to put others down to make themselves feel better and so they both pick on Moxxie because he’s an easy target It says far more about Blitzo than Moxxie.
M&M deserve better. Millie deserves a real episode with real growth. Moxie deserves to not be a source of tension and to be shown as a capable source of support for Millie like she does him; not.. whatever this episode was.
@@mxth_114agreed I’ve no problem with him be the comic relief from time to time but spread it to the other characters is it to much for blitzo, loona, and Millie be the butt of the joke sometimes.
Literally every single moxxie episode is "stop being insecure, be sure of yourself" and I'm starting to get sick of it. Millie never has probkems or needs to grow or have a lesson learned. She is already perfect, mature, and capable. Her insecurities, her downsides, her pains are never addressed. I don't think Millie has EVER gotten the chance to have flaws and be sad.
@@joshsaunders6392 So true. Like, in every episode, we have Moxxie being clumsy/dumb/pathetic/naive/weak etc. and Millie, who's always perfect, never messes up, always outshines Mox in every way possible, and fucks everyone who dares to cross her up. It's getting tiring. And I'm really not saying this to be hateful
@@LunarStarlightsArt Completely Agree. The fact that you felt the need to include "and I'm really not saying this to be hateful" is a good example of how people can't even point these things out without having to preemptively defend themselves
most of HB season 2 episodes have a plot A and a plot B, and in most of these, one of the plots is interesting and the other is,, ehh, letting one or another being overshadowed. or both are important but they overlap too much and end up focusing in neither of them
The thing that rubs me the wrong way is: This episode is designed to shit on Moxxie. And in order to do so they have to sacrifice the competence of two characters. First: Millie. Millie understands Moxxie's insecurities. She knows how to get around them. What is being sacrificed here is exactly that: Her emotional awareness. On the one hand: She understands Moxxie wants to prove himself and goes along with it. But somehow she is oblivious to the fact that her hogging in all the spotlight and pandering to those who treat her husband like garbage, would affect Moxxie? Untill he blows up? And her comeback to that is ... that he doesn't support her? No. I agree with Sarcastic Chorus here: Her response should have been: "Why do YOU care about what they think?". Instead she chastises the man who worships the ground she walks on, who in his only two moments of bravery stands up to her father and his own father, where he belittles himself and praises Millie. THAT man, she acuses of being unsupportive. And yes: She is right in this instance, but she generalises, which comes across as if SHE is the one who can not handle her husband for once not worshiping her every move. And I don't think that is the intention behind her character. But it is a sideeffect of destroying the other half of M&M. Second: The other Half of M&M. Moxxie. Yes it makes sense he is jellous of Millie. But let us look at what exactly is happening here: Millie is (as allways), better than Moxxie. Every single trait which Moxxie wants to establish for himself, gets handed to Millie for free at the cost of Moxxies competence. Being good with disguises? Millie is better without trying. Moxxie fails. Detective work? Moxxie can not even start to show what he can do, because Millie solves it on accident. Music? Nope, Moxxie sucks and Millie is better. Fighting? Millie is stronger than Moxxie, better at dodging and can actually hit her opponent. Moxxie, the supposed good sniper, misses nearly every shot he makes throughout the show. Oh and Millie again kills Moxxie's target here without trying. And that brings me to the next piece of Moxxie's Character which gets highlighted here and then quickly brushed aside: Obsessive planning. Let me paint the picture: We have a character known for trying to plan every detail, who is really bad at close combat. He would obsess over any detail and bring useless stuff just in case. Ofcourse this character, who may I remind you: sucks at close combat, would ofcourse not forget to bring the most important thing: The weapon. Instead he brings a knife to a possible gunfight. Why? Just so we can watch the universe (or more accurately: The writers) shit on this character. Meg from family guy has more wins than Moxxie. Watch these final scenes again. Not Blitz, but rather Moxxie. He failed AGAIN, like every episode so far. No serriously: I went back. The man has not had a single Win in the entire show. At best he cleans up his own mess, at worst he is being used as a punchline or bait for Millie to resque. Time and time again this character gets beaten into the dirt by his boss, his family or just the universe itself. Now he has the opportunity to finally prove himself and what happens? It is being ruined again through a sheer coincidence which hands the kill to Millie for free. Moxxie. Was. Worthless. And that is when Moxxie sielently breaks down, hands in his face. He then returns to Millie, saying "YOU did it". He is back in his role as Millies praising device. Belittleing himself again while doing so. And to then drive that point home even further: The episode ends on Blitz appearently praising him, which momentarily gets him out of that state only to reveal the exact opposite. It is like crippling a puppy by driving over it, getting out of your car, handing it a treat only to kick the puppy into the next car. It is just not funny anymore. It really feels like the writer actually hate Moxxie ...
People have made fair arguments about how Moxxie's insecurities would cause him to lash out at Millie, but this whole episode just sounds really unpleasant.
There honestly just was no reason for any of what happened, that focus on them trying to prove to literal minors & everything should have been put to them doing investigation and what not to get to their target, working to get info for one but to Viv, THIS horrible and unneeded stuff was what was needed and perfect.
I don't know if this was intentional, but some people have pointed out that Moxxie's extreme perfectionism for this mission may have been due to the client being drowned to death. The same way his mother was murdered.
Interesting take but it sounds more like a coincidence than a plot point since he never seems bothered by it specifically Would have been interesting tho, him trying to make the investigation more complicated than it needs to be in order to prove to himself that couldn't have saved her at that time but can now
I hoped there will be 5 second of him visibly getting anxious while talking with the client or in the summercamp, with a small window into his mind with an afterimage of the lake and all those drowned victims and mobsters
I don’t think moxie was annoyed that people liked his wife more than him, he was annoyed that she was happy with the attention that he wasn’t able to give. He asks about why she cares so much about the attention she’s getting from those preteens, which implies that he’s frustrated that she cares more about them than him. They’re the ones giving her attention, and he’s unable to match it. Instead of trying to correct that he falls into a downward spiral of being frustrated with his shortcomings.
He was literally upset because everything was going wrong for him and he couldn't understand why it came so easy for his wife.. literally anyone would be upset constantly hearing about how well someone is doing when everything seems to be constantly going wrong.. he was petty because he was frustrated that everything was going so wrong no matter how hard he was trying.....
Things going wrong for him isn't Millies fault though. He was completely in the wrong for taking his frustration out on her. When literally all she did was be herself. She wasn't intentionally stealing his thunder. & honestly? If you love someone, it should make you happy that other people notice how amazing they are. Moxxie just gets jealous when it's not a competition. People like Moxxie, are so wrapped up in their own insecurities, that they assume people like millie aren't insecure as well. When they are. Being a millie, who's in a relationship with a moxxie is exhausting.
@@misspopcoin2204Idk why people are acting like that was the real Moxxie, he never would've acted like that and so deserves to feel bad, he was absolutely disgusting especially with that song which hurts me to even start it & hear. None of the stuff was necessary, they both wasted their time and should've got disguises as human adults & do the job, I don't understand why this didn't impact their business because if you're P R O F E S S S I O N A L Assassin's, you don't do this stuff and Moxxie should be fired by not showing he takes this seriously or question why they're wasting their time and making failures, he's just deadweight and a liability at that point.
I think this episode's poor execution of it's ideas really highlights why Millie and Moxxie being glued together at all times is a serious detriment to both of their characters at this point. While the episode put a lot of focus on Millie and tried to give her much needed character development, it was still mostly about Moxxie and his issues. And, once again, Millie getting to shine has to come entirely at Moxxie's expense. Like they can never lift Millie up without dragging Moxxie down. As for Blitz and Barbie, that really needed to be it's own episode. Making it a side plot in this episode was a really bad call and the moments between the Imp Siblings didn't hit nearly as hard as they should have as a result. Seriously the entire second season so far has been one episode after another not quite nail the execution and ultimately fail to live up to it's full potential.
Yes, exactly. I hate it when writers damage one character to lift another up. Millie needed some development, but Moxxie didnt need to be made to be a petty dumbfuck to do it. This episode is the weakest of season 2 for me.
Yeah telling of how big of a flip writers have to do to think about making conflict. It feels like in every second episode moxxie shows how he loves and appreciate millie, he wrote songs for her, he went with her to the most classy, expensive restaurant, he constantly does little things to show how much she means to him, and then writers just agree that he needs to be a little shit for an episode so people forget about how their relationship looked for past two seasons to put in "you don't appreciate me enough" into Millie's mouth
@@superkubus-nk8lb Yeah, I see a few comments here from people acting like Moxxie is so ungrateful for not supporting Millie...but that wasn't a flaw until this episode. It's not that Moxxie has a history of being unsupportive, it's that he doesn't have to be supportive because Millie never wants anything.
I've seen so many "Millie had so much character development this episode!" comments. What character development?! She was literally being herself the whole episode, she was just finally being recognized for being awesome! Her ACTUAL character development got shoved to the side so Moxxie could have a moment AGAIN. Loona and Millie (and maybe Octavia too) need an episode doing something f**king awesome without Moxxie, Blitzo, and Stolas shoving their BS in the way!
It wasn't that Moxxie didn’t validate her, he does that all the time, singing her love songs, telling her how much she means to him, thanking her every time she saves his life etc. The issue that set them to boil here was that she was succeeding at something other than killing She was popular for her skills outside the one her job entails, and while the humans loved her for it, her husband seemed to resent her for it. Meanwhile Moxxie wanted to prove to blitzo that he could do the job on his own, his way and impress him, and it was blowing up in his face, so he got frustrated that Millie was doing her thing while he was trying to do his... Moxxie’s pride gets in the way of him being happy for millie and Millie’s insecurity that her job as one woman killing machine is all she’s valued and good for, was being enforced by Moxxie’s attitude towards her success.
@@superkubus-nk8lb I like ow you think that their relationship must be so solid because they do stuff like that, when most people who’ve been in relationships like these, and including psychologists in this comment section have said, this is how these fights always start. Again the issue is not that Millie isn’t validated, or that they somehow don't love each other suddenly for conflict, It’s that Moxxie because of the need t impress Blitzo, was too busy with his own pride and business to realize how much millie was happy she was being recognized as something other than a killer. Which is something that happens to the best of couples
@@lucasgmdearaujoI do somewhat agree. Millie is always shown as either the best out of M&M or just the best or most badass demon around. I don't think Moxxie should have been put down to put Millie up, especially because she is ALWAYS put up. Yeah, Moxxie can be a whiny bitch occasionally, but this one felt too much
@@JDM-is-my-name That's the issue with Millie in a nut-shell. The poor girl really needs an episode to herself where she's not glued to Moxxie. That way she has more opportunity to be Millie-the-character rather then just Millie-the-wife.
I think the line that says a LOT here is when Moxxie asks Millie during their argument: "Why does it matter so much how these yokels feel about you?" as my immidiate gut reaction was.. That Millie doesn't care what they think, Moxxie is actually the one who cares a SHIT ton what they think of him - He's clearly very much projecting his insecurities onto Millie, and that's just not fair.
It's interesting that this statement implies that he isn't angry because she's getting attention but because she's getting attention from people he deems beneath her
@@airplanes_aren.t_real Very true! I could see this actually developing into an issue down the line, considering Millie is from Wrath, and while Moxxie I believe is also from Wrath, he grew up in Greed, right? We've seen Blitz make fun of Wrathians before, perhaps they are often viewed as less by imps from other rings. Could be Moxxie holds some derogatory or even classist views towards those he considers beneath him (Possibly those from Wrath or Humans).
Can you blame him though? He was kept away from Millie after not only being insulted, but outright ignored after Millie showed up. Additionally, I wouldn't say Moxxie hated Millie, he was just super mad after the kids chewed him out, wrote "BITCH!" on his tent and to top it all off, his wife was popular without even trying!
@@YujiUedaFanyes, we can blame him. He was there to do a job and then got so wrapped up in wanting to be popular that he started mistreating his wife. We can entirely blame him for that, feeling hurt or being mistreated doesn't justify doing it to someone else.
I feel like the moment someone mentioned how the Millie/Moxxie plotline (especially since they were pretending to be siblings) was likely meant to be a subtle explanation to what happened between Barbie and Blitz in the past (her being popular and him being bitter) explained a lot in this episode's writing choices, at least to me. If that WAS to be intentional, it's a neat way to do it, but it's DEFINITELY not something that's easy to pick up on without a line or two confirming that parallel. (And yeah, love some Millie focus but I feel like it would've hit much much more if we started from Millie's POV from the get go rather than Moxxie)
Maybe I'm reading the story wrong, but I don't see this as moxxie having an ego. I see it as him seeking validation. Not an "I'm better than you" thing, but an "I want to be acknowledged" thing
I feel bad for Moxxie, Moxxie had a terrible childhood. All he wanted was acceptance, and in the human world, he’s been called names, like possum etc. and Moxxie also was bullied for being a girl in disguise. You could see how sad he was when blitz called him a disgrace. It was also his first time too
The problem with Blitz and Barbie’s issue being a B Plot is the fact that I don’t really get the sense that their huge falling out at the end had any impact whatsoever. It should be a big moment, especially with Blitz’s whole arc centering around the fact that he pushes everyone in his life away at one point or another, but the emotional beat just really doesn’t hit, especially when you have Moxxie making up with Millie right after, and then the ending scene in the office. The A Plot and B Plot of this episode would work a hell of a lot better if they were their own things. They parallel each other, sure, but not well enough to excuse shoving them together in the same episode like this and, therefore, sacrificing the emotional impact of both of them.
Makes me wonder if she's going to make a reappearance around season 2's finale. It feels like the entire second season (including the first finale) is about Blitz trying to reconnect before it's too late. Which gives me this weird foreshadowing impression that he's going to be put in a near death experience, that even Loona might get a reality check by. I was okay with his story being more of a B plot this time around, but I'm more wondering if this is setting up for something huge happening to Blitz.
One thing alotta people haven’t really thought about yet, I feel like this episode is really gonna set up another episode relating to the D.H.O.R.K.S, cause as they showed; Millie got viral on the internet nationally, and the two agents left from the truth seekers episode have been trying to find our cast since that episode ended, and they wanted more proof of the demons existence, and during the entire week at the camp Millie showed superhuman abilities, and literally breathing fire.
That’s why I didn’t want her to get all of the attention in a good way, I was constantly terrified that they would know and through her disguise because we already know they have footage of events that happen on earth even if no one else is around to spread the information
The Mafia episode straight up tells us that Moxie would be releasing his holdings in the organization, meaning he’d be getting an assload of money from his father. But that plot point clearly doesn’t go anywhere by the next episode. I just don’t think the writers keep that much track of their lore to use it more effectively.
Why couldn't Moxxie have been right for once? Why couldn't the evidence have been circumstantial and it was a twist who the killer was? Mille would've needed to try out a new method other than the brutal one she's most skilled at and Moxxie could've been right for once. Literally a win-win. Millie gets development through learning and Moxxie finally gets a win.
I FEEL LIKE if one or two lines were devoted to how Blitz's bad habits are rubbing off on Moxie, we'd have a tidier plot, because it's clear there's a lot in this series already that could build to moxie learning not to follow in blitz's footsteps.
This was basically the CHERUBs episode for season 2: big hype for a brand new character that we've all been waiting for, only for it to become anti-climatic and leave little to no impact on us
@@andrewharris1344ought it would've been cool if Barbie was living in the human world because she fell in love with a human she was supposed to kill/manipulate/etc, and the next target for Blitz just happens to be the human Barbie likes, and that human ends up going to heaven (somehow despite dating an imp lol, maybe she liked the human because they were pure and she kept it hidden,) so she can never see them again, Blitz ruining her chance at happiness again. Added edit: Then she could try and team up with Striker to convince him to abandon Stella and just kill Stolas on their own to get revenge on Blitz. Idk tho lol
That was Blitz's dad for me. He was implied to be a part of Blitz's haunting past, and he ended up being a quick joke while Moxxie, a comic relief/wholesome relief character who shouldn't be messy and traumatic got an antire episode about him having an abusive father. Forget Buck ( yes, that's his name. He's just a "greedy boss" parody ), Blitz's entire backstory was left in the mud. I know, we're going to get episodes about him and Fizzarolli, but why do they dig into another character's backstory if they weren't even done with the main character ( especially if that backstory doesn't even fit him )?
The worst part for me is Moxxie being really oblivious that, if Blitz was in his place about an obvious closed case, Moxxie wouldn't hesitate pointing out the obvious bad guy, it just felt weird.
I don't know if it's just me with my patience with this show beginning to run thin, but maybe instead of once again retreading Moxie's insecurities they should've focused on the character that we've been waiting to see for so long. They showed that early clip of Barbie because they knew how much we've wanted to meet her, and to have her just tacked onto the end of the episode felt like a slap in the face. We're like, what, halfway through season 2 and we still have nothing on what went down between Blitz and Barbie or Blitz and Fizz? It just feels like the show is just doing whatever it wants at this point.
@@hale.yscomet A slow burn is not appropriate for this show as it takes ~3-4 months of waiting for 20 minutes of content, so if we're going at this rate of actual story then we'll be waiting until 2029 for the ending. The only way a slow burn would work for this show is if there was a new episode every week, but of course that isn't feasible.
I actually love the fact their relationship isn’t perfect. Did Moxxie mess up big time? Oh totally, but he worked hard to make up for it and understand his wife’s perspective and I love when ‘couple goals’ couples show the messy parts of being a loving couple followed swiftly by it being solved with communication.
Yeah, the "perfect couple" bit is unrealistic and getting kinda old at this point. I thought it was great seeing them argue for once. We know they've only been together a year now, so they're still in that honeymoon phase.
Honestly: I can super relate to Moxxie in this episode as much as it hurts to admit. Being given a time to shine only for someone you care about to steal it away hurts like hell. And him putting all that aside and hyping up his wife in the end is what everyone wants to do in that situation.
Man when you’ve been Millie in a relationship with someone, whether romantic or platonic, this episode hits. Which is why I kind of liked it. Cause I immediately clocked that Millie always has to remind Moxxie of his worth constantly, and that shit will inevitably have a hand on your self esteem too in some way
Exactly why I enjoyed the episode... It felt like everyone thinks that M&M was a perfect relationship except Millie having bad character development. It's not, no relationship is. I enjoyed the episode because they are having problems in their relationship.. It isn't just rainbows and sunshine.
i’m usually moxxie in this situation, or i think i am. but i don’t project it or lash out, i just stand back and watch quietly. but then again, what i don’t relate to is how moxxie was confident at first and attempted to shine, whereas i don’t attempt at all lol. and when i do something good, i’ll feel bad for being proud of it bc i feel like others will be jealous/moxxie in this situation.
See that’s the interesting thing for me. I’m that way with my partner and although I gladly take that role and love to see him shine, it can be incredibly draining sometimes. Some days he’s having such a hard time that I have to remind myself that I’m allowed to take up space too. This episode’s problems felt very real to me. I love my partner so incredibly much and I know I have my faults too, but I can relate to this. And they’ve only been together for a year! I’ve been with my partner for three! We’ve managed to work out a system but they haven’t had the time yet. I both love and hate this episode
Honestly I really liked how Moxxie acted in the episode, not because I agree with him but because it both makes sense given how he didn’t receive enough parental attention/support growing up and I’m glad to see him have flaws other than being “too empathetic and soft”
I know, right? I actually think it’s refreshing that the show was willing to display Moxxie having more character flaws, and give us a situation where he can put those aside to support his wife.
In isolation, Moxxie getting overly self centred/toxic and Millie getting some character development that doesn't relate to violance is perfectly fine and well within both characters. My only problem is Moxxie f**king up and Millie succeeding is constant. For Moxxie either the universe trips him up (usually for comedy) or his own personality flaws causing him to fail is pretty much his whole character. Every episode that Moxxie gets major screen time he almost always ends up as the fall guy. With Millie, though she is under developed compared with the others, the one thing she always does is succeed and be awesome. Can anyone tell me any episode where Millie f**ks and makes a mistake? Hell, even at the end of this episode the one thing Moxxie tries to do eventually (kill his target), Millie somehow ends up unknowingly getting the kill with a random firework from her concert. Like I said, even the universe hates Moxxie.
Ffs I would have been okay with him actually killing the target and not it being still Millie. Moxie hasn't had a single moment of being good at what it does (except maybe when he plays the guitar).
I hope that when they confront his dad again, it's his episode where he faces off against his father in a fight and proves he's competent. I would have the bodyguards try to taze him like before and he counters it kinda to show Moxxie's intelligence. I think rather than Moxxie being the strongest he'd use his knowledge of weapons and intellectual knowledge of weapons to defeat him. Also I'd like Moxxie to take his dad's hat kinda to show that his father can't control him anymore and kinda like a show of confidence. Just because he's timid at times doesn't mean he's to be underestimated, and I think his father would be the perfect character to really show Moxxie's badassness given he was afraid of him for the longest and be disrespected him more than Blitzo. I'd have Moxxie be still empathetic and timid but less just straight pathetic, like with his newfound confidence, he's more assured in himself and knows he can get the job done. Moxxie and Millie would be even but in different ways instead of it being a hierarchy if Blitzo > Millie > Moxxie (You might be able to switch Blitzo and Millie tbh.
@@thetruekingofwaffles problem is that the very nature of IMP being a bunch of reckless gungho idiots that barge in forcing everythign into a melee fight makes moxxies talents pointless the show doesn't give him the opportunity to be the sane man and the repercussions of why you should listen to the sane man honestly if you wanted to give him things have him be the responsible mission control or show the consequences of blitzo being an inconspicious dumbass or make the humans smart enough such taht moxxie elaborate disguises and theatrics have merit or show him calmly snipping targets make moxxie the reliable one the boring if reliable one
@about50pyros55 @about50pyros55 @about50pyros55 @about50pyros55 I agree with that honestly that'd fit the vibe of the show, while Millie and Blitzo are in the close quarters Moxxie could be the guy in the sniper in the back waiting for the perfect shot. It'd fit his personality because be isn't really a physical altercation kinda guy but could utilize his mafia and weapon knowledge. Millie is the muscle with close rsnge combat skills whilist Moxxie is the sneaky killer with disguises and long range weapons while Millie is the close range combatant. It'd fit there personalities since Millie is the more confident one and Moxxie is more timid.
To be completely fair, Moxxie saw this as an opportunity to make himself look good and raise his confidence. Then within the first minute of being on Earth they already know who it is.
My biggest issue with Moxxie treating Millie so horribly is that of all the people he's lashed out at before, it's never been Millie, they've never even had an argument before until this episode. In the first season they had open and honest communication and were equally emotionally supportive. Moxxie writes love songs for Millie all the time and in the one he performed at the first half of the season one finale he even says "I love us just the way we are/don't have to pretend to like to do things we don't/ I've always got you around to laugh at my stupid jokes/ I'll never take you for granted/ I'll always give you my best/ and if you can offer the same fate we'll handle the rest" right there he promised to not take her for granted and to be the best version of himself for her, and yet season 2 rolls around and we get this. Granted, in real life people can make a lot of promises in relationships and not follow through, but that's not good story structure in fiction to set something up and not deliver on it or completely botch it within a few episodes.
yeah honestly bottom 3 type of episode very cringe plus it wasn't character development it basically started with character regression to bring them back to status quo only thing of intrest was blitzos sister
Yeah as much as I liked the fits, I had to skip most of the songs due to secondhand cringe, and I've never had to do that before in HB. I mean, I still listen to songs from MLP and other old cartoons , but that was a punch in the gut. Something about watching characters repeatedly make asses of themselves makes my soul shrivel up. I love HB and HH, but I think that the episode should've been split in half between B+B and MM more than it was, and the montages definitely could've been cut imo.
I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who doesn't like Moxxie's current arc. The insecure routine is getting old and worn out. It's also getting worse - it went from Moxxie getting insulted by Blitz and Loona, to getting in a p*ssing contest with Striker, to Mille having to be the sensible one in the relationship, to being pushed around by his Dad, and now finally to this. And what's worse is that the narrative is deliberately cutting him down more and more! Even when he stands up for himself, the story pushes him right back down into the dirt and tells him to stay there. He's not even allowed to really contribute anything of value anymore. Initially, I thought they were just setting up a recurring punchline with him where he never quite gets the bad*ss moment, but now I think they're either gonna make it so he becomes secure through effort or have his endless insecurities act as a catalyst for an M&M break up. In either case, Moxxie isn't a character I enjoy anymore, but if anyone else still likes him then that's okay.
I still like him, but it does feel like the creators of the show hate him and want him to suffer. Im not sure why they would want that, but it sure feels like it.
Thank you yes nearly every single episode moxxie is constantly used as the punching bag, anytime the show sets him up to have a big moment the show immediately shoots him down and uses him as comedic relief anytime he’s in a serious situation. Im fine with comedic relief don’t get me wrong but I feel like this show handles tone change really badly sometimes. For instance in exes and ohs when Moxxie’s dad Crimson slaps him and talks about how he wants moxxie to marry Chaz it covers some really heavy topics with abuse and manipulation but it’s only a few moments after this that his dad presses a button and brings out wall dildos this for me just ruins the whole setup especially when the next shot is moxxies backstory.
@@bandedtapeworm honestly with all he's been through, Millie's speech about being insecure and not important feels like something moxxie should have said.
Didn't he do well in "Western Energy"? He managed to kill a bunch of random street toughs and put Striker on his back. It's a shame to hear that this episode apparently went back to business as usual, but at least there's one exception.
I honestly liked there was some bump in the M&Ms relationship, and how quickly they get over it by simply TALKING, it borders on what could have been an explosive fight but it wasn’t, it was emotional briefly and then they go back to loving each other with simple words and understanding
I know! Some people can’t see it, but I still love their fictional relationship for how healthy it is, cause when the road gets rough that’s when you see how good of a pair you both are, and Moxxie and Millie really showed how much they love each other healthily by their almost instant makeup after Millie revealed the issues. Took a real bit of emotion, but that’s when you know it is sincere.
I only watched this episode once but yeah I felt like this was very on brand for Moxxie. He’s shown many times to be very insecure and prone to taking seemingly small things extremely personally. It hurt to watch him lash out at Millie, but it’s also good to see they’re not perfect and that sometimes Moxxie’s insecurity makes him unreasonable and that it takes a toll on Millie. She’s always having to lift him up and she just couldn’t handle being lashed out at for doing things the way Moxxie asked her to. His need to constantly prove himself is honestly unproductive and Millie knows it but still lets him try. Also, I feel like the reason Millie is the only person Moxxie has blamed for his shortcomings is because he feels like she’s the only one he doesn’t have to impress or fear losing. I know people lash out at those they’re closest to because they have a subconscious understanding that they won’t lose that person for yelling at them. This episode is an interesting focus on M&M’s relationship and how they view themselves. I wish the Blitzo and Barbie Wire story got more screen time too, but I’m not disappointed with how the episode turned out. There’s very little I’d change.
My biggest issue with the episode is that "intentionally annoying" isn't really a good excuse. Moxxie's self-centred bimbo persona and especially his song is supposed to be cringy and annoying and alienating for the other characters in the show, but when it's annoying and alienating the viewers as well it stops being enjoyable. It doesn't come off as funny, we're not relating to the random teens in the camp, we're just sat there hating everything Moxxie's doing the entire time. And this is only made worse by the fact Moxxie's disguise is implied to be less of a disguise and more of just him being who he wants to be, exploring some fascet of himself, but everything about it is just awful. Secondly, this entire episode feels like it's from early season 1 like around the time of the Cherubs and just got pushed back into the middle of season 2 as we go on this episodic adventure to a campground in the middle of a major plot moment, which makes this entire episode unequivocally filler despite its attempts at character development. And even the most impactful part of this episode - Blitzo trying to track down his sister - is a tiny B plot with very little development. A lot of people who only watched the show and never really followed the series more in depth probably didn't realise he even had a sister besides a one-off reference to her being in rehab many episodes ago. As much as I like how the episode sets up a mystery of who he's tracking down and what he wants to do with them, in doing so we miss the emotional punch of Blitzo choosing to track her down and reconnect with her and instead jump in to him already breaking into a building and threatening someone. Then the entire scene when he finds her is undercut as it's forced to tie in to the A plot about this random teen who Moxxie needs to kill. Instead of getting these two plots badly stitched together, we could easily have gotten an entire episode about Blitzo and his sister and it would have been far more impactful. And finally, the whole inc*st thing was also really unneccessary and as much as it's on-brand for the show, the fact the most vanilla couple in the show decided to do it in front of dozens of minors is just... Yikes. Moxxie slipping up and calling Millie sexy was fine, but then he immediately does it again a sentence later, only to then go all out on stage at the end - something that was fine as a small one-off joke got repeated and dialled up three times until any humour was gone and it was just questionable.
Especially since the persona is counterproductive to his goal and he didn't make adjustments to be more efficient about it. If he's too annoying to get people willing to interact with him, he won't get the information he wants. I can understand if he felt too committed to the character, but there was no sign that he had to be--the girls would've forgotten the bimbo character existed if he went off, changed costumes and tried again as a more neutral or nerdy character. It felt more like he was committed to the bimbo character for no reason imo. I could get if he had motivation to not switch characters/disguises, but there weren't enough witnesses or adults to care or notice.
I just hated moxie this entire episode this time around cause he tries so hard to be something he can’t ever be…a boss or somebody who can do something quick and easy millie had a point saying blitz’s plans yes may be not clean but at least he gets it done the day he gets the hit
Honestly I loved the A plot. While I would’ve rather had a separate episode where Blitz and Barbie are the A plot instead of the B plot (which I’m sure will happen eventually), seeing the biggest problem between Millie and Moxxie felt really important to me. I don’t think Moxxie has learned his lesson nor do I believe this is a one off thing and these marital issues will keep pilling up until they can’t take it anymore. I feel like us seeing Blitz trying to help her but slowly seeing him drag her right back down just like he does for everyone else is a nice bit of character development because it shows how he is a bad influence even if he’s trying to help. I do think Moxxie was a bit annoying and they could’ve dialed it back but I feel like it was just him trying to be eccentric. He’s imp’s punching bag that is constantly made fun of and looked down upon so of course his character is going to be a leader who tries to be the center of attention and is a confident and narcissistic person because he wants to feel like the best person there because he’s never the best person in imp. He just wants others to finally see him as the best. And I think the incest bit worked really well. It wrapped up the story, explained how Millie was able to just disappear from earth without making a ruckus as she would soon be kicked out of fame, and I think it was really funny. Now are they doing it in front of teens? Yes. Do hell spawn that literally have a whole ring just for sexual desires care? No.
@@jilliancrawford7577e wanted to feel like he was the best as he’s always looked down upon and insulted at imp. He pushed his persona (a spotlight seeking narcissist) because at imp he’s this weak link that’s always seen as lesser than the others.
The sad irony of this episode (that I don’t think actually matters) is that the one time Millie is in the spotlight, she’s had to disguise herself as a human character that Moxxie created for her lol
I feel like Millie getting angry and stating she feels she always puts her second is a believable flaw as she doesnt take time to live her life outside of Moxxie.
I get that but I feel like it’s more of a writing flaw that she has no life outside of Moxxie, Millie’s very much that character that soothes the self-insert, but that’s what she’s been defined as Having no life outside of your marriage is a very real thing, yes, but I wanna know her mindset, I wanna know what makes her angry, what makes her happy, like, she has such a supporting role
@@jessicakakern4571 Exactly. Just because she actually has these problems don't make it good storytelling to just suddenly bring them up and without even a pre hint in the episode. It could have been a good thing to bring up about her, but now it just feels uncooked. Like an emergency plot addition
Same. His petty attitude feels almost forced, it would have made more sense if he was more so ignoring Millie’s fame, and more focused on the job. That makes more sense then him being jealous over some random kids.
I think this episode big issue is all the assumptions it just demands watchers to make. Blitz stalking his sister, barbs trying to get away from him, millie insecurities and moxie pettiness are all concepts that make sense for the characters but none had previously received the set up they needed for this episode to feel like a proper escalation of these conflicts. I would also argue that barbs absence from most of the episode really hurt the climax as by the time she appears, we have very little context of her relationship with blitz and that leads to much of the emotions during the fight falling flat. Since she was already at the camp, she probably should have been way more involved into the mnm plots so we can have some context on her personality and relationship with her brother before she is revealed as barbie wire to the characters.
Moxie just needs an episode were he is not treated like a joke, to me this part of him being kind and naive(showed in the previous episodes) is what made me interest in Helluva Boss in the first place.
It's literally that. The dude has NEVER got a win on the show that was only his and not the teams (or just Millie's) without it being immediately undermined for a cheap and quick joke or with the "W" just being him avoiding the worst consequence of a fuck up. No wonder he is insecure and starting to lash out unreasonably at Mil, it's all the show has ever set him up for.
I actually thought it was in character the first run bc I have analyzed his tantrums. It just hurt to see it happen to Millie, but she's patient enough with him where an episode like this could work and strengthen their bond and are people. I love them and they needed this episode so much
When you really think about it, Moxxie was in a possible "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation with this mission. We already saw what happened when he tried it his way: it took a week, he didn't even get to deliver the kill & got insulted by Blitz at the end but if Moxxie actually did decide to just go straight to the shed & killed the target, he'd be on cloud 9... Until a week later when Blitz finds out what happened to Barbie & puts 2 & 2 together, cause remember: they didn't even know about Barbie until Blitz showed up so It's very likely they wouldn't be pulling back their punches to "some random imp" working with the target
tbh i get moxxie, low self-esteem is very hard to live with and when you feel that everyone is better than you seeing that someone close to you is better is heartbreaking because you are proud of them with all your heart but it proofs you're worse, it's such mixed emotions you don't even know what to do. I'm still getting over it myself, and it takes a lot of talking to explain your point to people close to you
I relate a lot honestly I even lost some friends due my insecurities and pettiness and constantly trying to be better in some way because people around you seem so perfect and talk down to you , make you feel inferior, that you feel the need to compete with them. I had a lot of friends that would constantly indirectly tell me that I'm stupid or ugly so I constantly try to be better than them in those aspects because if I'm not then that just means what they said is true and I'm nothing compared to them. Again I'm not totally innocent either but it still hurts and you never really get over it because insecurities suck. So yeah I relate to Moxxie's jealousy.
One of her only times? Bro she's always saving the gang and being the perfect person at everything lol....She is praised and shines plenty in the series
@@someadorablebuffcat praise is still praise...You can't just be mad it's not in the right thing and act like your never appreciated cause it's not in a skill you want
@@kingdicehoi4lubu746 But that's literally what Millie herself said, she was happy she was praised for something else other then murder. You can want to be praised about something else then being good at your job.
Millie gets her metaphorical D wanked so often by Blitzo and her loving husband Moxxie who showers her with nonstop love and praise 24/7 heck even Loona praised her one time. Her feeling "Unappreciated and not-seen" is complete BS.
I think another reason why Moxxie got SO upset is because Millie was also musically talented which was “his thing” in their relationship. If she’s also good at it, and to these teens she’s better at it, then that probably amplified his insecurities
Ok ok. Let's be real here. It's a Moxie episode again. Millie might be the center, but what do we learn about her? She wants independence and to be valued? You mean like every person ever? Moxie learns the lesson, Moxie goes on the emotional journey, Moxie "grows as a person". What do we really get for Millie in this episode? Just more or her being cool, and skilled at everything like every other episode. And for Moxie to STILL UPSTAGE HER! I get he was talking all about her but I really don't think Moxie should've gone on stage until after the performance. The whole point was Mox wanting attention and to apologize he steals all the attention before her concert. Just watch and let her have her moment!
I was really trying to think of it as a Millie episode but after reading this, you are totally right :\ I hope they actually give us a legit Millie episode. Because I’m kinda getting tired of moxie.
Millie will never get an episode, because she is (and I'm sorry to say this) a very shallow character. She is badass, she is strong, she is in love with Moxxie and that's all she is. Her personality it "cool, kind and loving" with a good mix off "she has a love interest" and not much else. Millie can't really have an episode because she is set up specifically as a love interest and not much else
She learns to stand up for herself and put herself and put herself first and to value herself. She also learned to finally communicate that with her husband which I'm guessing was never really a conversation and clearly a problem in their relationship. So there are some millie points.
Sometimes it feels like millie and the plot are completely different forces pushing against each other Every time we think we might get a morsel of character development (or just *character*) the universe bends around her like an origami in order to put moxxie or blitz or this week's villain as center stage We go to her ranch -> it's about moxxie's insecurities + stricker She goes to save him -> it's about moxxie's insecurities + blitz She literally becomes the most popular person ever and it's still all about moxxie's feelings
He didn't steal her attention, nor did he upstage her. He became the Hypeman. Hypemen are important to shows as they, as the name implies, gets the audience hyped for the main act, they are NOT the center of attention nor do they really have an act. Millie has always been there to hype up Moxxie and help validate him. This time, now that Millie's on stage, he took the opportunity to, instead of just sitting back and watching, get up and not only hype the audience up for her performances but to tell her everything he loves about her. He also clearly was going to stay for said performance until Millie gave him the tip and approval to finish the job.
This whole plot played like a parody of the "Millie Problem" criticism by the fans and poked fun at the constant attention on Moxxie with Millie his supporting character, begging for just some focus (attention and expansion) on her, and even resolved it by having that criticism become a conflict for them directly. Like... a faint hairline fracture in the fourth wall!
I feel like the campers almost reflect the fans. Who DOESNT love Millie?? And by seeing all the focus and development having been on him while people begged for more Millie this joke was hilarious.
I agree with this. They reduced Moxxie to help Millie shine. We didn't even see an *attempt* from Millie to talk with the campers she's just naturally successfully nothing phases her.
As someone who was in this kind of relationship (although my partner was WAY worse than Moxxie in other ways), being with someone who is insecure 24/7 can be draining. You stick by them constantly, reassure them from the moment you wake up to the moment you sleep, support them, forgive them almost instantly for mistakes no matter how bad, and they STILL act like this. I'm not saying Moxxie is that horrible, but it feels damn good to watch Millie stand up for herself, as when I was in that situation I couldn't. I'm so glad that they finally made her something other than a happy killer housewife.
Moxxies desire for validation reaches an unhealthy level, the damage from his childhood is obviously unresolved, but good on Millie for not being his unpaid therapist and enabling his behaviours for a change. This will bring growth to their relationship, I hope…
Except everyone overlooks just how MEAN the kids were to Moxxie. They wrote "Bitch" on his tent; they told him to kill himself; they were legit horny for his wife; the popular girls made fun of his appearance in a horrible way! Not to mention he worked SUPER hard on his new persona, only for it to backfire. Moxxie wasn't angry at Millie, he was angry at the kids he tried to impress and yelled at the wrong person.
@@YujiUedaFan the issue with moxxie is he got way too carried away with his own ego when given the opportunity to take charge in the case. If he cared about the case truly, he would have listened to Millie’s observations and quickly got it done and dusted with, but instead he made their time at the camp unnecessarily longer because he wanted the satisfaction of his whole plan going to completion and getting validation from those that he actively desires from e.g blitzø and Millie. It was the persona that he put on which the kids disliked, which is unsurprising to be honest. Moxxine was a self obsessed individual who played as a mean girl and when the campers saw this, they pretty much tore the persona a new asshole. Millie’s persona Millerd however was mostly about having fun, slightly showing off too of course but in the process it made everyone else have fun too. Not condoning bullying in anyway here btw. However I’m not surprised that Moxxine ended up subject to such nastiness when the persona herself was not a likeable. Not to mention Moxxie acting like a literal child when they fail to, once again, win over the campers and in turn take it out on Millie and essentially project his insecurities onto her.
@@YujiUedaFan The campers also didn’t know that Millie was Moxxies wife, hence the confusion and reaction to the “incest” at the end of the episode as they believed they were siblings
@@Ally_and_Gigs I think the kids went too far though, since Moxxie was clearly living through a youth he never had. Moxxie feels unloved by everyone BUT Millie because he grew up with a mob boss father, who just recently tried to marry him off to a conning shark douche. Moxxie is still processing his feelings of insecurity and yeah, he could have handled it better, but I wouldn't say this episode was a character assassination for him.
This was the first helluva boss episode I came out hating, I'm happy they tried to give Millie more depth but to be honest the whole, "I want to feel appreciated" felt kinda out of nowhere, considering we've seen both Mox and Blitz praise her on multiple occasions. Kinda feels like they forgot they never set up this insecurity.
Maybe they should have focused more on Moxie's codependency with Millie. Maybe, while she loves him, sometimes it can feel like he overpowers her a bit and she needs time to let herself just be her? Idk man, he came off as really selfish in the ep and I couldn’t stand him, especially since it was another "Moxie feels inadequate" ep.
Honestly, this was the big painful thing to watch for me, because ALL this time, Millie and Moxxie have been probably the most wholesome thing in both series, and while a couples squabble is sure to come, this in particular wasn’t how I wanted to see M&M’s first squabble. I do like that Moxxie did apologize and they went back to being in each others corner again, but Moxxie never struck me as someone who WANTED the limelight other then wanting to be just be told “you did good” by people he cares about. He’s a humble guy who just wants reassurance, not attention.
>Never had a proper childhood >Mother was drowned by his father >Father is a mob boss >Moxxie's first relationship was with a shark guy who ditched him so he wouldn't get caught >He was forced to marry the same shark guy years later because his dad found out about the money >Moxxie is way too into D&D and is an abusive husband to Millie
@@potato_boy1244 I wanted to make only one point against Moxxie instead of two to prove a point that his bad upbringing is going to cause problems later down the line.
I think I might be one of the few people who actually liked the fight scene between M&M. We've only really ever seen the best of them. Apart and together, seeing them both at their worst, pretty much just Moxxie. It was just so fascinating to see them at odds, we've seen Millie angry and we know what she can do. But we've never seen that anger directed at someone like Moxxie. The show's made it seem that Moxxie and Millie's relationship is perfect, which to be fair it is close, now we get to see them when they aren't. Millie is angry here and it's Moxxie's fault, she has every right to go off on him the way she does. I don't think that Moxxie's apology was out of character either. He's always been the one who will praise the high heavens outta Millie, as well he should, not to mention he's usually pretty quick to admit when he's wrong. Moxxie can be a petty bitch sometimes but he's not cruel. He's never vindictive at least in a non work related way. His job kinda requires him to be cruel and murderous. But even then he's the one with the moral compass, the voice of reason even if Blitz is usually shitting on him. TLDR: Moxxie and Millie's dynamic change is incredibly interesting and built up decently enough. Millie finally getting her own episode is amazing, and yes we all thought/were hoping Blitz was visiting Stolas. We all gotta admit our massive L there....
I thought it was dull tbh, Millie being perfect and Moxxie being the doofus who either needs saving or checking is an old storyline they have done over and over. This was the same thing. Millie's episode was just... "Look at how great she is" and that was about it. If Moxxie wasn't there and if Barb wasn't there it would just have been Millie solves the case in under a minute and everyone loves her. She has no personal conflict or story of her own.
@@defiante1 It really wasn't tbh, I mean neither are really perfect. It wasn't. I mean she has some problems too. It wouldn't have been that at all. She has a story but she needs more of a conflict.
@@Jdudec367 I found it to be dull, if it wasn't for the barb thing nothing new or interesting would of happened. Moxxie being insecure is nothing new, Millie being badass isn't new. Them ending the episode by making out hard isn't new. If you enjoyed it good for you but the Millie Moxxie plot was the same plot we have had several times now just from a different perspective. Moxxie messes up and has to apologize to Millie. Even the episode about her family when we see them, is mainly about Moxxie try hard trying to prove he is a manly man to her parents. Its not about her because her family thing is actually okay. That ends pretty similar. Even an episode about her family is about Moxxie because her life is fine, no issues.
@@defiante1 Well I disagree it wasn't really dull, even without that there would still be new and interesting stuff. But what exactly happened is new, but she still got some new growth. I mean...that is new too. It wasn't the same plot actually and we haven't had it several times now. Millie realized she was a bit wrong too and Moxxie had to deal with a new issue too. Not really again it is mainly about setting up Striker and Stella. No it doesn't, that episode accomplished something very different. It isn't about Moxxie though.
Moxxie character was very different from the loving and caring imp we have seen throughout the season. But when we finally see Millie and all her skills and abilities come together in this episode. I was suprised Moxxie was getting more annoyed by it
Moxxie is a Theater kid who put together his elaborate production to perfection... only to be Effortlessly upstaged by the Hyper-competitive understudy. Millie loves the spotlight but doesn't go seeking it because she was raised as one among many. Moxxie has always been denied the spotlight cause of his upbringing. Them clashing here was a surprise... but a fitting one.
What didn't make sense to me was that Moxxie seemed to design his teen girl persona to be petty and unlikeable, gets upset when the other teenagers don't like 'her', but still doubles down on the persona's most off-putting traits. I'm not sure what to make of the 'me me me' song. It wasn't in character for Moxxie himself. It was in character for the 'mean girl' disguise. However, the song takes place after he realized that playing the 'mean girl' was alienating him and bringing out his real life insecurities.
@@BulbasaurLeaves Yeah, I think I'd have enjoyed it better if he decides to try a different tactic, and just be himself for a song...only to go into a bunch of stuff about guns and freaking them out like that as well because he sounds like he's going to shoot the place up. That would have also worked great with that really cool looking moment where he's looking deranged, standing in fire with make up running down his face.
Moxxie struggles w/ insecurities (thanks to Crimson) & needs almost constant validation to feel any form of stability, which we’ve seen Millie give him (much like his mother). Add on the fact that this is his first time taking the lead on a job & his love of performing, & it created the perfect storm. I think we all know that feeling when the boss/supervisor puts you in charge of something for the first time. Moxxie wanted to succeed so badly that he got tunnel vision. Meanwhile, Millie kinda took the opportunity to have some fun, which we don’t usually see her get to do. She probably felt that she had time to kill while Moxxie was taking the long way. In the process, she got to feel important & that others might actually like her for who she is. (This was hinted at in S1 E5 during the Harvest Moon Festival. She wasn’t allowed to join in the fun b/c she was too rough. She got left out of her hometown’s festival. Even other members of her family were allowed to compete, while Millie was specifically prohibited.) During her song, we get a glimpse of how Millie views herself, & it’s clear that she’s got deep self-esteem issues of her own. Eventually, Moxxie, whose week was just getting worse by the day, snapped. Like Striker, Millie was getting the public validation that he craved & had already figured out the culprit before him. So, he lashed out at Millie. Fortunately, he realized his mistake & apologized. Still, we’ll only know if things are really okay if he learns from this & doesn’t repeat this mistake going forward. Also, I think Stolas getting hurt might’ve motivated Blitzø to check on those he cares for. We know the next episode will involve Fizz. Maybe after another hostile interaction from a past friendship will be enough to motivate Blitzø to go see Stolas.
For me, this episode was alright at best and frustrating at worst, but the thing that really pissed me off was the fact that we didn’t get at least SOMETHING for the humans from the last season, it was the perfect setting and timing to get something once Millie is on the news at the end of the episode
My main issue with this episode is honestly that it just seems... misplaced. Like Moxxies storylines just seemed to scale gratually. From standing up to his dad to taking on Striker who has everything that Moxxie is insecure about. Now seeing him caring so much about what some teenagers think of him feels kinda anticlimactic. Also he literally was in charge of a mission in western energy. I guess it wasnt an official mission, but im sure that Striker is a bigger deal than whatever this was. This episode could legit just switch places with cherubs and it would be much much better
I think that this episode actually made me look at my own behavior a little bit more, because Moxxie, while stupid to compare to a fictional character, felt relatable. I have seen myself acting out this same way, and even being called out for it, in spite of those around me who are trying to help my self esteem. I think this episode is actually pretty fantastic for that.
Honestly, at this point, we need more situations where Moxxie gets to be the hero. Every time Millie needs to bail him out. I felt kinda cheated when in Western Energy, when Moxxie had the perfect chance to beat Striker by going for the gun after the scuffle, the show still insisted on Millie bailing him out. I might be wrong, but has Moxxie ever rescued Millie?
I actually like that they want to make the M&M's relationship a little more complicated. Like of course they're not just perfect and in love all the time. Love is hard, it takes effort. Moxxie's lashing out is hard to watch for sure, but it shows he has issues that impact their relationship. I think as long as going forward, he takes this lesson and actually follows through with supporting Millie more, it's worth it. He's not just going to let go of all his insecurities of course, but it's a step in the right direction. I'm excited to get a fully Millie centric episode though.
Millie still hasn't had a character flaw as of yet. She is always strong, professional, loving and nice. I know one thing a lot of people actually find refreshing is how genuinely in love and healthy Millie and Moxxy handle their relationship, but they are already dipping into the fact that it isnt always so great. I feel like if they had a falling out for at least a couple of episodes, this could make Millie finally a character on her own and Moxxie having more character growth than Millie telling him hes a dummie and him just accepting that.
Exactly. Even after Millie’s breakdown about liking the validation, the show moves away to Blitzo, his sister and Moxxie before she has the chance to gain a dimension to her character.
I still reference the pilot. The point of a pilot is to establish what can be expected from the show. Remember that line when Loona said Moxie is easy to manage and Millie says “No he’s not” I’ve been waiting for that line to pay off and this episode was that for me- and it puts a lot of their interactions into new context
Genuinely imma be real here. Millie is literally what is wrong with character writing. Making a character, who is in literally EVERY way perfect. There is no reason for her to be as perfect as she is, her literal ONLY flaw is her love for Moxxie. And i dont know why they write her in that way. And she might very Well be the only character with no flaws in the entire series, literally all be it minor or major characters have huge flaws that make their stories meaningful to the overall plot and how we percieve the characters. This season has in general had one huge hit for one miss in terms of episodes IMO
I think a better development for her then this random insecure plot is have her want to be more multifaceted. Sense see thinks all are skills are only related to killing, and seeing how many skills and knowledge moxxie has it inspires her to broaden her horizons even if she struggles learning them. Like moxxie is inspired by Millie’s Confidence
@@andrewharris1344 the main thing about that, is that the latest episode kinda refuted that potential story Line completely by having her play a literal WHOLE band, being strong, good at sports and giving her the kill that moxxie wanted. Its like if they give her character development on top it Will Seem superficial, cause her character is shown to be flawless other than her decisions related to love. And it seriously also makes no sense at all as to why she would be as perfect as she is, as we have already met her family, which were not implied to be forceful about her needing to be something like the Ace kid. I really do hope that they make something more out of millie or at least acknowledge that she is in a way perfect and explain it in a way that makes sense, cause right now after 1 sensommeren and 5 episodes, we have just seen her be perfect, strong, capable, unshakable and loving. Where with moxxie, we have seen him be weak, damaged, in need of acknowledegement, capable(to a certain degree) and yet despite how he feels about his life, Millie is there as a beacon of light in his world. I genuinely think, if they had better plans for Millie, they would have already had an episode for it, but right now she just seems like the girlboss perfect character, that her concept probably started out as.
@@user-ln2go4xp6d i dont quite agree, as both Octavia and loona have currently been written as characters who appear closed off and hostile, which actually have reasons for it and have moved past it to a certain degree. They do know how to write characters with arcs. Like Loona was just flat out unlikeable for the first episodes she was in, but after the episode where Octavia ran away, both of the characters were shown to have developed to an understandable degree
I was literally thinking that they made Moxxie so... not himself? He was so jealous of Millie that I was genuinely like... she should just get rid of him. Then it hit me. SHE SHOULD JUST GET RID OF HIM. He was what was holding her back and I'm just realising it.
This episode kinda felt like a retread of "The Harvest Moon Festival" but not done as good. It honestly would have been better if it was centered around Blitz looking for Barbie Wire.
Yeah the ending felt pretty anti-climactic and lacking. Like the plot with Blitz and Barbie was slapped on rather then an organic part of this episode. The plot with Blitz and Barbie should have been it's own episode especially with all the hype surrounding Barbie.
You're by far my fave HB reviewer(and reviewer in general) because you actually think about the emotional side of characters and how they actually tick. Moxie has mommy issues for sure, and much like how Blitz thought Stolas was bulletproof, Moxie can't see how Millie needs validation beyond blind adoration.
Exactly! I think this episode was less about Moxxie learning to let Millie have the spotlight, and more about him learning that Millie is a person just like him. And that he can't just put her on a pedestool.
Honestly I was disappointed in this episode, I expected a Millie focused episode to be something more than just how perfect she is. Even in a Millie focused story there was no growth for her, no conflict for her, the only problem she had was Moxxie. Where is her conflict and story? The only way they seem to know how to write her is just... she is awesome but is defined by her baby sitting Moxxie. Even their relationship seems to be just based on Moxxie recognizing she is awesome and drooling over her and she is just... perfect.
It felt like Moxie was projecting his self worth issues when he snapped at Millie. Doesn't justify it, just explains it. I'm hoping at the very least we see Barbie's backstory with Blitz!
Sometimes I wonder what Millie even sees in Moxxie. Seems like a really onesided relationship sometimes. It's usually about what Moxxie wants and Millie just goes along with it.
I would disagree up until this episode moxxie has always appreciated millie this episode just goes back on most of their relationship and drags moxxie back again which is so annoying.
My best guess is that he makes her feel special. If she see herself as normal, having this passionnate and sensitive guy usually worshipping her for things she sees as no big deal, with being his support, it create a more or less reciproqual connection. We just see in this episode that there is a limit to both their love langage.
He's still a really kind and caring guy. Sure,. he needs attention, but dude is LITERALLY EMOTIONALLY SCARRED xD Millie sees his good sides and accepts the bad, admonishing him when he oversteps.
I kinda liked them showing M&M fighting because it felt more real and not just rainbows and butterflies. It showed that even seemingly healthy couples still have their problems and conflicts so it made it more realistic.
1. Millie has her moment at last! Hip, Hip, hoorah! 2. Moxxie wants to prove himself and allows his insecurities to get the best of him, but he quickly tries to repair the damage he's done. 3. M&M's relationship is what Blitzo wants more than anything, and he doesn't understand the basic necessity of an apology. At the moment Blitz shows vulnerability to Barbiewire, he fails to realize he could have taken the first step to redemption with two words. Theory: Blitzo may have unresolved issues where he thinks apologizing for his mistakes is somehow the weakest thing a person can do.
I think they make moxie too unreasonably insecure, like why would he be fiending over the attention and adulation of 3 random girls and a campground full of random 11 year-olds they made him too incompetent this episode and Millie way too perfect I’d say, like it’s telling the fact that even tho she receives constant praise from pretty much everyone in her life she’s still insecure? Very much should’ve been a Barbie wire episode that they incorporated Millie into somehow
it’s honestly a really bad sign for a show when the viewers have to think THIS hard to justify the characters’ choices and actions. i dont hate the show, and like you said i like what they were going for, but man they could’ve made it a lot better if they put more focus on making moxxie’s outburst less seemingly out of character.
I liked that Millie got some spotlight. BUT, it still had a lot to do with Moxxie and it didn't do him any favours either. Millie feeling unappreciated seems to come out of nowhere and Moxxie just became a jerk because he's the show's punching bag so we need to humiliate him because that's his role. Also, Blitz's sister might as well have been an afterthought considering how little she shows up in this episode. For someone so important to Blitz and his past I expected more. For me personally, this is probably the weakest episode of the show.
Episode 5 was very interesting, It was awesome to see Barbie Wire make her first physical appearance in the series! Jinhee Joung did an oustanding job voicing the character! And I loved that they finally gave Millie two of her own solo songs! Just as it was cool that Moxxie's song had vibes of your average campfire type song with that banjo music! As for Blitz, It was admirable that he was trying to find his sister but it's no surprise that Barbie hates Blitz as it was shown in the season 2 animatics, But now i'm curious as to what exactly happened between them in the past to make Barbie hate Blitz so much. I mean it's no different than the level of hatred that Fizz had for Blitz but hopefully they will reveal it all someday. And since Barbie Wire has an Asmodean crystal, I'm also wondering if the crystal is linked to her having a legit human disguise like maybe the crystals two main functions is to grant demons access to the living world while also providing them with disguises, Hell you never know that might be how Verosika and her crew (except for Vortex) got their human disguises. I mean I know Succubi are a higher level demon than Imps but that doesn't mean they have the power to conjure human disguises on their own.
I think Millie’s struggle is that she came from a loving yet competitive family, so, even though she managed to meet expectations, she struggled to stand out. Moxxie, of course, came from a strict and oppressive family, so, not only was being himself shut down hard, he couldn’t even meet their minimum expectations when he tried to conform. Then these two find eachother and form a sort of two-way codependency: Millie pours compassion onto Moxxie at a level he’s never experienced, and Moxxie pours adoration onto Millie at a level she’s never experienced. It’s a perfect match!! . . . _so long as nothing disru-_ *S2E05:* “Imma let ya finish, but . . .” Oh shit, now Millie is getting adoration from an entirely different source, and not for being a surrogate mother but for being herself. Oh shit, Moxxie has not only been denied the attention he literally _planned_ to receive, but now he’s cut off from his usual source when he needs it most. Oh shit, he’s hypocritically calling her out on being too needy of attention. Oh shit, she’s calling him out on being less than half the contributor to their relationship that she is. Finally, Moxxie realizes he needs to adore Millie for who she is instead of just treating her like an emotional support imp. Here’s hoping we get to see a future episode that’s the inverse: Moxxie grows a fucking pair due to some unexpected circumstances, but this results in him not needing Millie’s constant attention. At first, this is obviously a good thing for both of them, but Millie forgets to factor in the sudden drop in clinginess from Moxxie, and she herself instinctively starts to become a little clingy, like a mother trying to play helicopter around her independently-minded teenage child.
When I watched it I remembered being sad for Moxxie, maybe it’s because I can relate to his situation of feeling like a disappointment or not accomplishing enough but now that I think about it, I can see Millie’s POV as well and I feel for her too. She never gets to be the center of positive attention and I’m glad she got that attention.
I'm glad that we finally got to see some characterization with Millie, with how she wants to be noticed for her achievements, but I'm still ticked off with how it still had to rely a lot with her relationship with Moxxie. Hopefully newer episodes will have her more in the spotlight without having much tangents with Moxxie, as much as I love that goofy imp.
