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MTB Shock Tech | Everything You Need To Know About Mountain Bike Rear Suspension 

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@wpf312
@wpf312 4 года назад
Is there an even more basic video on this. Maybe disassembling a shock and talking about how each part functions would help explain it all better. Animations are helpful as well.
@rushthezeppelin
@rushthezeppelin 4 года назад
This, the video was so Greek for me but I think I could understand it better with animations.
@JiJi-os6eh
@JiJi-os6eh 3 года назад
Check out skills with Phil suspension video
@niklask.7333
@niklask.7333 4 года назад
I love those videos where Henry is talking a little nerdy about tech stuff, like the real time fork service. Please continue making these videos!
@austrailalanmtb7557
@austrailalanmtb7557 4 года назад
So much research and engineering. Quite an art form.🦘
@austrailalanmtb7557
@austrailalanmtb7557 4 года назад
@@oldstockrobert3814 yes sir it does... it is a relevant impression.. I would like to see however the two concepts aligned to create moonrockshox.... now THAT would be impressive.. imagine the reverse engineering going into that! A shock that has the ability to absorb anti gravity. The research trips alone would be a project in itself.. what with the need for first creati g an atmosphere... I'd put up a hand for test pilot..
@beny6920
@beny6920 4 года назад
Why 🦘?
@austrailalanmtb7557
@austrailalanmtb7557 4 года назад
@@beny6920 are you asking a question? or are you illuding to a theory? I'm just asking as I am unsure.
@GallantLee
@GallantLee 4 года назад
I'd watch you talk for hours and hours about suspension!!!
@denniskulev7027
@denniskulev7027 4 года назад
Dude sameee
@jeffstream6900
@jeffstream6900 4 года назад
I'd pay good money for sleep-story style audio book about suspension narrated by Henry lol
@MrBillUp
@MrBillUp 4 года назад
Well that made absolutely no sense whatsoever 🤣😂 I am willing to learn everything you can teach, so if you do want to do longer videos breaking down each topic, I'm all ears. It fascinates me 😊
@bigboybiker
@bigboybiker 4 года назад
@Henry, one thing to note is that the addition of a negative spring helps overcome the preload in a positive air system. It is not to overcome stiction as you mentioned.
@ANTheWhizkid
@ANTheWhizkid 4 года назад
Ty for the video! I´m just getting back into the matter, just got myself a new bike and your tech videos are always a good opportunity to reflect my own antiquated knowledge (wtf im only 37) in order to fill up the gaps. I find it essential to exactly know how my own equipment is working. Commenting on your videos is like talking in a support group: Yeah my name is .... and I admit i love geeking out on mtb tech...
@ronan7812
@ronan7812 4 года назад
I'm in exactly the same boat mate at 38 I've just recently returned to the sport after about 10 years. Oh how things have changed. So much to catch up on. gmbn and gmbn tech are brilliant.
@ryanmarshall4741
@ryanmarshall4741 3 года назад
The "architecture" portion of this video, starting at 9:00, was the most helpful section. I suggest re-making the video by putting the architecture section first, then the rest of the vocabulary explanation I think would make more sense.
@mithunshenoy8565
@mithunshenoy8565 4 года назад
Did anyone notice the Jack Daniels bottle in the background?😂 With 'Jack' torn off
@jouda234
@jouda234 4 года назад
jack in focus, presenter and shocks out of focus
@LordRedDragon
@LordRedDragon 4 года назад
can u do a video on how to select and fit the rear in different frames, and compare different models on the frames. Do an actual demonstration
@spuddo123
@spuddo123 4 года назад
10:08 that was a violent 'trek'
@harveyneath2406
@harveyneath2406 3 года назад
Thats because their bikes are horrifying
@TeamCykelhold
@TeamCykelhold 4 года назад
One of your best videos. Sadly we don't get to go beyond the basics. Please make an advanced one as well, if you have hours and hours of material still! Good job. something I think a lot of people would watch is a good video of damper service on a rear shock with an ifp.
@yakbiker75
@yakbiker75 4 года назад
Vorsprung has a RU-vid channel with heaps of info.
@TeamCykelhold
@TeamCykelhold 4 года назад
@@yakbiker75 yep, but none of them explains in a good way how to service ifps. If I'm wrong please refer me to it, I'd love to watch.
@yakbiker75
@yakbiker75 4 года назад
@@TeamCykelhold ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Y2j44dZ_JaY.html for fox X2
@TeamCykelhold
@TeamCykelhold 4 года назад
@@yakbiker75 thanks!
@PickledShark
@PickledShark 3 года назад
Interesting point about coil shocks lacking stiffness inherently. I hadn’t considered that, thank you
@Tom.Handy1
@Tom.Handy1 4 года назад
Thanks for the vid.i was litrly debating wether I should get a cool shock or air and this vid helped a lot
@diegosa1530
@diegosa1530 4 года назад
Great video with very good technical explanations, figures and real cut-off views. Could you explain in a video the different rear suspension geometries and above all the difference between suspension systems mounting the rear shock vertically and horizontally/diagonally please? Keep on doing such a good job! Regards.
@darvinblack7599
@darvinblack7599 4 года назад
Thank you for your video, made everything super clear!
@laurynasjagelo5075
@laurynasjagelo5075 4 года назад
You can use 2 rubber bands on the shock: after full compression, the first band will indicate your max travel and the second band will show your sag.
@geemail369
@geemail369 4 года назад
Wouldn't *both* rubber bands have been pushed down to max travel then?!
@laurynasjagelo5075
@laurynasjagelo5075 4 года назад
@@geemail369 you move one back and repeat the the sag measurement
@georgeapplegate2091
@georgeapplegate2091 3 года назад
Great video, given a noob like me a bit more understanding what i need to do to fine tune my cane creek coil shock. Thanks.
@lukeonthestork
@lukeonthestork 2 года назад
Great video once again Henry :-)
@luisof353
@luisof353 4 года назад
Yes, a longer video about this subject please.
@willcotter9465
@willcotter9465 4 года назад
Telephone analogy for the shims is very good. Keep up the good work.
@Kot1026
@Kot1026 4 года назад
Best shock explaining video ever!
@patrickjaquemet9732
@patrickjaquemet9732 4 года назад
New to mountain biking, this was awesome, could you do this for like... everything bike related? 😅
@sohaibyounus
@sohaibyounus 4 года назад
Liked before watching, cause I know its gonna be good.
@xMrKnightleyx
@xMrKnightleyx 3 года назад
Excellent video Henry. You are missed on GMBN tech!
@Mp57navy
@Mp57navy 4 года назад
One thing with the negative air chamber. They can't produce more than a vacuum to counterbalance. So roughly 14.5 PSI.
@dylan-5287
@dylan-5287 Год назад
The negative chamber isn't under a vacuum, it's just opposing the positive chamber but they're both under positive pressure. You can customize the negative chamber in some forks and it's usually around 20-80psi. A vacuum would actually have the opposite effect and make it even more stiff, it would be like adding to the positive chamber.
@MartijnVisser25
@MartijnVisser25 4 года назад
Very clearly explained and nice content. I watched it even though I know how shocks work, still entertaining👍
@1eyeblind
@1eyeblind 3 года назад
Awesome video and very informative. Great job to the fellas @ GMBN 👍🏼
@CuzzyWuzzy
@CuzzyWuzzy 4 года назад
Thanks, really interesting to learn the ins and outs of shocks 😃
@bluestraycat
@bluestraycat 4 года назад
Really interesting stuff Henry! A complex topic. I love all the tech that goes into our bikes, it's an exciting time to be a mountain biker
@spuddo123
@spuddo123 4 года назад
13:07 VVC doesnt preload the shims, it changes the mechanical advantage of the shim when pressing on the leaf spring
@clarkie005
@clarkie005 4 года назад
Cato Hobsbawn oxymoron, you’ve explained the same thing in two different ways
@spuddo123
@spuddo123 2 года назад
@@clarkie005 late reply, but actually that's incorrect. Preload increases the amount of force it takes for the spring to start moving, whereas vvc effectively changes the springrate, meaning the force graph will be steeper. If you know linear equations, it's essentially the difference between the y intercept (preload) and the gradient (springrate). Vvc changes the springrate, not preload.
@josiahgolding7826
@josiahgolding7826 4 года назад
Hi! Thanks for the explainer!
@williamdanter721
@williamdanter721 4 года назад
Great video thanks Henry👍
@jeromewestwood5453
@jeromewestwood5453 4 года назад
It would be good if you went 1 step further and show how to step up out on the dirt and how to fix some bad handling problems
@endurorider974
@endurorider974 4 года назад
Very nice video guys!
@basicwrc
@basicwrc 4 года назад
Great info, big thanks
@paputmercado9020
@paputmercado9020 2 года назад
What happen if i use a 190mmx 50mm rear shock to my stumpy the size is 190x 42.5 mm the stock rearshock on my stumpjumper alloy.
@hench_wrench_repairs
@hench_wrench_repairs 4 года назад
What if i use a slightly larger eye to eye? My shock is 190x 51 and ive found a good deal on a 215 shock will it work?
@Hazeder422
@Hazeder422 4 года назад
It will be too long and will either not fit into your frame or it will put a lot of stress on the frame which could lead to failure
@chrislaing123
@chrislaing123 3 года назад
I'll listen to more
@zsanterre
@zsanterre 3 года назад
love how you had to take off the jack daniels label ;) I see what you did there
@th_js
@th_js 4 года назад
Great video Henry
@polzchannel9784
@polzchannel9784 4 года назад
Tjakepzzz... Sangatzzz... Very... Nice...
@b.morris2816
@b.morris2816 4 года назад
What does switching from Imperial to Metric have to do with bushing overlap and stiffness??
@rupedog
@rupedog 4 года назад
'shockingly' good, as always H. Thorough, yet clear and understandable, and v interesting. Aren't IFP nitrogen charged, rather than air?
@lamefart
@lamefart 4 года назад
Yeah, AIR. Can be Nitrogen or O2 vs what he said; coil. Check out 10:56 graphics showing Nitrogen...
@RyanAlexanderBloom
@RyanAlexanderBloom 4 года назад
Normal atmospheric air is 78% nitrogen and 20% oxygen. And the molecules of N2 are only 2.6% bigger than O2. So there’s not that much difference using N2 over air as only 1/5th of the air in air isn’t N2 and that 1/5th is only marginally different in terms of size and mass.
@onlyonecannoli3952
@onlyonecannoli3952 2 года назад
Retitle this "How to Over-Complicate Things and Talk Nonsense In the Most Ineffective Way"
@markjones4896
@markjones4896 4 года назад
This information is still confusing to me can you do a video that is more simplistic please thank you this is way over my head
@burgerzz09s51
@burgerzz09s51 3 года назад
I am having a lot of problems with my older coil shock.
@kashubelua
@kashubelua 8 месяцев назад
9:52 ?? confusion in explanation there. May i try, it's not the piston that push oil in the expansion chamber, this displacement is the result from the volume of the rod that enter in the piston sleeve chamber. english not my langage so please appologize. thx
@G-MAN73
@G-MAN73 3 года назад
I run an ohlins rear shock but it keeps bottom out and loosing air. My question is what are the ideal personal weights for rear shock, would a larger rider like me 110kg benefit from a coil or spacers in my rear shock cheers
@MKHLX
@MKHLX 3 года назад
Will it damage the rear shock if you invert its position? TIA
@badlarry172
@badlarry172 4 года назад
thanks great upload
@linuswallman3941
@linuswallman3941 3 года назад
I have a question about my specialized enduro comp 2020. I'm looking at swapping my rear shock from the select + to an ultimate but I can't find a shock that has the stanchion eyelid the right way. So can you just release the pressure and turn it?
@krzysiu4003
@krzysiu4003 4 года назад
I would definitely watch for hours and hours.
@Danil-Crypto
@Danil-Crypto 4 года назад
very nice)
@Basement_CNC
@Basement_CNC 4 года назад
#askgmbn whats the differece between the SRAM Butter, the dynamic Seal Grease and the PM600 and what should i use for my Revelation RC (2019)and Monarch Deluxe ? Or is the sus Grease from "Dynamic " Just fine ?
@specterul
@specterul 2 года назад
Shocking!
@michealbrennan8463
@michealbrennan8463 4 года назад
#askgmbntech. I have a 2018 nukeproof mega 290 comp and it has a rockshox super deluxe rear shock. For the last month my shock has been losing air as my ride goes on. I am forced to bring a shock pump with me and pump it up at least twice in a ride. I have replaced all the internal seals and it is still losing air. Do u know what is wrong
@liamfillinger3006
@liamfillinger3006 4 года назад
#askgmbntech I was wondering what you guys think of drilling holes in your frame for bottle cage mounts. I have a 2012 transition blindside and want to put bottle cage mounts on the downtube using rivnuts. Thanks, Liam
@benasquith26
@benasquith26 4 года назад
I can speak for them, they will say it’s a terrible idea, it can weaken your frame quite a lot. It will also void your warranty, I don’t think your bike being from 2012 will have it though. There are people who have done it but it’s advised not be done but you could try it if you want but doddy has said many times not to drill holes in your frame.
@kunalwarat8114
@kunalwarat8114 4 года назад
#askgmbntech i recently crashed my bike and there was a real bad scratch on my brake lever, what should i do to prevent further damage?
@brevinharris7002
@brevinharris7002 4 года назад
Some of this stuff shocked me
@HAFIZzainalHZ
@HAFIZzainalHZ 4 года назад
I don't understand most of the videos because on a my first bike, ht. 😂 But watch it anyway. Maybe In a few years, if upgrade to expensive front fork or fullsus this would be useful. Good videos though.
@hobmarg
@hobmarg 4 года назад
Bikes that the frame design puts crazy side load on the shock body/shaft: * Pivot Phoenix 27.5 has entered the chat * (will snap coil DH shocks)
@mmedia5727
@mmedia5727 3 года назад
How to fix suck / stuck down air rear shock? :(
@hench_wrench_repairs
@hench_wrench_repairs 4 года назад
What happens if you use the right eye to eye but a longer stroke length?
@Pienimusta
@Pienimusta 4 года назад
In good situation, you get more travel and no problems. Will affect your geometry though and might have issues with chain length and tension.
@TeamCykelhold
@TeamCykelhold 4 года назад
You get more travel on the rear and your wheel/hardware will possebly hit and damage your frame. Contrary to what the other guy says (false) it won't actually affect geo (because same eye to eye) except when using more travel than previously possible.
@Pienimusta
@Pienimusta 4 года назад
@@TeamCykelhold It will effect geo when at full travel.
@hench_wrench_repairs
@hench_wrench_repairs 4 года назад
Thanks!
@TeamCykelhold
@TeamCykelhold 4 года назад
@@Pienimusta only by allowing more travel, which is the whole point, and as I write only at more travel than previously allowed. So as a whole I would say that geo is not affected as long as eye to eye remains the same. Different eye to eye however would on fact change geo.
@cmugy
@cmugy 4 года назад
Hello
@donchristie420
@donchristie420 4 года назад
Hi
@andreaslundindotcom
@andreaslundindotcom 4 года назад
In regards to shocks. Why is it normally recommended to run slightly more sag on a progressive frame than a linear one? Why not the opposite as 30% sag at the shock is far more on the wheel travel. Why don’t set the bikes up with a percentage of wheel travel rather than stroke length? #askgmbn @gmbntech
@gmbntech
@gmbntech 4 года назад
What rear shock do you use and how do you like to have your suspension set up? Let us know 👇
@fwmtb
@fwmtb 4 года назад
Rockshox micro brain
@ItsATrap614
@ItsATrap614 4 года назад
Yo guys, question here: Yesterday I found out the set screw that keeps the rebound knob on my new fork (RS Pike) went missing. Probably wasn't tightened properly at the factory. Miraculously I didn't lose the rebound knob itself, so I pulled it off to make sure I don't lose it. Will I risk damaging my new fork if I ride without this knob in place? (until I get it fixed ofcourse) The hole where it plugs into is kind of exposed at the bottom.
@MaplePanda04
@MaplePanda04 4 года назад
Find a similar screw. It doesn’t have to be a set screw, any screw with the same threading should work. It just won’t look as clean
@maxwellsequations
@maxwellsequations 4 года назад
I would watch
@Pienimusta
@Pienimusta 4 года назад
This info was truly *shocking*
@isaacjackson15
@isaacjackson15 4 года назад
Hi
@joshmcwalters
@joshmcwalters 3 месяца назад
That was more complicated than my A-level physics exam
@lopon12
@lopon12 4 года назад
If anything this has made me more confused 😕
@jimicope4988
@jimicope4988 4 года назад
you could edit this into a pretty interesting 18+ video lol
@Tastaturmusik
@Tastaturmusik 4 года назад
Shock bearing mounts is the most potent snake oil i've seen in a while
@3ArtDigital
@3ArtDigital 4 года назад
What is Nude technology ? what is trunion ?
@SurvivalSquirrel
@SurvivalSquirrel 6 месяцев назад
Still i dont know exactly what the IFP is for.
@Ropetable
@Ropetable 4 года назад
holy fuck, ill stick with a hardtail lol
@ulbricht1999
@ulbricht1999 4 года назад
this video is shocking! o.o
@richardhead7755
@richardhead7755 4 года назад
The 2 plants in the green pots need a drop of water and some feed
@austinnoll2869
@austinnoll2869 3 года назад
This guy should read audio books on RU-vid
@lockstocky2800
@lockstocky2800 3 года назад
Interesting stuff but I was asleep a few minutes in with the mono tone
@user-to2se7hs3r
@user-to2se7hs3r Год назад
Handyman
@mrexon
@mrexon 4 года назад
This was shocking
@declanmolloy764
@declanmolloy764 4 года назад
Right then ,it’s a hard tail for me 😩
@90Davidea
@90Davidea 11 месяцев назад
No issues with assembly for me ru-vid.comUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L but I could see where some might benefit from using an experienced bike assembler/mechanic. I'm an older rider starting back after a 10 year break. This bike exceeds my capabilities and has been easy to get comfortable riding. I'm mostly on easy trails with almost no street riding and have not been disappointed with the performance of the bike. My fitness level is far below what I previously rode with and because of that the mileage is going on the bike slowly. While I'm losing weight slowly, the bike seems to tolerate my 220 pounds just fine. The bike has been used by several family members ranging from 5'5" - 5'9".
@INTEL965GAMES
@INTEL965GAMES 4 года назад
1 day i will have an double suspension bike................An GT Sensor or Specialized Chamber old for $1K,800-900$.......................................One day
@grant8225
@grant8225 4 года назад
You lost me at stroke length of the shaft.. got no idea what you're talking about.
@garyherndon4722
@garyherndon4722 4 года назад
Background music very distracting. But your producers must think it's really cool. I don't.
@dandemore8057
@dandemore8057 4 года назад
Didn't need the vid. It's just so simple they go squish squish duhhh.
@jacobra0215
@jacobra0215 4 года назад
If gmbn tech doesn't heart this comment then Gmbn tech didn't heart this
@bitumen83
@bitumen83 4 года назад
Jesus, this is more complicated than chess.
@kategraham5167
@kategraham5167 4 года назад
This is too much and too fast. Very confusing imo. 'Bushing overlap'?
@MaplePanda04
@MaplePanda04 4 года назад
Most sliding systems use two bushings: one at the top, and one at the bottom. Bushing overlap is the distance between these two bushings. More distance (and overlap) equals a stronger and stiffer system.
@fazza2104
@fazza2104 4 года назад
Yeet
@cristobalmunoz9222
@cristobalmunoz9222 4 года назад
Like the new #GMBNTech guy Henry in the learning of thes suspension of chocks floats thes diferents series in the #GMBN depending of thes taips of hubliys #Moutainbiking bike's thes tapers and pistons coils oils yuors positions in the geometry 🗣️yyaasickejnoy. Saluds of chile 🇨🇱🤘😀🤘🚵🚴.
@tonyparkin3379
@tonyparkin3379 4 года назад
Eventually someone will invent simple suspension that don't cost £1000.
@webbiergoose2032
@webbiergoose2032 11 месяцев назад
What a shocking video
@LeoSchmeltzer
@LeoSchmeltzer 12 дней назад
Really, straight from describing spring compression rate right into negative air chambers? THEN into compression? Not even gonna introduce the overall anatomy first? Practical demonstration and illustration would be immensely helpful in addition to the lecture would be helpful as well. 👎
@danielmerrin9699
@danielmerrin9699 4 месяца назад
Tristan Tate
@patrycja1813
@patrycja1813 9 месяцев назад
unfortunately you manually focused on the background rather than your face. really hard to watch
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