My Advance Wars UNIT Tier List! 

8:50 *days of ruin cruisers casually one shotting literally every air unit in game, taking basically 0 damage from everything, even bombers doing minimal damage on first strike, whilst it also can deal pretty decent damage against ships as well as having just better stats in general and decent at direct strikes whilst bullying cruisers*

I like Bombers because they treat Anti-airs like a tank to a mech. You can actually get the jump on them and win the encounter whereas B.coptors cant engage at all

Black Bombs and Stealths are probably banned for the same reason; if one player loses control of their airport, the other player basically has total control of the game.

AW DoR deserves some love too.

"Oh shit that's a bomber" ,"Oh fuck they are sending fighters after my bomber", the game.

Recon ahead of med tanks 👀. Largely agree other than that haha

Cruisers are glorified Copter-Chan refill apcs so that alone moves it to the top of D-Tier. That unit can be great for island hopping on those weird fog naval maps. I’ve caused so much havoc just having one hide in a reef while confusing opponents on how those copters magically disappeared. It’s sad that 1 of 5 advance wars players don’t know cruisers can Refill and hold copter units.

I never thought of Recons being worth as much as the chain captures they disrupt, really shows the difference between us low IQ sub 1k and the better ranked players. By the way, I'd bump up multi-unit transports (Cruisers, Landers, Carriers and Black Boats) in the ranking because of a very fun glitch I saw being showcased in a video by Deejus: if the naval transport unit is sitting on a ground-based facility (HQ, Bases and Cities if it's a Ground unit, or Airports f it's an Air unit), AWBW's spaghetti code makes it so that any transported unit can heal BOTH of its possible transported units. So if you put two damaged Infantries on the Black Boat on the HQ of A River Supreme, sitting them there will slowly heal both ground units over time. It's very map dependent, but it CAN be situationally overpowered. As for Black Bombs, they're broken for the same reason you don't see any Missile Silos in competitive play: it's guaranteed damage at a flat fee, meaning that once you amass enough funds (especially in High Funds) you could theoretically keep throwing a deluge of very fast units that hit for 5 HPs even the costly and defensively strong units. Basically you can theoretically wallbreak anything in the game and the only supposed counter to them would be either playing Olaf to slow them for a turn so that you can catch up with anti-air, or building a Fighter - and even then the Black Bomb can still do its 5 HPs of damage even if it itself is down to 0.1 HPs. They always pay for themselves (because the opponent either forms a wall and loses its equivalent in funds once it explodes, or does NOT form a wall and gets destroyed by all the other units - and still incurs in the same fund loss) and the only response is building Black Bombs or Fighters yourself.

Missiles can shut down an airport. Especially in FOW, especially if placed in a forest, enemy shall lose a helicopter or bomber and have to guess where did the shot come from. It should be C rank before an aircraft carrier - because they are much cheaper, easier to defend and hide in FOW.

The issue with black bombs is that it fundamentally changes the game, you cant deathball anymore, if you do a push into enemy formation your units will be clumped together and if the enemy stalls same thing. It is so easy to wallbreak because it leaves every unit at 5hp which usually is enough to 1hko with a single extta unit, even if they have a proper wall which only allows 1 melee attack. The black bomb doesnt always have to get its value from explosion alone. Also you kinda cant counter it because it has 9 move. Just a really bad designed unit for multiplayer pvp.

Thank you for this. Really valuable and I would like your new idea brewing (map theme rank & review) All your videos are so entertaining and I keep wanting more!

You forget to mention that Cruisers can carry copters. That won't make them amazing or anything, but that's another thing they have going for them. A cruiser could carry 2 Battle Copters past Anti-Airs and Fighters, and then release them when it's safe to do so. I believe they also supply the copters as well.

Black bombs just create chaos and will probably stall the game. Ooziums are just CO Power batteries, let them die to enemies and you fill up your CO power super fast.

And here I am wishing that we could see some new units on Reboot Camp 😂 Maybe on future AW titles? 😳 My favourite unit is artillery.

I’m surprised how high Fighters are, considering they’re a responsive unit. Goes to show how game determining Bombers and Bcopters are. Fighters basically mean “if you want to keep building from your airport, good luck”.

In the cruiser-battleship-sub triangle the guy with a battlecopter wins. Justice for ma boi the cruiser!

really enjoy your content, keep it up man

Stealth fighter and black bombs are banned because they are too impactful. Almost Invincible bomber and a wall-crushing bomb. S rank.

Recons are also a pretty good fodder for mega tanks. You can box them in for unfavorable trades for your opponent and neuter them by depleting ammo.

Thoughts to consider putting Black Boats into low A-tier: - load infantry, transport to a city, load out + start capturing, enemy appears hitting your infantry, Black Boat repairs infantry which then can counterattack the enemy and get slightly ahead meaning that the enemy needs to send another unit to kill the infantry. that's VERY valuable tactical and resource draining move! - Black Boat movement range + 2 mechs unload = scared enemy tanks near the shore. 2 tanks = 14k$, 2 mechs + black boat = 13,5k $ - Black Boats with access to rivers or fjords which go deep into the map center = big advantage in pushing or defending. You brawl in the center without a clear winner, withdraw damaged units from the frontline, let's say a brawled neotank. place a 2hp neo-tank on a city next to a river, place a bb next to it -> repair it 33,3% faster by adding another hp -> 3 turns instead of 4! actually you get it to 8hp in 2 turns and an 8hp neo-tank is still a huge threat to anything below med-tank. Black Boats are AMAZING!

As a DOR player, this tier list is pretty interesting.

AWDS navy battles are actually pretty great, its too bad AWBW uses AW2 boats

Missiles are more of a deterrent than a lethal weapon. I hardly ever get the chance to hit planes with them, because planes can easily skip over their attack range unless there are multiple launchers spread out, but by the time you have money to invest in that you've probably already won. Anti Air cannons are far more useful. Stealth planes are probably top tier for me. Yeah they're kind of like submarines for the sky but if you dominate the sky, you dominate the land and sea. To be immune to everything except for other planes is insane. High fuel consumption yes, but no issues if you have some apcs in tow. Attacking with these forces your opponent to spending a lot of money in order to counterattack.

Also as someone else said Oozium is trash tier for offensive purposes, but holding a base its insanely good if it costs like 1-3k, indirects deal no damage and you need like 3 infantry or tanky just to kill it.

I love me some fighters. One or two fighters makes all those annoying copters and bombers just disappear. Then my medium tanks can run riot! Also glad to finally see someone else who doesn’t undersell recons. I’ll even consider getting a recon of the enemy has a ton of indirects and I have some pocket change to spare. If there’s an opportunity to nip some artillery or rockets in the heel and decrease their damage, I’ll consider it money well spent

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My Tier list of common Units before the video starts. Rifle men C, Mechs D, Recon, Antiair and arty B, Tanks and battle copters A and Med tank being S. It's the main ones I see in advance wars by web, Having played mostly Dual strike their rankings would move around a bit mostly due to skills and if they are being used for pvp or pve. Recons are super annoying because they can peck hp off many inf before dying and the best use is if you can get inf lower before charging with tanks. It lets you break through much easier. If they can get 3 attacks off on inf before they die they got their value in.

Anti-Airs are so good

hey, great video, do you think they will look to balance the units in the upcoming reboot camp game or just straight up mindlessly import the 2 games as they are ?

B copters being built out of airports is a big part of what makes them good, IMO BC>Tank>AA

The cruiser can hard counter air units, it just needs to be the one attacking rather than be the one being attacked by said air units. It's sort of like an anti-air vs bomber situation, or mech vs tank; both can counter each other, but the one on the offensive is the one that wins the fight.

"Just replace Tanks and Copters with Neotanks and Bombers." Just kidding. It does feel like High Funds allows for more unit viability.

Really good tierlist in general but I have some different opinion to some : oozium is a weird unit, depending the price, they could be decent defensive meatshield. if it cost more than 10k, it would be bad but at 1k they could be broken since you will need at least 3 unit to kill them. They would suck as an offense value but their defensive value is insane regardless cruiser I would put it on top D tier, they have use compared to other meme unit (only counter to sub, can actually beat 1 B copter since both has same mobility, and with some chance could beat 2 B copter (if he initiate the first one, B copter do 50% dmg to cruiser) but it's still bad) mech, beside heavy mountain map (or river), I find them kinda okayish as a cheap defensive unit if opponent doesnt have expensive unit, if a 3k cost unit can ward off a 7k unit, it's a good deal and it's better than a Bship for me that is situational (outside of meme) and the price to ward off unit might not be worth. I would put top C or bottom B among transport, I would prefer T copter in general. well if a blackboat or a lander is available on the map, yeah they become better but I don't think that it need to be into consideration since it's a unit everyone is "forced" to use and don't use them by choice/buying. I would say T copter > BBoat > apc > lander (the cost hurt and you never build it outside of necessity to transport ground vehicle) one thing you didnt mention about stealth unit is that it usually require an apc to make it viable in the long run, 6+8 fuel per day for a total of max 60 tank fuel, your stealth could only be useful for 1-3 turn before crashing/refuel. in HF yeah they would be much stronger but people don't want to spend on apc on std, and you may want to spend on 2-3 to bring confusion on opponent on it's whereabout otherwise they can guess that it's near the only apc black bomb may be S tier even in standard since it's mere choice to build prevent enemy from building expensive unit in my opinion or build massive tank packed. not much experience but it's threat isnt from bilding but as an available building option fighter deserve to be top B, because it's never an unit you build initially, and being annoying is good but has no major impact compared to other A tier unit I also agree that AAir > B copter. I view B copter as a "tank" with insane defense (except vs AA) but less firepower vs ground unit and more expensive. AA is still a threat to non-tank ground unit and all air unit (except stealth). By the way, a B copter can face a 5 hp AAir (it does 25% dmg I think ?)

Wow, the fog slander... at least our mechs are better than yours! 😭

I love how three naval units are in the Sea tier!

This meta doesn't make any sense to me. Missile units cost 22k, but if they kill 2 aircraft, they will more than pay for themselves moneywise. They are slow as hell on anything but perfect road too, yes, but I think their value is based on map control - not aggression. I think there are a few maps where it is deff worth building one missile and sticking it in a well defended city or forest. Unless he is playing with fog of war off, I can't begin to understand this perspective.

Nice list! I think i would make a whole tier under all just for the missile launcher!! Mechs are also kinda bad.

The background music you have sounds like it's from a ratchet and clank game! Would love to see a standard and fog tier list too!

I hear that ratchet and clank ost in the background!

Is that Ratchet and Clank music in the background? Back to the main focus of the video: I see Advance Wars content, I like

Well I would say that anti air would be an A tier because the are limited my terrain in movement so copters can out maneuver them plus you have to protect them a lot so you shouldn't be using them on anything but air units or risk exposing them and depending on the CO if Bombers hit first they will either destroy the anti air or cripple it to the point it's retaliation attack does next to nothing.

Black Bombs are basically “Maxx C” If you’ve ever played yugioh. It doesn’t affect just a few cards, but how Every Card/ Unit Operates as well as ALL basic strategies.

I always feel like artillery are the "I'm at a disadvantage" choice, while the Rockets are a "I need to hit something offensively" choice The cost of artillery in comparison to more mobile units like tanks or Recons make me feel like I'm only going to be meeting an artillery if I have to deal with a income disadvantage or if the enemy manages to build Tech units early like a medium tank that I need to soften up. The artillery covers too small of an area to make it worth doing anything but setting up for a specific objective or taking advantage of a random Mountain tile or something like that. Otherwise, it's a $6,000 roadblock, and I can achieve that with Infantry The Rockets being able to hit four to five squares away means it's not as exposed as artillery will be, and that ability to threaten range is a godsend, especially when you start slamming units against each other. It's usually my first tech unit myself, and by the end I'll usually have at least four in play. Rockets also have a niche in threatening cities that I want to capture, and then holding the space around it to ensure enemy infantry don't succeed in taking it back. I would love to see missiles also be able to attack ground units, maybe at reduced firepower, I would say less than what artillery can do in terms of Firepower but not by much. Making them a cheaper alternative to Rockets would be amazing

What about Dusters and Bikes? Am I the only one who likes Dark Conflict/Days of Ruin?

Well...According to Sensei's philosophy, you can win any battles using only mechs/infantries, coptors, and apc/landers. I know what you are thinking! What if they had bombers and fighter! There is no way for sensei to fight them unless he gets anti-air or fighters. So when I met Sensei and asked the question, he told me that bombers and fighters do not win you matches...

26:04 Also for some reason they take little to damage from indirects but quite a bit from infatry

By the way, as a fun addendum, would you rate the Days of Ruin units that are not present in AWBW?

i like the ratchet&clank 3 background music

S tier: Bread and Butter. A tier: Useful on their stages and with the right management can remain relevant. B tier: Fairly dependant of situation but can help on a pinch. C tier: Very niche. Very situational and/or map dependant. D tier: Probably build once or twice in a lifetime, or predeployed and have to be used.

I do believe that naval units need to become direct and indirect weapons because naval warships have close and long range weapons, like they should be able to use their main battery like an arty and secondary battery like a tank, and after ww2 and even ww2 the secondary batty was dual purpose so it should work as AA

7:30 i think you meant days of ruins, although i never noticed a change in dual strike so maybe you're right

Based. What do you think missiles need to be good? (B or decent C tier)

Based af. See nothing wrong with this list. Perhaps I would swap mech with carrier? But what do I know - I never play highfunds.

This is an objectively correct, based and GOATed tier list.

Okay, now that you are done with that you finally have the time to work on a map tier list! How cool is that? Ha ha joking of course but I'd love to see something like that. If not for specific maps I'd like to see someone talk about the different map formats, like mixed base, islands etc.

I would have to agree with almost everything except for mechs being in C tier. Mechs can be very effective counters to tank/AA aggression when used in groups, but can be countered by arty covered defensive maneuvers. I think that they are low A rank units paired with transport units. They can also capture properties, but not as effective as infantry.

Oozium is so bad, they're pretty resistant to indirects and most forms of attack, but infantry fire just shut them down doing about 36% on light terrain even before luck or CO bonuses.

Missiles should just have passive Sturm movement.

Oh nice you used my tier list :) this is one of my first tier lists so I wasn't sure exactly how to put units in the right order, especially since I did so when uploading the pictures Sad to see some of my favourite units like mega tanks, oozium and piperunners be placed down than I like, but obviously this is a list of how good they are lul And with the black bomb, I just consider them below bottom tier every time because in my opinion, they are the worst and most poorly designed unit in the franchise, just because of how annoying they are, though I feel like black bombs and pipe runners were more so designed for the purpose of the campaign more than anything biggest problem I have is that I feel like artillery should be S tier, simply because of how strong and cheap they are, being able to take down almost all direct firing ground units, aside from mega tanks by themselves of course Either way, happy to see someone use my tier list :) and I know its my tier list cuz I'm basically the only one who puts oozium on the list (from what I've seen) because people don't seem to like oozium :(

Missiles and Subs have 5 vision in fog, that’s worth something on fog maps at least.

What if you increased the range of the missile by one and the dead zone by one?

Did you think that AWBW could ( and should) create a alternative balancing for units to see more diversity in games ? Or adding Days of ruins units

Very new to the game means I can watch this while losing in real time.

Are you still sure rockets are better than t-copters? That just seems wrong to me. Otherwise, great list and entertaining video.

the main threat of oozium is not the oozium itself, it's the fact that they charge 3 stars when they get killed

Landers are too expensive to be worth making imo. even in high funds, I'd rather spend my money on more land units

>I click on the video >He mentions high funds >I close the video

Mechs are a good balance of the utility of the infantry, but the firepower to help out in sticky situations, especially with someone like Sami or Kanbei It's hard to see it in D tier, tbh Edit: I suppose in High Funds, where you can easily protect infantry with high end units, mechs become obsolete. But they're still very much a cost-efficient early and mid game solution to tanks and mechs.

Based

damn i played advance wars 1 and 2 for like 10 years at this point and i only played against a human being once. i think i should really check the online stuff out, its just so boring to play against the ai all the time

I don't know enough about Advance Wars to really argue with any placement. But one thing that caught my attention was the range comparison between Artillery and Rockets. 2-3 vs. 3-5, and how this is just 1 more range. In a linear game, yes. But Advance Wars is a 2 dimensional game. Each range out covers more tiles. 1 range covers 4, 2 covers 8, 3 covers 12, 4 covers 16, and 5 covers 20. This means an artillery is capable attacking any of 20 tiles in a turn, while rockets are capable of attacking any of 48 tiles. That's 2.4 times the threat area. I don't advocate for any changes in tier placement. In practice, you won't be able to fully capitalize on this value. But I think the range increase was downplayed a bit unfairly.

APCs shoulr be atleast b since it respluys your units. Esp air units.

How would you compare in real life situation a tank vs chopper!

Oozium for 1k? I would build a wall out of them and purge anything you send on them. Neotank? Megatank? Toodle-oo. Artillery almost does not do any damage to them. B or C rank if they would be allowed to deploy at reasonably low price. And for 1k you can deploy only them and guarantee cost-effectiveness and secured victory. Because they cannot be destroyed with one shot, so, if placed in a line, they will consume at least infantry which costs 1k. And oozium will still be alive and as deadly as it was. For 1k - totally super S rank. Platinum rank.

SAMs are worse than cruisers. If I build a battleship you're not unlikely to build subs, hence cruisers have a very niche purpose, but if I build a missile that won't stop your air builds whatsoever because they have minimum fire range. Literally the only reason to have them is for 5 vision in fog, and just build recons!

copters arent immune to every ground unit. they take less damage sure but not immune.

Most of the time, a unit will die before it needed to be refueled

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I am not a fan of AWBW because of comm towers making everything more fragile. This also makes Mechs weaker. They hit as hard as tanks, but almost never get to first strike since they are way too slow, but on longer drawn out battles they have a chance of actually getting somewhere descent, except comm towers mean that's not likely to happen. I hate comm towers.

Hiw could you do Missile-chan dirty like that? Lies and Slander I say.

...is there varying metas in advance wars? Pardon?

Anybody remember great big war game?

me when max artillery

You are terribly WRONG the only thing that can stop air units to hit key units like rockets or artillery, even infantry is the missile unit, you juat have to play it steady, it does an amazing job stoping your enemy

C tier kinda seems like the deterrent tier, with B tier as transports (and the units that need them the most). I'd probably drop the stealth and raise the fighter - so easy to get your value back with a fighter since it moves farther and one-shots, then can give air dominance for a while. Andy fighters might make it to S tier. So. Much. Free. Charge.

You DARE put the mighty piperunner in the same tier as the cruiser??? Piperunners have the same movement as a fighter, a better attack range than a rocket (2-5 instead of 3-5) can hit EVERYTHING in the game (except underwater subs and stealthed stealth fighters) with damage numbers comparable to battleships for ground/naval units and A-air for air units. They're INCREDIBLE. Worst tier list ever, 0/10. ... Joking aside, good video. One thing I'd like to point out that strictly by numbers, the artillery is the single most cost-effective unit in the game. Its damage values are excellent, and when you consider that they're on a unit that only costs 6k, it's just plain ridiculous. They correctly balanced it by making it hard to use, but when you look at the number tables, it really isn't a surprise that the top-rated player in the world is famous for his arty usage.

My instinct was that copters > anti-airs because copters can avoid anti-airs sometimes by taking advantage of terrain and operate with impunity. On the other hand, it's much more difficult for anti-airs to avoid tanks, since they're both typically hindered by terrain.

Meg C tier really? you just spam these units and they do amazing damage against tanks

Stealth fighters are easily S tier. Any unit that forces such a massive response from the opponent (and doesn't get countered by said response) must be S tier. Keep in mind two stealth fighters can kill a normal fighter. Stealth fighters are especially dangerous in pairs.

S-the core 4 A-Offense B-Support C-Defense D-Meme Funny how this ended up (Also Oozium > Cruiser)

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Great video, love AW. We need to see more AWBW RU-vidrs doing more colabs together, like friendly game, show matches or tourneys.

I think apcs are better than transport copters because they buy you a defensive wall that typically can take 2 or 3 hits and they resupply. Copters only carry one unit, are weak defensively and have the be refueled more often

Ill always stand by mechs. Theyre abilty ro do higher damage while taking more themselves i4sworth the movement trade off with infantry imo when done right.

Ok you must be bad because mech is prob one of the strongest units lol.