MUST WATCH Before Buying!! Mirage Drive Vs Pedal Drives

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After fishing extensively in both of these kayaks for 3 years, I felt it was time to share my thoughts on the Hobie Mirage Drive versus pedal drive kayak systems, particularly the Native Watercraft Slayer Propel drive. Now I absolutely loved fishing both kayaks. I'd buy each one of these again. I'd definitely buy native watercraft titan if I wanted a solid reservoir rig, I could outfit with motors. For tournament fishing the Hobie definitely excels as it can deal with more bodies of water and vegetation situations. Pedals drives performance in grass and pads is poor, and if you think that doesnt matter then by all means give it a try. Pedal drives excel when fishing docks, laydowns, and maintaining boat position in wind. I also use to say that with pedal drive kayaks you can fish the way you want, and this really comes from being able to control your kayak in the wind and position the kayak in a way that makes casting easier.....also pedal drives give you breaks and hands free...and that simply cannot be beat!
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@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 4 года назад

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@JSabh 3 месяца назад

I carry both drives. Fin drive for open water, prop for fishing. Yeah, its expensive but its cheaper than a bass boat and it fits in the truck. If you think about it, we waste way more money on nonsense that doesn't even serve our interest beyond a moment. For the ease and fun of it, I just bit the bullet and Im glad I did. Amazon has financing too, bought my pedal drive on payments and enjoyed it all the while paying it off and now. Mkney shouldn't stop folks from living the best moments on a lake or river. We don't live forever, but these memories live on and are priceless.

@tkftombo 5 лет назад

Most of my fishing is in shallow water over grass. The grass has gotten so bad that the propeller has been rendered useless. Has a lot to do with conditions for using the drives. Sometimes I leave the Mirage drive at home due to water depth. I can repair the Mirage drive with parts. When my Propel drive cracked at the thwart tube, the entire drive had to be replaced at their "cost" of $800. I have since converted my Bluesky 360 to using the Mirage drive due to conditions where I fish. To each their own. I have used kayaks with the Mirage Drive, Propel Drive, and the Jackson drive.

@TheFishingMommy 5 лет назад

Tom Bulger wow you converted a BSB to Mirage??

@tkftombo 4 года назад

@@TheFishingMommy Yes due to where I fish. Lot of grass. My legs can't go as fast as a trolling motor. Otherwise the Jackson flex drive was fine.

@TheFishingMommy 4 года назад

Tom Bulger that’s interesting, I had no idea it was possible. (And I agree that the mirage drive is far better than a prop drive in grass).

@booobtooober 4 года назад

Two more benefits of the Mirage for me. 1) When you stop peddling the fins are feathered so almost no drag whereas propeller blades have substantial drag. 2) I like the back and forth motion of the pedals which keeps my feet lower, less lower back strain, but of course that may not bother you if you're under 60.

@garycox7839 3 года назад

Excellent points. I'm also "over 60".

@ArbitraryLifestyle 3 года назад

@@garycox7839 I'll add another, for the 360 drive at least... not only can you get into shallow water without having to remove the drive, and not only can you still pedal in shallow water to move forward or backward, but with the 360 drive I can still rotate the drive when the fins are all the way "up" against the hull to change direction. I can't remember if you can pull the reverse tab on the 180 drives while the fins are up against the hull, but I swear I remember being able to do so.

@user-fo2el6jm7n Год назад

Better for your knees as well.

@DLoh2o1 6 лет назад

Very timely and informative for me. I am down to two choices, Jackson Coosa FD and Outback. I demoed the FD this week and have concern of the noise it makes...but totally sold on the idea of tucking it away either by choice or by hitting something (hopefully straight on). Will be subscribing...very well spoken and unbiased.

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

Awesome! I loved them both in all honesty. Luckily the slayer paddled fairly well soo when needed I just lifted the drive....but the hobie platform is just better and it's lighter....way way lighter than the Titan

@wibmeister1986 6 лет назад

Does t say anything about mirage drive going through much shallower water then prop drive. That was my deciding factor. Much more versatile!! Can go through rivers and streams much easier then a prop drove. U are stuck to lakes, ponds, and oceans for prop drives. Unless it's a deep River but I love having the versatility of the Hobie mirage drive!

@aarondavis8224 4 года назад

Great video. The reverse was why I didnt buy a hobie. Theres certain situations the mirage seems great but when Im bass fishing the reverse is key. I ended up buying the Titan 12.

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 4 года назад

100% agree. Instant reverse and hands free reverse is definitely worth the money. Glad for your purchase

@widowmakericu5705 3 года назад

A lot of kayakers will tell you the prop drive requires more energy and will wear you out faster. Good review!

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 3 года назад

Very true! It does.

@mattcolver1 4 года назад

I've found my Mirage is so quiet and I'm not swinging a big paddle around like regular kayakers that I can get very close to birds on the water. They don't get spooked by the Mirage.

@johnstrand2247 5 лет назад

I have had a Native Slayer for 5 years and a Titan for more than a year. The best part about the pedal drive to me is that it gives your entire leg and hip a workout. All you have to do is slide the seat forward or back and you can alter the muscle groups that you are working, while resting the other side a bit. You can't do that with the Hobie. It is just a push push motion.

@TheFishingMommy 5 лет назад

John Strand with the mirage drive you can change the angle of the drive itself, if you feel so inclined.

@SlickCat 6 лет назад

Nothing like a great electric motor. Yes, the battery is heavy but advantages are huge.

@1965JB 3 года назад

I bought a Lithium marine battery, it’s practically weightless compared to a regular one. New technology and costs a fortune but definitely a huge weight advantage.

@sundawg5251 6 лет назад

Best mirage vs. prop drive video I've seen.

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

Thank you

@rumysuniverse 4 года назад

Sound, storage, power, fish ability are all good things to compare, but to me the most important one is Reliability. Could you speak a bit on that please.

@kCI251 8 месяцев назад

Heck, ima keep my lectric trolling motor and keep on fishing.

@georgemarnelakis3254 5 лет назад

We all get it, mirage drive is better but overseas a Hobie costs 3 times the money of any other pedal kayak! p.e. Here in Greece in order to buy a Hobie you need 3.700,00€ which is like 4 thousand $, any other pedal kayak costs around 1500$

@BluntTruth7 3 года назад

Get a trolling motor with a mount and actuator that adjust the height of the motor. Cost less is, quieter, and you can go shallower then these drives that are almost a foot under your yak.

@tubedeo 5 лет назад

Owning both a hobie and pescador pilot, the pilot prop drive has tons more power, less speed but way more power.

@davidgibson5157 2 года назад

Hey buddy haven't seen you in a long time hope you been good .what happen you stop fishing the circuit did sumbody make you mad or what happen use to love watching you videos well now I found ya again guess watch the kayak ones now .

@markiskool 3 года назад

So, if I just wanted a boat to go across the lake but not fish, which boat is better?

@brizzx32 6 лет назад

I don't think the Sound of a Propeller is gonna be a game changer. Now I am speaking more on the use of Ocean Kayaking. I have been on Charter boats where there might have been between 25 and 35 people. Large propeller pretty noisy and we would have NO problem catching fish. Now fresh water fishing might be different I don't know I don't fresh water fish though.

@doncook3690 6 лет назад

You didn’t talk about the drives function too much. For example, is a prop drive faster, more maneuverable, faster from a stopped position. How it stores in your vehicle really doesn’t matter to me. From point a to point b: which one will get you there faster, which one can maneuver easier around obstacles, which one can go the first 20 feet quickest? Than you

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

That's correct I didn't ...what you are seeking answers for are functions of kayak hull design and weight. Maneuverability is based on design and weight for instance the Titan turns better than the slayer propel...but in a Greg Blanchard video he showed how he couldn't even get thru a spot of current and needed to be towed by a hobie....I did address torque...which answers your quickest 20 ft question, but then this is all still functions of weight and hull design...not drives....storage matters to everyone...and is directly related to owning one of the drives.....the video was about the drives and not functions related to weight of the kayaker, the kayak, and the hull design...which from bass boats to kayaks all related to speed. If you dropped the mirage into a hobie revo kayak..your speeds would increase, but you sacrifice benefits of the pro angler for speed...the kayaker who can go harder longer is gonna win the race.

@sirfitz8125 6 лет назад

I could beat Hobies in my PDL drive with little effort.

@doncook3690 6 лет назад

Sir Fitz so you’re saying a prop drive is by far faster than the mirage drive?

@sirfitz8125 6 лет назад

The Old Town PDL Drive is. I use to have one. Its a 10 to 1 ratio.

@sirfitz8125 6 лет назад

the quick reverse is nice too on the peddle. Hobies are badass though....Ive had paddles, and a peddle. Any peddle will be more fun than a paddle. I sold mine and bought a solo skiff

@PAIZALFISHING 3 года назад

Great propeller...

@howabouthetruth2157 6 лет назад

GREAT video with honest information. Good job.

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

Thank you i try my best to be fair and accurate and base my reviews on years of experience

@howabouthetruth2157 6 лет назад

Monty Craig.........First off, this man did a good job on sharing the pro's & con's of the different drive systems for kayaks, pure & simple. Secondly, the Twin Troller is on a whole different level than ANY kayak with ANY design, and there's now DOZENS of TT owners who bought high-end kayaks before discovering the Twin Troller, and when they eventually did & researched them, they all SOLD those kayaks because they liked the Twin Troller much better. SEE THE OWNER REVIEWS. And they definitely are no comparison whatsoever to any piece of cheap junk Pelican type pontoon boat made in 2 pieces from plastic milk jugs. Lastly, you're only here to start trouble with me, and nothing else, you JACK ASS. Only idiotic critics like you pull this crap. Elite pro angler Marty Stone loves the TT so much, he included them in his own store. B.A.S.S. founder Ray Scott was so impressed, he bought TWO Twin Trollers. Why don't you go try starting trouble with those guys, you coward. I'm sick & tired of freaks like you & your childish games, any time, I'm right here in central Florida, you just come on down. Now GET LOST. Try acting like a real man for once in your life.

@howabouthetruth2157 6 лет назад

Monty Craig.........Don't even try to insult my intelligence with a back-peddling, sanctimonious explanation to try & come off so "innocent" & "confused. That's total BS. Your original response to me was indeed meant to start trouble, you know it, and I know it. Any grown man who can't comprehend the fact I can praise a gentleman for giving a great review/comparison between kayak drive systems, even though I own a Twin Troller? I'M NOT BUYING THAT LAME EXCUSE TO TAKE A PERSONAL STAB AT ME. "You've been researching for a year".........yet you say: "Your Twin Troller THINGY". I see right through you mister. You biased haters of the Twin Troller are all alike. So you take your sanctimonious fake explanation & BUZZ OFF.

@howabouthetruth2157 6 лет назад

Monty the TROLL........So WHY are you still running your mouth. YOU started this by butting into a favorable comment I posted on this channel, bringing up my Twin Troller out of the blue. Anyone who is truly interested in the Twin Troller has near unlimited information & videos to see, and they don't say stupid crap like you just did. "Sorry for the drama Lou"........THAT'S BS. YOU STARTED THIS.........JACK ASS. You aren't even capable of taking your medicine & walk away. You're NOT impressing anyone here with your smug tactics. I don't accept FAKE "apologies" offered from a sanctimonious angle. You were looking for trouble with me, AND YOU FOUND IT. YOU ASKED FOR IT. So for the last time, BUZZ OFF. Happy Trails........next time, maybe you'll avoid asking for trouble the way you did.

@howabouthetruth2157 6 лет назад

Chuck Peacock.........For your information, I am NOT affiliated with the company whatsoever, I never "posted a video link" anywhere here, I've never posted a video link in my life. So you need to lay off the dope.......and I happen to own a Twin Troller that I bought new, nearly 2 years ago.........JACK ASS. Furthermore, I don't give a rat's ass WHAT you think.

@tipjarteesfunksobrotha 6 лет назад

Thanks for the info, I'm getting ready to buy a pdl yak. I like the old town 10.6 pdl, the hobie revo 11 also looks good to me too... I'm on the fence 🤣

@jameslaw3740 4 года назад

I bought the das-king kratos, peddle drive and bought the motor also. Buck for buck the kratos costs less & still gets you out on the water. My fear with a Hobie is shallower water with the drive down and busting off if you come on to a rock pile to quickly. Hobie financially is more money but if your only buying it to brag about how much it cost to your buddies , well you get what you pay for , buy what you can afford and have fun out on the water.

@edwardegnor9641 2 года назад

Lol so your basis is all over les then a second or two I have a feelfree lure 13.5 and just got a Hobie outback and the outback runs circles around the lure and I do love them both but I use the Hobie as main for the past year main point weight peddle drive yaks are 50# plus heavier then Hobie

@nbe386 2 года назад

Any comments about the electric drives with spot lock

@napper1496 3 года назад

In the uk. I have £800 to spend on a sea fishing kayak. What do I buy?

@davidscott5105 Год назад

Sounds like the Hobie is the way to go A lot more benefits Why did you go to a prop drive

@randymirando4214 6 лет назад

Was that trap pond you were at when explaining the standing? I got my hotel all booked for July. Gonna try to hit a couple places down there. Great review

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

Oh that is Trussum...it's right up the road and a absolute must!

@trevorkraklow4100 3 года назад

Good info

@asil0072 3 года назад

Do they sell the mirage drive and well on it's own? Or what would be comparable that has the flip up fins and 360 rotation? Im trying to find a fin drive for my fiberglass row boat. Not more then $5-600 can you help me?

@skatedarkslide 2 года назад

Personally hard to imagine haveing to use hand to activate reverse, they will have to fix that before I consider getting a mirage

@pilot41186 3 года назад

Which one gives the most motion for effort

@Captain_Kdawg 4 года назад

Awesome point man

@jwrhynejr.6689 6 лет назад

Good info! Thanks!

@superdivemaster 3 года назад

Unfair test ... you put the phone resting against the pedal housing ... and held it in your hand for mirage ... to me ... pdl looks more responsive ...

@michaelschaller7572 4 года назад

Great cid alot of info !!!!!!!!!

@richkotas6491 4 года назад

Okay, so you place your camera right on top of the pedal drive to demonstrate the noise but then leave the camera well away from the the mirage drive. Not an equal sound comparison.

@eschdaddy 3 года назад

As far as standing, wouldn’t the mirage be better for stability? I don’t have either, so I appreciate your video! IMMensely informative!

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 3 года назад

Yup its better for standing but some have larger boats now though

@anthonydelanzo4249 4 года назад

The thing to compare is which one is better to paddle the hobie out back is a bitch to paddle out. Without the drive put in. I am stuck with this. I think this is more important

@BigShticks 4 года назад

Not as bad as trying to paddle a Hobie PA or Native Titan.

@dhuanabsa774 5 лет назад

Good info. Thanks.🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

@CrankinWithChristian 6 лет назад

Great video! I'm 18 and currently either looking to get a boat or a pedal drive kayak. Thinking pedal drives are probably more economical for me since I'll be going to college and won't have unlimited funds for registration, insurance, tags, etc. I've been looking at either the hobie outback, used 2015 hobie PA 12, or maybe the old town pdl. Do you think I'm going with the right way with getting a pedal drive kayak instead of boat with that being my situation or will I regret not getting a boat? I have an ascend kayak already but it's too much of a pain to take on large lakes or in wind. Hoping for a comment back. Thanks!

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

absolutely buddy, a pedal drive kayak will get you around the biggest bodies of water..it'll also force you to fish an area. the costs of running and owning a boat are high even if it is paid off. and you can compete for big money in kayak tournaments and the kayak tournament scene is tough!!

@CrankinWithChristian 6 лет назад

BeyondTheBounds I know my buddy who I run my channel with says that kayak tourneys are way more fun then boattourneys. Thank you for the reply and for the help!

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

They are fun and most people are having fun but still very competitive at local,state, and national levels

@CrankinWithChristian 6 лет назад

BeyondTheBounds sweet. Thank you!

@ninobagel1177 3 года назад

Ever heard of a tonneau cover or a camper shell? “I bang the door panels, yadda yadda

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 3 года назад

soo spend more money....gotcha

@crashdsnowman1 2 месяца назад

Reverse matters

@kevinrogers304 5 лет назад

I seen both today beside echother hobie wooped the jackson all day and im a jackson man

@dhuanabsa774 5 лет назад

Happy new year to all. 🎷🎼🛫🌝🌜🌛🎉🎉🎉

@amitaimedan 2 года назад

When you compare something... Please let us see what you're talking about.

@r.seaboats6666 5 лет назад

Let's be honest the only thing we all wish for is for the price to be a lot lower, it's ridiculously overpriced, so screw it I will engineer something way much cheaper..

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 5 лет назад

Nice

@HeWhoHath 5 лет назад

Roman Nes*n you and me both buddy. I could build a plywood epoxy kayak half the weight twice the quality, quarter the price.

@Will-tm5bj Год назад

@@HeWhoHath so did you build one?

@briansaben5697 6 месяцев назад

@@Will-tm5bj He did and drowned. That is why he hasn’t responded.

@FishingForQuality13 2 месяца назад

@@briansaben5697hahahHahhH

@RSchannel777 3 года назад

Well I'm all fished out from sitting here on the couch watching, so that was awesome.

@AndrewSimpson-us9lf 5 лет назад

I have and have had Hobies for a long time. I also have a Native Ultamate Propel. One day Id like to move up to a Titan or Maybe a Slayer. I will add this about the drives. The Hobie drive works best with their Kayaks that use the sail, but are higher maintenance then the propel drive. While both need maintenance from time to time, more parts will ware out sooner on the Mirage. The rods in the fins will ware through at the tips, cable tension needs adjustment, a lot more moving parts to come lose. And I just have the forward only kind. The propel is almost all internal and sealed from the elements and just need grease from time to time. About the only thing that may need replacing is the prop, and thats only if it bumps into stuff a lot. Once I got a prop driven kayak, there was no looking back as far as fishing. The Mirage still has its place for me when it comes to kayak sailing.

@Doksamauru Год назад

i caught a damn gator in a kayak and honestly it wasnt even close to pulling me in, i was on a sit-on-top kayak. but it was a small 6 foot gator

@RALgolf1953 3 года назад

The power/fatigue factor has as much to do with your kayak hull design as the torque generated by your drive. I've always wondered how each drive would perform in the other brand's hull.

@AliexFolgueira 6 лет назад

I have used my hands many times to go in reverse lol

@Weeble_Warbles 5 лет назад

I should have started researching months ago. I only confuse myself more and more with every video I watch.

@behindyouroutdooradventures 6 лет назад

Too bad you haven't had exposure to the other drives. The Wilderness drive is on par with the Mirage IMO. A lot of the issues you have with the Propel are not there with the Helix.. quick raise, quiet, easy storage etc.. nice to see someone not saying Hobie is the end all be all.

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

Thanks man and i agree...i always try to keep it fair despite how native treated as prostaff. Both yaks are solid i loved hobie more but seriously missed reverse...ill give the wildy a try

@behindyouroutdooradventures 6 лет назад

BeyondTheBounds I fished a salmon derby last fall with a bunch of Hobie guys, a guy in a propel and a bunch of Radars. The quick reverse of the prop drive was awesome when you would hook up and need to get out of the mix..

@whisperingdeath308 5 лет назад

That's a million times quiter than an outboard motor....🙄

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

Hope this helps with making a tough decision! I've fished both and really loved fishing both. I'd buy either one again.

@visualkeirockstar 6 лет назад

I don't get why every pedal kayak has to be so expensive. You can throw a trolling motor for cheaper.

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

I might try that with my older yak.

@chickenguru4 6 лет назад

If cost is an issue just buy yourself a jonboat and trolling motor.

@visualkeirockstar 6 лет назад

chickenguru but then there is registration, towing, and then boat fee is more expensive.

@FishinNStuff 6 лет назад

visualkeirockstar you still have to register your kayak with a trolling motor plus you have batteries to charge and die , plus my hobbies faster than a 45lb thrust trolling motor I've raced my friends

@HobieWanKenobi 6 лет назад

The Mirage drive is so nice. I love fishing for fall smallmouth and not have to worry about wind. I always think of it as wireless headphones, you don't know how bad you have it with wired headphones until you use wireless ones.

@dhuanabsa774 5 лет назад

1st Quarter 2019 will try hard to purchase my Hobie pedal kayak. Touch wood.✏

@sprungeredthesnook3892 6 лет назад

And now you put a commercial instead of talking??? Way to fuck it up

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

You are welcome...to pay me

@walt4690 4 года назад

I think the word you were looking for was thrust, not power

@Larry77777 6 лет назад

Hey Lou: Nicely compared; your video will definitely inform consumers. Ironically, most are probably watching AFTER buying.

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

Thanks!

@WVhillDweller 3 года назад

I haven't bought yet and im researching which one i should get.

@atanasdionisiev3031 3 года назад

You have to know the price difference between the propelled system and the other one. I just bought one and it was 500 euros cheaper. Of course on discount but haven't seen the others on reasonable discount yet here in Europe. They are superior over the propelled so they remain at higher price point.

@markflo8412 4 года назад

Hobie 360!

@ReyBanYAHUAH 3 года назад

Always remember to repent of your sins (sin is transgression of YAHUAH’S LAW: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy) And Have Belief On YAHUSHA HAMASHYACH. HE Died and Rose three days later so that you can be forgiven of your sins! HE Loves you! Come to HIM!

@MrElvisr27 3 года назад

You get a dislike for having a click bait title. Next time used an Oldtown motor vs the fragile, sinkable, overpriced, slower than oldtown motor. You said "different pedal drives" you only compared it to one .....lol for you misleading typical gay tittle made by a typical gay hobie owner...uhggg sooo typical. You have no skin in the game because you are bias. I suggest you see the "MDLR channel and learn how to accurately compare two kayaks.

@FishingForQuality13 2 месяца назад

Huge help brother but I would like to know has your opinion changed and WHAT DO U PREFER ,ur preference is important to me.Thanku for this really man that backwards deal seems to be very important .I'm a first time buyer.My question to u is this .What do u think about the kayaks u can split in half ???

@mckmh07167 6 лет назад

Great break down of the drives. I can’t wait to get a pedal drive, but I need to catch more fish before I can justify it.

@jimmyseaborn8521 3 месяца назад

Yes this did help some but how can you talk about this for 15 minutes without even one image of the mirage drive. For a COMPARISON, it helps to see both.

@joey-cn6mt 8 месяцев назад

I'm building a 15' cat. What do you think about peddle power are boat?? I'm thinking with two 48" props with a big pitch low RPMs it would push a small boat. Do you think it will work??

@josbinyoface6276 Год назад

It’s just another option, Some like one some like the other and some like both. I tell you what though both are better than paddling down whatever path you’re taking.🤷🏽‍♂️

@rodcar2166 3 года назад

Yup hands free reverse. Enough said. Whether Stowing In The trunk, truck bed or whatever, I'd sacrifice that for on the water action any day. Oh and I can drop my pedal drive in the water and just pick it up. Mirage drive you better take a dive because it's a sinkin.

@dracus2000 5 месяцев назад

moi mon bilan apres avvoir utiliser un kayak hobie et parcourou des centaine de kilo j ai les cheville brisé. si vous avez l intention faire enormement terrain . les model a elice sont largement superieur

@ronpalmer9914 3 года назад

video very bias. You compared 1 drive against the mirage drive. My FeelFree overdrive is silent. As I'm sure many other brands are aswel. If your doing comparison compare all other drives.!!

@BlackDragonNationalPresident 6 лет назад

I want mine to workout and lose weight not fish. Although I think fishing might be cool at some point, wow that will be a learning curve looking at all of your gear. But anyway, based on your video I think the mirage drive will be best for weight loss across this big lake I live near. Question: Do you get a good workout from these things. You didn't seem to be huffing or puffing at all. How far do you actually pedal and do you get a workout?

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

I've definitely had my legs burning and been super tired at the end of the day.yes to burning calories...not a great workout IMO they are designed to be used at a leisure pace...but do stand up to tortuous effort. But I've gone for couple hours straight and not felt tired in the hobie...the slayer propel on the other hand required more effort...might be better for your purposes.

@BlackDragonNationalPresident 6 лет назад

Thank you.

@Machria23 2 года назад

You talked/compared "Power/torque", BUT what about SPEED?? Which one is FASTER?

@MattWolfgang 2 года назад

Don't the Hobie mirage drives start making noise as they loosen up over time? The PDL Drive from Old Town is whisper quiet.

@HeadwatersKayak 6 лет назад

Really well done video. Thanks for getting out good info on these yaks.

@cuivre2004 5 лет назад

Good video, and since it was published in 2018, it should be noted that many of the positive aspects of the Mirage drive are the same as in the Jackson Flex Drive-it is actually a hybrid in many respects. It tucks into the hull, it can be used in shallow mode and had three pitch settings for the prop. You really don't need to take the upper pedal mechanism off, since it looks totally integrated into the kayak on first glimpse. It will also very soon (January 2019) have an electric drive/integrated battery that can be popped on in a matter of seconds. I have seen many bent masts on mirage drives, so their use in waters where there is underwater wood is somewhat over-rated in this video. The FD folds into the hull when it hits something. Also- not to pick nits- a laydown is "cover", not "structure". Structure is the underwater topography and bottom composition (points, ledeges, rock-piles, etc). I'm also not on any pro-staff whatsoever and have fished out of several makes as well.

@АнтонДятлов-э5ш 2 года назад

I have chinees cheap dual kayak....need to say you are wrong to say the least.....one of the drives inded loud....another one is silent compleatly..so i ended up goung with o e drive and taking turn in pedaling...propelers are frigile

@mailjamesthomas 3 года назад

Aren't they all "pedal drive"? When you say "pedal drive" do you mean propeller drive? The mirage by Hobie is "fin drive?"

@maxwaters1461 3 года назад

Yeah, but you don't fish and just recreational kayak, can't beat the Hobie Outback, even without any drive.

@thiodorchalkias8906 9 месяцев назад

The problem with the fins pedal system is that the mechanism is exposed to the water (specially to sea water) and the floating solids sand etc and that makes its life sorted!!!

@charlespalmerii4299 2 года назад

Jackson Kayak Drive , 2022 , ,many of the Finn Benefits are no longer relevant , Game Changer

@alishabab3 Год назад

there is now 2 types of propel drives.. one is the belt and the other is a propellor pedal drive.. which are 2 different ones.. the belt is the older version that makes the hummings sounds due to the belt.. the new version is allot more silent

@trenteckert4223 2 года назад

Can you swap them like if you buy a pedal drive but instead of buying a new kayak can you just buy the mirage drive?

@outdoors-fun 6 лет назад

Another big issue is durability. I know a handful of guys with the propel drive that have pulled their yak out after the winter and the propel drive is seized. Water finds its way into the bearings and they rust up and seize during the off season.

@Caughtitoutdoors 6 лет назад

All these drives are made with somewhat delicate parts. You need to maintain them, inspect them, grease them. And don't trust them.

@outdoors-fun 6 лет назад

Agreed. but ive seen guys dump their yaks launching and lose their mirage drive, dig them out of the sand at low tide a week later, rinse it off in the salt water, and slap in in their yak and go. Not doing that with a propel drive. You can also bring spare parts and repair a mirage drive right on the water. Or fit a spare in the hatch..

@RonGay58 Год назад

Comparing the best Mirage Drive too the cheapest Pedal Drive is in no way fair.

@acecaldwell4701 3 года назад

Maryland is so nice i love the area around Ann arundel county i swam those waters since I was 10.now im 34 an dont think theres a spot i havnt been.lol

@jackritter4805 2 года назад

The downside of the fins is not having reverse. And me me personally I think I need. For driving in trees and what not

@josephdaluz7321 Год назад

Can you drop a hobie drive into a pelican kayak ??! Does it fit perfectly?

@adamrichardson9160 4 года назад

I love how I dont have to maintain my hobie drive unless I accidentally bend the metal rods. My old jon boat with motor limited me to half a day of fishing. Now I can fish all day and camp overnight without having to charge a stupid battery.

@dancingtrout6719 2 года назад

buy both and change per condition when staying at a place for two days ...lol

@walker8989 5 лет назад

I'm trying to decide between the Predator pal and a Hobie. The reverse thing really has me leaning toward the Predator.

@lesabre1972 4 года назад

it does not have more power they have flimsy stupid paddles I don't agree

@paulwierwille7840 3 года назад

Dude, I watched the first 4 minutes of your video. Your spreading B.S. Why set your phone right down on the pedal drive and not on the Hobie drive. I'm calling B.S. Done watching ,will never subscribe

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 3 года назад

Will never care.

@jklivin2007 2 года назад

it’s ashame you didn’t have the camera on the hobie at the same location as the prop drive.

@b.s.fishing5902 6 лет назад

Really good breakdown of both drives! I wonder what the noise from both drives is like underwater? how much louder to the fish is the pedal vs mirage? I have the Predator PDL and will be doing a lot of trolling at night for walleye this spring and am wondering if i'm going to need to look at using planer boards to get a little bit away from my kayak

@ricardogarcia4680 Год назад

Own my third Native slayer max and totally agree. Never thought of reaching down while standing to turn the prop. With my lack of balance that sounds like a comedy in the making. Thanks for the info

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors Год назад

Good stuff!

@HobieKayakFishing 6 лет назад

If reaching down to pull the lever is the worse thing you could say about the mirage drive I think it’s a huge win for Hobie. I will say I’ve never used a prop drive. I figured I hate riding a bike so I’d hate the prop drive. There’s definitely a market for both.

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 6 лет назад

Yup about the only thing that isn't perfect on the hobie

@macrumpton 3 года назад

So when you demonstrate how quiet the Hobie is you have the camera several feet away from the drive, and with the prop drive you put the camera on the hull right next to the drive. Thats totally legit and fair right?

@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors 3 года назад

Audio is pretty close