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Learning Turning Metal - by Andrew Whale
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So - After the successful build of my Stuart S50 Steam Engine, I decided to have a go at making a Stuart 10V Steam Engine!
This video is Part 2 of a series, which shows me making the crankshaft bearings on my Sieg SX2P mini mill and my Sieg SC3 mini lathe.
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Music: (intro) Water Lily by the 126ers - RU-vid Audio Library
WARNING: Metal turning can be dangerous! I am not sure whether the methods I use are established ones, and I do not recommend them.
Please do not copy me without doing your own risk assessments!
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@daveticehurst4191
@daveticehurst4191 5 лет назад
Andrew, as I said in a previous post, you need to what is called "back off the drill" this is so simple to do. Get an oilstone and give a few rubs on both the cutting edges, keeping the stone parallel to the axis of the drill, this will change the cutting angles and give it a bit of a negative rake. I feel sure you have had this type of problem with your woodturning tools, negative rake tools . You will also encounter this snatching action with Perspex and quite a lot of other plastics.
@lenroddis5933
@lenroddis5933 6 лет назад
Hello again Andrew.I love your "warts and all" approach, showing what went wrong as well as what went right. So instructive for us newbies.My lathe is MT0 taper both headstock and tailstock. With very little friction, I found the chuck rotating so often that I held onto it like grim death while drilling. I now open up the chuck until the jaws are inside and give the chuck a firm tap with a brass hammer to get it seated. This seems enough to prevent rotation.Milling the top of the bearing seating to width is what I would do, given a reliable mill. I did this with a flat file to get a straight cut across both seatings concurrently but with the file off vertical, tapering into the seating. Once the top was on size, I brought the file up to vertical then used the (looks familiar) 9.5mm round file for the rest.To avoid measuring errors with the bearings, I made the crankshaft first, but I'm using 7mm silver steel. The 3rd attempt was satisfactory, using the Loctite and 1/16" pins method. I found 12mm copper plumbing pipe round the curved part of the bearing gave an almost perfect centre in the 3 jaw chuck. Having faced the ends of the brass, I concluded that cutting the brass in half and drilling the two separately, gave a better chance of holes concentric with the casting. With the same setup as facing, I turned the inside bosses to length to centralise the crankshaft. My attempt to turn a 7mm taper mandrel ended up at exactly 7mm: "wringing" wasn't going to work. So I drilled and tapped M4 down the middle, just with a taper tap, and split the shaft lengthwise with a hacksaw. A short grub screw forces the shaft open, holding the brass well enough to turn without any obstruction.Having clamped the bearings into the soleplate, with the crankshaft in situ and running smoothly, I drilled and tapped one stud hole in each bearing, bolted the bearings down and removed the clamps. Drilling, tapping and bolting down the third stud hole didn't bind the crankshaft so I thought I was on to a winner.The 7BA HSS tap snapped in he 4th hole, so goodbye tap and casting!I've bought replacement tap and casting, and today's the big day for drilling and tapping.Looking forward to the next instalment.Regards, Len
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 6 лет назад
Hi Len - many thanks for the detailed feedback. Very informative and it will be a great help for me moving forward. I'm just starting on the crankshaft and will be following your Loctite and pins approach. I really like the idea of clamping the bearings with the crankshaft in place - I will try to follow that approach. A real shame about your snapped tap - especially when you have put so much work into the casting. I guess the good news is that at least you managed to get a replacement casting. I've not had to buy any replacements yet, but it is comforting to know that you can get them if you need them. Good luck with your new soleplate and keep in touch! Cheers Andrew
@lenroddis5933
@lenroddis5933 6 лет назад
Hi Andrew,A few days after the tap breakage I take the philosophical view that if all goes to plan, we never learn anything. But thank you, the new Soleplate machined like a dream and I got the bearings bolted down. A bit stiff, but I'll work on that at a later stage. I have a Swiss made 2mm watchmakers broach that I plan to use to open up the bearing stud holes. I'm currently building a dividing head using the original spindle and chuck that came with the lathe. Cowells changed the spindle thread some years ago from M14x1.5 to M14x1.0 so I had to upgrade in order to get a 4 jaw chuck and I'm glad I got one - it's so useful. Cowells don't make the simple index head I planned to buy any more, and I'd rather spend the price of their (beautiful) dividing head on a smallish mill. I'm using a 30 tooth worm wheel which will give me all the divisions I need. I had to open up the bore from 6mm to 1/2". My first attempt at drilling and boring bronze - it was interesting, and at £20+ a pop, I took my time and all is well.I also have difficulty using a centre punch which is why it took 3 attempts to make the crankshaft webs. The best solution for me is new eyes. Realistically, making a prick punch with a 30 degree tip made it much easier to see the point and line it up in the cross hairs. 6mm silver steel turned with the compound at 15 degrees, hardened and tempered. It only needs a light tap to leave a small but deep impression.Keep up the good work.Len
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 6 лет назад
Hi Len. Thanks for the update. I agree, the best way to learn if from your mistakes. I had never heard of Cowell's before but just checked out their website. Looks like they produce very high quality machines. You can't beat British engineering if you can afford it. All the best. Andrew
@tonycourtney2748
@tonycourtney2748 3 года назад
I enjoyed your video and took your idea and made a mandrill. And wot a finish it worked a treat. Thanks for that.
@martynduncumb1020
@martynduncumb1020 6 лет назад
Andrew, thanks again for another instructive video. I would go along with Robert Oswalt's comment about drilling brass and gun metal that the point of the drill should be modified to stop it catching. I can't give you details but it is written up somewhere on the Model Engineer website blog and in various text books. Very enlightening watching you tackle the various problems and devising the solutions. Martyn
@lenroddis5933
@lenroddis5933 6 лет назад
Clickspring covers this in his clock making videos and keeps modified drill bits exclusively for brass. Personally, I drill brass dry up to 5mm but cutting paste seems to alleviate grabbing above this.
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 6 лет назад
Thanks for the info Martyn. I will check out the ME website. All the best. Andrew
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 6 лет назад
Hi Len - many thanks for the suggestion. I really like the idea of cutting paste. Cheers Andrew
@jakesako
@jakesako Год назад
I nice clean hole is always a preference 👍
@eifionjones559
@eifionjones559 6 лет назад
so glad you are making another engine, love your friendly low key comentary
@keithscourse5691
@keithscourse5691 Год назад
Hi Andrew like your videos on the stuart v10 just wanted to add when creating the curve on the bottom plate for the brass bushes you could have also used a bull nose end mill that would of made life alot easier for you .
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal Год назад
Hi Keith Thanks for the tip. Cheers 🍻 Andrew
@robertoswalt319
@robertoswalt319 6 лет назад
I find it strange that the bearings have a flat surface to function as the bearing cap. Maybe in the long run it makes it so that there are fewer machining tasks. I have heard that to prevent a drill from catching and screwing itself in, you can flatten the point of the drill so it more resembles an end mill. Thanks for another great video
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 6 лет назад
Thanks for the tip Robert. Much appreciated. Regarding the bearing cap, I too find it strange. I would have though that a simpler solution would have been available - but I am definately no engineer! Cheers Andrew
@adaml52
@adaml52 5 лет назад
Hi Andrew, when milling the radius for bearing seats. clamp the part to an angle plate and use the boring head, saves filing the radius by hand. ATB Adam
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 5 лет назад
Hi Adam - I wish I had thought of that.I will definately try to remember to that next time. Cheers Andrew
@gvet47
@gvet47 2 года назад
Trying to learn before I decide to buy the castings. When you center drilled the bearing on the mill why not just drill and ream it there? Sounds like I would need a reamer to fit the shaft size as do not have now. What about a ball end mill to cut the casting rather than file the radius?
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 2 года назад
Hi Galen. By holding the bearing in the chuck in the lathe I think there is a lot more chance of getting the hole drilling dead centre throughout it's length. You will definitely need a reamer to fit the shaft size. By using a file I had a lot more control and was able to achieve a snug fit. Good luck. Andrew
@gvet47
@gvet47 2 года назад
@@learningturningmetal I thought if I clamped the bearing vertical in the vise with the flat on a flat jaw and the radius side in a v-block it would hold it vertical for drilling. Not a good idea? I did buy a 7/16 ball end mill to cut the casting seat. I know with only one eye I have trouble setting things up. Waiting on my casting to arrive in the US!
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 2 года назад
@@gvet47 I guess that method should work. I followed the method as outlined in the Stuart Models 'Building a vertical steam engine' which uses a lathe extensively. Good luck. Andrew
@richardfarabaugh7604
@richardfarabaugh7604 4 года назад
Look on the Clickspring channel there is a video on there about changing your drill bits to drill in brass. If you don’t do what he says apparently a drill bit without the modification tends to grab.
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 4 года назад
Thanks for the tip Richard. I think I might purchase a new set of drills and modify them specifically for brass - as Clickspring has done. Cheers Andrew
@TheMiniMachineShop
@TheMiniMachineShop 6 лет назад
There is a YT channel ClickSpring. A guy who does a lot of work with brass. Shows how to grind drill bits so they don't grab and how to make turning cutters for brass. Haven't done any of his mods but good food for thought. Just an FYI....
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 6 лет назад
Hi Dave - many thanks for the suggestion. Len has also suggested Clickspring - so I will check it out. Keep those videos coming! Cheers Andrew
@mender2624
@mender2624 4 года назад
Hi Andrew, My 10v is just up to this stage. Could you please help me with a few points? When you marked out the sole plate how did you mark the circular part of the bearing? I can only think of jenny callipers because there is no centre part to work from. What type of milling cutter was that and where did you find it? I’m not sure if HSS cutters will survive for too long on cast iron, so I’m thinking it might have been carbide. I thought of aligning the sole plate on the mill by using a round metal bar laid along the crankshaft axis and then aligning the bar at right angles to the bed. My initial thought with milling for the bearing was that a 7/16” ball-end cutter might be able to finish the milling process in one final pass but I went off the idea because I could only find that type of cutter in HSS and because a final pass with such a cutter would give less margin for any fine adjustment - always assuming it didn’t do any unintentional milling! I’ve already made the dial indicator holder you showed in part 3 of this series and it works really well. In a different thread I asked you about milling vices. I’ve bought the vice you recommended and I’ve ordered the steel to make your vice clamps. Keep up the good work with your excellent videos. Cheers, Chris
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 4 года назад
Hi Chris. I'm just a bit tied up today. I'll have a look at the video and my notes tomorrow, to see if they jog my memory. I'll get back to you then. Cheers Andrew
@mender2624
@mender2624 4 года назад
@@learningturningmetal That's OK Andrew, anything you can add will be appreciated. Chris
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 4 года назад
Hi Chris. I didn't do anything elaborate when marking out where the bearings go. I think I just held the bearing alongside the soleplate and marked around it using a scribe. Then it's just a matter of using a hand file and checking the fit very often. The 8mm cutter I used was nothing special, probably carbide. It's easy to destroy a cutter on cast iron if you don't get under the crust first pass. When drilling the holes for the bearings and soleplate in one go, it's best to hold them in place using a rod through both bearings. This will keep them aligned correctly, but you might have to shim under one of them on final assembly. My memory isn't great but I hope that helps. Good luck with the build. Cheers Andrew
@mender2624
@mender2624 4 года назад
@@learningturningmetal Hi Andrew, Thanks for taking the time to reply. It is some time since you did this series and sometimes I can't remember what I did last week! Now I know what you did i think I'll remove some of the straight areas with a milling cutter and take a fairly decent first cut to remove any hard areas, then I'll change to filling and trying. Looking at your video you only removed a little from the bearing extrusion where it was obviously out of line. For me this is the first job on the 10v that requires careful fitting of one part to another and I'm now more confident about how I'll approach it. Thanks again, Chris.
@johnhili8664
@johnhili8664 5 лет назад
you should have used a four jaw independent chuck to drill that bearing it would take ages with the three jaw chuck and shims!!
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 5 лет назад
Hi John, yeah I tend to agree. I'm not sure I had an independent 4 jaw at the time. All the best. Andrew
@pauls5745
@pauls5745 3 года назад
I think the bearing design was for convenience of production and not function or for ease of machining, or they would be captive bearings with caps to hold them down. Stuart overly simplified their 10V. with caps, the soleplate could be bored/drilled for a cylindrical bush, and be easier to accomplish than dealing with a weird shaped casting. I have a vintage 10V I bought at auction but if I make one myself I'll bore and ream a round bronze rod and mill a flat
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 3 года назад
Hi Paul - very interesting! Cheers Andrew
@KM6VV
@KM6VV 5 лет назад
I noticed you didn't line-bore the two crankshaft bearings?
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 5 лет назад
Hi. I don't know anything about line boring. Just googled it and it looks way out of my capability - needing specialised equipment. Or maybe I misunderstand? Cheers Andrew
@KM6VV
@KM6VV 5 лет назад
I interpret it to mean aligning the two bores of the bearings on the engine, then drilling and reaming the two bores in one setup. I believe that's what I did on one or more of my engines.
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 5 лет назад
Ah - I understand now. I think I took that approach with the S50. I'm not sure why I didn't with the 10V. Cheers Andrew
@MrZhefish
@MrZhefish 5 лет назад
i think those bearing stock are not extruded but castings too
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 5 лет назад
Hi. They are definitely brass and looked like extruded to me. However I am definitely no expert. Cheers Andrew
@MrZhefish
@MrZhefish 5 лет назад
@@learningturningmetal As i understand basic alloying bronze is used and not brass for bearings (tin, lead content). but to point of if it's extruded or not; if it where, it would pass trought a dye, thefore it would have a very smoth finish and high accurate dimensions, i think if you messure it, you'll find some differences, ever so slightly but never the less. lastly, i could see at one point, that you had to clean it up, it looked like a spoure or a riser. what ever the case may be. However, my inputs are not ment to be critisism :) i like your videos and i am no expert myself. I just invest a lot of my time lately in casting and finding suitable material to create engines
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 5 лет назад
Hi. All I know is that the parts list on the drawing states that they are brass. I just assumed they were extruded. Good luck with casting - I've always fancied having a go but can't justify the cost. Cheers Andrew
@tonyburndred9828
@tonyburndred9828 6 лет назад
Move over Abom79 we’ve a Yorkshire007 coming to take your spot.
@learningturningmetal
@learningturningmetal 6 лет назад
Ha ha - way out of my league but thanks for the compliment. Take care mate. Andrew
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