Mr. Steele Apex converted to FETTEC and DJI | complete how to

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I converted my Mr. Steele Apex to FETTEC F7 and FETTEC 45A 4-in-1 ESC. I also took out the analog video and put in DJI. So how bad is it?
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-- TABLE OF CONTENTS --
0:00 - Intro
2:04 - Install ESC, solder capacitor and spike absorber, connect FC
6:07 - Solder up Crossfire receiver
7:43 - Install Caddx Vista
15:49 - Solving a few problems with the build so far
17:38 - Installing the last few items
20:54 - KISS Configuration
33:21 - Test flight and commentary

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@JoshuaBardwell 3 года назад

I forgot to put the disclaimer on this video. All the products in this video were purchased by me except the FETTEC F7 which was sent by FETTEC.

@SickOfLife90 3 года назад

except for the flight footage that was paid for with steele's soul when you added all the latency back

@WARHATER1457 3 года назад

The idle up setup on the transmitter kinda confused me

@kingnothingfpv2303 3 года назад

So why dont you only use Kiss FC or FC+ESC on a different frame/motors etc to see if its all about Kiss FC/ESC... Would be a great video... Wanna see if you will still get same locked feel... And use analog fpv again to put latency aside...

@FlyingSikhFpv 2 года назад

@@kingnothingfpv2303 interesting very interesting

@matthewayrton2786 2 года назад

@Joshua Bardwell Have you done another updated video on this ? I'd be very interested in seeing Vannys take on setting up the FETTEC.... His CL1 Build looked great, also the comments from other pilots was promising re: smoothness and negated prop wash. Cheers 🍻

@michaelc5027 3 года назад

Joshua, you mention the little holes in the pads being difficult to deal with in terms of soldering. I use T-Motor ESCs on my quads and they all have that sort of pad design. The way that I learned to get around the solder seeping through to the other side is to use some masking tape on the backside to cover the hole while soldering. I use blue 3M tape and have had no issues. Just a tip if you care.

@sanderj8784 3 года назад

HEYYYY that is my Apex and Vista antenna mount design! :-) I am happy you like it. I have had the exact same issue as you, just a few months earlier. This mount has held up really well and also allows the antenna to flex just enough not to get damaged. Just one tip: apply a little blob of CA glue on the Vista antenna tube and the circular antenna casing. I noticed that seems to get loose over time.

@anomoly40 3 года назад

Lost footage killed a personal comedy project I was working on. I feel you man.

@wojked 3 года назад

Thank you again for the footage. I live overseas, far away from you, but every time you take a quad for a test flight, I got this feeling you are nearby at a well known and popular spot. Take care!

@paulandersen212 3 года назад

That new short opening is great!

@BikeGuyFPV 3 года назад

You can change the functionality of each UART in the KISS setup. When you clicked on 'Advance Serial Settings,' you can then select each one to do a different function.

@vektr6278 3 года назад

Fettec is amazing !!! I just recently build one and flew on krunks. Its smoothy and mushhy good

@Vanblade1692 3 года назад

Some great videos recently JB. Im checking out some items thanks to you and getting back in the game.

@gmivisualsjason3729 3 года назад

Great video as always Joshua

@ramo_fpv 3 года назад

I watch your outros every time to the end. love them :D

@AdrianoCasemiro 3 года назад

Don't we all? And I'm not even planning to tackle a kiss build...

@allennickles3970 3 года назад

I started watching you three years ago JB and we have come a long way from the components we started with. Im on my third Fettec F7 build so far i have used nothing but the 35amp 20x20 esc with a 45amp or 50amp low esr compasiter. And i have run this stack on 6s & 4s.4inch & 5inch builds.. Once you figure out what you can do with 💋 Kiss the builds get a lot easier. On stock pids without any presets prop wash is near non existent! And i do love the simplicity of tunning with Kiss because i suck at tunning 3.5.7 above Betaflight . Adjust the rates and throttle curve & fly it some more! You will see that it is different for sure😀 PS: The Fettec configurator has a new firmware update for the esc. I was running one wire. But for the last 10 packs i been running Dshot 2400 without any issues!

@Its_Mee_Bee 3 года назад

Great summary at the end. I almost exclusively fly KISS/FETTEC, but it’s not because it has some magic that makes it immensely better than anything else. For me, it just always works to get the result I want with minimal effort, whereas with other systems I found I was unable to get there without a lot of tuning effort. For other people, the opposite is true. Fly what works for you.

@MUNKYFPV 3 года назад

You can get camera plates used on the HD Apex frame, they come with spacers for the camera and they are’s drilled to move the dji camera forward slightly so you don’t get the front standoffs in view with camera angles below around 30 degrees. Unfortunately you can’t just buy the standard Apex frame with HD camera plates as an option.

@jbonez0 3 года назад

Great info, thanks JB - I'm going to start this build now, just got the DJI Air unit delivery today -. (last part I was waiting on). Between yours and Vanover's build vids there should be no excuses save bad solder joints on the ECS pads that it should not fly great. I'll look for any more info you might provide on the tune for this build. Thanks again.

@nes.torfernandez 3 года назад

I was hoppy for this video 😍

@cacamacaaa 3 года назад

Quality stuff Joshua. Thank you

@pacificnorthwestpilots6050 3 года назад

Lol, I was just watching the Apex vs Cidora video when the notification for this popped up.

@tango_sierra8608 3 года назад

Really enjoyed this video Joshua. I was one of those people that got a kiss/fettec stack after that rotor riot episode where they made it seem like the most amazing thing. I did this EXACT build on a Glide frame. I found that I actually like betaflight better. Kiss might be better feeling (I can’t feel it though), but absolutely nothing ground breaking like I expected or people say. Actually kind of relieved because I’ve come to learn betaflight so well that the “simplicity” of kiss gui is actually more confusing lol. Glad I can confidently stay on betaflight with some mild tuning guidelines by UAVTech. Wish I saw this video before buying that kiss stack though!

@a.i.thinker4059 3 года назад

Woah your flying greatly improved! FETtec is the shit!

@mattwilson1305 3 года назад

This video answered so many questions for me 👍

@doc_fu 3 года назад

Dont be fooled by that. Kiss is different how it handles pid loop, esc, filtering. Fly 10 packs on bf and another 10packs on well tunned kiss. You will not look the same back to bf after this. Kiss just adds that AI element to your moves and kind of a predicts pid errors :) Joshua like UAVTech dude probably are trying to play some dirty games against rising star ;)

@bp328i 3 года назад

I did almost this exact same build last week except I made a plug for the Crossfire RX as well as the Vista. I have nothing soldered to the FC, not that I mind soldering, just no chance of pads being ripped off the board since the Crossfire RX plug connector is on the bottom of the FC (and it looks so clean with the top plate off).

@runpuppyfpv5744 3 года назад

Very interesting content I watch your videos mostly for the entertainment

@TheDeltatangowhiskey 3 года назад

I would like to point out something that t-motors has started doing which i love. By placing all the pin headers and USB port on the same side of the board you can get a lot tighter and clean build.

@DRONEPOISON 3 года назад

You can use serial 1 for dji as well and just change it the serial tab. Kiss on a stock tune does fly better than stock betaflight for sure. I recently did the same build with a set of the vanover 2207 1860kv, but it's funny just how much alike we think when we built ours, I did the same exact spike absorbers and cap setup and put it in the same spot I just used 3m rubber foam double sided, but I soldered it to a closer motor cap spot. Anyways nice build. Oh yeah I got fettec beta firmware on my esc to run dshot 2400, amazing!

@WKfpv 3 года назад

Kiss tune gets very affected by the weight. The tune I got on my main quad is almost the same as the one you use here. But that's with a session. If you put a hero 8 it will change slightly. The first point you made it's exactly why I prefer kiss, just tell me where to put the cables, I don't want to mess around with 20 uarts. And finally I totally agree with the final thoughts, fly what fits you. Kiss fits me perfect, I am on the same way of thinking kiss people have. But maybe not having an osd or ways to change the uarts offends you, then go beta. Fly what fits you.

@Dav2112 3 года назад

Those pre crimped wiring kits with the plugs are so handy.

@tshirtfactory07 3 года назад

Indeed, sir! Used mine last night. Got it from pyrodrone a while back

@Dav2112 3 года назад

@@tshirtfactory07 great things to have around, man.

@danimalthefirst 3 года назад

My build with the exception I use a Badger frame. So good I now have 4 of em!

@jejefpv 3 года назад

No problem with Vista soldered on UART1 pads :) Nice video !

@tylerpayton7078 3 года назад

I literally have all these parts sitting in front of me right now, I tried this exact build last summer but couldn't get it to work so I went betaflight instead. Now I'm going to retry.

@Kettenhund75 3 года назад

I just ordered FETtec’s FC and 4-in-1 45a ESC with the cap and spike module this morning. I plan on putting it on a catalyst Bang God frame in 6s trim as soon as everything comes in. This video could not have come at a more perfect time. Thanks, Joshua. Edit: I feel there is definitely something different with KISS. Being a novice pilot, it gave me tons of confidence I don't have on any of my BF quads. Maybe you and other pilots that are just so good that your flight style includes the reflexes and reactions that those of us whom are less experienced don't have... and can therefore notice the difference of KISS?

@terry12327 3 года назад

Like the phrase, "Let's Move On, with the build." as the mantra of your drawbacks in life... Keep using it, for all of us have them too. So just " Let's Move ON with the build."... Besides an expert is one who has done everything wrong and now knows how to do it right.

@ThatFlyinRyan 3 года назад

Great watch jb

@djasynchronous7777 3 года назад

🤣love your self deprecating humour 🤙

@MeadowlarkFPV 3 года назад

Can you do review of the vannover cl1 fettec build?

@nicholastsang10e95 3 года назад

That's a great idea I mean its literally almost the same except for the frame and the motors

@koki.k 3 года назад

Mr Steele components on the DJI quad for the next video 🙃

@CF_Joel 3 года назад

I like the tooling!

@jchris_fpv 3 года назад

127 is old firmware for ESC. There are fairly new ones. I would go for the latest one. Thanks for sharing. Cheers mate

@backyardpilot2336 3 года назад

thank you Joshua, great video, I am able to make everything work, even the DJI remote controller by following ur steps. but so far still cannot make DJI OSD to work, (no voltage, no timer after arm)

@danimalthefirst 3 года назад

Yes!!!! That Uart is nearly impossible to get solder to stick too. Cost me one FC already

@platty9237 3 года назад

Lol I noticed the new fence panels... or lack thereof. 😀

@3chulle 3 года назад

When I fly betaflight I think wow it flies really well. And when I fly with Kiss I think, wow, it flies really well. I like them both.✌️😃

@Unknown-sl1qr Год назад

Wonderful !!’ Can I use it with my dji v1 controller??? With out crossfire system?

@CesiumSalami 3 года назад

I just built a Fettec/KISS quad for the first time after flying Betaflight since basically the first day it came out. No doubt it's out of the box tune for a 5" is superb - but at this point - I'm just more comfortable with Betaflight and it's actually less complicated for me since I already know it so well. Given that I know BF so well, I can get a quad in a position that flies better _for my tastes_ faster / easier than with KISS and *cough* with a stack that's half the price. And because I'm a nerd, if something doesn't make sense with BF I can look at the code and if i'm bothered enough - can just write a change for myself. And some of the simplest configuration / quality of life things aren't available in KISS - clearly I'm in the wrong mindset for K.I.S.S. though. But especially 5" with decent size motors, man, all the firmwares can be stellar these days.

@scottyfpv5651 2 года назад

Hmm..I'm setting up mine now. Looking at the wiring diagram. My f7 kiss board has a bridge to switch from 5v to 14v for the vtx plug. So I guess they were listening..except it's still a plug..

@Mustfly 3 года назад

Be careful with vertical mount of capacitor. Need to check that it is enough room. Otherwise you can burn the whole stack after crash, when top plate shortcut your capacitor. I had this issue ))

@juanfelipecaro 3 года назад

I have had 4 Betaflight 5" and one KISS V2 and I like how the KISS fly best. But com'on! KISS is not easier to set up. It might be easier to tune though. My next build will have FETtec, not because it is easier but because how it flies.

@chrismillersrcfamily 3 года назад

That Joshua Guy from the future good guy to have in your timeline📱👍🏼👍🏼

@RYVENANT 3 года назад

Definitely want to try one of these, all I've ever flown is BF. Haven't seen them in stock anywhere though :(

@Mustfly 3 года назад

Thanks! I did the same building with Xnova 1900kv motors. But faced with oscillations on a high throttle even using the lowest PID values. If any thoughts how to avoid it, I'm open. )

@MeadowlarkFPV 3 года назад

thanks for showing your whole process with mistakes and stuff. Makes me fell less stupid ;)

@noforyoutubepremium3108 3 года назад

Yeah, but now you hurt yourself cuz you fell! 🤪

@lostdeath4202 2 года назад

@Joshua Bardwell can you make a video on the BQE Bandolero 5in I just built one with the Fettec 45 amp ESC and the Fettec Kiss F7 smoothest flight I’ve ever flown and I have 10 different Kwads

@kennyono4389 2 года назад

Hey Joshua are you using gummies just to space the esc and fc or did you put gummies in each mounting hole as well?

@gjpfpv5645 3 года назад

Just love how you achieve separation of the power and signalling cables going to the vista ( as a Comms engineer of ten years just like that amount of detail ) then apologize and explain how it could of been attached to the same plug as the signalling pathways 🤣👌😁😂🙂😉🖖✌️👍

@JoshuaBardwell 3 года назад

It's not differential signaling so I'm not sure it really matters.

@gjpfpv5645 3 года назад

@@JoshuaBardwell ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@jbengineering2681 3 года назад

I would love to see you fly the h7 lighting

@douglasyoung3992 3 года назад

I learned and laughed, mission accomplished.

@TheRinger1976 3 года назад

I think moving to the DJI VTX/Camera is what gave you the disconnected feelling... you really can't beat the low latency of those CCD Ethix/Runcam cameras...

@PropagndaX 3 года назад

Lol that’s pretty much a new quad w all those changes. Grandpas Boat analogy.

@bikenbrad 3 года назад

Would there be any advantage in putting a cap and spike stopper on all four corners ?

@RanHam 3 года назад

I've been waiting for 2 months for my fettec f7 board to ship from getfpv. When I ordered no one had the f7 in stock, since then other retailers got the f7 in stock and since sold out

@PineyJustice 3 года назад

Krunked knows his shit with tuning, highly recommend

@seagullhunterfpv 3 года назад

Yeah I have to agree on there not being huge differences in BF and KISS or any other FC software I've used. I just recently 'upgraded' an Armattan Badger to the same FETtec FC and ESC you used as I wanted to know what all the hype was about and it's excellent don't get me wrong. I'm very happy with it. However I also have a second quadcopter with a premium BF FC and a premium BLHeli32 ESC and if anything at this moment in time it actually flys a little better than my KISS build. To be fair I haven't really got into tuning on the KISS build yet so I believe once that's done they will feel very similar. I do find propwash handling is definitely better on KISS straight away, and I like that there isn't quite so much to change. Personally I like both though and I don't regret either, but anyone who tells you one is massively better than the other is just plain wrong. As regards to FPV cameras I kinda get what you mean when it comes to latency. I flown Runcam Split cameras for a very long time which were known for high latency and then I built a quadcopter with a Runcam Micro Swift 2 in it and straight away I felt like I could hit gaps that I wouldn't of dreamed of doing before. Funny thing is I'm thinking of getting DJI next month so it will be like going backwards in a way. One other thing though. Why select FETtec OneWire when it only supports DShot600 and that ESC supports DShot2400? I've been running mine on DShot2400, but I'll switch to OneWire if it's going to benefit me.

@ChainsawFPV Год назад

So just bought my first Fettec 45 amp ESC and installed it last night. Just went to test fly and quad flipped like props were on wrong. Watching your video I just realized I put the ESC in Plug facing down and writing facing up. Apparently that is upside down. Lmao. Oops.....

@alep_sn9550 3 года назад

holes on the pads are to mount the receiver directly to the pcb

@SquareOneFPV 3 года назад

I always zip tie the vista antenna to one of the rear frame post or standoffs or how do you call them 😋? So it's mounted straight up. I am not a fan of 3D printed parts because they add weight fast.

@oscarmeyerfpv2155 3 года назад

The sad part is not the lost footage... it is talking to yourself for 30 mins... 😆 Entertainment as always and yes I learned something!

@STUDIO89CH 3 года назад

Just saw you used steel screws instead of nylon. Is there any benefit? Cause I always think the energy from the impact better breaks my nylon standoffs than getting transfered to my ESC or Flight Controller.

@OriginaldoBo 3 года назад

It’s a f***ing beast! Krunked a beast

@patriciascheer6531 3 года назад

Didn‘t knew that you should use RX3 for DJI! So I soldered it on RX1! 😱 Works well! 😂

@Sir_Hubris 2 года назад

the end was very informative, thx! ¶ ;-)

@cossi_ 3 года назад

I use ser1 for the air unit.

@stacks_life3472 3 года назад

How did you get the voltage to read in the OSD? Mine just says 0

@yngndrw. 3 года назад

"I like cap head screws" he says, as he stuffs them into countersunk holes. :x I like the SH cable set, wish it was available from a UK retailer. I wish you had tried the new FX / ESC / Krunked PIDs on the quad with the original analog setup before trying it with the extra weight and latency of the Vista in order to set a baseline. I'm not seeing the "simple" part of Kiss from your video, it all just to be the same level of complexity as any other software - Just different.

@josefdahari 3 года назад

This video came at the perfect friggin. Time man as I'm about to build an Apex Fettec KiSS build. Stop reading my mind. Bardwell

@OriginaldoBo 3 года назад

Just build it already man

@josefdahari 3 года назад

@@OriginaldoBo it's mostly your fault ken I'm not going to lie dude

@schollemeyer 3 года назад

I own ~30 quads and 5 of them are KISS'd quads and I feel the difference! I don't know why, but I like flying KISS'd quads more than any other quad (BetaFlight/KISS/FalcoX/RaceFlight).

@schollemeyer 3 года назад

and also FetTec is the best of all KISS hardware!

@timothyciarlette8250 3 года назад

If your a heathen, your Ok. This vid was Sweet, thanks Joshua.

@zfpv7211 3 года назад

I use vista on UART1.. But I do like the serial 3 plug because it has all the power and everything you need for the vista. UART1 definitely does work tho Also, you were flying on stock rates lol try Steeles rates

@baverona 2 года назад

if I use the same uarts will this also work on the kiss v2 board?

@ThatFlyinRyan 3 года назад

I like my kwad to hover when its going 80 and it loses signal it keeps going ! At least with hover it will slow it down before crashing and dropping out ! Just a tip !

@skyweaver3199 3 года назад

I really want to build this one....

@SwiftDuckFPV 3 года назад

Yeah man Krunked's tune is legit.

@PhillyDroneLife 11 месяцев назад

Full watch bud . I really enjoyed this video. BTW I swear I heard you say. O Philly.. at the end.. well thank you sir for the shout out.. maybe? Not really? Lol. I've always wanted to try kiss... Mikey

@L0wnoise 3 года назад

joshua, hard to see, but i guess you're using this rubber absorber for soft mounting the FC, right? KISS or F. Niessen recommends hardmount for KISS. What do you say about that? Thanks! I also see that Vanover is using them too for softmounting ...

@JoshuaBardwell 3 года назад

I am using the rubber bumpers that originally came on the Steele build. I guess I would have to check whether he still uses them now that he has moved to FETTEC.

@mk_quattro 3 года назад

Would be great to get a link to that SH cable set with some reasonable EU shipping - this one starts at 20$!

@Krunked 3 года назад

I use the plug with ser3 and vbat in the plug for vista!

@Krunked 3 года назад

I fly fast rates like steele.. u can just change the middle number to the devs/sec u want.. but here are my rates. For anyone that wants to know 1.45/0.75/0.54 roll 1.45/0.75/0.54 pitch 1.43/0.74/0.22 yaw

@3000gtwelder Год назад

My Fettec 45amp esc, just beeps twice when I plug it in, and only 3 blue lights flash? I tried to reflash it with the fettec gui, but it does not see the escs?

@IINGDOANG 2 года назад

how about osd do all numbers show on dji vista 🙏

@finleystannard 3 года назад

How come the esc is upside down? You could have used the bigger xt60 pads the other side for a better solderjoint

@fpvrepublic9700 3 года назад

Just a quick tip for anyone who REALLY has to use wires between the capacitor and ESC : twist the wires as much as possible, and keep the wires as short as possible. Otherwise, there is possibility to introduce pretty bad behavior and end up blowing up the capacitor (and maybe ESC)

@a.i.thinker4059 2 года назад

Golden tune? lol Funny stuff!

@staticmotion1628 3 года назад

the best thing about KISS/FETTECT is you can just get up and fly, i HATE spending hours or multiple sessions messing with filters and different presets that never work because lets face it every single build out there is different and presets don't work as well as you think they should, KISS just works, also you can just use the plug that comes with the vista just need to swap the wires around and I'm also using serial 1

@srqcrna 3 года назад

The reason the TX and RX has holes on the FC is so that you can direct solder the TBS Receiver to the FC via direct solder stand off.

@JoshuaBardwell 3 года назад

Those are the edge pads I think. These holes are not through hole they are tiny vias.

@LizzzardRUS 3 года назад

I thinked to build a fettec. But after UavTech kiss configurator review, i started to cry xD Just ordered another F7 betaflight fc for my new build)

@elis51501 Год назад

Mr. Joshua Bardwell would you be willing to sell me the original OSD, and Regulator board/kiss wiring harness that came with the Apex frame initially? I’ve looked online and they appear to be out of stock everywhere?

@calypsoraz4318 3 года назад

I would definitely like BF more if the air mode worked like kiss' implementation. There are caveats for each.

@alexanderfedorov7890 3 года назад

WOW... Bardwell on kiss.... Did hell just froze? ;) DSHOT600? ;)

@etmonta 2 года назад

Is there any way to connect fettec kiss f7 to hdzero and get osd?

@Rene200Y 3 года назад

You need to pair the FETTEC+DJI combo with TBS Tracer in order to get the latency down again and regain that locked-in feeling. Just like Vanover did with his dream quad.

@PineyJustice 3 года назад

Tracker sucks, go with ghost

@stacks_life3472 3 года назад

Nice