MTG Top 10: WORST Time Walks | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 182 

Just in case you’ve come back to watch older videos - Chance For Glory ended up seeing Standard play after this was made, and would not qualify anymore due to that.

Chance for Glory is a monster of a win-con in Boros commanders (like Aurelia the Warleader) who give you extra rounds of combat. I know some commander decks that can get three or four rounds of combat off on a single turn. Now double that...

Chance for glory was a part of lich's mastery combo decks. If you had lich's mastery out, you could ignore the lose the game clause and get a 3 mana instant speed timewalk.

"Time stream Navigator wouldn't be broken as a repeatable activated ability" Sure, let's just make a one card infinite turn combo. Are you saying that Ascend is enough of a requirement for that?

To be fair, if timestream navigator didn't tuck itself you would just get infinite turns the moment you untapped with it.

Chance for glory is bad? Rainbow lich would like a word with you.

Didn’t Chance for Glory actually make a few waves not long after it first came out in Gideon decks ? It was actually somewhat playable in red white decks that could get the “you can’t lose” clause. While it wasn’t top tier it was definitely playable.

I know people have said it a million times already, but Chance for Glory does not belong here at all

I had a friend who thought you got an extra turn from every card in search the city.... we had to get a judge to convence him otherwise

I will contend, Chance for glory has won me about 3/4 of the games I've used it in. Combined with heroic reinforcements I don't think Chance deserved to be on this list.

you called number 8 a counterspell :O

Magistrate's Scepter gives you can extra turn instantly with a coretapper. (Or infinite turns with 3 coretappers)

better title: MTG Top 10: fair time walks

Chance for Glory is pretty good in standard Boros/Naya hero/aggro, combined with Heroic Reinforcement it's a legit strategy, not meta but definitely not garbage ^^

I mean, you could use a qualifier here. "Worst in limited" or "worst in Legacy" or something like that would probably be more accurate for many of these here.

Temporal Extortion definitely has increased value in Commander games. With long games and multiple opponents, the cost and downsides are somewhat mitigated. In the early game it can give you an edge when people don’t want to lose 15 or 20 life, and in the late game it can help you close gaps. Not a huge bump, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

I’m calling ugin’s nexus number 1 Edit: why was nexus on worst mythic rares but not here 😂

Gonti's Aether Heart I feel like is one of those cards that for me embodies that disclaimer at the top of the video, that some of these cards have homes in EDH. In my Tawnos and Urza decks, because there's so many ways to both reduce artifact mana cost and create and copy artifacts, I can reliably drop GAH and have it fire off on the same turn, as well as recurring it back with Karn the Great Creator, but it's definitely very dependent on the way the deck has been built so I can understand why it's on this list.

I think chance for glory is actually a very cool card. There are lots of times, especially in Commander, that you can garauntee a win for yourself with one turn. You can also get around "losing the game" Lich Mastery decks love this card. I think in time this card will show it's power. It's cheap enough to combine with sweep, and you can play stuff like seize the day on your extra turn. You can even use Sundail of the infinite to avoid losing if you fuck up. Situational, but it's very easy to control the situations the card is good, it's in colors that have no other access to this effect, and it's dirt cheap.

Top 10 worst Time Walk effects 1. Time Walk At least I can play these other cards on the list. But with Time Walk, I have to pay 17491$ to get this stupid card and even then i still can't play it bcoz it's banned. Now THOSE are some serious hoops to get through, LUL

Fun fact, magistrates scepter is made broken with power conduits and coretappers.

my Boros Scepter Control would like to disagree on your statement about Chance for Glory; the card is busted in the deck that plays all the effects that say "you don't lose the game"

Chance for Glory, Timestream Navigator and Magistrate's Scepter are relevant in EDH. They should be at least lower in the list.

Feel like Chance for Glory is getting a raw deal here, it's not good, but it's a better card than Temporal Extortion. If you can skip the extra turn or not lose at the end of the extra turn, all your creatures are indestructible. Not until end of turn, until the end of the game.

I like how timewalk has become so iconic that it is now how people indicate taking extra turns

Magistrate’s Scepter goes infi soooooooo easily with any ways to put charge counters and proliferate, it is sweet!

So, here are the stats according to EDHREC: 1. Search the City 3/125170 0% 2. Wormfang Manta 35/125170 0% 3. Magosi, the Waterveil 604/125170 0% 4. Stitch in time 1008/56285 2% 5. Magistrate's Scepter 801/244452 0% 6. Gonti's Aether Heart 803/244452 0% 7. Timestream Navigator 1099/125170 1% 8. Chance for Glory 391/50603 1% 9. Second Chance 140/125170 0% 10. Temporal Extortion 1001/123923 1% (The second column is the decks that DO play the card over the decks that COULD play the card.) Timestream Navigator and Chance for Glory score far better than Second Chance. In fact, Chance for Glory is played in conjunction with Sunforger to get infinite turns, and just last weak I lost to an Inalla deck because: it played the Navigator, then got an extra turn with the token, then got another extra turn with the original and, by the time they had finished, got yet another turn with a timewalk effect they've drawn meanwhile. I've conceded on the spot. Magistrate's Scepter and Gonti's Aether Heart are a tie, but I know the Scepter can go infinite with stuff like Contagion Engine and some untapper, while I don't know any combo with the Heart. Surprisingly, Stitch in Time scores quite high and I think it's because it fits quite well in any Zndrsplt & Okaun deck.

Temporal Extortion is best thought of as a 4CMC halving HP card moreso than it is a timewalk card. In terms of utility the HP halving could be impactful particularly in multiplayer.

Stitch in time is amazing! I made an is set storm deck that could use this izzet color enchant to give sorceries/ instants storm and return sells from graveyard and chained like 12 turns from it

"Yeah I know, Krark's Thumb is a card. Good luck with that." the delivery on that line was magnificent

I agree that time stream navigator is a very fragile creature and fragile combo, but it is in blue, the control color... Depending on who your playing against, they may over think the situation and trip over themself. Like, one time I told the table my time stream navigator combo takes 14 mana to go off. They for whatever reason let the navigator live, then let me get to 14 mana, then held nothing up when it came to my turn... The only other blue player had just blown his last card in hand countering a different game winning spell which wasn't going to win yet. So I explained the combo to them, told them there was nothing they could do, and told them sooner or later, I'd draw the win condition I needed, and we should move on to the next game. Then there was this other time a guy teferi's protection himself to not die to targeted effects, but still lost due to me taking infinite turns with the navigator and global effects. I stopped playing that deck afterwards...

and number 4, Stitch in Time, won me a game the other day when I doubled it with Insidious Will, and managed to win one of my two coin flips.

Speaking on edh. 10: Add with Wound Reflection, or similar effect. In commander, it's usually 10 life or more.. 9: Veldaken Orrery, any form of flash. If run with black, can use a card like ad naseum prior. 8: Use ANY card that says you can't lose the game, once end step ends, the effect fizzles out completely and your creatures are still indestructible. 7: Is kind of crap, but can make uncounterable and give haste. 4: Use American quarters after 1980, it's nearer 70% due to alloy layering. Near 80-90 if the 2000 state series.

Magistrates scepter is a Time Walk factory if you run it in a charge counter deck. really, that's the only playable synergy or you're using a paper-weight paper weight

Chance for glory was played a lot in lichess mastery decks

Chance for Glory is AMAZING when you can Stifle the end of turn lose effect or otherwise skip it. (like with Sundial of the infinite) That's permanent indestructible on your whole board AND an extra turn for 3 mana. Especially in EDH that seems worth the risk of them disrupting it and killing you.

Chance for glory was the main wincon combo for rainbow lich/lich's mastery decks, while they were never top tier competitive lists, it wasn't not a pushover at all and had numerous ways to infinitely loop CFG with mirari conjecture. One of the most unique decks in recent memory. So, it at least had a home in niche but strong deck as a strong wincon, that's way mpre than some of the others can say.

Chance for Glory made it into Mythic Championship (5 I guess), combined with Embercleave as Überfinisher

Magistrate's Scepter is really good if you're running a proliferate deck or any of the pseudo-proliferate mechanics. 8 mana to get a repeatable timewalk without paying any mana after the initial investment beyond what a proliferate deck is already doing.

I forgot search the city was an extra turn card. Totally glossed over that when I first read it

I played a guy who used chance for glory, then used that one artifact which instantly ends the turn in the second main of his second turn, so he basically got an extra turn for 3 mana.

Timestream Navigator is actaully a win con in my Inalla commander deck, but you have stated in several videos that commander is a format where a lot more cards can find a home. You can slap down the creature and immediately take an extra turn thanks to Inalla's eminence ability making a token copy of it with haste. Add a Crystal Shard to this interaction to keep putting the original copy of the card back into your hand, and you now have the ability to take infinite turns.

Well.....no temporal extortion is pretty good. I run it in my brown leafs deck and being able to half your opponent's life to edge your board state into lethal territory or taking an extra turn to develop a board is ussualy a win win in any situation. And let's say worse case scenario you drop it on your 4th turn then your opponent picks extra turn instead of half you still get an extra land, card draw, and any upkeep effects. It's literally never a losing situation. Even if your opponent is at a low life like 4 and they take the half that puts them in rang for any kind of minor instant damage spells or effect. Or if your both are at a peak board state that 2 damage can mean the diffrence.

Yo chance for glory has won me so many games ngl

What's funny about Chance for Glory is that Ali Aintrazi actually won an SCG Classic event with it in a 5 color control deck where you took infinite turns by constantly recurring and copying it with Mirari Conjecture. It was a pretty neat deck. I still csnt get rid of my copies I bought for that deck though, haha.

Magistrate's Scepter looks like something JLK could use proficiently, knowing his history of pulling shenanigans on every commander game he plays

the reprint of magistrates scepter makes a lot of sense if you consider that war of the spark was build with a ton of spells and creatures that can proliferate. So once you have the first counter on it, you can get the others for free, effectively getting you a timewalk for 7 mana you can use multiple times. I tried playing around with it for a while. I could not get it to give me infinite turns consistently enough to make it worthwhile for a combo deck, but it gave me quite a few extra turns and wins.

Also something interesting about stitch in time is that the coin flip is part of it resolving meaning it’s kind of an interesting dilemma for your opponent of whether they want to counter something that either does nothing or is one of the most powerful effects in magic

Chance for Glory, Timestream Navigator & the Scepter are not bad cards, definitely janky cards, but not bad at all. The three of them have combos.

Temporal Extortion's flavor honestly makes the card's questionable value a lot funnier. "The scythe of time or my blade at your throat- the choice is yours." "I'll take the blade at my throat, please."

For number five, the scepter. Unwinding clock & friend's + energy chamber & friend's, with Proliferate and artifact cmc cost reduction effects means 4 Mana for an infinite ability to just tap out an extra turn, every turn. #4 izzet spells deck #2 Venusian Shapeshifter, and of course the ixalan block's No Entering The Battlefield Effects, creature. 1 yes. I have five. Pulled Five! Three of them in limited!!

I have a deck in the current standard based around the Magistrates Scepter, it’s a heavy Simic proliferate deck that fairly smoothly gets me infinite turns by around turn 10, at which point I’m able to consistently proliferate 3 times every turn to both buff my creatures and add charge counters to it, it’s one of my favorite decks to play

Honestly now that Archfiend of Despair is a card, Temporal Extortion now reads "your opponent may choose to either give you an extra turn, or lose the game at the end of your turn"

I play a slightly modified list from Ali Aintrazi--Dinos Wearing Helmets (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Nw41NTOX4qg.html ), and that runs the Navigator/Helm of the Host combo package, and let me tell you, counting to 15 mana is so much more fun when you aren't reaching for the stock Emrakul. Btw, the slight modification I made was -1 tapland, -1 basic (to make it an even 6 each of Island and Forest); +2 Evolving wilds, and I couldn't be happier. You haven't lived until you've chained Tatyova into Evolving Wilds into Evolving Wilds into double Grow from the Ashes, bringing your life total from on-the-ropes single digits to a healthy 20 or 30, with a commanding board presence to back it up. God, I love this deck.

funny that you put magistrates scepter in there, i actually have it in a vorel deck and its a crucial piece for one of my infinite combos in it

I think Wormfang Manta is better then you make it out to be because that downside becomes negated by Torpor orb and Hushwing Gryf. And if you can play anything that allows you to kill this, and another that revives it,, you can basically take infinite turned

Man, there's a lot more time walks than I thought there were. I've never heard of most of these

I've only played MTGA so I just learned about Magosi, but it does seem to have potential for me, in instant decks. The main issue is that you also skip your untap phase; but the key is that you can play the skip ability at instant speed. Picture the following: I kept most of my mana untapped to counter some stuff from the opponent and/or destroy some stuff they played or something with instants in my hand. They didn't play anything worth my mana, so I have a bunch of unspent mana that's about to go to waste, and all my spells are instants. I'll just activate the ability on my opponent's end step, skip my upcoming turn, and since I still have mana from the fact I didn't do anything last turn, I still have the ability to counter or play other instants during your turn. And now I have an extra turn for free that I can use later on when I have the ability to do something with it. It's not broken, but it does seem quite useful for instant decks as an extra threat and another way to make use of mana you keep to respond to situations with instants.

Magistrate's sceptre and proliforate in standard is a hidden gem Tbh

would've been awesome to see some math on search for the city. What's the chance that within X turns, you actually see enough cards to get 5(!!!!) cards with a specific name

Started playing magosi. One of the single best cards in a hard control shell. Instants / flash. Never been dead.

Chance for glory has some really cool effects with trigger stifling and anti-loss cards because of how cheap it is. Edit: magistrates septer is really busted in dice-factory decks. I’ll put a list that abuses here.

I digg the pirate wizard 👍 She’s probably a distant relative of the Prodigal Sorcerer.

Magistrate's scepter was fire before paradox engine got banned in commander

Second chance could be pretty nice with Bolas citadel, since you can lower your own life to 5 if you need.

magistrate's scepter is ok now with proliferate and reclamation. i ran a simic deck with it for a while and it worked alright. wasn't consistent, but it did work. the key was that you never used the scepter at 3 charges, but rather 4. that way you only had to do the first 4 mana tap once, and you'd use karn's bastion, reclamation sage, flux channeler, courage in crisis, contentious plan, that 2 mana proliferate elf. again, it required too many moving parts to ever be consistent, but proliferate has made the card much more useful.

Proliferate and charge counter shenanigans could make Magistrate's Scepter fun. I didn't know about this card, and now I'm wanna build a fun counters deck in which it would slip in nicely.

I was thinking Wormfang Manta might be good with a card that flickers until the next end step like Roon of the Hidden Realm, flickering it on the end step so you always end the turn with the take the extra turn trigger to take infinite turns, at the price that if someone kills the wormfang then you're basically skipping a future turn for each turn you took. But it turns out, that's not how skipping turns work. It doesn't remove your next turn from the turn order the moment the trigger resolves, it sticks around and waits until your next turn actually happens and removes it then

Gonti's Aether Heart was pretty sweet for infinite energy creation and then taking an extra turn to finish game off.

"Yes there is Kraks thumb, good luck with that" thank you. I average around 6 turns in a row with my stitches

Chance for glory is great way underrated

I think this is the first worst of list ever that I have thought to myself "I have played half of these cards." Chance for glory is a wonderful linchpin in rainbow lich. Timestream Navigator is a two card combo with Ajani, Valiant Protector (the aether revolt planeswalker deck one). Granted it was fragile and you could only run Timestream for creatures, but you were playing a control deck around it anyways. It was actually pretty viable in Rivals of Ixalan standard. and fun fact, Megosi, the waterveil goes infinite with two chronomantic escapes. not amazing, but my cousin used to play it in a UW modern turbofog deck.

I've run several of these in EDH. Chance for Glory in Aurelia, Timestream Navigator in a few (it clones well) and Stitch in Time in my Melek deck. Of those, Chance for Glory was actually consistently a game-winner for me, as my Boros deck has lots of creatures that created more creatures on attack, so getting two turns in a row would often be enough to seal the deal on multiple opponents. I would usually play it sorcery speed before playing my own board wipe to clear out blockers. Stitch in time admittedly isn't super strong, but I cut my better extra turn cards as they made my Melek Deck unpleasant to play against. With all the copying, Stitch in Time still usually nets me about one turn per play though, but it is decidedly outclassed by other Time Walks, and wouldn't be in the deck if it wasn't Izzet flavored. Timestream Navigator usually is pretty janky though...

I’ve played people with like 10 of these in their deck, including the original, ‘Timewalk’. They just kept taking turns over and over. Guess what? They won, I do believe.

I’M HUNTING MAGISTRATE SCEPTER RIGHT NOW! Running a proliferate deck is what I am good at. Magistrate scepter would cost 7 mana distributed over two turns, but then the rest is free, if not ignored. Proliferation is an amazing mechanic that I’ve figured how to use. Do I lose? Sometimes. Mainly when I can’t make my cards hexproof. However, I’ve made ways to make my cards hexproof, oppose hexproof cards, and straight up power up when I get a few cards going. Magistrate scepter, in my opinion, is the best infinite turn combo card.

Repeatable time stream navigator would not be okay. Also how did chance for glory make the list over final fortune? Glory costs one more and needs white, but it also gives your creatures indestructible and besides that is the same as final fortune.

I like to consider the top 10 best time walks to be the top 10 worst time walks -.-

that Magistrate's Scepter looks like a few keys would work well with it, and if you combo it with the right lands and creatures you can get the 12 mana per turn, EVERY turn. Sol Ring, Everflowing Chalice just a few examples alongside the Urza lands. Maybe even mix in a little Darksteel for repeated attacks? Cuz yeah an extra turn means another chance to attack and then use the Scepter all over again and against Darksteel your opponent will run out of creatures to wall you with eventually right? Also Wormfang Manta with Torpor Orb and Conjurer's closet LOL

I'd say Magistrate's Scepter can be pretty good in a dedicated proliferate deck. Even though it looks below curve, it compensates by not destroying or exiling itself, so you can go infinite with it fairly easily compared to other Time Walks.

I had a deck back in the day I top 8'd a few tourneys with Timestream navigator. It was a U/W control style deck except it ran Gideon of the trials and Helm of the host. While also running anointed processions and many of the embalm creatures. I could make Gideon a creature to helm him and make more Gideons, or combo off with Timestream to win the game. Having a emblemed Gideon plus the navigator combo meant i couldn't lose to deck out, and many times it would come down to simply smashing through with too many Gideons, locking red out of the game with them, or slamming the helm down on a lyra and going the face beat plan. I wish I had been able to play the deck more in it's era. I just didn't have the funds to make those trips to bigger tournaments. I got top 8 in three different Pptq's

Chance for Glory is a three cost "double the damage you have on the board" if you play it alone. Plus, you're playing Boros. You should have enough removal between white and red to blow through for lethal in two turns.

I like the Navigator in my Vannifar deck as a one off. In the late game, it makes each Llanowar Elfes to a time walk.

I don't agree with Timestream Navigator. Yes, it's fragile, but There was the Teferi that created tokens with it's plus and searched every turn with his ult. Then again I've also made a deck around magistrate's scepter that jank-viable.

Timestream Navigator is awesome in EDH with Inalla.

I use a deck with phyrexian mana artifacts that makes me pay any amount of life to boost their attack. During the upkeep I can choose to chain the life pay before the Enchantment activates and pay a ton of life, and getting an extra turn out of it seems like a cool pay-off. I shall try it

Stitch In Time is really good if you utilize it with some of the cards or creatures with the rebound mechanic it came out with in that block. A 3 mana Extra turn card with no downside for losing the coin toss+ a few cards with rebound as a mechanic make it very viable in home brew games if you like long drawn out duels like me and your decks take some time to set up.

Search the city could be fun with one of these cards that you can have many of in your deck. Still bad, but fun

Magistrate's Scepter in conjunction with Evolution Sage is amazing! Even if you have to spend 7 mana to get the first turn, you're not gonna have to spend anymore mana to get it to enough counters to take multiple extra turns if you play cards like Boundless Realms or scapeshift then you're gonna be able to take atleast 5 extra turns. It's a staple in my Bolas deck where I abuse omniscience and Inexorable Tide to abuse the proliferate ability.

I run the sceptre in my charge counter proliferate deck. it does infinite pretty eezy

I don’t really disagree with its place on this list, but I personally use second chance in an edh deck for its potential to infinitely combo off of form of the dragon and things like mistveil plains after enduring ideal, so it does have some.. very niche use. It’s one of the more flimsy wincons in the deck, but it’s fun, it works, and the deck generally needs a few ways to win so it isn’t screwed if just one wincon is out of reach

Magistrates scepter is op in a proliferate deck because if you are proliferating 3 times each turn then you get infinite extra turns if you play it right (you will run out of dice before you run out of cards)

You play Magistrate's Scepter in a proliferate deck. DUH

I think it's funny that Final Fortune was one of the best Time Walks, but Chance For Glory is on here because it was 'too narrow to expect to win with one extra turn.' Interesting!

I'm honestly surprised that Last Chance and Final Fortune didn't make this list since they're basically Chance for Glory but worse. They do have an easier casting cost, but that doesn't make up for not giving your creatures Indestructible.

Stitch in Time is actually my win-con in my thousand year storm burn deck. It storms off with cheap cantrips and then casts stitch in time several times in a row to ensure extra turns. It's the best extra turn spell for me in this case because less mana = more spells casted before it

This really says a lot about how strong extra turns are if these are the worst cards that do it. Most powerful worst list possible for sure.

Can someone explain why Chance for Glory (1RW) is bad, while Final Fortune (RR) is number four on this channel's Best Time Walks list? They have pretty similar effects: Time walk, then lose at the end of the extra turn. And Chance for Glory adds indestructible. Someone please explain the logic.

A note on Card #1: (Won't say the name b/c spoilers), If I have to take multiple attempts to just READ the card to figure out what it actually does, that's pretty good indicator that it's a bad card even of itself.

Wormfang is part of an infinite turn combo I side-boarded into my Torpor Orb deck, along with Mimic Vat

Oh man, somebody doesn't play commander