Mr. T, Swiry heated debate on sin and King Solomon roots in Africa -The Wicked Edition episode 262 

MOST PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO LEAVE RELIGION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T IMAGINE A WORLD WHERE THEY ARE 💯 RESPONSIBLE FOR THERE ACTIONS.

Only the enlightened ones will understand what the lady is saying

Unless someone has a personal encounter with God, they cannot speak about Him. You cannot explain what you don't understand. That's all I can say.

The fact that ,everyone believes his God is the true one and whoever disagree is the enemy , that alone speaks of how religion is a weapon to control and condition minds, when one starts asking questions and research on how religion started ,you realize it is a plan ,the kingdom of God is within you ,

Those who understand Nyar hope y'all are spreading the knowledge too stay true to your journey alot of -ve energy out here ✌🏽

the sister is knowledgeable, aware and quite expressive. She understands what 99.999% of the world's population don't. Mr. T is quiet intelligent, young and has the Potential to be influential not just in his local community, but Africa as well. However, he does not understand language or what language is about and how it works, because if he does, he won't be carried away by the poetry of religion, poetry in language make languages highly manipulative, which is what is used in religious teachings these days and use in the translation of religious scriptures for hundreds of years now. The lady understands it but does not have the charisma of Mr. T, who lacks the knowledge and facts that she has. He has cognitive dissidence, and honestly so, while she has knowledge, understanding and not interested in arguing about it. 'My people perish for lack of knowledge', not faith!!! Don't forget, Jesus NEVER preached Christianity, he preached consciousness. Read the Bible to inner-stand and overstand, don't read the Bible to just validate what you think you know already, you won't learn anything from it.

I am a Christian and all that I can say I've seen God working in my life.I have no doubt in the Lord God i serve...Jesus loves you all

I absolutely love her. As many have mentioned, she is still on a path to articulate her understanding in accessible language. But she's a seeker, who has enough courage to speak her truth, even if it represents the minority. Glad we've come as far as discussing these issues in mainstream media. That's progress I suppose.

Romans 5:8 But God demonstrated His own love towards us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us "

I’m all about re learning everything that was Instilled in me and it should make sense. I would choose spiritually over religion anytime coz that’s where I found my God.

What I respect about her is that she always makes it clear, "according to me!"

We need more of these conversations. One thing I can add in support of Nyar Kano is that we can't rely 100% on the official history as taught by the Europeans and consequently as taught in our schools. This is because whoever is in power at the time a particular history is written will edit it to suit them. For instance Spain can't teach in their history that at one time the country was ruled by blacks known as moors because it isn't convenient for them. Our African heritage was criticized and demonized and sadly many Africans have yet to recover from this. They believe anything the white man says and scoff at their fellow Africans for lacking 'wisdom'.

I liked the discussion, still waiting for part 2. I like the calmness in Mr. T he is wise in these deep matters of God.

Mr T is so articulate he is using actual tangible facts not hearsay.. he understands what he is doing..

This is an eye-opener. We need to review our histrory as blacks!

All I can say is that if anyone doubt the existence of God just pray and he will direct you to do good

Mr. T rides on the fact that the audience is mostly composed of religious masses. I give it to him that he is articulate. However, being dismissive of your opponent's sources of information as merely youtube is arrogant and condescending. After all some of us are watching this through youtube and this doesn't make it less authentic. Respecting your opponent in a debate increases your likelihood of winning them over in the debate, as their invitation to participate as a panelist is already acknowledgement by the host of the value that they add to the debate.

something to admire about mr T is his listening skills

A colonizer watching this pastor is very proud of his work!! God come through for Africans Aki it’s been wayyy too long! 🙏🏾 this lady has so much knowledge it’s impressive!

Ooooh....this women bana... Am in love with her mind. So open !!!

Swiry Nyar is a developing intellectual who has immersive knowledge about spirituality, however, she lacks articulation and full immersion on what she believes in. She represents the modern African youths who are tired with the white religion that 'enslaved' their parents and ancestors for decades. Is she doing the right thing? Yes she is. What is it that she gets right? She knows about the basics of spiritualism on both the light and the dark side but she wants to delve into the Dark side and perfect it just like every intellectual that excels in their path. Knowing and mastering your dark side is relevant and a must if you wish to protect what you have/ love or get what you deserve. Knowing and mastering your light side is relevant and a must if you wish to integrate well with the sophisticated humans around you. She is seeking the truth and I appreciate her for that. What does she get wrong? She as many youths think that religion is a set of rules meant to enslave people. Religion is what brings order in a community. Without a common religion within a particular time and space, chaos comes in handy. It is what governs mannerisms in regards to spirituality. Spirituality is a drop of water while religion is a sea (deep phrase). HOWEVER, pastor T who is an intellectual as well, understands what she wants and where she is coming from but he adamantly rejects her sentiments by terming them as RU-vid gibberish (which is wrong considering I came to know about him through RU-vid). For him to think that he is on the right side of knowledge by claiming that he is guided by God and he is in the light is more of a power move and there is nothing wrong with that. I expected a better answer from him on this though. Their source of information has some truth as well as flaws. I appreciate such conversations since they are quite necessary for our youth at this age of information. Keep on the good work. REMEMBER: Read, Meditate and know your GOD.

She is telling the truth. I sooo love her. Yes i have sin...and sin to my own self for we are god .god made us ib his own image. Remember ????

Mr. T telling it like it is.. We want to kick God out of the equation because we don't want to be accountable to authority

When the right button is pressed,every person is capable of going beyond the laws of nature.That part i agree with. 🙏

Religion is a set of rules to divide and conquer. Spirituality is the way to go.

This lady is awakened.

Having been an atheist, "spiritualist, " and then luciferian, I know how hard it is to come out of such matrix. I was saved by Jesus Christ in may 2022, and since then I've not turned back.. I was actually prayed for for several days consistently before accepting Jesus, and admitting He is the Lord. As a practitioner of witchcraft, you might think you have a clear conscience of manipulating energy positively until this power starts to corrupt your being, and you find yourself harming others or manipulating them intentionally. And then that's when you realize there is the Sovereign Lord, who abhor evil and those who use charm to ensnare His people. End of my real life story! Isaiah 5:20-21 (KJV) "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" Ezekiel 13:20-21 (NIV) “ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms; I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds. I will tear off your veils and save my people from your hands, and they will no longer fall prey to your power. Then you will know that I am the Lord."

The lady! 🔥🔥🔥👍👍👍😅😅😅 She's speaking facts!

God bless you Pastor T. Thank you so much man of God

Topic kama hizi zinataka podcast, corporates will not fully support such controversial topics on their tv stations.

The opening statement from Pst T is the summary of the whole conversation. As long as you exclude God you loose everything.

Im glad it's finally here Wake up Kenya

My people perish due to lack of knowledge,ooh God please have mercy on us

All lightworking in Africa, We all need to come together and build a community in Africa where we can live in peace and harmony, something this world know nothing of anymore. We should create a forum where to Meet share experiences..

Hello,... we Ethiopians are here too listening so please we know our history oky ,,. We protected our history with our elders bones and blood,.. don’t forget we were the dark at the darkest hours at adwa ,... thank you sister for leading the path to his reality

Even without much arguing between them one can tell who is covered bythe glory of God

This sister is spot on correct. Unfortunately my brother's are missing the points. Your masculinity does not grant you the right to be be correct. I understand the African culture subscribes that men are always right however in this case this sister is so far beyond the level of what these brothers can comprehend that this serves as an example of how lost the black man and women have become. It is no wonder why we are trapped where are in 2022. Listen to this sister. Try to understand what it is she is trying to tell us. A spell has been cast upon us and she is attempting to show us the exit. If you want to remain lost and confused fine but please allow the rest of us to receive the nourishment of her wisdom. We are thirsty brother. Blessings 2 U All.

When she says when you speak, you cast spells.. The proper way to phrase is that people who speak and their words manifest into reality.. From thoughts to reality...

Mr T anadrop explosive truth bombs... We need more voices of reason like him. Wakristo tukae rada doctrines of devils zimeanza kupata mass media coverage

When the right button is pressed , everyone is capable of going against laws of nature ..... Got me thinking

People fear the dark because they fear themselves.... That hits different. Huu mwaka mungu ameamua kuchangamsha wakenya. BIG UP SISTER 🔥

I like this lady's IDEAS and points.

Indeed we need a part two on this!

We need more of this. Part 2 ASAP

People talking about opponent's feeling and opinions, what about The Creator's opinion? Thank you Mr. T

I find Mr.T quite dismissive in this whole argument. Swiry on the other hand is open to hs beliefs but he seem to have some sort of superiority complex. Swirry makes some valid points and I commend her for going against conformity and deciding to question what everyone else believes.

This lady is too deep. It pains me a lot of unawakened people will not understand her

You can't be a Christian if you're not hypocrite. Hard truth ❤️

Dr .Kingori hii conversation lazima iishe,so many young people are at crossroads on this matter,there's is much truth to what both parties are saying,we we're born African for a reason and we cannot be ignorant to that reality.

Smh 🤦🏿‍♂️, my people perish for lack of wisdom , pastor T God Bless you sir

Mr. T and Vivian, thank you very much for mind opening conversation, however, as WE ARE WAITING FOR PART 2, this generation rather than intelligence we believe we are intellectual and that's why we demand scientific facts, but African society indeed passed their knowledge through story telling and not in books as other society so lets also listen to our intuition as our Divine gift from our Creator.

Mr T himself has raised "youtube" arguments many times. I like how he says the agikuyu god is fictional but his god is quantifiable. When the girl raises her arguments, Mr T wants to quote "scientific evidence", but on his arguments all data is thrown out the window. He wants to use science to discredit other people's arguments but won't subject his own convictions to scientific scrutiny. You can't use the scientific threshold to quantify god because you'll only make one conclusion; he doesn't exist.

"There is insufficiency of data" - Then cuts off Swiry when she tries to tell her the sufficient data.

We need part 2 with facts on the table

I wish Nyar could calm down and articulate herself, she has points that she wants to put out, but they don't come out as clear and they are all over. One of the reason pastor T is " winning " is because he is calm and collected. I hope Nyar gets to grow on media and limelight and holding such debates and public speaking. At the end of the day God is good.

Am here to listen to Mr T.... I like the knowledge in him

The only way to test these two ideologies, is to wait for a disaster then we see which one applies. I believe if we listen to God who dwells in us as she says, and break down all limitations we have in our brain, we can experience God fully. I conquere with both but the lady has information that T doesnt want to acknowledge because he doesnt understand. In the end, we will be judged and we should not rely on papers alone as a source of information. Our bodies are God's temples. Isnt it written that God cannot dwell in temples made by man but only by Him. Our temples are his dwelling place so we should listen to Him.

True! "As long as it is working for you it's fine " ~swiri People should find the god in themselves

we need a part of this

I really Love these conversations. Part 2 Please.

I agree with Pastor T, Vivian is advocating for the New Age philosophy which is propelled by me-ism(self centeredness) minus God in the picture

Since I don't understand religion I rather be more spiritual 🔥🔥

This was 🔥🔥🔥🔥 very nice... there's definitely need for part 2!

For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. Romans8:7 This is exactly how Nyar Kano is behaving when speaking of Christianity

Mr. T consistently delivers wisdom. People nowadays can talk about anything and push for relevancy without a factual basis. I look forward to part two of this conversation.

i have tried listening to this lady and i have left vacant. i wish this conversation can be structured and guided. when we leave the guests to run amok we the audience tend to miss the train of thought.

The reasons that most African histories cannot be quantified is because we did not have the knowledge of writing and reading.

Thanks pastor T for your knowledge and how you stand on God's Word as the mirror. I like the way Swiry is articulating her issues, but this is new age philosophy

I am a strong believer of God and an African woman. I agree with the ladies arguments on Christianity and spirituality in African decent. First and foremost Christianity was mainly introduced in Africa as part of colonization system. It has no spiritual basis. During colonial error our fore fathers were taken to mission centers as 'slaves' to do cotton farming, carpentry and other activities that generated income for white in terms exports and sustained mission activities. Because Christianity was quite acceptable in africa as it had teachings and aspects of hospitality, kindness and other ideologies that were rooted in African culture, it became widely accepted. As a result it was used as a divide and rule tactic. Africans who accepted Christianity despited those that continued with traditional worship and felt like they were more holy. And as a result they collaborated with the whites to gain favours while the resisters suffered for liberalization. As a result, most people lost land and other valuable resources while idling in mission centers in the name of 'catectism'. Even after colonization, Christianity has continued to promote white supremacy since it encourages laziness 😀, wastage of resources and slavery. For instance there are churches where people meet almost everyday of the week either for choir practice, catecsim, youth meetings etc, all this time has been robbed from you so that you can be less productive as a society and be economically stable. Wee niambie, how will you be productive and be financially stable if you are in church everyday in the afternoon? Also most Christians spent alot of money on bishops, pastors, and building churches while in real sense they are languishing in poverty.

Today I Really Felt Wat Mr.Tee Was Talkin Bout👏

Creat time for such discussion I feel like we need more

I still need this conversation, waiting for it

Weldone mama. Let us remind ourselves that there is what is referred to as oral history. This knowledge is also important and cannot be overlooked. Oral tradition is an invaluable part of history. My parents for example, orally passed on to me their wealth of experience and knowledge . They taught me to do good, to love my neighbor, to respect authority, to be charitable, humble and to love God way before I became a Christian. They taught me the history and customs of my tribe, information which they obtained from their parents. Let’s not forget that oral tradition is an important component of history even in major denominations and faiths. We cannot afford to adopt an attitude of ‘IF ITS NOT WRITTEN, THEN ITS NOT HISTORY’

What is academic reference?. Who wrote those books? We have unlimited sources of information and that's what makes us powerful. Congrats swiry. You are bringing empowerment to Africans and you'll be fought fot it.keep going.

Yes, bring part two.

Lord please grant them your grace.. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

The lady has more information than Mr T

We need a part 2.Both have points..The only thing that remains constant in both their statements is there is a supreme power that governs man.

Please let's have part 2. Great conversation

Dr. King'ori We need part 2 or continuations of this topic.

By the Grace of GOD through all this teachings by Pastor Mr.T, Dr. King'ori ata get saved.

She just confused me 😅 but Pastor T came with sound simplicity that made much sense.

Good work Kingori , coming from ebru tv comics show to providing platform for such sensitive topics kudos

I agree, come with part two and hopefully someone more open minded than the guy

Going through the comments, most are quick to support Mr T and dismiss Swiry. The broken telephone theory is relevant however purely uncontextual since it was used to undermine the lady's argument. Findings have it that even though information passed through the broken telephone becomes distorted there's evidence that people are quite accurate in preserving all degrees of surprisingness in serial reproduction - even when the event that produced the surprisingness in the original story is dropped or changed. The findings are significant for the communication of information, and thereby also the stability and transformation of culture in general.

We need a full hour of the convo btwn mr T and Nyarkano

Can't wait for part two

Yeah i need to hear more about this

Dr.kingori was very wise to cut the interview , he realized that he had to tell the lady to argue with facts and objectively , when emotions arose the interview became unstable

From a son of a very learned Bishop in the matter, True Bible (KJV) ...I'm sorry to say the sister is right. The fellow is lost, unfortunately they're many.

I love her!!!! From North Carolina, USA

Please add subtitles 😩🙈. Love from South Africa ❤️

we need more of these conversations we need to wake up from colonial imposition

Part II is indeed needed King'ori, this is interesting

We need a continuation of this debate its really awakening

Thank you Apostle T

These are really deep issues that require references and legit historical evidence. Failure to which, emotions soon kick in and everyone begins to give what they "feel" rather than what is correct. I support such platforms but wish there were events dedicated specially for these open discussions and debate, where ample time is dedicated to allow looking into evidence and responses to claims. Time is really short here.

The calmness of Mr T, his talks, I always feel his wisdom. African renaissance is a common thing today.

Wonderful show

I pray for my lord God everyday,to give me the right way to follow,history won't help you to get to His kingdom,pray everyday