Mr. K Finds Out About the New VDM Law | Nopixel 4.0 

It’ll be Den then he just says “oops” like he does rn with cars

we all know this is gunna bring THE SEASON

Literally just Den doing that

yeah! That's why it was specifically stated that they must use "reasonable force" and the judge refused to say clearly what was reasonable force was so that it could be debated in RP. "An individuals expectation of safety is still to be considered when using these methods, in accordance with standard use of force protocol Law Enforcement Officers follow" that means that someone on a high mobility vehicle (as exemplified in the law) THAT INSERTS THEMSELVES into an active chase, are inherently acknowledging the risk and forfeit their right to sue for unjust force, if it isn't a situation where they get plowed down at 100 mph (if they do, that is a fundamentally different thing that this caselaw has left open to be prosecuted) . so if you decide to perma your character or decide to sue for however much they sued for, when you insert yourself into a chase on a motorcycle (or jet ski as this ruling that became case law was specifically about) and get bumped off, at a "reasonable" speed (that has yet to been decided, allowing rp to happen) that's on you

@@henrymoller3332 I understand your argument, but I’m taking issue with the way these decisions seem to be made with only nonlethal end results in mind. It’s more of a role play/immersion concern on my end. Why should we assume that a 90mph pit off of a motorbike wouldn’t kill someone? Why should we assume that people involved in high speed accidents caused by strategic pits will ever be able to carry out that court case? That’s why it feels NVL to me. It seems like we’re downplaying the physical risk in these scenarios. Also, it’s not always about deciding to perma your character. Some players have strict rules for that stuff and it’s not always obvious when it’ll happen. I think it’s a better practice to implement case law under the assumption that anyone can die from anything. I don’t think it’s wise to introduce laws that purposefully up the danger on situations and then RP adjusting them after someone miraculously survives a near lethal chase and sues. Did that make sense? I tried to explain my thoughts on this, but they can get a little tangly.

​@@henrymoller3332reasonable force is determined by the pd because she specifically said she wouldn't say an exact speed

@@ryanne.5172 Maybe i overstepped, i didn't mean to imply that 90pmh pits against a bike were okay, i don't even honestly think 40 mph pits on a bike are okay, but they left that to be decided in RP. Also, we shouldn't think that they would be able to carry out that court case, because they wouldn't. In my opinion this paints the picture for future abuse of force cases that directly arise from the vague "reasonable use of force" argument. Also, I understand your agrument of strict rules of perma'ing but if this is big enough to meet those rules, then it is big enough to see heads roll because of it. If someone dies from this it will be a hard argument to make that one used proper force because someone died, what could the cop responsible have done to prevent that and if it is their fault, because they were found to use improper force,then they would be fired. But they have to RP it all out so this is nothing but setting up future RP

@@davidbuchanan4086 you're fundamentally wrong, and truly, deeply moronic if you think that

he got the big gangs in the city voted for him ❤️

lol if only you knew what is being cooked.

I don't know why laws are being made and passed when there is literally nobody in charge of the city at the moment. There is no mayor he has disappeared and hiding from impeachment. They tried to impeach the deputy mayor also.

Nino has OB and CG full backing but lots of cops hate him for some reason and want Osvaldo instead. I think Nino has enough support to win either way though.

what happens is what they always say RP it out.

Exactly its so weird.

VDM is not "you hit me with a car", it's doing so with zero roleplay. Presenting an entire police chase IS the roleplay, there's reasonable RP behind the pit the same way a cop pitting another car isn't VDM

@@temsmoss3925 i mean if there roleplaying then be realistic. cops irl cant make contact with bike or quads. unless they are a threat to the public

@@lofigaming1092 90% of the time when someone's evading on nopixel its reckless evading and RP isn't about being 100% realistic.

Truedat, she is probably one of the worst RPers on NP with the biggest ego

That voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

Isn't she also Mary Mushkin and the power abusive Cop that tackled Ellie leaving the hospital with an injured Zolo?

@@Trashman.69420 yep

I also agree this law is dumb, however, irl police do this too, just youtube "how uk police deal with moped related crimes" if you want to see some hilarious footage :D

They do and dont. They tap bikes, similar to pits. But also if deadly force is authorized they can use their vehicle as a weapon. But the bike pit thing is rare. On nopixel they aren't going to do small bumps or treat it like a bump they're just instantly going to run the person over.

In a way NoPixel is more so emulating a hollywood movies' interpretation of real life, and not actually trying to recreate real life. So I really don't see anything wrong with cops having a tool to deal with bikes/jetskis now (it was super lame when crims could just hop on a bike/jetski and be untouchable until they ran out of gas, it was super boring, anti-climatic, and a waste of everybodies' time). Since people don't actually feel the pain of their injuries in NoPixel, the line of what is acceptable force can be very clearly drawn at whether or not the suspect was incapacitated. So any cop attempting a maneuver that will basically guarantee injury just needs to make sure that they are doing it gently enough to avoid the possibility of death.

That's nothing jail time. Plus with lifers prison time goes super fast

also how will ppl even prove a cop knocked them off mid-chase? like wtf is angel saying? the judges will take the cop's word over the crim and there is not proof, case closed

i wish i could mute that dude forever

She is the worst person to put in any kind of position of power, she has the biggest ego, hero, main character syndrome RP of most people on NP, regardless of what character she plays

@@spaceiam truth, she always needs to the in a position of power and leading something on all her characters. She's obsessed with being the main character.

yup, and as usual this is just kylie going for a position of power for her ego and need to be the "top/head of all things in NP". She's the prime example of main character syndrome in RP.

Cuz it is SOP part and one judge can say 5mph is the limit but other one can say 10mph sadly ramee etc wouldn't shup up and let Angel explain

cause if they are specific cops can't abuse things, can't have that on copixel.

Koil mentioned something about how Judges may be allowed to use Twitch VODs in specific circumstances as a way to punish characters in character instead of having everything handled with OOC bans and suspensions. Obviously, you don't want to use the VOD unless absolutely necessary, but if its just a he said, she said about what speed the cop was traveling at when he crashed into a suspect then you kind of don't have a choice but to verify that claim using meta, especially in instances that would have otherwise been handled OOC using the NoPixel suspension and ban rules.

Its only applicable when cops are fair and dont do dumb shit whole on chase. These law will only abused by cops to get away with everything. The DOJ system is worst. Nobody wants to sue and go to court over this while the judges are literally braindead.

Generally if ppl are using bikes for escaping they are doing it because they are in a high stakes situation, it doesn’t matter if you win your case and get like 50k from it. Because the damage is going to be far worse. Very rarely will there not be other charges and the crims are just going to have to eat it with little to know defence other than just don’t get hit. +80k charges, jail time, losing your illegal items, and putting others in your gang at risk of getting beat if they try and save you. Then after all of that if you were doing a heist or murdered someone that could potentially be another +50k lost on top of that. Then even after all that, the are all the other strict laws that will continue to compound the punishment, felonies potentially ruining clean peoples businesses, raids on properties, VAP points, the list goes on. And sure, Angel might judge in the crims favour majority of the time, but what about all the other justices? You are not going to get her every time and many judges are very much letter of the law and not spirit of the law, and will absolutely eat up any defence the cops may have over a criminal. Simply because they think crims are always going to lie and cops will always tell the truth. I understand I can promote rp and that can be good, but the laws and the court system are currently so fucked up right now that I see it coming up as an issue that blocks people from doing other creative stuff more often than it promotes. Even the cops are going to get fucked by this, specifically opal, aka pd’s main bike cop. This law only encourages crims to fight back in kind, where normally they would avoid bike cops even if they are on your ass, now crims are going to seek revenge from being rammed and crushed by the pd and do the same to them. Same thing happened with high speed pits/ramming.

Not really. For some reason (obvious meta corruption, where he is letting his cop character influence the decisions he makes on his Chief Justice character) Crane wouldn't let lawyers bring criminal charges against cops. Plenty of lawyers have filed a case on the docket for criminal charges against a cop and it would just get immediately dismissed because only cops are allowed to do that. So for the most part, Angel's new role only exists so she can file criminal cases against police officers. Her role basically works as a buffer to make sure cops don't get drowned in frivolous lawsuits, so getting Angel to put a criminal case on the docket is like winning a private court case since the lawyer has already convinced one Judge that the lawsuit is worth pursuing. She will probably operate more like a consultant for the lawyers that are actually doing the work to bring the criminal cases to trial. In a way its exactly like how the cops were conflicting judges by calling them up to ask for input on which charges they should push onto a suspect. The cops used that as a super power because it conflicted the judge making it hard to get a bench or docket trail scheduled, and then if it ever gets to trial they would very rarely lose a case where they had already okay'd the charges with another judge. The main difference is that they are giving lawyers a specific judge that they are allowed to conflict and ask questions to pertaining criminal cases against cops. The good thing is that this could give some "teeth" to things like the civilian oversight board. All Angel has to do is greenlight a couple criminal cases against cops that succeed in court, in order to get high command motivated to discipline/teach their officers before things turn into a bigger incident. I imagine this could likely result in high command suspending any officers that get a criminal case filed against them, due to them being able to trust that if Angel is pushing it, then it must have merit. I also think it might help prevent some of the potential loopholes that high command could have tried to do, like making all reports pertaining to a criminal case into an internal investigation making it impossible to FOIA. Since Angel is a Judge she will probably be able to see those reports and verify whether any of the information is useful, or sensitive information that needs to remain as an internal PD document.

the former W cop....

She ruled against pd several times this is just one of those things cornwood was basically going nothing in terms of speed so the call was made since he was going nothing it was fine. Basically what cornwood did was reasonable while if an officer decided to slam into someone at 50 it’s not.