Interviews: Mr Kaul on the Indian action in the Portuguese territory of Goa; Dr Noggarrah, Portuguese Foreign Minister on the Portuguese position. India invades the Portuguese colony of Goa. Date: 18/12/1961
My father MR. ROSARINHO BRAGANZA, was a freedom fighter. I am proud of him. He worked hard to get Goa liberated. God bless him and all freedom fighters of our nation.
@@Chapadaria Like Britain, Portugal has lost its colonies, and today it is nothing compared to India. Even India's GDP is about close to $3 trillion and will increase, than a pathetic $237 billion GDP of Portugal, and expected to go lower in the coming years. Basically, today you will have to deal with shitholes in your neighborhoods from Islamic nations close to your borders from the south. You even lost Macau to China. While India produces a variety of products in innumerable fields, the best Portugal could produce was Ronaldo (good man, I am sure, but that is all). Nothing more. In the next 50 years. Portugal will be a limited in its influence, while India now and then, will be making and gaining influence with some big players. I understand it is very hard for you to comprehend these short facts, but its the sad truth. Portugal is finished.
We are proud of you Pandit Triloki Nath Kaul. India has not forgotten Kashmir Pandits nor will India ever. India will make sure that the day soon arrives when Kashmiri Pandits will return to their homeland with pride and dignity.
@bat wayne There have been 9 mass migrations of Kashmiri Pandits from Kashmir since the dawn of Indian civilization. One of these mass migrations in the 1600's played a significant role in the eventual militarization of a community founded by Guru Nanak and profoundly affected the development of a major world religion and its ethos. Kashmir is a valley that was originally an alpine lake with the name of Satisar. Many central asians and so called Kashmiris of Persian and Turkic origin have no knowledge of Kashmir's history prior to 1000 AD, the start to their ugly invasions and profoundly vile occupation. Names like Gillani, Hamdani, Bukhari, Jeelani and Zargar are non-Kashmiri names, and these names are themselves a testament to their place of origin (outside of Kashmir). Many of those claiming 'India' as the occupier are themselves occupiers and non-Kashmiris. The memory and the bond created between Kashmir and Bharat is ancient, civilizational, irrevocable, and ultimately, unbreakable.
@I'm more than a human lmfao why not, he is a pandit that's his identity. He's an Indian first but a pandit too. I'm a kashmiri pandit and a proud indian
No different than the cunning pro-western anti-india racist reporters from UK, USA, Canada, Europe and Aus/NZ who expect India to follow Gandhism and Non-violence even when she is attacked by a foreign power and these white supremacists want India to support all their selfish western agenda. They were and still are trying to dumb down the entire world with their cunning narratives for initiating their agendas. 🔷 🇮🇳
i wish they didnt cut the part where reporter was asked what would he do? astonishing how lack of persepctive is plaguing public place inspite of all technology avalaible
But the point of a journalist is precisely to ask difficult questions. No doubt I don't agree with him, but that's his job, to not suck up to his guests.
the most difficult questions are those about ourselves. thats why nobody wants to ask them. no wonder that reporter kinda forgot what colonial force was england, maybe he was just ignorant@@academicsanonymous2770
@@FalconAviationChannel Lmao bruh. Why are you spamming about giving goa to Portugal. Firstly, you are the one actually living in Mediaeval Ages, still thinking of colonialism. Secondly, India was the golden bird, contributing more than 36% of world's gdp. It was the European colonists who destroyed our culture, heritage, knowledge and wealth. And Portugal was also one of them. Hope you will realise the truth and respect India.
@@FalconAviationChannel YES, it is because of colonists. Looting India and using its resources abroad. And if you want to justify this, I don't have anything to say. www.jstor.org/stable/44147226?seq=1 Please first increase your knowledge and then talk about India's poverty.
@@FalconAviationChannel that’s funny. Europeans lived in the Stone Age longer than any other group of people on Earth. The Chinese, Indians and Middle Easterners all independently discovered agriculture and independently created the first civilizations while Europeans were still living as Hunter Gatherers in caves and jungles, a Stone Age existence. What’s more, India and China were the richest economies in the world for thousands of years, when Portugal was a mere backwater of Europe, which was a backwater itself at the time, full of poverty and starving, illiterate peasants without adequate food and clean water. It was only the colonial loot of Asia and the New World that, combined with the imperialism of the British and French and their subsequent developments of the Industrial revolution (thanks largely to Science and technology from China, India, the Middle East and elsewhere) that Portugal and the rest of Europe even became relevant and richer than they used to be. You are only relatively prosperous because of loot and thievery, don’t be so proud of something so shameful. Your ignorance and prose speak volumes about your intelligence and character.
Remember Sri Lanka and the USSR supported India at the United Nations General Assembly while other countries, including Portugal, the US and the UK were against India. My great granduncle Prof. Gunapala Malalasekera was the ambassador to the United Nations representing the Dominion of Ceylon(now Sri Lanka) then. *[EDIT]* 16.11.2023- I noticed that I've typed it as "Sri Lanka and Russia". It wasn't Russia, but the USSR, which was made out of 15 SSRs, Russian SFSR was only one of them. Also corrected some grammatical errors.
@@halohaalo2583 So... What is the problem with that? India also helped LTTE until Rajiv's assassination. Still there are small groups in Tamil Nadu which are trying to make a new Dravidian country from Tamil Nadu and North, East Sri Lanka.
As an American, I am amused at why are Indians and Portuguese fighting on RU-vid? This happened 50 years go, right? It was all very simple. India picked up its sword, Portuguese troops in Goa cried and begged not to die, India agreed and shipped most of them back to Portugal unharmed. Then the Portuguese fascist government under the dictator Salazar was discredited and severely weakened only to completely collapse a decade later. So, Portuguese you should be grateful to India. They helped you defeat your own corrupt brutal dictator Salazar who came to realize that India is one country he cannot bully.
punit p Looking back at History with modern morality's eyes its kind of...not smart?Besides,being in a place,any place,for more than 500 years,kind of makes it feel like Home,right.How old is the modern USA,how old is modern Germany or Russia or...India?
CupRunethOver I can see that you are another ignorant american! By the way, the portuguese troops in Goa were only 3000, and we weapeanry from the second world war. with no air force and navy to suport them. Against 40 000 strong and well equiped indians with air force and navy. The Indians had the obligation to win. Besides, the portuguese troops never though at all. Only some soldiers. Because if they did, probably they would have caused great casualties to indians. Maybe half the indian army could be Destroyed!
12ze34 As an American I can say I would have no say in this dispute and you are right. America is like 200 years old. Ripples in the pond of time when compared to 450 years rule in Goa. It's very easy for some fucktard to come on and just say "well that was 50 years ago, get over it." We here in the U.S. do not share a history of being occupied by a an outside force. I'm sure in the case of Goa's occupation there's a lot blood that was shed that echo's through history.
Michael Iravani As a matter of fact,you do "share a history of being occupied by an outside force",they were called "the British",latter on known as "Americans"...at least this was told by an "Indian" to me. ;)
Exactly my very first thought upon seeing this video. And a stark contrast to where India is as a nation with their leadership now, one can only imagine any of our politicians ever measuring up to such levels of statesmanship
@@icemax7 You must be mentally handicapped to think that Indian diplomacy in the 50s and 60s was better than it is in 2023. Do you even understand how terrible Krishna Menon was at dealing with the world, especially the US? They used to provide us with wheat and other crops when we were literally starving, and we used to thank them back with passionate speeches in the UN by Krishna Menon as to how terrible the US is. They were literally saving us from starvation, and we were demonizing them in return. That is not good foreign policy lmao. Just because you have a posh British accent doesn't mean you're a good diplomat retard. Indian diplomacy is at it's peak right now, with everyone wanting to invest in our country. But coolies like you will always crave for the "good old days" when you used to be a dogshit insignificant country ruled by coconuts with posh English accents, who would spit on your ugly Indian face for being an Indian. Tell me something, do coolies like you have some shared humiliation kink or something? Why do you crave for the days when being an Indian used to be a humiliating thing?
@@icemax7 he was the chief of general staff of Indian army in 1962 replacing Thimmaya who was a battle hardened general, and he is a favorite of Nehru and Menon. After the defeat, he was sacked and Manekshaw was appointed to that position, to consolidate our north east defenses.
Such erudition much wow. Yet, not a one of the myriad foreign policy problems that have plagued India since her independence was deftly handled by either Triloki Nath Kaul or any one of his erudite peers
Only ONE temple is alive.. That is tamdi surla mahadev temple.. And they say their saint xavier did some magic and ppl willingly converted to Christianity.. Lol.. Don't fool us..
@@theawkwardcurrypot9556 Hindu is the identity given by foreigners but the real name is Sanatan Dharma which we follow and with rise of our our civilization it was our religion which we practiced
Yes, I may remind you that both Britain & Portugal have terrorized India when occupied the Sub Continent for there stealing and robbing activities. Jai Hind, jay Goa.
Lol go and read about him how he was the dummy of soviets ,how supposedly was honey trapped by a Chinese girl One single search on Google will direct you there Being born in affluent family and speaking good English doesn't amount to intelligence
@@mrhellaboy I sailed on INS Betwa to Andaman and then onwards to Malaysia, i think it was 1982, when I was one of 6 NCC cadets who were selected in the Annual NCC republic day camp. It was so exciting. Brahmaputra was the other ship with us.
@@farben_ thats false..portuguese have the best accent indeed..read about it. Portuguese peopleuse to make fun about spanish and french people speaking english
Many people in the comments section are appreciative of Mr Kaul’s accent. Apart from accent , the greatest part is he kept is composure and was able to point out exact dates on his answers without losing his cool.
@@sarahmughal2164 WE HAVE THE FIFTH LARGEST ECONOMY. WE SHOULD SIMPLY BUY ALL OF PORTUGAL AND START USING PORTIGAL AS A GARBAGE DUMP FOR INDIA'S TRASH.
Roman language......based on Sanskrit. Queen spoke a different language altogether. In our schooling English is still the first language as it acts as a global connection. The British people used to speak Latin. That's why your last rites are done using Latin language but that's limited to elites only now. Romans created English language. Remember this. Tell your friends too. The funny part is English grammar is almost entirely picked from that of Sanskrit.
" Anyways the Portuguese and British dont have that kind of muscle anymore " The European countries are getting chased down by the Russians and Chinese governments power and influence .
@@ramprasadrai4101 yes you are absolutely right, Indians seem obsessed with English and English accents, just goes to show that India may be freed from the English but their minds are still colonized. There are literally hundreds of videos on you tube where I see Indians constantly asking Americans and others what they think/know of India? Who cares what someone else thinks of your accent and your country, Keep working hard and prove yourself. Ultimately that is what matters. God bless all!
Ls Vijay you may want to enlighten the rest of us your idea of what a s*** language is and your list of s*** and nons*** languages; if not we appreciate your comic touch here:)
@@tolykozin1 Probably because Indians speaking English seems so horrible on any non Indian's ears. So listening to an Indian speaking English softly is a pleasant surprise.
@@ramprasadrai4101 He was born in Akalgarh so he probably spoke hindi with a Punjabi accent.. but then, Hindi speakers think ALL Indians should speak Hindi and you are even trying to force Hindi onto the South Indians. Be warned: West Pakistan wanted to impose Urdu onto East Pakistan.. and we all know what happened next..
"Oxford University held an academic consensus calling the occupation of East Timor a genocide and Yale University teaches it as part of its Genocide Studies program"
Mr. Kaul was an astute bureaucrat and he could beat the illogical argument for continuing Colonialism with a cleverly crafted reply. I enjoyed the video immensely.
I feel bad for Kashmir Pandits. They are such gems and loved India with heart. Sad to see that now Kashmir is represented by converted people who hate India to core. Much worse, these converts have driven out all the Pandits from Kashmir stripping them of residence.
Excellent .... Hats off to Mr.Kaul ... austerity, Clarity, courage, diplomacy all sparkle in his speech... India has indeed produced great statesman like Mr. Kaul... Its because of these great men, India is what it is today ... These heroes need to be celebrated.
@@jayantjha3128 we crying? No who is crying is the people from Goa, Daman and Diu...that never had the chance to choose...what a democratic country India is...
@@ljlj8155 lmao theres no freedom struggle in goa and daman and diu and they are some of the most patriotic Indians out there. How do I know? I have been there
@@jayantjha3128 well what I know is that many many tens of thousands of Goan people ( etcnily indians) Left the territory as refugees after the invasion in 1961 and moved to Mozambique and to Portugal, and today many of them are prominent rich families. What I know is that the current Goan people keep the portuguese first name and sure name, and keep the portuguese traditions and culture as the Catholic religion, language and songs etc . They Also keep the portuguese name of the streets. It was 450 years of presence, and it was at least since the last 2 centuries a peaceful cohabitation- Goa the Rome of the Indic. If the majority preferes to be independent, Indians or portuguese only a referendum can prove it. Not just a nationalist opinion. That is what a democracy does. So if there are no doubts, And if India dominates the territory since 60 why is there any afraid to make a referendum? You know that Mumbai was offered as gift to the portuguese King by a Majará? Don’t compare the portuguese with the brits. Difference history. The funny fact is that Goa is one of the most richest state of India...that’s maybe the main reason because India has invaded and conquered by arms...not because you we’re against colonialism- that I Am too- economics as usual... Portugal had a minor force in Goa...just a few mans in infantry...india camed with planes, tanks, and an army 20X bigger...cause the portuguese army was aggressive... 😂...Portugal was very aggressive just by being in Goa since 1500... Anti colonialism propaganda by totalariam regimes ...I supposed that Mr. Gandhi was against wars and oppression...
Many indian think, Goa is Cristinity places. If knows about Goan history will better to understand about hindusium place who looted Goa and converted forcefully and badly treated to become Christan.
@@Rogeraj Has he? I only knew about his role in India's humiliating defeat in 1962. Would you please elaborate. PS: He was a General solely because he had political connections and not due to his competence.
@@Rogeraj Not him; it is the conduct of his cook that is suspect. He may have participated in the eventual cover-up, but he was only a diplomat heeding the orders of the political executive.
In December 1928 during the Indian National Congress session at Calcutta Nehru said “ Goa has a culture distinct from the rest of India and will be treated as a separate entity “ Nehru Publicly admitted we Goans are not Indians.
Honestly lots of respect to the founding Indian administration. It was a monumental task to maintain our sovereignty and establish the Indian state in the age of imperialism.
i still believe...India was late to free Goa from Portuguese...it took Indian government 14 long years after to do so....d local people had to fight tooth n nail with very less help from d outside world...which was disheartening..,
@@br3menPT the bravery of Pakistan is reflected in the form of Bangladesh on global map...and by the way you said in one of your comments that Goa was Portuguese colony for some 400 years...well before that it was Indian territory for the last 5000 years so we just reclaimed our land.
@@br3menPT really ?? In last 3000 years four different kings have ruled the geographical region which is today known as India as one Kingdom...when Chandragupta Maurya and Ashoka the great ruled it it was called Bharathvarsh...when Akbar the great and Marathas ruled it it was known as Hindustan...even your traders of that era mentioned Indian Kings as Mughals of Hindustan...Just the term India was coined by Brits it doesn't mean that India didn't exist before 1947.
He was right. Portugal refused to acknowledge the writing in the wall and to persuit the dialog and negotiation that would have avoided the bloodshed of 13 long years of colonial war, with countless lives being lost and injured.
One can read the comments section and correctly infer that Mr kaul's statement spies in the current day scenario as well. The Portuguese nationalist lives in the past , reminiscing about former colonial glory as he knows deep down that the countries he conquered have surpassed them economically and militarily while it gradually fades into obscurity.
I remember an R K Laxman cartoon was published in Times of India in 1961 showing the Portuguese rushing to a ship carrying them back to Portugal, with an impression of an Indian soldier's boot on their Butt.LOL During my visit to Portugal a few years back, I was surprised to see the struggling population with most people living cheque to cheque. Beggars could be seen in the streets. Obviously they enjoyed the wealth earned from their Colonies and left nothing much for the following generations.
This was due to the 1775 earthquake which forever crippled Portugual. And on top of that the early republic that got taken over and stabilized by Salazar. Even though he was autocratic, he did good for Portugal in the start by stop it being in a perpetual revelution and unstable state.
Goans have lived in peace until India claimed as their own. The portuguese dod not divide India in 5 did they? Blame yourself for the lack of civil rights in your country. Blame yourself for treating your woman like shit instead of treatong cows like goddess. Blame someone else for the current wars there. In Portugal there is no war and rough sleepers and beggers are everywhere. The portuguese have done more for your contry that your own people.
@@brunotorres7332 come to india we will beat your àss with the bata shoe for sure. You forgot mentioned the goan atrocities by Portuguese Christian missionaries.
Very well educated and articulate man just like my grandfather and many others who were educated during that time. My grandfather attended school and university during 1930s and early 40s. One thing he used to tell us was that the quality of education was very high during British era, though very few Indians attended University during that time but those who did had very high level of articulation, Intelligence and IQ. Many of the books and novels my grandfather studied during his school time are now taught at college for English honours program. Basically, school educated kid of that time = College educated kid of our time. No wonder India produced many great school during that time.
My father knew this intellectual giant. Few like him in our planet. Even if one ignores his excellent English and focuses on what he mentions one is totally amazed. Today India is surely the third strongest military power after Russia and the USA mainly due to the founding fathers of modern India. They were extremely intelligent, highly educated, absolutely honest and had no materialistic greed in them, and were also great nationalists. People such as them and Mr. Kaul were feared by our enemies. Sadly most of the establishment in India today is led by uneducated people thus they are loved by our enemies. Our enemies can do no harm to India since we are militarily very powerful and even these uneducated leaders fortunately are nationalists.
He was a genuine Kashmiri that too from a remote area of the Valley. Known to my family. Today objectively few can match even him internationally. Rishi Sunak has the best possible education but any honest individual will mention he is no match for Mr. Kaul. Even if one ignores the excellent English oratory his ideas are extraordinary as well. Proud to be a Kashmiri as Saadat Hasan Manto wrote to Pandit Nehru.
Trying not to sound like a smartass but have you heard of the British Navy? I’m pretty sure it’s bigger and stronger than the Indian navy. Extra info for some people, imagine the Indian marines/army sailing to Portugal,Gibraltar or mainland Britain, would you expect the Indian navy to beat the British and with NATO siding against India? Probably not.
@@comtesntifkf1483 i dont think defeating britain is a motive for india and clearly if they were at war it wouldn't be a piece of cake for india. but i think presently india is more powerful militarily than the uk...though we have less nukes i suppose.
@@comtesntifkf1483 Lol we have 3rd largest defence budget,4 th largest airforce, 4th largest navy and 2nd largest army. We are worlds 4 th strongest country after Usa, Russia, China. Britain have no chance against us 🤭. Russia is our best friend to fight against nato.we are also 5th largest economy and fastest growing major economy after China.
@@smartbaba1321 your economy is a absolute shit. Trillions isn't impressive. The debt is of th USA is in the trillions. It's ironic how you call my country poor while you are wiping your ass with your hand. Also stop using emojis like that it's very cringy.
Look at the quality of the interview. Two Gentlemen with contradictory views have a healthy debate in an evenly toned voice and, most importantly, letting each other finish.
Do not confuse command over English as a measurement of intelligence. Those days most of the upper class families used to go to England for their studies. In this case Mr.Kaul is an exception.
No you´re wrong! Even international court of Hague concluded in 1954: Goa was not a colony! And until 1975 Portugal was a pluricontinental country, it was the same country in Europe, Africa and Asia! For sure the world will not allowed that because they were quite jealous...
LOOOOOOL Im sorry but that its not true..you´re lying. By thr way the majority of Goans never wanted to be part of Indian Union..thats why you needed to invaded and occupied the territoire... Portugal nazi? LOL....
it was a civil dictatorship!!! ruled by a professor!! Not by militar! Don´t lie! Its not necessary...Portugal never been Nazi thats nonsense LOL. You dind´t established any democratic federal state...because Goans never wanted to be part of India. You´re totallt mental block with that fake propaganda about"nazis" lol and "colonial racist" Read some books and be serious if you can. Indian supported fake riots with Indians with no relation with Goa...Neru lost the question and he had no alternative, he left his fake and hipocrit pacifism and without declaration of war invaded a foreign country with 45000men against 3500 eheheheheh Indian only wanted to steal Goa nothing more else. neru even said: Goa will be Indian even if Goans don´t wanted LOL..why the hell he said that???? No democracy at all you just wanted to thieve Goa.
secular free nation? MUAHAHAHAHAHA India is a country only since 1947...goans were portuguese for over 450years!!! LOL Goans never voted about the invasion! Goans never wanted to be part of you thats why a lot of them say today: get the fuck out of Goa you sirty Indians"...how bad....
I am living in Delhi, India.. and I used to visit my friends in Goa, India. And have fun there.. Goa is very good place. Goa is one of the smallest state of India.. on,y 3700 Km sq.. a tiny cute state.. Love Goa, Love India..
The English language spoken in an elegant and eloquent way by Mr Kaul The reporter had nothing to say and was fumbling because of the hard hitting realisation of facts
Because British reporters are supposed to be impartial and only ask the pertinent questions. The BBC continues to be impartial by today's standards, but in the past British reporting was even more impartial, with impartiality only broken by the US government influencing Britain and telling them what to say.
He was a Kashmiri Brahmin and I am a Dogra from Jammu and my family was close to him. His family were all great Bharati nationalists. He was and is hated by the Jewish lobby led by Dr. Kissinger. The reason Kissinger a China-lover was humiliated by Kaul in the 1971 war. Kaul outmaneuvered Kissinger and thus Bangladesh was born. It is well known that many Jews are insecure thus do not like brilliant people to lead Bharat. They prefer the semi-educated mostly idiots we have today. Shastri loved Kaul and Shastri died a natural death in USSR (his personal physician Dr,. Chugh also mentions this) and again the Jewish lobby wanted to spoil the Bharat-USSR relations (by blaming the USSR) but Indira Gandhi was the smartest politician of that period thus could not be fooled. Today the great Mr. Putin is comparable to Indiraji.
@@andromeda2766 sure buddy, and how exactly do you plan to transport your troops xD, so clean the shit of your streets before trying to act mighty, Goa would be better of with Portugal than with India it’s just a statistical fact
01:42 they had been using their force since the time they colonized parts of India. At that point in time of Indian action, they were simply outnumbered and outgunned so they decided not to go for full-fledged war but watch events unfold from lisbon.
@@agrawalji4474 I am not saying English supreme etc. But is it practical? There sre so many languages in India, and Hindi being spoken the most (~54% of the population) and the remaining speak other languages(Assamese, Kannada, Tamil, Marathi etc.), how will everyone be able to communicate with each other?
Very smart guy and sounds the part. His accent is a mishmash between RP(Queen's accent) and an Indian neutral English. My accent is unique too with certain British and American word pronunciations, peppered with a mild Indian tonality. My Hindi is that Pandit accent so colleagues used to Rakhi Sawant/reality show accents started chiding me and I just switched to English..hah😂
As someone from the lusosphere, the idea of India having invaded Goa is angering. Most of the world doesn't really understand the indentity of portuguese """colonies""" like Macau, Goa, Timor, Brazil, Angola, Mozanbique etc. At that moment, Goa should've been either Portuguese or independent. Being part of India probably wrecked their 500 years culture, just like giving Macau to the Chinese did.
>the reason Portugal did not invoke Article 5 of the NATO Treaty (the article about collective defense) is because it could not, per Article 6 Just to add some detail, because this makes it sound like a very clear cut legal point. The real situation was murkier. India opened its diplomatic mission in Portugal in 1948, the year after independence, and since that time had been negotiating with Portugal to end their colonial rule of Goa. Portugal absolutely refused to discuss the issue, claiming that Goa/Daman/Dadra/Nagar Haveli were integral parts of Portugal. In July 1950, the Portuguese Government sent a formal notice to India, saying that the question of independence "could not be discussed," and any Indian proposals for independence or autonomy were not negotiable. India persisted, and sent several more petitions to the Portuguese government asking to open negotiations on the subject of Portugal's colonies on the Indian subcontinent. In 1953, they sent a detailed *aide memoire* assuring the Portuguese that if they gave up their colony, India would maintain the rights, culture, language and customs of the Goan people and make absolutely no changes, except through their consent. The Portuguese government did not respond, and from that point on began ignoring all Indian diplomatic communications. The Indian mission chief tried several times to get appointments to speak with his counterparts in Lisbon, but he was refused. Eventually, India decided that its Portuguese mission was doing no good, since they weren't allowed to talk to any Portuguese officials, and closed down the mission in June 1953. Diplomatic relations did not resume until 20 years later. When diplomatic communications with Portugal failed, India began raising the Goan issue at the UN, which was more or less in favor of decolonization. This raised concern in Portugal, which began to lobby its own allies (mainly NATO) for support. While what you say about Goa not being under the purview of Article 5 is correct, this did not stop Portugal from raising the issue at NATO. In 1951, they explicitly amended their constitution to name their Indian colonies as integral overseas parts of Portugal. They continued to lobby the US, UK and France to support their position. It was actually the UK that put its foot down on the NATO issue, when their Foreign Secretary Douglas-Home explicitly told the Portuguese government that the Indian colonies were not a NATO issue, and they should not expect any help from the UK. The US was more ambiguous. While their stated policy was in favor of decolonization, **not once did the US ever suggest independence or self-determination for Goa**. In practice, their policy was "decolonization, but not for Goa". Not because they cared about Goa, but because that would put Portugal's two big colonies (Angola and Mozambique) at risk of demanding independence too, and that would hurt US-Portuguese relations, and therefore NATO. Since they couldn't afford to antagonize Portugal, the US put diplomatic pressure on India to "settle the matter peacefully and through consensus", and not resort to fighting. The Indian government responded by saying that they had been looking for a peaceful solution ever since they opened diplomatic relations with Portugal in 1948, but Portugal was unwilling to even discuss the issue. How can you negotiate with someone who ignores all written communications, refuses to talk to your diplomatic personnel? Nehru told US ambassador John Galbraith that if the US was really serious about a "peaceful solution", could they at least ask Portugal to talk to India. The reason this became urgent was because of what happened to Dadra and Nagar Haveli, two (much smaller) Portuguese colonies in India. These were tiny enclaves, where local *satyagrahis* launched a violent protest and drove Portuguese officers out. India promptly banned visas for Portuguese travel between their colonies, so Portugal was unable to reinforce them with troops from Goa. This incident told other countries that India was serious about removing the Portuguese presence, and more importantly, it gave new heart to the Goan independence movements. Mass protests against the Portuguese (which had diminished in the early 50's) were reinvigorated, and there were many protests in Goa in which thousands of people marched for independence. This made the Portuguese even more nervous, which caused them to react violently. There were a few cases where Portuguese troops opened fire on the protestors, killing dozens. One particular incident was witnessed by international journalists, which also swayed international opinion against Portugal. Meanwhile, India had built its own lobby at the UN, mostly with other former colonies, insisting that Portugal leave Goa. In the aftermath, there was a lot of recrimination, mostly from the US, which demanded that Indian troops should immediately leave Goa unconditionally. As you say, they tried to get military support to enforce this at the UN Security Council, but that was vetoed by the USSR.
@@greg_4201first allow other country from different continent and different race to rule your lands, then you will automatically understand what injustice means.😂
@@kingrichards9295 clearly that wasn't done for long enough in whatever shithole you're from, 'cause you still have no idea what qualifies as an injustice or not. anyway, the imperial situation you're speaking of is one where a Portuguese flag flew where before there was none... there was no nationstate in any of these places, nor anything resembling the aparatus the inhabitants there now consider part of being a modern civilization 🤷🏻♂️ the inhabitants of Goa were absorbed into the Indian system, which is in turn a thoroughly British system... or at least resembling that more than the various feudal setups that reigned in that territory before the Raj... if you want to claim some injustice that was righted by independence (a thoroughly idiotic view) then throw away all the aparatus of the western wolrd and go back to how you were before... or shut up and stop complaining about literally nothing. and how in the name of all that's sane do you assume no such thing ever happened in my land at one point in time? 🤡 that's a truly asinine thought... of course it did, but you don't hear me complaining about it and calling it an injustice.
@@kingrichards9295 really I'm fed up with you clowns and your total lack of any historical knowledge acting like you have some monopoly on morality because you can regurgitate stupid Marxist slogans... the first thing anyone who actually reads any history notices about any particular country in the colonial age is the local army that supports the inperial power 🤡 what terrible injustice and insult were these men undergoing to be like 'wow, lemme sign up with and fight for these guys' 🤦🏻♂️ or is 'injustice' in your dictionary defined as 'opportunity'? 🤡 you think a few boatloads of guys show up robbing and pillaging shit and the hundreds of thousands or millions of locals are like 'damn, I'm conquered' 😂 the Europeans set up trading posts, locals flocked to them and they became towns administered by the colonists... they brought things from all over the world and made money a thing, usually for the first time, and the wealth, power and stability that grew in these colonies eventually attracted or absorbed all the surrounding people who were now participating in nation building whether they cared or not... the nations you see now were literally forged in this process... they became importers of laws, technology, culture, building techniques, tools, etc, and the experienced administrators, soldiers and artisans that make them possible, becase they were either willing or they were so primitive that their methods couldn't last in the face of these developments, the majority of their people choosing to adopt the new lifestyle and joining the colonial workforce, army or administration 🤷🏻♂️ go cry me a river, it happens to everyone and it's literally how human civilization developed. every 'native' group you could think of either passively or aggressively colonised the land they were found on by the European empires... you wanna single out one particular group at one particular time and accuse them of 'injustice'? like I said, take of your clothes, forget how to read, abandon law, have most children die at birth or in infancy, and throw away everything more advanced than the state your people were at before they were colonised and then say that shit with some integrity! 🤡 unless you do that, you yourself are a PRODUCT of European colonialism. a situation where people who do everything better, live better and could easily defeat or throw off any invader but doesn't because of brainwashing and corrupt, usurped leadership is a travesty, but where people are stuck hundreds or thousands of years in the past it's called progress.
I've read a lot of comments on this video about how Portuguese Goa was better and how India is poor/dirty/ etc/etc. Lots of puerile India-bashing. Such comments came from the Portuguese of course and shamefully from some people who claim to be Goans. My only point: let's stop the discussion and I would really like to see Portugal try to take Goa back.
Dirtiest country in the world. Build toilets before talking of agni. Stop the vile governance. Educate people stop the infanticide of females. Stop the rapes.
tirikamtel Portugal cant even defend herself without NATO or the US having to hold her hand. Its cliché and boring to talk about toilets. Rapes happen in all parts of the world. BTW, Portugal was a major player in the rape sport while they were colonising - the rapes of ethnic Goans especially. One of the most morally bankrupt countries in the world and soon to be financially bankrupt. If you are Goan, then stop licking your colonial masters boot. You are living in the mid 50s'
tirikamtel Portugal is still living in dark ages mentality. So proud of her past of colonising, murder, rape, looting and piracy. Keep dreaming about your Portugal Empire that has disappeared leaving you with only debt. You are beggars in front of EU.
Sagar Rao Thousands of indians are now living happily in Portugal away from poverty and misery. Go and check it out. Even those rascal freedom fighters have Portuguese citizenship.
tirikamtel Thats great. Everyone is free to do as they want. Do you have a point? That Portugal gave citizenship to the people she oppressed for hundreds of years? Clap clap.
To all the Portuguese people who are screaming in the comment section about Goans not being happy in India or about Goa being a part of Portugal let me say one thing. All your screams are going in vain since we kicked you out of our country and now you can't do anything other than screaming. So scream and yell all you want and you're free to say anything to India but the fact is you're not getting Goa back😂😂😂😂😂😂
Since 2011, the Portuguese economy has already shrunk 4.5% and it's predicted that it will shrink more 2.3% in 2013 (totaling 6.7%). The Portuguese population has been shrinking since 2009 due to emigration caused by the economic crisis.[81] Between 2009 and 2012 the unemployed population rose from 473,000 to 769,000.[81] Meanwhile, the number of people in situation of poverty rose to 2.7 million people.[82]
Actually porverty deminished by 0,1%, and even though Portugal is in crisis, we are still way richer than you will ever be. More than that, while you have to be "vegan", so you can get some space to produce food for that filthy enormous amouth of half-breeds of your's, we can eat imported food taken from India...lol
Cohen Sommer It also means you cant even produce your own food, and the bad governance in india is result of nepotism, and divide and rule policies woven by colonial powers itself. And all the wealth that your ancestors have looted is the main cause that you are well fed, But they forgot, they have fed you with their own Sins.
justafun12 No, it means we have money to buy the food that you porduce but that you can't afford although you desperatly need it. Oh man! Do you really think that we still live of the wealth of our former empire?
Then why are you concerned if somebody says that your empire got a Christmas present in form of liberation of Goa, do you think Salazar would have done any good? At least now the land belong to the mother country which never belonged to Portugal. All these comments show the guilt your generation carries over from the colonial roots of being superior.If you are superior be superior why does it incinerate a feeling of being destroyed onto you. If you want facts you can search the net. If you are still not satisfied come to India, you will see how mucyh ever you say about different Gods they exist., I dont know if god exists in reality but it always does in peoples mind. But demeaning what others do will never lift anybody. I think many of Portugese gave the colonial past a passe and thats how the country excelled, if it really did. So take it in your stride and be happy. why create an issue in the first place. Nor you or me are in position to declare war and fight it. All nonsense
justafun12 I do not belive in any king of devinity, and therefore you may hear me talking about religions, which are factual historic groups, but never about god or gods. The same way you will bever hear me bashing anyone because he is catholic, protestant, hindu or whatever. Notice that everyone in here talked about that except me. I do not belive, but I respect who does in any kind of form. On the other way, I do not respect people that does not respect democracy, and the case of GOA is na invasion. Portugal created and empire, carried it until 1999/2002, with diferent levels of tiranny and democracy. Since 1975 is trying to redeem itself for some things it made in the past, but you have to take in account that it was done in diferent times, while India is doing exactly the same in presente days. That's the point from the bigining, and that's what people like Siddahartha have bein ravaging around.
HOW THE GOANS CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY? HOW AND WHO DESTROYED THE TEMPLES OF GOA? IF THE GOANS AND AIL THE OTHER INDIANS DESIRED TO TAKE REVENGE, WHAT WOULD HAPPENED TO PORTUGUESE WAS IN GOA IN 1961.
I cannot believe that portugese are still but hurt about this. You invaded and colonised my country, British left peacefully, so did the french. You didn't. We threw you out.
Please do not mistake portuguese people for the ones writing here . Vast majority wouldnt even have the idea of searching about Goa invasion on the internet, so only a few nostalgic for the empire comment. Although most Portuguese are proud of their history, and yes, also proud of the empire that emanated from such a small nation, its just the past and seen as such.
@@pedronogueira7689 You Portuguese are most welcome back as tourists, first two rounds of drinks are on us! Agreed, let the past stay in the past, much love to you guys!! ❤️❤️🍻🍻
Portugal got a Christmas gift which was "Mourning" in Dec 1961. English forces would have taken Goa however Portugal had a treaty with them. I still wonder why we allowed them till 1961. Had it been any other county whose civilians would have been targeted by weak Salazar they would have bombed Portugal itself than Goa.
allowed us until 1961? last time i checked we had a war and guess what? we won the war thats why we stayed there for 400 years. all you indians have is numbers, nothing else... and now goans hate being a part of india... i would have liked to see india bombing us... what a fucking joke
Our independent military was powerful enought to dislodge estada de goa within 72 hours and all the big wigs of portugese empire escaped in cover of night, and you say you ruled, hehehe what joke?
justafun12 Should I remind you that India was only able to do that, after asking Egipt to stop the portuguese naval force in the Suez Channel, and after the start of the Colonial war in Angola where natives wre supported by the USA, China, Cuba and Russia? India wouldn't be able to pull that one out without those tow factos. So yes, we ruled for 451 years in seravl states of India, which was born, by the way, only in 1947.
God bless India and Portugal. We must all strive to make the world a better place for all. Maybe one day we can agree that our past union was for a greater purpose.
Sorry no. It was not a great Union for us. Look up the Goan inquisition by shefali vaidya and learn how the Portuguese treated our people. How they stole their children, tortured the people to force them to convert from their ancestral indigenous practices. Don't know why you can think it was a good union knowing what they did to your people
@@Seevawonderloaf better to study a bit more and you will know who first ended the slavery system in india... better to notice how many thounsands of christians are still killed nowadays in india because of them religion.
It were two different times, besides Goa is inside the Indian Union and East Timor is an island that had a guerrilla movement for self determination. Most of the goans that wanted portuguese rule went to Mozambique and Portugal, the majority, I believe, wanted to be part of the Indian Union
