You know, I wonder if any of these bombs will have any impact on Vintage. Granted, Limited and Vintage are excruciatingly different. But oh well. Speaking of, you already know what's coming. Do "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)".
Usually the only new cards that get played in Vintage are inexpensive cards that hate on a card type or playstyle very efficiently (especially artifacts). Most of these bombs are too honest for Vintage. XD
@@johngleeman8347 Mystic Repeal has real sideboard possibilities if enchantment-based decks ever become prevalent-- bottoming an enchantment for one mana is big, and prevents graveyard-based shenanigans. But is there any place for it in the metagame? Elspeth could also theoretically see action since she's a big planeswalker threat that can recur indefinitely, but I'm not holding my breath as a lot of decks already use the graveyard as a resource for Delve cards.
None of the ones listed here will. Way too high cost and way too limited impact compared to current vintage staples. To give you an example of what it takes to break into vintage, just look at Narset. She is (or was rather) a major vintage bomb because she shut off every draw spell in the game
Getting only a 7/7 Polukranos for free is the fail state in case you dont have the mana and graveyard to get a 12/12. As far as fail states go, that's hard to beat.
Andrew Howard I can’t wait for the Titans in standard, them plus polyK and fling just screams, FLING ME DADDY, LETS GO STRAIGHT FOR THE FACE! MY SACRIFICE IS ON THE SACK FLING ME!
I cracked Polukranos and Nyxbloom ancient in my prerelease and I was able to untap with the Ancient with Polukranos in the grave yard. Both times was able to escape him fight all his creatures and then escape him again. It was amazing.
The Hound yeah that’s a dirty combo, I cracked the rare chromatic lantern mana dork and nyxbloom. On top of that I was playing gruul with nyx lotus and the red card where you pay 2 to give it +1/0 till end of turn. Get the combo off with wings of hubris to make it unblockable and you win the game from pumping it 47 times!
I'm just now doing my first draft for the set on mtga. Pack 1 pick 1 is a Dream Trawler. I almost picked the 5 man black kill spell. Thought I'd watch a video first. Glad I did.
he read it correctly on his limited set review for black and i thought it said black hearted on first glance, now the opposite has happened XD, e is a very similar letter to c so if ur just glancing over the card it can definitely get mixed up
@@TransparentEclipse Yeah, I completely missed it the first time as well! Blame Wizards, they're the ones who chose the names 😉 (Wait... you're telling me that the name sounds nothing like 'black' in other languages? WIZAAAAARDS *shakes fist*)
Thassa is amazing in Limited, better than both Nylea and Erebos in my opinion. Not only more power for combat but blinking an enchantment creatures or ETB creatures is insane. Enchantment creatures are great with all the constellation triggers running around, mostly being in green and white. Especially in a green deck if you can get your hands on a Eutropia.
i played at my local store's pre-release 2 times on Friday, first box had a full art ashiok, and my second box had a full art foil ashiok!!! everyone was so shocked
This might be a dumb question, but with dream Trawler, lets say I attack with him and my opponent casts some sort of instant removal spell on him, can I still discard the card to give him hexproof despite him being already tapped?
"If you have Polukranos, you don't really want him to get exiled" He'd still be a 7/7 then for essentially free because he enters the battlefield with 6 +1/+1 counters. So I don't see the issue?
@@bugkramps I thought about Polukranos, Unchained. Not about Polukranos, World Eater. Not sure what you mean about the token though. Is the issue that he can't escape anymore? Well, it all depends on the board situation. Sometimes you might just want that big creature immediately, sometimes you have enough creatures in the graveyard to let him escape.
Since March will make 4 years since you have done it, and there was a lot in War of the Spark and Gray Merchant is now coming back, can we get a new top 10 zombies?
@@NizzahonMagic well dang. Appreciate the response though, love your videos, i have learned a lot from them. So many cards i have overlooked, that you have brought to my attention
this set is so unfair for prerelease. no mather how good of a deck you build doesnt mather if you dont and you opponent does have one of those bombs. dont like sets when gap between good cards and those bombs is that big. like core set 20. two of the games i was winning by a mile then opponent played that 7/7 angel and i could not do anything. second game opponent played that 7/7 dragon i could not kill it and next turn it attacked and i was dead.
Yeah, but you're not getting Polukranos back with Escape. I suppose if you can get the W by exiling it to make the token right away, then fair enough. gotta love the flexibility of Nightmare Shepherd, would have even put it higher on the list if you're able to make a deck that abuses its ability
@@Jasakay Oh yeah there would definitely be downside, but unless you could escape with him immediately it might be better to take the token, most opponents simply aren't going to be able to deal with it twice in a row
Dream Trawler is amazing, but the blue saga is the biggest bomb in this format. The 8/8 hexproof can only be dealt with by the rare wrath or by turboing the bad edict... meanwhile no creature cam best it in combat, while it will have 2 free turns to attack. Erebos isnt that bomb-y tbh, only the rakdos deck can use him properly in this set. Uro is better than kroxa by a wide margin also.
In my prerelease i had Kiora bests the sea god TWICE! And i had the flicker spell to flicker it while the 3rd ability was on the stack :D Beat the player with a very aggressive Gruul aggro deck. He told me later the only game he lost was against me :D
Yeah, he was a big deal, while the almost strictly better Erebos's Titan, is considered worthless paper. 5/5 for 4 in mono-black means a lot less without Dark Ritual to sneak it out turn 2 I find!
@@myldias8373 not with the cat it self. More like if you need one more food producer or one more damage and they kill the guy you get him anyways and win.
@@NizzahonMagic kiora is better than dream trawler dude. Theres loop holes. A lot of loop holes. *cough* pump *cough* double/triple blocking * cough * running out of cards in hand * couch*. Not saying trawler is bad, kiora is just better
@@zulfyby true, except for the fact that uro is 10x better than kroxa, has an immediate impact on the board, and is relevant at any part in the game. The only time that kroxa is relevent is when your oppo is low, and he finishes your oppo off, or when he's at a 6/6. Uro is relevent because, he gains you life, he draws you cards, he ramps, and he does all of this when he is a 6/6 like kroxa. The only time where uro isnt relevent is when you are so much ahead of your oppo it doesn't matter what he/she plays
Yeah, I gave it a bomb grade in my set review, but kept it off this list. I probably shouldn't have, but it is worth noting that draft will likely be faster, and Kiora Bests the Sea Gods may not be quite as good there. Still should be here, though.
I mentioned Dream Trawler was a pushed limited bomb on MythicSpoiler. Someone scoffed, and in classic-MTG community narcassim, asked me to point to the pushed text on the card. Lol.
you are correct it is the best limited card in the set. A 7 mana 8/8 hexproof which basically can't be killed by anything and is too big. You get TWO free attacks with it tapping ur ops stuff down slowing their speed AND stealing their bomb. It's better than any card on this list period.
@@xed8530 if by 7 mana you don't have a way to get rid of that or prevent it from entering, then you might as well just lose. in any case just blocking it with small creatures is enough, sure the second part of the saga gets you past that, but thats it, and by the third the other player just doesnt need to play anything relevant and thats it. mind you i consider the card great to, but is a win more card for me than anything
@@ignacio1759 7 mana is high, but a big Hexproof beater that they probably can't block? In a color that is very good at delaying the game usually? And if I haven't won yet I get their best card usually? and I untap it? To me, this is win condition, not win-more.
Its the second best after the sphinx. That card went 6-0 and 4-0 in two of my local prereleases. It doesnt even need that good of a deck to go into. The saga is easier to remove and thats why its number 2.
I love how you just skip over the best limited card in the set. Kiora Bests the Sea God. Don't say it's "too much mana" because both the titans and dream trawler come out late as well. An 8/8 hexproof is HUGE and can't be dealt with. Taps down your opponent's creatures allowing a mass swing in tempo and then stealing their best thing? WTF? I can see an argument for it not being #1 but it CERTAINLY be on this list. Anyone reading this, if you open up Kiora play the saga! It's so good!
Try Morophon Elders. You get to play both the titans, along with the Tarkir Dragonlords, Bolas&Co, Ixalan Dinosaurs, etc. If you just want to play Giants though, that can be cool too.
Same. I built my entire "cheat sheet" around his guides, and am only tweaking them slightly based on other reviews. I finally feel prepared for pre-release!
Wouldnt a 1/1 ploykronous be impossible to kill? it says if he would take damage prevent that damage and remove that many +1+1s from him, so big boy hydra without counters just says prevent that damage basically
Nadir Kraken and Kiora Bests the Sea God are certainly in my top 10 bombs. Nadir Kraken just generates unstoppable value over time and KBTSG instantly wins the game. I had 2 of the saga in my first sealed pool. Resolving one skyrockets your win %. I loathe the bombs in this format, especially the ones at rare.
I gave both an A- in my set review, signifying that they are bombs, but didn't put them on the list. The Kraken because he is so vulnerable at first, and Kiora Bests the Sea God because of the mana cost. Definitely could have put them here though. I am interested to see how things look in draft as opposed to sealed.
half this list is wrong. Kiora bests the sea god isnt on it, nylea, erebos, and nightmare shepard are not bombs, just good cards, and as good as ashiok is, she isnt #2 on this list. Generally the only thing she does is create 2/3s, which isnt bad but generally you dont get to her ultimate and her -3 isnt very good in limited. Uro should be higher. Literally all of the other gods (save purphorous) are better than erebos and nylea. Kiora bests the sea god should 100 precent should be #1, and nadir kraken isnt on this list either. Personally I wouldn't even consider kroxa being a bomb because he does absolutely nothing until hes a creature. If you play him on turn two you can't do anything related to him anytime soon. Based off of playing this set, the list goes like this (best to worst) Kiora bests the sea god, dream trawler, polukranous, klothys, nadir kraken, heliod, uro, ashiok, archon of sun's grace, eutropia (overall a better card than most of the mythics in limited). No hate on nizza, but this kinda pissed me off.
It pissed you off? That is a very extreme reaction for disagreeing about something like this. Keep in mind I made the list without playing the set - now that I have, I mostly agree with what you have to say. I made a lot of bad predictions in this top 10 bombs video, something I don't normally do! But yeah, Kiora Bests the Sea god is definitely #1. I always had it as a bomb, just not a top 10 bomb. In my defense, in a lot of formats 7 mana isn't realistic - but obviously it is here. And the gods shouldn't be here either. Including Heliod, for me. And I overrated Kroxa for sure. That said, Nightmare Shepherd is definitely a bomb. Maybe not top 10 bombs, since this set has so many, but it is definitely a bomb.
I actually just realized how crazy good Dream Trawler is with T3feri. (well, T3feri in itself is really good). But let's assume you have T3feri on board, six mana and you cast Dream Trawler: Your opponent can't counter it, they can't deal with it on your turn, on their turn they might try to kill it, but you just discard a card to give it Hexproof. So the only way to deal with it is a Wrath or sacrifice effect. And this has to be done the following turn, because otherwise there is a chance to protect it with a counterspell. There are few 'if's, but I think it's actually a quite possible situation...
Lol, Polukranos' placement on this list. In a limited format that's still got Gargos, Voracious Hydra and other good high end creatures for green and golgari decks, I highly doubt a 6/6 hydra that loses +1/+1 counters over toughness is really going to make any impact on this meta at all. Especially since Golgari decks usually have synergies with having cards in their graveyard, not exiling cards from the graveyard. I mean sure, if you do escape it it becomes a 12/12. Great. But how much could another Golgari strat do with 6 mana and a bunch of other cards in the graveyard? Probably a lot more than having a big punching bag that loses power every time it fights a creature, that's for sure. Polukranos doesn't even have trample, so it can literally get chumped by tokens all day every day.
I drafted it in two-headed giant tonight. I had it every game and it never worked out great for me. Now, we faced degenerated decks (two opponents in a row played Idylic tutor into Heliod... what we the odds of that???)
I would've liked it if you explained the reasoning for putting Kroxa ahead of Uro more. I feel like drawing a card & ramping is superior to discard & loss of life, but maybe I'm just missing something.
so I pulled dream trawler in my sealed pool and i splashed blue mainly for him, I placed 1st and he won over half my games. Once it hit, my opponents conceded within 1-2 turns
I think I’d rather have some of the rare and mythic sagas over the gods I don’t know how the blue mythic saga didn’t make it it basically wins you the game.
I think a card that has a twist on Escape could be interesting. One that has you exile, let’s say three cards, but one of those cards is from your opponent’s graveyard. Maybe an enchantment that makes all escapes you perform work that way.
When flashing a creature in play in response to an attack I'm a little confused on the rules of priority (I.e. should I ask if they are passing priority before summoning?)
Usually, most players shortcut the passing of priority during declare attackers & declare blockers. Usually, if the active player has some sort of effect, they will use it right after they declare their attackers to avoid any confusion. If they declare attacks, you wait a few seconds, they have no effects, you can assume (at least in casual FNM play) that they pass priority. At that point, you would clarify, "At the end of Declare Attackers, flash in my creature blah blah blah".
Qu: to the MTG community ... if I turn a non Creature Card into a creature (e.g. Land/Artifact/etc.) and that creature dies, does Nightmare Shepherd ability activate? (i.e. creatures a 1/1 Land token with Nightmare type)
Your creature need to die in order to get you the "may exile it" option. But once it's in your graveyard, the effect making it a creature doesn't do anything anymore. The card isn't a creature anymore. So you can't exile it. That's my bet ! My second bet would be : you could exile the card but you get not copy as the sheperd ability tries to copy a creature. It would fizzle.
Having Uro at 9 seems a bit weird looking at it now. The mana cost on it doesn't even matter when Simic has become a powerhouse. It getting banned in multiple formats is basically all you need to know about how good it turned out to be.
I mean, this video was about Limited, so it being banned or any of that is irrelevant. That said, he probably should have been higher on this list anyway.
@@NizzahonMagic that's true. I was more just remarking on how hindsight can really show us that first impressions can be close, but still off the mark. Like seeing double green and double blue really does make it look inefficient, but the amount of value people got from Uro anyways is insane.
@@caseylangstaff Double green double blue is very easy to produce in most constructed formats, so it isn't a big surprise it ended up so good there. Mana is much worse in Limited.
@@NizzahonMagic understandable. I personally don't play that much in limited formats, so i rarely look at it from that perspective. It's definitely interesting to think that a card's power can be variable depending on format. It really makes assessing them difficult and I'm glad people like you take the time to do so.
I do not understand why you consider Nylea to be that strong. I understand that it has a high ceiling both as card draw engine and as big indestructible creature. But it has a really bad floor: spend 4 mana to do nothing, and get overwhelmed on board before you get any value from her. I don't know how fast the format will be. But still I would give her B- at best, certainly not an A.
