I have a massive NYC MTH/Lionel collection and I NEVER knew why MTH stopped putting the "M" logo on the subway cars. Thanks for sharing, and keep these vids coming.
So basically the MTA was trying to stop MTH from showing the bad times they had. That's like denying history... Hope they could get the license back one day
I often rode these trains as a kid back in those days. My favorite sound is not here! The rapid "dit-dit-dit-dit"pumping sounds of Westinghouse air compressors that build up air pressure for the braking system. Look at RU-vid vid "Elevated Stations NYC 1980 pt1 of 3". The pumping sound starts at the 45-second mark.
Tech And Transit Hello Tech. I looked for it and, sad to say, it was yanked after having been up for such a long time. Here's the message that I got: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Cinema Conservancy, Inc."
Hey Zach its Anton we met at the train show today. What camera do you use and can you please give me the web site to upgrade the R21 to proto sound 2.0 thank you.
the mta is still going on about the graffiti ever since the brought those white trains in service in 83 . get over it mta lost the war on graffiti , it cannot be stopped now graffiti has gone worldwide
Actually the white scheme came out in the early 80s. MTA has gotten over it because of proactive leadership. When David Gunn's took charge the maintenance forces did an excellent job of cleaning up the classic trains when the "Red Bird" anti-graffiti paint was applied on them. Policy today is that as soon as a subway car is trashed with graffiti, the maintenance forces eliminate it asap. Overall it's been working since stainless steel is easy to clean.
if they didnt care they would have let mth keep there logos. but no the transit authority took it to offence that graffiti was on a model train with there logo on it. they just dont want people knowing the rough time they had trying to keep up with all the graff and the the outrageous amout of money they waisted repainting them. few years after the finally got a better idea and put up 2 barbed wired fences at all yards.
MTA's concerned about the glorifying of graffiti bombing and encouraging taggers to repeat the trashing of trains that occurred back in those days. I remember them well and rode many a trashed subway train. A lot of teens and young adults glorified them as artistic expression. Yet for many of us that had to ride those classic trains (I was a kid then) and see the massive amount of graffiti on the trains, the stations, on the GMC Fishbowl and Flxible transit buses; we didn't feel like it was art. It was downright depressing, saddening and conveyed a "bottom of the trash barrel" feeling. In the 1950s and 60s, subway motormen and conductors were proud of their jobs and held a respectable status in the community. One of my uncles was a motorman on the #7. During the graffiti bomb period, acknowledging that you were an MTA employee was embarrassing in some conversation circles. That's just how it was. As much as I miss the classic Redbirds and dislike the new trains (mainly because of that annoying violin sound) the trains and system looks so much cleaner and better. Employees are holding their heads up again with pride.
Personally the graffiti set was kind of wack if I may say. The graffiti would look better if you had a clean set and did the graffiti yourself to achieve more realism. I think some of the cars should have been done in the white scheme too but far as I know, only the R12's came with the white scheme.
