The wildfire deck that was in standard was piloted by Kai Budde. The deck was an absolute monster. There were many ways to pull off wildfire in that deck not to mention many different win cons. I had the tournament deck version of it and none of my friends wanted to play against it.
I had random magic cards but near the end of my time in middle school I was mostly into my cool gold border deck. I picked it at random...mostly because it said he won first lol. But as a 12 year old it's suffice to say I just didn't understand the deck and went on most my life never learning it. I returned to magic this year at 34 years old and started really learning. Once I got a few personal decks together I tried my wildfire deck in the mix. I was stunned when I found out how unfun that deck can be for the opponent. Even in current power levels...if it gets the right things out its just about game over. My first thought was I must be misinterpreting these cards. This would mean my opponent can't even play any magic? Oh...well I see why he won first I suppose.
@@jumpsteady1777 I really like the mishra's Helix in the sideboard. The deck generated so much mana that it was easy to just tap all of your opponents lands during their upkeep.
@@staggerlee2774 I play a serpents control deck my gf absolutely hates. Slinn Voda makes me have no maximum hand and another creature makes it impossible for non Kraken, serpent, octopi, fish, and hydra from being able to do anything.
Mass land destruction always reminds me of showing up at the LGS back in the day and casting Anarchy on the Wu control player who annoyed everyone with his circle of protection based control deck. When I said bury all plains and he literally had to ask to see the card read it and scooped 😎
I thought all magic players had thousands of cards just sitting around lol. I have like 7 made decks my gf has 3 and the rest of our cards are up but we probably have like 3000 at least.
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago I was quite young when I started and getting cards often meant selling or trading away what you have. I stopped buying because I finally got priced out in the last few years. Just kept some cards for the nostalgia.
@@mikotagayuna8494 That's unfortunate Bub. If I knew who you were I'd gladly give you a deck! But I understand. I'm about to be downsized to no home so I have to rid myself of some collectibles as well. It is through my own choice, I'm trying to start a precious metal refining set up and hopefully springboard my life and career like that. But I need to eliminate as much costs as possible so a solar generator and a tent by the river with my materials and clothing is all I really need until I can afford my own place again. We currently live with her parents, they don't like that I have a tendency to lose jobs but they forget that I pay them extra constantly when I do have a job to get ahead. P.S. sorry for the long explanation. But I understand. Hope You're Able To Grow Again Soon, In Any Way Not Just Magic. Have A Wonderful Weekend Bub.
It's nice to use the indestructible artifact lands alongside the land _destruction_ cards :D it makes you a bit slow, but makes the resources to persists
I prefer slow drawn out games. If we're not going 2 or more hours I feel unsatisfied. I would never go to a tournament where EVERYONES goal is to make it impossible for me to play as much as possible. No fun that way. Can you even call yourself a better duelist when you didn't even give your opponent a chance to showcase their abilities? No that's just a massacre and those are never looked upon favorably.
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago I totally feel you. I'm more of a combo player and feel a bit devoided by watching players that go on for full minutes doing stuff alone and winning in 2-3 turns or "taxing"/suffocating you in any way. Where's the intelligence? In choosing which card put in the deck and the amount of money they are willing to pay? I felt sorry when I brought my mono-red deck to my old group of friends (where every card was less than 1€ with feeew exceptions): I love the "tap" stuff and my whole deck was based on "pingers" creatures, which were leading to blocking the friends to play. They heated it, and I too. After a few matches, I un-mounted that deck. I understand why land destruction is hated, especially in commander. Otherwise, I do love building up a board state (Elves, Angels, Goblins, Soldiers, defenders, charge-counter-based, Wizards, big-weird-stompy stuff, etc) and using that state to win, while allowing the opponent to play normally.
@@marcoottina654 That was my first adult experience with magic. Me and my gf were playing our manager at pizza hut at the time and he played Tron. Had some artifact that made it impossible to play non artifacts so every turn me and her just sat there and said go. He literally made us mill our entire decks before he let us play so we technically lost by card draw. I want a big brolic battle where we're throwing everything we have at each other to see who comes out on top. I currently run Izzet but I'm gathering cards to switch to a green, black, and blue, deck with Vraska the regal gorgon. I have God eternal Rhonas for the deck and Grunn The Lonely King picked out as my major win condition. Get grunn down first then build up his mass with Vraskas +1 counters. Slap Rhonas down when he reaches some ungodly number, double number and attack. I also have an every color hydras deck my gf never let's me use because of Progenitus. So I understand demoralizing your opponent until they don't want to play. Heck my main group of friends doesn't like playing me anymore because I'm too good and I let them use my decks.
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago I don't get if you are ironic in the last part (about your group). Anyway demoralization is one of the worst thing that can happen in a *game*, where you are supposed to have *fun*. I felt how they were "fading to gray" when my army of red wizards was burning their boards. That's why I've never mounted the gruul "destroy literally everything" deck even if I had already bought the cards. I can accept that a part of the strategy could involve some "erosion" (removal, stealing, milling, counter, bouncing), but it just should be either a slight part of it (Deceiver of Will, a wizard that mind-control) or the finisher (Orzhov Angel deck where it builds up a flock of tokens/Angels and kills everything with FIrja's Retribution; or the elf/defender infinite mana combos). But by making it the core of the deck it kills more than creatures: the joy of playing.
@@marcoottina654 Not in the slightest. We used to all play around the table at lunch in high school. I move away for a few years and got more into the game than they knew me to ever be, cuz I didn't have any cards back then, picked up some new skills out in Arizona around the time commander came out. Moved back a couple years later and we've duels a few times but now when I ask they don't want to play, they just want to go get food and hangout or play video games. I totally agree but acknowledge it's a legitimate tactic. I take their victory away by conceding when I know what they're up to. For some reason they don't like it when you just give up, they want to actually like "Beat" you so rob them their victory and you win instead lol
I remember a game of commander where a Sliver player nuked all the lands with Armageddon but I had enough mana rocks left to immediately cast Splendid Reclamation in my next turn. It felt great to be the only person on the table who is able to play the game!
Even though it's mass land destruction that's looked down on in EDH, I still feel slightly guilty even putting single-targeted land destruction in a deck. That being said, my main Explorer deck is a BO1 Red-Green Ponza deck with a splash of black for Tear Asunder's kicker cost. It's been pretty competitive and I enjoy looking across and seeing my opponent with an empty board or, at least, no lands.
Ah yes... I join you in the ranks of "that guy"... because resource denial was my favorite types of decks when I was still active: Hand Destruction cards, Mana disruption (my absolute favorite: Thermokarst, Ice Quake, Stone Rain, Pillage >:) I didn't have Ice Storm or Sinkhole), Control Mill(stone) etc. Land denial was the favorite of mine: the idea that a 2/2 or a 3/3 creature becomes an absolute threat because my opponent has no way of answering it despite having a full hand of outs makes my sadistic side smile >:) And Wildfire was one of my favorites: having cards like Covetous Dragon + Mana Rocks + other 5 toughness creatures made me smile >:) I remember splashing a few green and black creatures bec some of my Mana Rocks could add multiple mana (i.e the one in Invasion that costs 3 and adds 3 specific colors usually allied with a central color... i.e the Red central adds Black, Green and Red)... and if it wasnt enough, 2 copies of Crater Hellion that I can play as early as turn 3 - 4 makes a "board" a fleeting concept for my opponent XD I also attempted to use Jokulhaups and Obliterate on a Replenish deck XD basically, filling my grave with Enchantments, having 10 - 12 mana sources, play Jokulhaups / Obliterate, play Replenish, and win bec I have Fervor (R2, EN, all creatures have Haste) in my grave. Tried using Anger... but I forgot i'd be losing ALL my lands so... had to settle. It had mixed results, I have to admit
I always feel tempted to play land destruction in edh, with warlord radha you can easily make this spells asymetrical and stomp the opponents, this video increased the temptation, i will probably get some of these cards just for the joy of having them, great video as always
I prefer to play decks that accrue great value over the course of the game, and so I do not play land destruction very often. However, I have on occasion done so. It’s something you have to know when to use: after all, the more salty folks are going to be about it, the funnier it is! Great video, Nizza, as always.
I feel Liliana, Dreadhorde General was eligible for the list, especially if wildfire was. She regularly removes more than 4 lands, doing so in the same way Wildfire does by sacrificing them, and it would have been a good card to showcase the absurdity of the mechanic these days.
I think the diference is on the practice. Liliana you always need to reach her ultimate for her to destroy lands or jump some hops to do so. Wildfire always sac four lands upon resolution
A lot of things feel great in magic, but very few plays beat the feeling of casting a wake of destruction and naming "Island". The look on the faces when there is no counter magic up is just so gratifying.
My first "competitive" deck was an Enchantress / Wildfire deck where you'd stack your Fertile Ground / Wild Growth on a land, cast some beefy creatures then cast Wildfire so that you'd still have your creatures and a land that produced a ton of mana while generally your opponent's board would be empty... Not a very good deck to keep your friends though ^^
Jokulhaups is one of my fav cards too!!! One of my fav decks ever ran like 4 Mana Vault, 4 Tinder Wall, 4 Jokulhaups and like Shivan Dragon and Orggs. Try to get to 11-12 mana fast, float everything to play Jokulhaups and a big threat. I havent thought about the Jokulhaups/Obliterate thing in years but I totally remember that and also being REALLY bummed lame Obliterate won. I SOOO support Jokulhaups reprint in modern!! I love almost ALL these cards and totally am the (insert mean word) that loves running all of them in commander!
I just have to say I really love your videos. I have been watching your videos for about a year now still working my way through all your playlists they are really well made and I love that you go through all of magics history. Just really glad I discovered your channel going to be watching you Halloween related playlists soon and looking forward to what you have coming this October.
I had a mono blue tron deck that ran wondering titan. In one tournament ,in the first round, I went up against a 5color control deck that ramped to 9 lands bit he made a mistake and tapped out on his turn to win a counter war. I just slid my titan into the field and blew up 5 lands of his, then bounced it to blow up the other 4. Poor guy packed up and went home
I used to play a deck with jesters cap. I'd rip 3 lands out of the deck, wash rinse repeat a few times an suddenly your opponent wasn't drawing any more lands. How many games are lost to the " if I only had 1 more land" LoL
Acutally there is one card missing that isnt even a land destruction card: Living plane. Massive land destruction decks around this card back in the days.
Everyone loves Armageddon...but Cataclysm is one of my favorite cards of all time. Land+Mox Diamond...Land+creature with shadow...land+Propaganda...Cataclsym...and off to the races.
PLEASE make an update of land destruction cards! Im trying really hard to make an EDH land destruction deck, I would greatly appreciate it if you would!
Blow'em up bro. That's the million dollar handle to be called every time you walk in to play. Ah man, you see who that is, it's Blow'em up bro and his land destruction decks.
Balance is the most busted card ever, and it hurts my soul whenever I see a Vintage Cube player disrespect/pass on it. Yes, sometimes it's just okay, but when it's good it's PHENOMENAL.
I absolutely love mass land destruction. One of my more preferred EDH decks is an Avacyn deck running cards like Armageddon in order to keep my lands alive, but my opponents' dead. Of course though, the true winner does have to go to Balance, which sadly isn't legal in EDH, but maybe could make it onto "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)", although that might not be super likely.
one more thing you will never get 3 lands with my land destruction deck, i played with my friends and never one time have i seen defeat, undeated and retire , the only counter to the deck was focusing on putting lands in your deck, you would have to put 40 basic lands and 20 playing cards like sorc, instant, creature, artifact, enchantment. so in the in you would have a gimp deck only design to beat my deck and would absolutley beat no other deck in the world except my deck. lol
@@TheEvolver311 the one from war of the sparks let you choose one land and then sacrifice all others. I belive that should count. Also the strategy agains 3 colors decks is to have theme choose between 2 colors on top of all other permanents. (For example if you have 7 lands, your esper and you have 3 sources of black mana, pile the black mana on one side and the other 4 lands on the other side)
@@VeGiTo3Po2 it's always dependent on the board and your hand, I think the reason it isn't really is that it isn't specified and isn't always the preference The war of the spark lilliana also wasn't nearly as often ultimated, LotV makes some sense because she is probably one of the most frequently ultimated walkers
Did you just bring up Sundering Titan without mentioning Tinker? And you skipped Ravages of War? And Upheval? And Sunder? You really want me to believe that a Psychotog deck has never made the top eight? And, this is just the obvious stuff, Words of Wind arguably counts as well.
1) Mentioning Tinker would have been optimal I suppose, but it isn't like all of its points have come alongside Tinker. 2) Ravages of War has 7 points. 3) Upheaval and Sunder don't technically destroy lands, you're going to want to check out the mass bounce video, though. 4) Words of Wind doesn't destroy lands either.
@@NizzahonMagic 1) I suppose I still have the 5-Color mindset, so Tinker Titan turn three targeting your three duals five times for a one-sided wipe was the move. 2) I'm willing to bet that those decklists also had Armageddon, they just ran Ravages to get around Cabal Therapy, Meddling Mage, and things like that, so... I probably would have just combined them. 3) Yeah, I suppose that's fair, I guess I wouldn't compare Parallax Tide (plus a bounce spell) to Wildfire, even if blue ponza is best ponza. 4) Words of Wind is also mass bounce, at least in Enchantress, you just replay Wild Growth or Utopia Sprawl... a lot.
mass land destruction deck are for noobs, single land destruction deck is for super pros, think about it , you let them get 3 or more lands, as a land destruction deck you should be ashame, and be face slapped a few times. why in the world would you let them get 3 lands or more to even do a jokuhaups or wildfire. thats just insane in my land destruction deck. here is the key to my land destruction from other land desctruction is my deck has one mana destroy land, two mana destroy land, three mana destroy land, four mana destroy land, and lets not forget those lands thats destroys non basic lands like strip mine and wastelands, they are in there , and rest of the few cards are lighting bolts and fireballs, about 4 creatures , the 4 creatures also destroy lands when cast, anarchists i believe is the creature. i will tell you a few cards i put in there that are basics is stone rain and pillage, which is a three mana land destruction. but i bet you cant guess the one and two mana destroy lands muahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah cough cough muhahhahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahhahahahah
