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Mutual inductance versus transformer: the power electronics perspective 

Sam Ben-Yaakov
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Intuitive explanation of the basics of coupled windings on a core, their modeling, simulation, leakage inductance calculation, parasitic capacitances and measurements of parameters.
Please not a slip-up in Slide #10. In left corner drawing, leakage reflection is just across the ideal transformer. and not beyond the primary inductor.

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@waynet8953
@waynet8953 6 лет назад
Thank-you for sharing your experience and knowledge.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
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@Azagro
@Azagro 7 лет назад
Another very interesting video. Thank you!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 7 лет назад
Thanks.
@arthurm7846
@arthurm7846 7 месяцев назад
Great video Prof. Sam, thank you!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 7 месяцев назад
👍🙏
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 7 месяцев назад
👍🙏
@kabandajamilu9036
@kabandajamilu9036 3 года назад
So educative may God reward you sir
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
🙏😊
@over2there
@over2there 7 лет назад
Thanks for the great video.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 7 лет назад
Thanks for comment
@ekus6196
@ekus6196 3 года назад
Thank you for another excellent presentation . Since this is an educational video, I would like to point out a small discrepancy at 20:50 . The measured leakage inductance is in series with the primary , rather than in parallel .
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
Thanks for interest. Regarding leakage connection, I am afraid you are mistaken. Think again😊
@ekus6196
@ekus6196 3 года назад
@@sambenyaakov Apologies , I was forgetting that you were "measuring" the leakage inductance .
@kolinevans9127
@kolinevans9127 6 лет назад
thanks greatly for sharing very helpful.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
😊
@KissAnalog
@KissAnalog Год назад
Great presentation!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
Thanks.
@MindVaccine
@MindVaccine 5 лет назад
Thank you so much!
@soderdaen
@soderdaen 2 года назад
Thank you much for the explanation. Anyhow I have still some questions left, maybe you find time to answer: At 08:55 where in the drawing is L2 * k ? Is the winding missing? At 09:42 where does L1' come from (upper left image) ? The slide before it was just L1 and what is L2' in the formula? At 12:24 the formula for M: Is L1 seen from primary side and L2 from secondary side or both from one side?
@wakeupsiddy6907
@wakeupsiddy6907 4 года назад
Sir can you please make a video on a Planar Transformer designing parameters and also how to calculate the different losses in the Planar Transformer. Explanation of the Planar Cores would be also nice if possible. You are really good in it and i think Planar Technology in the market so, it will be interesting for all.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
See ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-r-hK2OZp5D0.html
@AhmedMohamed-ky2vc
@AhmedMohamed-ky2vc 7 лет назад
Thank you very much. It is really very helpful. I just have a question please. Beside these two mentioned models, there are also T-model and PI-model for the mutual inductance. My question is: Are all these models are theoretically equivalent or each one present some approximations?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 7 лет назад
Thanks for comment. The models you mentioned are just network transformation retaining the same characteristics.
@alessiocaligiuri
@alessiocaligiuri 3 года назад
Many thanks for this video. It is well explained and very educational. I have a question about the "transformer model" that Engineers like to deal with. The complete model (without series and parallel resistors) should show the magnetizing inductance only at the primary, i.e. Lm=L1*k. Am I right? At 9:08 at the secondary side there is L2*k, but I guess it is only present if we look for transformer behavior from the secondary, without L1*k. Moreover, the total leakage (seen for example on primary side as a series inductor) can be computed only assuming that the magnetizing current is negligible. In fact reflecting L2(1-k) results in an inductor of value L2(1-k)/(n^2) placed after Lm, in series with the ideal transformer. If the previous assumption is true, then the total leakage seen at the primary side is 2*L1*(1-k). Is this correct? Many thanks for your attention and your time! Best regards, Alessio
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
The magnetization inductance does not "belong" to any side. See: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TUfaN40T1Yg.html
@user-nu3yh4wn3z
@user-nu3yh4wn3z 6 лет назад
Thanks for this good vidéo. BUt i have a question, in the last Slide, the minding capacitance, what is the L, L2 ?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
The transformer of which the capacitance is measured
@StrsAmbrg
@StrsAmbrg 2 года назад
Sir, In a transformer, all physical parameters are fix. In primary side we connect to a fix AC voltage, say 220V AC. In this case, let say that it is stepped down to 12V AC. First: How do we derive the flowing current in a primary transformer so we may know the current in the secondary side? Second: As we know, load we connect to secondary side could be vary. How the secondary side handle its current go to the load? Or, is its output current a fix amount, regardless of the load we connect? Because once I heard said that the primary current is determined by the load connected to the secondary, not by the physical parameter like the inductance, core, and so on. Mean, if the load we connect to the secondary side will only draw a small amount of current, then the primary side will deliver a small amount of current, vice versa as long as the pulled current in secondary side not exceed the maximum current primary could deliver.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 2 года назад
Save the magnetization current, a transformer is transparent an. The current, as in the usual case, is determined by the load. From the microscopic point of view, the load causes a momentary voltage drop which results in a voltage difference which increases the current until the system stabilizes.
@onlytruth9321
@onlytruth9321 3 года назад
Nice video! But, sir, how to calculate L1 and L2? Suppose in dual active bridge converter, Leakage, turns ratio, power, Primary and Secondary voltage, switching frequency known. Then how to calculate L1 and L2, so that I can run the simulation. I am stucked at it
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
L1 and L2 are the actual inductances seen at input and output of which will dictate the characteristics of the transformer. You need to first design the converter (phase shift, LLC, etc) which dictates the characteristics of the transformer.
@erikr007
@erikr007 3 года назад
I have a question about the formula for K on slide 4... why doesn't phi_2 appear in the formula for K? Are there two different K's depending on your perspective? Is there a formula for K which is symmetric in phi_1 and phi_2? Or is phi_1 always the same as phi_2?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
There is no phi_1 and phi_2. There is a phi-common and phi_leakage. See ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TUfaN40T1Yg.html
@alexanderkushnerov4556
@alexanderkushnerov4556 7 лет назад
Hi Shmuel, I just want to mention the SPICE model of transformer that allows connecting a voltage source to both of the sides and comprises 4 controlled sources: K. Hatch, "Spice Model For An Ideal Transformer Allows Bi-directional Operation," 2009 page 51 here electronicdesign.com/site-files/electronicdesign.com/files/archive/electronicdesign.com/cluster/docs/products/29/17/ED090611.pdf
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 7 лет назад
Alex, All SPICE transformer models are bi-directional. Some may have impedance matching issues as I am explaining in this video . Please watch my video on how to resolve the problem in case it arises. The model of EDN's "idea for design" you referenced has internal feedback which to my understanding may cause instabilities. Further, as said above , no need to complicate the model I am presenting in the clip. Thank you for the comment.
@wakeupsiddy6907
@wakeupsiddy6907 4 года назад
Sir, can you please explain the creepage and clearance constraints in Planar Transformer Designing.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Seeru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-r-hK2OZp5D0.html
@wilfrednelani8721
@wilfrednelani8721 7 лет назад
thanks you very much. i just want to ask how to use transformer as inductor?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 7 лет назад
You need a gap
@wilfrednelani8721
@wilfrednelani8721 7 лет назад
I am literally stuck here, we have been given a transformer, we have been asked to do a reverse engineering of an inductor's design and construction.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 7 лет назад
watch ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6Mi8QDD71vE.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3nfqBzPMknY.html
@AlbertRei3424
@AlbertRei3424 5 месяцев назад
Sir, I have big difficulties finding explanation about the differences betweeen coupled inductors and transformers,do you have a video or an explanation on that subject? Because I am studying flyback converters, and some people say it is a coupled inductor that is used and not a transformer,others says the contrary...
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 месяцев назад
THis his IS explained in the video. Very simple. A transformer does not store energy, A mutual inductor does. So a flyback magnetics is a mutual inductor.
@AlbertRei3424
@AlbertRei3424 5 месяцев назад
@@sambenyaakov Sir, But why can't a transformer store energy? Their construction are the same as the coupled inductors, windings around a core
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 месяцев назад
@@AlbertRei3424 No. it is not the same. The mutual inductor has a gapped core to enable energy storage. You may not see it from outside😊
@jessstuart7495
@jessstuart7495 4 года назад
8:26 Isn't the leakage inductance L_leak = (1-k^2)*L instead of L_leak=(1-k)*L ? v1 = s*L1*i1 - s*M*i2 v2 = s*M*i1 - s*L2*i2 = 0 (secondary shorted to measure leakage inductance) i2,sc = M*i1/L2 v1 = s*L1*i1 - s*M^2*i1/L2 substitute in M^2 = k^2*L1*L2 v1 = s*L1*i1 - s*(k^2*L1)*i1 = s*L1*(1-k^2)*i1 so the primary leakage inductance (secondary shorted) is L_leak = L1*(1-k^2).
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
No. Think about the case of an open secondary
@jessstuart7495
@jessstuart7495 4 года назад
@@sambenyaakov, With an open secondary, you see L_leakage = L1*(1-k^2) in series with L_magnetizing = L1*k^2 for the total primary inductance L1. Sources: Hagen: Radio-Frequency Electronics Circuits and Applications, Ch 22 Transformers and Baluns, pg 213 denverpels.org/Downloads/Denver_PELS_20070410_Hesterman_Magnetic_Coupling.pdf Slide 37
@eng.omareyadaljorani9954
@eng.omareyadaljorani9954 Год назад
What is the air core reactance of Transformer
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
You mean transformer with air core?
@eng.omareyadaljorani9954
@eng.omareyadaljorani9954 Год назад
@@sambenyaakov Air core reactance
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
@@eng.omareyadaljorani9954 The reactance Z(w) of the air?
@eng.omareyadaljorani9954
@eng.omareyadaljorani9954 Год назад
@@sambenyaakov What is the difference between it and the reactance X? Please.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
@@eng.omareyadaljorani9954 Sorry, I do not follow you.
@You-Paid
@You-Paid 3 года назад
@3:59 its not L1 is not self inductance, it should be actually magnetizing inductance.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
L1 (on the left) is the inductance you measure at the primary with open secondary. In a physical transformer this is the magnetization inductance.
@You-Paid
@You-Paid 3 года назад
@@sambenyaakov I understand that if coupling is tight, self inductance can be regarded as magnetising inductance. But in case of loosely coupled system, leakage inductance is significant therefore we can’t call self inductance as magnetizing inductance. Mathematically we can define these two term but i am trying to find a physical difference/ explanation of these two terms.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
@@You-Paid No. Mutual inductance is not an inductor it is a numerical factor (as I wrote before) equal to {M= k sqrt(L1 L2)} where k is the coupling coefficient. So for tight coupling M = sqrt(L1 L2). I suggest you brush up by reading on electrical networks.
@You-Paid
@You-Paid 3 года назад
@@sambenyaakov sorry, i made typo.. i meant to write magnetizing inductance . I have edited the reply.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
@@You-Paid What do you mean by self inductance?
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