MUSLIMS REACT to All Christian denominations explained in 12 minutes 

6:08 Hey! the same guy (Redeemed Zoomer) uploaded a video on the Trinity that I think you might like!

Thank you for your input and knowledge, it is greatly appreciated. I agree the nature of God and who he is, is beyond human comprehension. However this cannot be used to explain things such as the Trinity, as it is possible that the notion of the Trinity is based on error (as Muslims believe). There has to be other factors that prove Christianity aside from the Trinity as it would just be a matter of pure faith like someone believing in shiva or any other god/ belief unless you associate some kind of proof or rational belief with Christianity. Such as preserved prophecies or miracles for example and these factors definitely exist to a degree. That being said God being three persons include just that. Three persons. Who all are unlike each other but are all fully God. For many people this is contradictory and is illogical. Because we are saying three is one. When they are all separate by time location even capabilities and role. Again we obviously have bias but we love to look into the subject and we will continue to do so with as much as an open mind as possible. However the presence of several now deemed heretical beliefs surrounding the nature of God and development of the Trinity such as: Arianism Gnosticism Adoptionism Tritheism Patripassianism These beliefs push the notion that the idea of the Trinity by its nature is problematic and it was since the beginning. Describing the Trinity as superrational or beyond comprehension, suppresses the issue at hand rather than address it. If there is only one God but Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God well if they aren’t each other then they are in a way three beings despite us being told this isn’t the case. Beyond this, the Father seems to have a more prominent position as being the one to reach as none can go to the father except through the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus and the Holy Spirit both originated from the essence of the father. More can be said but this is why there are early now deemed heretical beliefs that the Father is a higher God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are lesser. God also becoming lesser than what he is, is also a contradiction as that falls out of Gods own definition of who he is. Jesus not knowing the hour and similar issues such as this have been explained away by him having two natures which is also a later development. We know God cannot cease to exist or become weak or not know things. A primary goal of this channel is to confront these issues and study the history of the church and nature of God and come to a more educated conclusion. I appreciate you investing your time in talking about this issue with us. We will look into this further, stay tuned. -Rohaib

@@MuslimMindsUS Very much a lay person here, with some United Methodist background and a heavy agnostic leaning, so take this with a grain of salt, but I think the Christian point of view is that we have the evidence that God did in fact choose to manifest in the flesh and live among us. Therefore there must be some way the weak-God paradox you're hung up on is a non-issue. The predominant interpretation seems to be that God basically split himself in a way that he didn't stop being divine, and retaining all the omnipotence that goes along with that. Rather, God-the-Son and God-the-Father coexisted and continue to coexist in parallel, as spiritual equals. And although the flesh/Son version of God got to experience the limitations of being human (aside from his communication with God-the-father and his miracle-working), his inevitable death could not ever really be the end of him, reinforcing the notion that there's more to being human than being just a sinful bag of bones, forever separated from God, with no hope of uniting with the infinite. In Christianity, you can have questions, doubts, and even extreme philosophical differences with things like this, and there may well be a church or denomination out there which agrees with you. Or at least, a lot of churches would regard your skepticism to be a normal part of one's spiritual journey, i.e. you are using your God-given brain as it was intended. In other words, having all the answers, a God-like complete understanding of truth, ultimate certainty, and feeling that you've got the morally correct model and opinion about anything & everything is generally *not* what faith is about, and is not what God or the church requires of you. Faith, rather, is about being uncertain: *not* knowing, and proceeding/believing anyway. It can involve asking tough questions like "how can X and Y both be true?" and "how does this not contradict that?" and "what is this even supposed to mean?". Likewise, having a solid, thoroughly rational understanding of the trinity is not a prerequisite to having faith and being Christian. As mere humans, we probably can't ever understand everything there is to know. The tone of your comments throughout the video suggests you're not comfortable with very much uncertainty. You want to believe God would not leave things ambiguous for us, that the entirety of truth must already be revealed in scripture. It's no surprise, then, that you related better to the structure and dogmatic approach of the Catholic church, and that you rejected some Protestant denominations as being too watered-down with modern values and too flexible (e.g. by focusing on Jesus's message of acceptance and brotherhood of all humankind, thus tolerating if not also accepting & ordaining non-heterosexuals). Understand that within Christianity, these same differences of opinion exist. Christians can feel the way you do, or quite the opposite. They may not feel welcome in every congregation, but they are still all Christian, if they believe in Jesus as "Lord and Savior" (notwithstanding the differences of opinion over "faith without works", baptism, transubstantiation, and so on.)

@@MuslimMindsUS Arianism came from a man who personally interpreted the Bible and wanted to create a reform in the third century AD. But since that was sucessfully rejected, it can be explained that even before Arianism, the Trinity could be easily understood. We do not question God's ways, for He is the All-knowing. 🥰💙. But I have got to admit that you are some of the only muslims that will look into other types of beliefs as openly-minded as possible. I respect you very much for that, brothers. God bless!

@@MuslimMindsUS just a side question.. if God is unlike anything in his creation according to Muslim belief, wouldn’t it make sense that he cannot be one in the same sense that humans are one? Just something to think about… I always hear the argument of it doesn’t befit God’s majesty to become a man.. I’ll liking that to say it doesn’t befit a King’s majesty to wear his servant’s uniform..but he can decide to do it anyway. Another view will be, it doesn’t befit Mark’s majesty to use be an avatar in meta? If we assume the avatars in meta are AI, will it be strange for him to create an avatar for himself to interact with his creation?? *this doesn’t fully explain the trinity but the avatar will also be Mark even if it was in meta…if mark decides to train an ai bot with his personality to control that avatar then that avatar is fully mark but totally separate from Mark.. every decision his makes in meta will be what Mark will make…

@@MuslimMindsUS - With respect to God becoming man and dying on the cross, the Christian God claims to love people, I don't recall the same being said for Islam's. If there is this difference, would it not make sense the two gods would behave different?

Glad you enjoyed the vid Scuba :) -Rohaib

Yo what's up my fellow catholic

Yes understood! For us as Muslims thought, praying and asking anyone else other than Allah/God is "shirk" which means associating others with God. And as Muslims that is forbidden. Thanks for your comment Debbie! -Hamza

@@MuslimMindsUS Hi, I know it is a long time since you posted this video, but I do want to point out that what we mean, as Catholics, when we 'pray' to Mary is to ask for her intercession. If you have read Jane Austin, many of her characters say things such as, "I pray thee tell," because the word pray simply meant ask. Now, with how many people interpret the word pray, saying that we are praying to Mary in the sense that she is a God is incorrect and is not in the teachings of the Catholic church.

so in other words, u worship her 😂 why would u pray for help from a dead woman? yall are no different than the muslims who pray and send blessings to their dead prophet lmfaooo

As a former Roman Catholic I respectfully disagree. We had prayers that we prayed TO Mary and TO the saints. Which if you actually read the bible for yourself is Idolatry. You shall have NO OTHER GODS before God. We should be praying to God ONLY. The saints and Mary are DEAD. They are in one of two places Heaven or Hell. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. I've read the bible. Purgatory is never mentioned at all. ONLY Heaven and Hell.

@@sarastankavage4261 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive

Thank you!!! :) -Hamza

I’m glad to hear you enjoyed the video Shylogik. Any video suggestions that you want to see? nice profile pic btw -Rohaib

Something benign may be found disrespectful and hateful to some and vice versa. Whats important is whether it’s true or not

@@nosoreel5556 what do you mean by that?? Please be sure to subscribe, would help out our channel!! -Hamza

@@nosoreel5556 What’s important is that your intentions are pure, if your genuinely asking question, their should be nothing wrong, sometime people ask questions not really asking more like mocking, like “really you believe in blank?”

Hey Haíra, thanks for the comment! So from your explanation, you believe it’s up to the Bible to interpret itself, very interesting viewpoint! Yes there are indeed many differing denominations, it’ll take a while for me or Rohaib to get a good grasp on them all 😅. Glad you decided to watch and leave feedback, I hope you subscribe, more videos coming! -Hamza

​​@@MuslimMindsUSfor the record, he is correct, most Christians of all denominations except that each other are saved. A Catholic May disagree very much with a baptist, but both are likely to believe that the other is saved. Unfair to consider these groups denominations in the traditional sense, these are not enemies of one another and they do not hate one another, the division is often very cultural and based on secondary issues which the Bible isn't obvious about. Most of the differences between the denominations are surrounding politics- how should the church be structured? Should we have bishops, then you are Episcopalian. Should we have elders? Then you are a presbyterian. Should we have priests? Then you are Catholic or orthodox, should we have pastors and ministers instead of priests? Then you are Protestants. If we're not talking about the politics of the church denomination, then we're talking about mostly secondary questions, like soteriology (how are we saved). Calvinists believe that Free Will is an illusion and that we cannot choose to follow christ, that Christ has to force us to choose him first, while Baptists and pretty much everyone else agrees we have free will. Some think we should only have old music, some think we should have modern music, some think we should have no music at all(only Acapella). Some say we should all be dressed in suits and dresses, while most agree that jeans and t-shirts are totally acceptable. As you can see, most of these disagreements don't particularly matter in the long run. We have a separation because people prefer to be amongst people they are more similar to, however it is not uncommon for a presbyterian to join a Baptist church or a Baptist to join an Anglican church for a season. A long time ago, people used to introduce their religion by which denomination they were, nowadays most people agree to just call themselves Christian. We will always have our disagreements and debate about them, but most Christians today find it unhelpful to be angry at one another, considering we should believe that we are going to heaven together.

Hey Endygonewild, I apologize for the offense in my statement, I did not intend on disrespecting. I chose my words casually and did not take into consideration the sanctity of the topic and was too casual. As for what I meant, these theologians had to hammer out the doctrine of the Trinity for a good few centuries, so even the Trinity itself is not as clear as one may claim it is. Even the nature of Christ was debated because of the contradictory passages. I agree that what supports the divinity of Christ is tradition. But in a Trinitarian sense on Jesus being equal to the father, this is not clear from a non Christian reading of the New Testament. We will look into the channel you recommended. -Rohaib

We aren’t lost tho 🙃

@@MuslimMindsUS yeah ok

Feel better about yourself now?

@@MrAndyhdz I feel great!

Trinity is a scam and it's dying faster than any endangered species. Even a kid knows who is really lost 😂

Hello Watermellish! Please be sure to subscribe for more videos coming out! Yes, we understand Catholics in their view dont "worship". However for us as Muslims, kneeling in front of a statute and asking for intercession from it is worshipping in our eyes, its setting up partners with God, which is a major sin in Islam. Thats why we as Muslims disagree with it, although we respect Catholics very much for their other practices. Hope that makes sense! -Hamza

​@@MuslimMindsUS Haha, Protestants often critisize Catholics for the same reason. Anyways, major respect to you guys.

@@watermellish Lol, appreciate it!

@@MuslimMindsUS What about circling the ka'aba?

As a former Roman Catholic I respectfully disagree. We had prayers that we prayed TO Mary and TO the saints. Which if you actually read the bible for yourself is Idolatry. You shall have NO OTHER GODS before God. We should be praying to God ONLY. The saints and Mary are DEAD. They are in one of two places Heaven or Hell. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. I've read the bible. Purgatory is never mentioned at all. ONLY Heaven and Hell.

Hey Pickguard1, thanks for the information! Very interesting… it is very different from Islamic belief for sure, still need to look more into the Eucharist and it’s history for sure, it does seem similar to pagan practices as you said but we are open to new info 😃 -Hamza

@@MuslimMindsUS Also, Catholics and Lutherans say that it really is God because that's what Christ narrated in the Bible - see John 6. As they say "Is means 'Is'". The metaphorical interpretation didn't really exist until the 1800s. You maybe could look up the difference between "substance" and "accidents", there are some good videos out there on this topic. The "eating of God" has to do with the passover lamb, which takes away sins - according to Jewish tradition. To really understand Christianity you have to have a good background on the messianic prophecies in Judaism.

​@@kingmarlin5043"the metaphor didn't exist until" incorrect, it was always viewed as metaphorical, but leading to a "spiritual presence", rather than the presence of the son. Keep in mind your view was only one of many within the catholic church UNTIL the reformation happened. Catholics were losing popularity and had to make themselves distinct, that's when they changed a bunch of beliefs from "maybe this, maybe that" to "if you don't believe this you're a heretic fit for the fire". So no, the metaphorical view of communion is not from 1800, that's ridiculous.

Hey, we completely understand y’all’s viewpoint on that. It’s just our Muslim viewpoint that asking anyone other than god for anything is considered Shirk, the biggest sin in Islam. For example, we don’t ask our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) for anything, only God. So that’s why we have that viewpoint, hope it makes sense. Full respect to all our Christian brothers and sisters. -Hamza

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I’m a little confused as to how this works. Granted, I am not a Catholic, nor am I a Muslim, I am a Protestant. But even so, I feel like something has to be not quite right here. From what I know, Shirk is Islam’s interpretation of idolatry. Generally, Christians view idolatry as attempting to use things which are not god to fill the hole left by stepping away from him. As I understand it, in Islam, Shirk is a very literal interpretation of this, and the presupposition is that when we commit idolatry, we not only subconsciously are trying to replace god’s divine nature, but we literally begin ascribing godlike attributes to things that are not god. That’s why Shirk can encompass both idolatry and polytheism, whereas in Christianity, usually those are thought of as separate problems. (Though, I think there’s a real Pearl of wisdom which I believe has it’s roots in Judaism, that idolatry is the root of all sin, as every time we sin, we by definition are putting something inappropriate above god. My pastor told me this once, and I find it a very interesting way to think about things) Back to the topic at hand. As I understand it (and keep in mind this is my view as an outsider) Catholics, when they pray to saints, aren’t asking for a spiritual grant. It’s more of a request for knowledge or guidance. Surely Islam does not forbid students to ask for wisdom from teachers or experts? I think this “teacher pupil” relationship is what Catholics are talking about. It just so happens that these experts are no longer alive on earth. Not so much a prayer to grant spiritual clarity, but rather a conversation to ask how to attain it. So while I understand that asking mortals, however pious, for things that are only God’s to give, I don’t think that’s what Catholics are doing when they pray to the saints. I really enjoy these videos. I think that it’s important, particularly in the modern west, for people of Abrahamic faiths to find common ground. While there are obviously huge, fundamentally insurmountable theological differences between us, there are also enough shared commonalities to build a shared moral framework, one that recognizes the shortcomings of the civilization around us. In talking with muslims, I realize that while our views about the nature of God are very different, often our views about the sorts of good people he wants us to be are the same. I hope we can continue to understand each other more, not just so that we can experience opinions that differ, but so that we feel comfortable when we find those opinions that do not differ. Peace be with you both!

muslims send blessings to muhammad when they pray. they usually always involve him in their prayers. the catholics aren't any better because they are praying to dead people.

As a former Roman Catholic I respectfully disagree. We had prayers that we prayed TO Mary and TO the saints. Which if you actually read the bible for yourself is Idolatry. You shall have NO OTHER GODS before God. We should be praying to God ONLY. The saints and Mary are DEAD. They are in one of two places Heaven or Hell. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. I've read the bible. Purgatory is never mentioned at all. ONLY Heaven and Hell.

Hey Haíra, this was an interesting breakdown that other Protestant friends of mine have provided. I think this is more representative of the Christian faith then lots of other Protestant beliefs out there. Not excluding the importance of works but not fully relying on it. Thanks for your input! -Rohaib

@@MuslimMindsUS I think that too. For me, real historical Christianity is about that. Following God's revelation of Bible, as it is his written word. The scripture also puts the church, not as an institution, but as a gathering of believers. Like one body, Christ is the head and we are the members, voluntarily submitted to his leadership.

@@haira-hcomsomderobg4773 you explained the gospel so well this is true Christianity ❤️❤️❤️❤️

Thank you Subhana!!

Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say, “let the Lord rescue him.(R) Let him deliver him,(S) since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤ Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself. Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs. More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️‍🔥❤♥️

Everything I wrote really happened to me another time is I had just woken up and before my eyes like a lens or movie against my eyes wide awake I saw black women vacuuming and cleaning in a room and then it faded off and shortly after my friend from Nigeria messaged me about sisters he had never told me before and whose aunt was mistreating them and forcing them to work at a hotel and he had never shared this knowledge before and so we contacted child services, another time a woman I never met before God told me to tell them their mammogram would go well I didn't even know what a mammogram was and they cried and told me they had just gotten one and then later the results came back negative, so many other times too Jesus is alive and real and loves you he wants to bring you from spiritual death to life his life and spiritually adopt you he loves you so much he had always seen you and loved you I pray you recieve his forgiveness and love and freedom from condemnation the world is already condemned and he came to set you free! his arms are wide open! You can recieve him now wherever you are and he'll never reject you or abandon you when you are his! He gave his life up for you and to recieve you he is the truth and the real deal! Jesus bless you! He wants you to know him! He'll never force it he wants you to freely come to him he desires you to enter a loving relationship with him and give you peace! 🙏✝️❤ If you desire to email me you can at mileslmog@outlook.com but you don't need to go through anyone Jesus is there already beside you waiting for you! May you accept his love and forgiveness and a new life and new future! ❤✝️❤️

Thanks for the clarification on “faith alone” and the pointing out the similarities of predestination with the Arminian position, very interesting to learn! -Hamza

Yeah, I grew up Baptist, and simply put faith is necessary and works just show that your faith is true. Good works are works of the Holy Spirit in us guiding us. Salvation of the soul and afterlife have less to do with God works in the sense that heaven is not meritable. And that's a pretty big core in Baptist theology, one can't earn salvation but their good deeds can be seen as a reflection of their salvation.. It's the result of faith and not an absolute requirement. Of course this becomes a pretty big issue when talking about murder and more serious sins against humanity where at that point you just hope the murderer doesn't sincerely believe and only says he does for fear of the afterlife and not because of Jesus dying for the sins of humanity. It's supposed to be pretty altruistic of Jesus and very humble of you to say you're unworthy of heaven although it does carry Calvinistic ideas of self-hatred in a slightly more palatable way. 😂 We, in essence, do good for the sake of good, God, humanity, and integrity. And never salvation. Salvation is separate from good works so that we don't do good works out insincerity and fear and the self-benefit but for God and humanity, and in a sense for the self as well since integrity is very internal.

You sound like a theologian in This comment ​@@MuslimMindsUS

what's wrong with comparing?

Glad you are interested in our vids Nicholas. We will definitely make more Islamic centered videos as well as reactions to Christian belief. We have a couple things in the works so stay tuned. -Rohaib

Hey DanteXKV we really appreciate this generous comment! May God bless you and us! -Rohaib

@@MuslimMindsUS I appreciate both of your time,generosity,vulnerability to be open-minded to the other Abrahamic Religions. Been binging and watching your videos since this one 🙏🏾keep informing us many more people need to be informed especially In the U.S

@@MuslimMindsUS I appreciate both of your time,generosity,vulnerability to be open-minded to the other Abrahamic Religions. Been binging and watching your videos since this one 🙏🏾keep informing us many more people need to be informed especially In the U.S

Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say, “let the Lord rescue him.(R) Let him deliver him,(S) since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤ Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself. Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs. More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️‍🔥❤♥️

Everything I wrote really happened to me another time is I had just woken up and before my eyes like a lens or movie against my eyes wide awake I saw black women vacuuming and cleaning in a room and then it faded off and shortly after my friend from Nigeria messaged me about sisters he had never told me before and whose aunt was mistreating them and forcing them to work at a hotel and he had never shared this knowledge before and so we contacted child services, another time a woman I never met before God told me to tell them their mammogram would go well I didn't even know what a mammogram was and they cried and told me they had just gotten one and then later the results came back negative, so many other times too Jesus is alive and real and loves you he wants to bring you from spiritual death to life his life and spiritually adopt you he loves you so much he had always seen you and loved you I pray you recieve his forgiveness and love and freedom from condemnation the world is already condemned and he came to set you free! his arms are wide open! You can recieve him now wherever you are and he'll never reject you or abandon you when you are his! He gave his life up for you and to recieve you he is the truth and the real deal! Jesus bless you! He wants you to know him! He'll never force it he wants you to freely come to him he desires you to enter a loving relationship with him and give you peace! 🙏✝️❤ If you desire to email me you can at mileslmog@outlook.com but you don't need to go through anyone Jesus is there already beside you waiting for you! May you accept his love and forgiveness and a new life and new future! ❤✝️❤️

Thanks for the comment Claude! Interesting view point… We will definitely be reacting to a video on the Trinity soon so be sure to subscribe! -Hamza

We’ll said 🙌

That's the heresy of partialism. Not my opinion, not a Christian, but the official stance is that what you just described is enough to be thrown out of the church (for many denominations)

​@@captainpandabear1422Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say, “let the Lord rescue him.(R) Let him deliver him,(S) since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤ Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself. Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs. More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️‍🔥❤♥️

​@captainpandabear1422 Everything I wrote really happened to me another time is I had just woken up and before my eyes like a lens or movie against my eyes wide awake I saw black women vacuuming and cleaning in a room and then it faded off and shortly after my friend from Nigeria messaged me about sisters he had never told me before and whose aunt was mistreating them and forcing them to work at a hotel and he had never shared this knowledge before and so we contacted child services, another time a woman I never met before God told me to tell them their mammogram would go well I didn't even know what a mammogram was and they cried and told me they had just gotten one and then later the results came back negative, so many other times too Jesus is alive and real and loves you he wants to bring you from spiritual death to life his life and spiritually adopt you he loves you so much he had always seen you and loved you I pray you recieve his forgiveness and love and freedom from condemnation the world is already condemned and he came to set you free! his arms are wide open! You can recieve him now wherever you are and he'll never reject you or abandon you when you are his! He gave his life up for you and to recieve you he is the truth and the real deal! Jesus bless you! He wants you to know him! He'll never force it he wants you to freely come to him he desires you to enter a loving relationship with him and give you peace! 🙏✝️❤ If you desire to email me you can at mileslmog@outlook.com but you don't need to go through anyone Jesus is there already beside you waiting for you! May you accept his love and forgiveness and a new life and new future! ❤✝️❤️

Didn’t know that, thanks for the info Silvia -Rohaib

Nice to know haha! Please subscribe to our channel so we can put out more content!! -Hamza

Yes I think I remember them being called “indulgences” right? So with that fact you shared, are you saying that the Protestant reformation and the denominations that come from them are in a way “less valid” than maybe the earlier denominations? Since indulgences seemed weird when I learned about it. Looking forward to your response Knight of BlackFyre!

@@MuslimMindsUS yeah they were called indulgences if I'm remembering right. I wouldn't say they were less valid, one of Luther's points was that the Bible should be readable to anyone and not just the Priests and preachers that were taught Latin to read it. Before the reformation the only Christians that could read the Bible were the Church and maybe the Nobility/royalty. At the very least the reformation has made it so anyone could read the Bible. And, and I might be wrong on this as it's been a long while since I've even thought about it, the Popes did launch some crusades against other sects of Christiany such as the Cathars. For the life of me I can't remember anything about the Cathars besides that they had very little in common with Catholicism. Anglicanism I would say is less valid for the fact that it was created by Henry the 8th as the result that the pope wouldn't allow a annulment of Henry's first marriage and that his mistress and next wife was a protestant so Henry made his own church. I apologize if this wasn't coherent it's almost midnight and I'm tired.

@@knightofblackfyre7950 Wow, very interesting information, we never knew this!! Reformationists starting the Bible being able to be read by everyone is definitely a good thing in our eyes.

Wrong. Indulgences were a way of "donating" money to the church to lessen your time in purgatory. According to Catholic believe, you don't enter heaven immediately, if you didn't confess and repent for your venial sins. You go through a purifying process that takes place in purgatory to cleanse your soul before entering heaven. The length of this purification process is dependant on the amount and gravity of the sins commited. But being in purgatory means that you are already destined for heaven. The church didn't say that you can commit mortal sins without repenting and still get to heaven even when buying indulgences. That being said, I'm pretty sure the church admitted that the selling of indulgences was wrong and stemmed from corruption, but it isn't anywhere as bad as you make it seem.

@@nova-fk8dh that wasn't how it was taught to me but granted I grew up Baptist. I was going off what I remembered so i apologized if I got indulgences wrong. I wasn't aware of the purgatory part so thank you for that information.

at this point I know more about Thomas Aquinas than my family 😂

Thanks Bernardo for correcting Rohaib, I’m sure he appreciates your input 😁😉

As a former Roman Catholic I respectfully disagree. We had prayers that we prayed TO Mary and TO the saints. Which if you actually read the bible for yourself is Idolatry. You shall have NO OTHER GODS before God. We should be praying to God ONLY. The saints and Mary are DEAD. They are in one of two places Heaven or Hell. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. I've read the bible. Purgatory is never mentioned at all. ONLY Heaven and Hell.

@@sarastankavage4261 please show me prayers that we pray to saints please. And if you think we pray to saints and Mary, then you were never a serious catholic in the first place.

Appreciate the kind words Caleb, I will try and look into that book sometime soon. Please be sure to subscribe to the channel, will really help us grow! -Hamza

James actually says nothing about dead faith not being saving faith. That's a common misinterpretation, but you are thinking of the word justification. Justification in this context in James does not refer to being justified in the eyes of the lord, but rather in the sense of justifying an argument. You justify your faith by your actions, if you do not act question then how can you justify saying you are saved? It is less that if you do work then you are saved, it is more that if you are saved then you will do work.

Hey Jacob, we actually reacted to that video, check it out here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-88seBpWDDaU.html Thanks! -Hamza

Hey Nova, thanks for watching and sharing feedback! Like mentioned in the video, we are here to learn, not criticize other religions or views, so we appreciate you pointing that out! That sounds interesting, we will definitely check it out and get that video out soon, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss it!

@@MuslimMindsUS I'm already subscribed hahaha, looking forward to the video!

Hey Thomas, we reacted to the Trinity explained in 5 minutes, around the 10 minute mark we learned that this belief is heretical and called "partialism". ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-88seBpWDDaU.html Let me know what you think... Thanks for the comment! -Hamza

I mean "logic" in the sense that A=A, if you say A=B then it suddenly seems you're talking A≠A. Maybe because Early Christians were just very good at dialetics and not very good at logic. Or the reverse. Idk anyway.

Hey IceBlu, appreciate the info on Church history! More content to come, please be sure to subscribe, will help out our channel a lot! -Hamza

In our Nicene creed, we say Christ was begotten, not made, and since this is a 1800 year old Creed this point about how can God make himself must be a very old one.

Glad you enjoyed the video Renlamo! -Rohaib

Thank you for the wonderful comment Paul, stay tuned for more academic content! We really appreciate viewers such as yourself. -Rohaib

Appreciate it! Glad you enjoy our videos! -Hamza

My name is Malach, if you have any questions about this or God in general I invite you to ask me.

Thanks for the comment Malach!! Glad to have you here on our channel 😁 -Hamza

Seem like I forgot to ad indicators of trinity in the bible. Here are some from the top of my head Gen,1.26; 3,22; 11,7. If you dont understand how these are indicators to trinity, then feel free to tell me.

Answer to 17:15 is Romans 4:5 or basically the whole chapter

Thanks Hamza for the feedback 🙂

Sure is ain’t it 😃

Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say, “let the Lord rescue him.(R) Let him deliver him,(S) since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤ Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself. Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs. More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️‍🔥❤♥️

Hey kv, why do Catholics believe Peter is the most flawed of the apostles? Based of the Bible? Thanks, make sure to subscribe so we can put out more videos!! :) -Hamza

Hey Joseph, appreciate your explanation! We actually did the Trinity video by redeemed zoomer, please check it out. Also please be sure to subscribe, would really help us out! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-88seBpWDDaU.html -Hamza

Hey Martin, thanks for the explanation!! Well, for Muslim we simply believe in God/Allah and nothing else, just plain monotheism. I understand that Christian’s also believe in “monotheism” as y’all would say but in the form of the Trinity. But for us it’s difficult since monotheism in Islam makes rational sense, but as you said, you have to accept the Trinity maybe “doesn’t make sense”… that’s what it seems from what I read from your comment and other explanations so far. Interesting to jeer of your religious journey Martin and appreciate the comment!! 😁 -Hamza

@@MuslimMindsUS From another catholic, that´s it exactly! It does not make rational sense, we will never be able to grasp it. However, this is not a weakness in the theological theory, because it does not claim to be completely rational, and sometimes relies on pure faith in order to believe truths beyond our understanding. For me, it´s a beautiful recognition of our limitations as humans as compared to God. It´s a claim that by faith only in Him we accept His essence, our flawed reason is not enough. As you put it, it is quite literally believing 3=1, if God claims it, or there existing a square circle. On this matter, we detach ourselves from logic. After all, it may be incomplete or deficient in ways logic itself cannot grasp (for a two-dimensional being, for example, a sphere is an impossible shape). All three persons are God, and God is one. In that sense, you can also see how the claim is truly, irrationally, strictly monotheistic. On the matter of Himself, we humble ourselves by completely giving up the best method of knowing we have, reason, which pales in comparison to His greatness. Hope that makes sense. They key takeaway is that the Trinity indeed doesn´t make sense, and that is what makes it so beautiful.

This explanation borders on partislism which is heresy

You mentioned 3 Gods

Hey Aaron, thanks for sharing your experience as being a Catholic! Looks like the way you worship is extremely similar to Islam 🙂 Please subscribe if you haven’t, would really help our channel. -Hamza

Will do! 😀

Hey Hardlo, thanks for the comment! In our Trinity explained reaction video, the guy went over who explaining the trinity as a 3 leaf clover is a false idea... check it out and maybe leave a comment over there too. Happy to have you with us, please subscribe for more videos! -Hamza

@@MuslimMindsUS yeah I'm quite aware it's not the same but I if I remember correctly that's how they would teach it to new converts way back in the day, as a way to introduce it to them. This way pagans didn't think that there were three gods.

Hi Kvothe, thanks for your comment. The problem with describing the Trinity like this is that this analogy would be guilty of partialism which is a heresy, as one body would be made up of these separate parts such as body, mind, and soul. But on their own they are not fully human. The Trinity teaches that Jesus the father and the Spirit are all fully God. So the difference is substantial with this example and cannot apply. -Rohaib

Hello Michael, I see what you mean. However the Trinity is supposed to be co-equal in all aspects, so the body mind and spirit example does not make sense, they are not equal at all. Also you could say the spirit came first. The example isn’t fully equating…. Thanks! -Hamza

He has a point. No analogy is perfect for the Trinity.

From our understanding, when using analogies it’s almost impossible to avoid heretical comparisons when doing so. -Rohaib

Hey TomorrowWeLive, appreciate your insights! I believe the Birmingham manuscript was recording just in 2015 and confirmed the range from exactly the life of Muhammad (pbuh) I’m not the most educated on the topic but I know hundreds, maybe thousands of people had the Quran memorized at that time. Very noble companions who were known for their memorization of the Quran recorded it and cross examined each other so there was so no differences. From there, the other scripts were burned to reduce any future confusion, and burning the Quran is the proper way of disposing of it. I don’t see why the “fragments” of things would be a problem as they just wrote it down in whatever they could, again just off the top of my head but you could imagine paper/parchment possibly would be hard to get in Arabia or expensive. Anyways this is just from my low understanding! We will in the future maybe do a reaction vid on this topic, if you have any reaction suggestions yourself let us know! Thanks for the feedback! -Hamza

This is a such a good way to put it, I just made a comment 3x as long as this but this sums it up kinda well, and adds some valid points as well!

@@SpectreNDN Thank you so much.

Appreciate your description. I don't think that makes sense since any human has different roles but they will always remain a single person. All 3 of the Trinity as taught as separate persons, all independent of each other, but also co-existing. So from my outside view it does make really equate. Thank you and hope you subscribe, would really help us out! -Hamza

Ahh okay, thanks for the insight. Yes if we saw an Islamic video like that we would be thrown off as well 😅 -Hamza

Hey BN13. Thanks is for sharing your story from baptist to agnostic while still believing in God. Very glad to have you comment on the video! -Hamza

Also, with "by faith alone," my understanding of this, and what my church taught, being a sect that placed no value on rituals, was that if you died having never been a Christian for example, and thus never did any good works, but you repented at the last moment of your life, you would still be saved because ultimately, your salvation comes "by faith alone." Now yes, if you claim to be a Christian earlier in life, then you should live what you believe. "By faith alone" is not an excuse to knowingly live a life of sin because you think you're off the hook. However, each denomination differs with what it believes to be good works. Some churches are more involved in charity, while others encourage missionary work. Our church most prioritized your personal relationship with God. Your expression of this didn't even have to include going to church if that wasn't for you. The good works were more in how you treated others and tried to live your life as Christ instructed. The reason why some sects got so far away from any sort of ritual, and stressed "by faith alone" so heavily, was they saw in other sects, especially with catholics, an over importance on rituals to the point where faith didn't even seem to factor in. They didn't believe you could buy your way into heaven for instance, or that a priest could absolve you from sin, or that baptism or doing the eucharist would guarantee salvation. These were all just expressions of faith, not something to substitute for it. They also saw many people attending church as if only to show God "look at me! I got to church! Therefore I'm a good Christian." While never really living a Christian life. Like they were just doing the ritual to make sure they were off the hook. The book of Matthew even states that people like this don't get it, and salvation will come far more easily to the one who says the Lord's prayer alone at night in their closet and means it.

Hey Danoof! Okay cool, maybe we will end up reacting to it! Thanks -Hamza

Hello Micheller1210, thanks for sharing the analogy! You mentioned that the Holy Spirit makes up for the weakness of the Flesh, which is the Son… If the Son is weak then the Trinity concept doesn’t exactly make sense since we’ve learned that all parts of the Trinity are co equal AND all powerful independent from each other… Not trying to come off rude at all, just from what we learned from this video and the “Trinity explained” video on our channel, your analogy doesn’t make 100% sense? Let me know your thoughts as well if I’m incorrect! -Hamza

Hey Micheller this is a pretty good example, the problem is that the father son and Holy Spirit according to the agreed interpretation of the Trinity are fully God. Meaning the vessels themselves have to equal the ocean with all its properties, size, and characteristics, again due to the Trinitarian doctrine claiming that each three heads of the Trinity are all fully God. Another issue is the father son and spirit are not the same as each other and have different characteristics so the three vessels of water would have to differ. -Rohaib

It's not about size, it's the Authority , however like I said it's an analogy..... It's a very confusing, but then it's not, lol have to just trust and pray for a better understanding.😅 🙏🏼 Thanks 😊

​@@MuslimMindsUS About the Flesh I was talking about Mankind We have weaknesses and we ask The Holy Spirit to infill us in the Name of Jesus . And no I didn't take what you were saying as rude You were just asking about clarification .... Also There are some Christian that would say oneness and not the trinity, I myself don't get caught up in linguistic wars 😮😂

See Micheal Heiser for more OT scholarship. Our knowledge of the manuscripts of Christianity is no secret all of them from the earliest gospel which would be Mark to the last we have the closest thing to the originals and they are closer to the time of the person they talk about than any figure in ancient history. We have countless documents and these variations that internet atheist out in Narnia (internet) would have you believe is a downside actually add the the legitimacy of the Gospel because the only "changes" are literary ones that do not ultimately change the meaning of the verses, and even in cases were words may be wrong is only because the closest words meanings have changed in society. Biggest example is: "I greate Evil" well that is a translation error only because evil now has a different meaning it should be "I create calamity"