MTG Top 10: Worst Mythics | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 66 

So, just to further clarify my position, since so many people are upset to see cards they like on the list and think that I hate EDH as a format: I love EDH, it is my second favorite format. You can find lots of EDH videos on my channel. I am not trying to bash EDH at all. However, all mythic rares see play in EDH, so if I made a list of cards that have never seen play anywhere, it would have 0 cards in it. The one card I feel like I made a mistake on is Mind's Dilation, which I acknowledge should not have made the list. If you disagree with my other picks thats fine, this video is a statement of my own opinion. However, if you are going to argue against certain cards on the list, good luck finding other Mythic Rares that see less play than Archangel's Light, Hellcarver Demon, and Eternity Vessel. Yes, they will work in some EDH decks, but they are only played in a small number -- again everyone, EVERYTHING sees play in EDH. Go to EDHREC and do some research, most of you who suggest cards that should be on the list are suggesting mythics that are played more in EDH than the cards on this list! I hope that clarifies things some. I think next time I do one of these I will include EDHREC stats, since clearly the EDH community is most offended by this list.

1. Play Lich's Mirror 2. Give control of it to an opponent somehow. 3. Kill said opponent with infect, commander damage, or some other persistent lose condition not reset by mirror. 4. They reshuffle, but Lich's Mirror stays in play under their control. They immediately die again due to the same lose condition, causing another reshuffle. 5. The game is now a tie due to a neverending loop that players can't control. 6. Find new friends to play magic with.

I read the title as "10 cards to build decks around as a challenge"

The thing about Lux Cannon is that it stays on the board continuously, until an opponent can deal with it. Once you have three charge counters on it, you have an instant speed removal ready to go whenever you need it, and when you don't need it, you can build up more counters to use later. It's not the fastest, sure, but it's consistent, fairly easy to build up, targets any permanent, and while, with a lot of removal, it's a one-time use and then you need to wait until you draw something else if you need more removal, Lux Cannon lets you know that the maximum amount of time you need to wait is 4 turns. It's especially useful in mono red decks, which have virtually no way to reliably deal with enchantments.

So, I've actually won a match of modern with Lich's mirror. I played a burn mirror and dropped it. I die the first time and topdeck a lethal bolt.

Mind's Dilation is just a fun card to used, to be honest

Lux cannon synergies really well with unwinding clock especially in EDH

Liches Mirror actually has a really amazing use, that being reanimating a player under your control. What you do is gift the mirror to one of your opponents with another card and then kill them. The mirror activates and essentially resets them (to half life in edh but still) *BUT* the mirror is not a card they own, its a card they control. As a result it stays in play. That player is now immortal as long as you stay in the game, but if youre defeated that player loses his mirror and becomes mortal again. It is now in his best interest to keep you alive as long as possible. Undead player slave.

I thought we'd see Tibalt again.

Liches mirror is for when u cast a spell that kills all players mainly big burn spells like earthquake.

I enjoyed the video and agree with a lot of this, but theres one point I want to bring up, which is the difference between a bad mythic and a failure of a mythic. While I know the reason mythics began to be printed was largely due to the fact that otherwise, with the printing template, some rares would just be "rarer" than others, but Mythics usually stick out the most (to me) as cards that do something unique. Usually, even if a Mythic is unplayable in most cases, it at least presents an interesting idea that hasn't been tried before, which I say justifies its existence at least. (I feel this way about most cards on the list, as at least the IDEA is something neat). I feel that no mythic should really ever be a mythic just because it's strong, despite being fairly basic, and that is what I consider truly a waste of a mythic slot (I can understand some for limited reasons, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth). Archangel's Light is an example of a true failure in both departments, as it both incredibly weak and incredibly uninteresting, having the complexity I'd expect to see on an uncommon, while being utterly unplayable everywhere.

Malignus is one of my all time favorite cards for art, theme, and basically everything except actually playing it.

Maybe it's the Johnny in me but I loved almost every one of these cards... they're mostly unweildly but they all seem breakable if you try hard enough.

I see this video kind of as "Top 10 Worst Mythics that Are Still Fun in EDH" For example: Lich's Mirror + Phage EDH. Good? No. Hilarious? Yes.

I do not agree with Mind's Dilation. It's not awesome, but in slow value-based blue decks in is actually pretty sweet. If you play it on turn 7 and wrath the board later, rebuilding will be dangerous for them. But hey, I'm just a Rashmi player, what do I have to say?

Man someone had minds dilation out and I played stolen goods and they hit a counter spell off of the top of my library...countered by my own swan song lol.

For Malignus i have on word: XENAGOD. But yeah not a great card

Hellcarver Demon has incredible art.

Lux is played in so many EDH decks. I also love Mind's Dilation 😍. This has to be one of your most inconsistent videos.

Disagree with Mind's Dilation, while it's not a GOOD Mythic Rare, it's actually decent. While it's not going to get a lot of love in regular Magic formats, this thing puts in WORK in EDH.

I have both Eternity Vessel and Lux Cannon in a deck based around proliferation 😓 It's fun having two cannons blowing things up every turn via clasps, engines, and inexorable tides.

In my breya edge deck ugins nexus is an absolute value bomb and a great combo piece to chain extra turns

The fun thing about the vessel is that it combos really well with aetherflux reservoir in EDH. Here’s how it goes. You have more than 50 life, with the reservoir in play. Play the vessel, kill a player. Drop a evolving wilds. Kill a player. Crack the wilds. Win. This also combos well with Vorel of the Hull Clade, because of his ability. You have 40 life. Play the vessel. Tap Vorel. Double. Land for turn. Life total is doubled. Next turn, tap Vorel, play a land. Rinse repeat.

Eternity vessel is amazing with a vorrel EDH deck you drop it double its counters and drop a land, double its counters again you can now be at 4x your life and that's if you cant untap vorrel to get to x8 or x16

I've seen eternity vessel played in EVERY Oloro EDH deck I've come across, so it may be niche, but it does what it does well in that niche

I have and use 8 out of 10 of these to great effect

Archangel's Light vs. Elixir of Immortality Hmmmm....

The title could be "MTG Top 10: Fun Mythics to play"

I like opinion-based videos better than stats-driven. They show more of Magic's history and flavor, and the choices and inclusions are more surprising. Would love to see some more complex topics, maybe something like top 5 wonky interactions.

Minds dialation is straight up insane in my Rashmi control Commander deck, as you "cast" opponents spell, rashmi triggeres as well. I dont play it with everything that has blue in it, so I get it, its definitely not great, but I think I can think a lot worse mythics in blue then mind's dialation. Good or bad, its such a dun card 😂😂

I am now using ugins nexus in my sideboard in mono U tron because there is a take extra turn meta at my lgs! Thanks for enlightening me haha

I've won games with malignus. Great with any amount of damage doubling or fling.

Lux Cannon/Ring of Three Wishes + Unwinding Clock and/or any proliferate card. Need I say more?

I mean with lich's mirror your opponent can be at like 2 life or something and you can bolt them or something

I personally don't agree with many of these choices such as lux cannon or ring of three wishes.

The biggest thing you missed with the Lich's Mirror that is fairly important to most victory's I've heard of with the Mirror is that you get to keep ALL mana you have spent that turn. So, let's say you played a Channel at some point and then paid your entire life down to kill you and start over... you still have 20+ colorless Mana in your pool to play around with with the seven cards you just drew. It's EXTREMELY deck dependant and of course, very useful in Combo decks for the most part.

richard garfield once said: if you think a card is bad, the card is just not for you.

I've been toying around with Ugin's Nexus as a 1-of in my Tron build since I run O-Stones and Spine of Ish Sah, which can trigger the additional turn. Grant it, I may not see it all too often, but if I am pushing for game via one additional turn, I don't really mind when it does happen.

Lux Cannon was ok in its standard environment because of proliferate.

While Ugin Nexus is indeed situational, there is waaay too much ways to copy it, sacrifice the token and you gain an extra turn, I believe the rule says the token does hit the graveyard before it fades out right?

Eternity Vessel with any deck where lands matter, or lifegain matters, or even counters matter is super crazy good, i have no idea why it's number 2

I disagree. Ugin's nexus is great in EDH with emrakul as commander. When it comes out your opponents now know that you will rekt them or take an extra turn that normally resolves in rekting them aswell, as far as eldrazi work.

You forgot to list Tarmogoyf.

Archangel's light was the first individual card I bought on its own... I think I was trying to combo it with Serra Avatar. It was not a good combo.

I was watching this and preparing to comment, "these arent that bad" then I saw lichs mirror

Ok question. If you used lichs mirrors in a white deck that you had ob ring in. Use ob ring to exile your strongest creature. Then when th mirror activates you remove OB ring from play along with your hand and graveyard. Would the exiled creature return to the battlefield and remain?

Wow, I like your videos, but other than the #1 spot, I disagree on every choice. Most of these cards are Johnny cards- cards that beg you to find a use for them. I'm guessing you're not much of a Johnny, then, eh?

Lux Cannon also came out during a time when Proliferate effects were in Standard. I played it as a single one-of in FNM burn at the time.

Guys, responding and telling me that these cards are playable in a super tiny niche of EDH is kind of proving my point - basically all cards can find a home in EDH with some commander - I said as much in the video!

Malignus seems pretty legit in EDH. Someone on the table will have much higher life than others, so you can one-shot a lot of players, and 5 mana isn't even that much investment by EDH standards. Mind's Dilation looks sweet in EDH too.

Vorel EDH can make Ring of Three Wishes work because you can do the stupidest loophole in the universe and wish for more wishes, and UG decks usually have access to ridiculous amounts of mana so the steep cost isn't as much of a concern.

Gisela has a pretty memey combo with malignus. It one shots any opponent with even life and leaves the rest at 1 since its damage is doubled and its half your opponents life

Eternity Vessel looks really cool. It seems pretty good in life gain decks

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I'm putting ugins nexus in my breya deck

Hellcarver Demon won me several local tournaments back when it was Standard Legal. IIRC it ran: x4 Hellcarver Demon X4 Warp World x2-3 Emrakul, Aeons Torn x4 Bogardan Hellkite And then everything else was dedicated to massive green ramp. Such as: X4 Mul Daya Channelers X4 Awakening Zone And a bunch of Eldrazi Drone cards. Hellcarver didn't even care about Baneslayer Angel back then, as it could still trample through or people would just let it hit on the chance that I'D whiff.

don't want to be that guy. 10, 9, 8, are super abusable in Daretti/Mono R Stax. Nexus is a Great Welder Target, in additon to being Stranglehold number 2. Lux cannon, without access to unwinding clock/clock of omens/voltaic key is pretty bad. most Daretti decks are already running heavy in the mana rocks department. 5 mana isn't to hard to get to to fetch out lock pieces, however in other color stax decks there are superior cards to ring. outside of that. 6-1 is on topic. 7 is a Staple for Horde of Notions/Mayials Aira/fling/warstorm surge. Granted.... its a very situational card that has shrinking returns. These notions are coming from EDH/CEDH. Im not saying everyone plays hermit druid/Mizzix. However there are some very solid cards that don't see play in meta's. In other Constructed formats. yeah. Everything on this list is not going to see play in a 60 card deck.

mind's dilation is an awesome card in EDH, and i know you said that doesn't count since it a niche situation, but pretty much any blue deck can play this and it will help in my opinion that is

You should make a top 10 anime betrayals

For Lux Cannon, when you play it turn-1, you're allowed to tap it immediately, right? If it was an artifact creature, I probably couldn't, but because it's just an artifact, can I tap it immediately?

Ummmmmmmm 60/60 on turn 5 doesnt sound to bad?

Lich’s Mirror is played in the hilarious “Show yourself the door” deck to force the opponent into making the right choicr

I won too many games in with Oloro EDH because of Archangel's light. Your list man I don't think you actually hit the worst Mythics ever, certainly these are not

Notably, I used Lich's Mirror all the time in mono black and B/W combo decks in edh to stack up a huge necrologia on the stack or get a full 47 using necropotence with a though vessel or spellbook on the stack. It definitely is niche, but is super insane in those scenarios.

Ring of Three Wishes? Mana ramp and proliferate. Lux Cannon? Mana ramp, Filigree Sages, and proliferate. Ugin's Nexus? If you think this isn't useful, I'd like to invite you to play a guy I know. I'll give you Malignus. Only play against super life gain decks once every other week. Descent into Madness is great for token generating decks. Mind's Dilation EXILES even land cards, which is better than it seems with all the nonbasic lands people use. Again, bring this card around to play against the guys I play with. One guy can't help but build high-octane power decks with really useful cards. Lich's Mirror? Either Ghostway or controlling your opponents creatures, and Suspend cards. www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/new-card-discussion/231763-lets-break-lichs-mirror Hellcarver Demon? Combo with Insurrection, Insidious Dreams, Doomsday..... Eternity Vessel? Oh, c'mon, man! Vorel of the Hull Clade, Gilder Bairn, Phyrexian Unlife, Necropotence! Need I go on??? Archangel's Light? Great for decks that use dredge, lots of tutors, or self-milling combo engines. You made this list by considering the cards in a near vacuum. No advice for combos. In other words, you sound like you are complaining and not taking the time to fix what you see as flaws.

Archangels light can’t cost less than 7. I do agree this is even bad at the uncommon power level. It is a common not a mythic rare. But if it cost 6 it is instantly playable in vintage mana less dredge. Allowing the deck to go off multiple times. Not something magic wants to do.

So you're saying that you would rather die flat out than be able to have a disadvantage, but a second chance? I think lich's mirror is a good 5-drop, especially if you have nothing else to cast on that turn. EDIT: Many of these are awesome mythics, this video is BAD. This video is so terrible, it will never even see play in EDH. EDIT: I'm not trying to hate, Nizzahon Magic. You're a magic content creator, and that's a good thing. Just joking around.

Why do you downgrade cards just because they take time to get use out of. Think of how many turns you end drawing lands and got nothing to do but hold a tactical spell, swing, and charge your artifact. Some these cards take setup. Why would you drop descent into madness without some prep. Furthermore if you drop descent into msdeness then use your other spot removal and discard,you quickly force them into sacrificing valuable permanents

I have a casual Modern permanent denial Bolas deck that always maintains land and hand advantage over the opponent. In that, Descent into Madness is a fun finishing blow. You leave a large creature (or Bolas) on the board and choke out your opponent's last 3-4 lands and 1-2 cards in hand for the finish and ditch it to itself when you're ready.

I have played two of those cards so i feel kinda bad but i think i got them to work pretty well. I played the demon in a mardu reanimator EDH deck loded with ETB fattys and reanimate spells. I also played Lux Cannon as a way to deal with non-creature permenants in a standard turbo fog deck back then. The cannons dowside is much less relevant with axcess to voltaic key and an abundance of fogs/wrath's to buy you so much time.

I play Ring of three wishes in my mono green decks its very good to get any sort of sorcery or instant that you would need such as Genesis wave or Primal surge. I also use it in a lot of my pool if Redux such as ezuri although less useful having untap Shenanigans is fun with ring of three wishes and proliferate.

2:28 you can actually get this rolling with things that untap artifacts at your endstep so that you can use it every other turn or even other ways to untap with other spells so really that could hit pretty hard if used right (which i think was your point)

Minds Dilation is huge in Yidris decks, adding another source of free spells and making it really hard for opponents to keep up. Not to mention being one of the best spells to cast with cascade. It is also really strong in combination with Rashmi, Jori En, Jeleva, Mirari (artifact), Riku, Wrexial the risen deep, and more so any deck that utilizes those cards sees pretty significant value. It does have variable value, but the fact that it exiles the card regardless of whether you cast it means that at the very least you are denying a card. In decks where you can ramp and get board presence in your first 3-4 turns, Mind's Dilation becomes a foot-on-the-throat turn 5 play that allows you to steal things your opponent wants to draw.

Wow I'm actually suprised seeing Lux Cannon. Back in my non-EDH multiplayer games I built a deck around charge counters and the cannon was one of my favourite toys to annoy my opponents :D.

Lich's Mirror is like respawning as a level one character after dying, but you're still caught in the same high level encounter.

Archangel's Light actually did some good work for me in Narset EDH. My graveyard got huge with all the cards I was cycling through, and getting to cast this card for free was nice. That and getting all my awesome cards back into my deck. Especially since I would usually play a card to get all lands in my deck exiled, so I could have a 100% hit rate with Narset. Gaining potentially 40 life or more really made the deck last longer, especially since Narset gets set back a lot if she does go back to the command zone and costs a ton of mana.

The number one is a great card for decks with lots of cards, say you had 20 cards in your graveyard, instant 40 life, unless they can cut you down in one turn while you wait to get mana back this is a good card.

I used Archangels Light in an EDH deck, it did its job, life gain and getting cards back into my deck to reuse... so its not that bad. Outside of EDH don't know if I'd play it

I run lich's mirror in a zedru deck it has been responsible for winning me a few games cause im constantly trading off permanents with other players so sometimes when i die it leaves my opponents board empty or near empty and i still jave all the stuff i took from them

Doomsday used Lich’s Mirror for a while, along with Channel. It was really good because Channel let you create as much mana as you want and the Mirror kept resetting you anyways. Then, after looping this a bunch of times because your deck was whittled down to your board, your hand, Doomsday, the 5 cards you selected from Doomsday, which normally consisted of Ancestral, Channel, Lotus, Lich’s Mirror, and Tendrils, you will likely loop with Channel and Mirror a bunch of times until you feel like casting Tendrils of Agony. So yes. This was the one use for Lich’s Mirror, and it was in Vintage Doomsday. I know this because Doomsday was my signature deck for Vintage for the longest time, and this was my favorite kill because unlike other Doomsday kills, holding the combo pieces in your hand did not mean you can’t combo.

I have won with hellcraver demon in my EDH deck. The key is to had a damping engine or ward of bones in play (or use top or scrollrack to see that one of them is at the top of you library) and get the demon and artifacts out quickly, which is fairly easy for black. Once you nuke all you permanents and cast your free spells your opponents either can't play anymore lands (ward of bones) or have to sacrifice a permanent to play anything (dampening engine). While you have at least a 6/6 beater on the field. Oh and decedent into madness was also in that deck and works as well. It's a mono black great stax deck.

the eternity vessel does some good work in commander if you have a deck build around getting counters and that you can swap them with Atraxa, Praetors' Voice

My friend has a Monored Kurkesh-artifacts edh deck, and runs both Ring of Three Wishes and Lux Cannon. When you're doubling activated abilities on artifacts for a single red mana, and possibly proliferating and/or untapping artifacts constantly (thanks to artifacts abilities that can ALSO be doubled) you'd be amazed at how devastating those two cards can be.

I use eternity vessel in a deck that runs necropotence and bolas's citadel and other similar effects. It works pretty well. You just pay however much life you want and then drop a land and you basically got those effects for free. It's also especially good when. You pair it with alhamarret's archive because if your life total is lower than the charge counters and you drop a land, you actually gain life equal to twice the difference between your total and the counters. It's 100% a niche card but it can be pretty devastating with the right deck

eternal vessel seems pretty good with cards that double counters... if I play it with 8 life, next turn it runs up to 16, next turn up to 32, then 64, then 128. Seems like after 3 turns (after bringing it out) having that much life would be pretty good.

Hey what's up I think you need to reassess Minds dilation I've been running it in a simic deck since it released and it's always been value when I get it on board its biggest effect on the game state is people are on nerve want to what are hit out of there Library

Descent into madness is fun in token generation decks, usually blue/black sprite or black/green squirrel. Then Descent becomes practically a one-sided board sweep and becomes a win condition. It's not competitive by any means, but is a lot of fun.

Mind's Dilation is on the list? Have you ever played with/against it in EDH? Card's good.

The thing about the lux cannon and the ugins nexus is that if your playing an artifact combo deck (which i do) they are incredibly easy to break. While this does not excuse them from being, in general, bad cards, having your commander being daretti (a gobbo who wants big stupid artifacts in the graveyard) and having a large amount of untap shenanagins makes these two cards especially useful

I personally did play Mind's Dilation in a standard U/W Approach of the Second Sun deck. It helped slow the opponent down while I was delving in order to get the first AotSS draw if I didn't get it already. Admittedly, it doesn't slow them down that much, but it does help in this situation.

I ran Magalius in standard back in the day. I forgot how I powered him up, but I loved playing him against Turbo Fog. This was a Act of Treason and Cloudshift deck the few weeks after Avacyn Dropped. Another wincon was to have the Boros Angel and fling Magilus at my oppoent, but I dont think I ever did that more than once.

i have lux cannon in my charge counter deck, just a one-of in case i have to kill an enchantment or planeswalker. ugin's nexus is pretty good in any deck where you sac artifacts (arcbound ravager, syndicate traffiker), descent into madness is very similar to smokestack which is a very powerful card and should be easy to build a deck around, eternity vessel works with macap experiment in place of platinum emperion, and lich's mirror works great with realm razer and any of the pacts.

My friend loves to cheat things out, he has multiple edh decks where he does so. And he uses minds dilation to great effect. Usually finding a way to get it out on turn 3 or 4 and reaping the rewards while others are still setting up

Is it ok to like the art on Ring of Three Wishes. I have a toilet copy, and the flames on the ring really stand out and look sweet.

I'm Surprised lux cannon didn't make it big when a lot of those untapping combo decks were out which could just rapidly tap and untap it to generate a lot of counters to nuke whole enemy boards

I could _theoretically_ see Hellcarver Demon working with something like Library of Leng, where when you're forced to discard, you can choose to put the cards onto the top of your library - so first you load your hand with powerful, expensive cards, then deal the damage with Hellcarver Demon, discard your cards to the top of your library, exile them, and then play them for free, but it's such a roundabout way of doing things, I can't see it being practical.

I have won several games with the mirror using an aggro machine gun deck. After the mirror effect happens, it usually results in me rapidly finishing off my opponent, because I have a second chance to kill them, as well as having the high chance of getting the mirror out again

is it possible to make use of phasing with liches mirror since technically phased cards "does not exist"

Interesting combo for Lich's Mirror could be to somehow get out Worldfire and Lich's Mirror afterwards. Put your opponent at 1 and you at 20. Load the rest of your deck with cheap burn. The hardest part would be cheating out the Lich's Mirror, which could be accomplished with Jhoira of the Ghitu. Suspend Lich's Mirror, then play Worldfire anywhere within those 4 turns. There's also a 1-drop card for removing time counters, so you could Jhoira effect (2 mana) -> Remove 1-3 time counters from suspended Lich's Mirror, then Worldfire. If you don't want to/can't get mana ramp for whatever reason, you can suspend Worldfire the same turn as Lich's Mirror and have them trigger on the same turn. With this route, assuming you remove 1 time counter from each of them, it's only a 6 mana investment to put yourself at game start and your opponent with 1 mana and no resources. Ideally (could start on turn 2 with proper mana base, probably) Turn 3: Jhoira Turn 4: Suspend Worldfire + Lich's Mirror Turn 5: Play two Clockspinning, W+LM now at 2 time counters. Use 3 mana left over to counter anything big if needed Turn 6: Stall for 1 turn Turn 7: Resolve Worldfire THEN Lich's Mirror (you pick the order as you have priority), use any burn spell you have mana for.

I don't remember the exact details but I did actually win with liches mirror once an opponent went off in such a way that they milled both off us out and I died first, Liches mirror triggered, then their effect resolved on them and they died (to their own effect) before I could run through my library again with the milling.