My Backpacking Layering System for 2020 + Budget Items!

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@DarwinOnthetrail 4 года назад

CORRECTION!!! - After weighing it for a 3rd time on a Different Scale, My (Small) Appalachian Gear Co. Hoodie came out to 9.2oz (261g) 🤦‍♂️ Moral of the Story??? Sometimes it's good to use different Scales & make sure they are calibrated 🤦‍♂️😂 Hike On, Darwin

@Nynke_K 4 года назад

Whoa! In this context, that thing is HEAVY!

@DarwinOnthetrail 4 года назад

WORTH IT for me... Most Comfortable Hoodie I have found to hike in! Hike On, Darwin

@yogistrail9723 4 года назад

A nickel weighs 5 grams :) I use em to make sure my scales on.

@DarwinOnthetrail 4 года назад

Yep! Small... They run really big!

@carolineriedlinger2904 4 года назад

Ty, D. We love the Appalachian Gear tshirts (lighter weight than hoodies)

@ronaldrose7593 4 года назад

Hello Darwin, thank you for sharing this great gear review. You are a legend in the hiking community. All the best to you out there on the trail. 🤗

@dangeletti84 4 года назад

I've had a Torrid Apex jacket for about 9 months now. It's absolutely amazing. Super comfortable, super light, super warm. If, IF, there's a downside, it's that if you're up in altitude with exposure and it's sunny, its almost too hot. It'll block the wind like a brick wall, but that sun beaming down can get toasty. Awesome jacket. Thanks for recommending it way back when!

@davidson_oldbull_sectionhiker 4 года назад

Thanks Darwin and I appreciate some of the more budget items. You are very thoughtful. Have a great weekend.

@tedsmith9114 3 года назад

Darwin, I have found myself gravitating to your channel for the best reviews. Nice job and keep up the good work! I'm from Huntsville, Alabama and will be returning to backpacking in 2021. I have section hiked approximately 400 miles on the AT and many miles / nights on smaller trails. This was 10 - 14 years ago and excited to get on the trail again. You have helped me select my new gear. Many thanks.....

@Roger-ny9xr 4 года назад

Great video. Thanks for sharing your experience in what works well for you. Always nice to hear what others are wearing as part of their system and why they like each piece of clothing.

@gregseymour2941 4 года назад

Tights + wind pants = worth the time to watch this video! Thanks Darwin

@robertbarnes5839 4 года назад

Darwin I’m sure you get millions of comments. But I want to say again you are an excellent presenter. You’re clear, concise and make enjoyably fun. Great Job!!

@bavarian11788 4 года назад

Entertaining the way you model things. It’s think little things that make your videos so good.

@theravenloons5945 4 года назад

I recently picked up the EE jacket, and though I knew it was lightweight, I was floored! It's amazing! I've been wearing it around the house in place of a sweater/ flannel.. my husband thinks I have lost my mind, but I love it! - Thanks for the info on the rain jacket. I had been considering buying one but have put it off with the concern that being so thin it would wear out too quickly; apparently not. Also (feeling wordy today). I have a few of the Columbia shirts. I work at an outdoor nursery and those things take a beating. I have snagged them so many times on sharp metal, and they come out just fine- virtually indestructible, but they do drape weird over time. I figure with the cost when they're on sale I'll stick with them. It's just cheaper. Great Video!

@wildgypsywomen2340 4 года назад

I just found your channel and I love the information you share. I love that you explain why you may have previously used something and now have changed. I am also so excited to see you on the Colorado Trail. It’s right in my backyard and I’ve decided that may be my very first thru hike....when I can figure out how to leave my job and kids for a while. Lol thanks again!!!!

@pvtperkins1455 4 года назад

Thanks for all the last minute help! Hope to run into ya on the AT this season

@thanielxj11 2 года назад

I'm definitely going to check out those socks thanks for the tip

@inediblemangoes7797 2 года назад

This was super informative!

@BoomerFZ1 4 года назад

Valcom, Hurley, Scott, etc. have been putting out some AWESOME hybrid shorts. Almost like a casual swim trunk. So comfy and quick drying.

@naturegirl92584 4 года назад

Thanks buddy, I appreciate stuff like this

@aurtisanminer2827 4 года назад

This is the time of year I always watch videos about summer activities.

@bournejerz3938 4 года назад

Thanks for sharing options for clothing that works for your build.

@johneason6540 4 года назад

Always enjoyable. Got to say I'm a smartwool sock fan and the smartwool qtr. Zip base layer for my primary shirt, that and my OR rain wind jacket takes me everywhere.

@chrislonsberry4571 4 года назад

This was great info for a newbie like me. Thank you for your thoughts from your experiences.

@WorldviewOutdoors 3 года назад

Liked the combination layering. We were taught this when I was stationed at Ft. Wainwright AK. I like the hoodie idea. I bought one from PAKA Apparel. Still use my EE Torrid Apex Jacket too. Definitely use the shorts when I'm trail running.

@elizabethingram9784 2 года назад

Thanks for including items for the budget conscious. 🌟💫

@Dreoilin 4 года назад

Darwin, did you know you were mentioned in a Dave Caterbury vid? Its awesome to see Bushcraft embracing light weight backpacking philosophy. Great vid!

@j.k.7595 4 года назад

A few years ago when I first saw one of your videos I noticed that you were using Darn Tough socks. I thought it was just so much hype, but dang, after buying an initial pair I couldn't wait to get more! I wear merino's all year. Thanks for recommending them they rock!

@williamkauffman8898 4 года назад

Darn tough is all I wear now, awesome socks

@AsTheWheelsTurn 4 года назад

I live in central AZ which is hot as hell in the summer but still wear those socks even in summer, they are good for hot or cold weather, they are the best.

@backpacker3421 4 года назад

Yeah, any sock that is even a decent performer but has a lifetime warranty is totally worth it. But DT's outperform and outlast nearly every competitor, IMO. And when they do eventually wear out, you get a new pair for free, so over your lifetime they are definitely the cheapest option as well.

@JoshuaEvansVoltaDesign 4 года назад

Loved my DT socks, sadly after about 3-4 months lost one after a trip (fell out my bag and out of the truck)... I’m going to buy the exact same pair and keep the remaining one as an extra... best socks hands down!

@backpacker3421 4 года назад

@@JoshuaEvansVoltaDesign Have you contacted DT? I'd bet if you sent them the single they'd replace the pair. They are pretty amazing about it.

@madratter 4 года назад

Always awesome. Thanks Darwin.

@trytheoutdoors 4 года назад

Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Thank you so much for all your efforts. Inspirational.

@guitarhiker4449 4 года назад

Nice laying system man! Works well for you thats what matters and some gear is not worth skimping on i agree! Mine for 3 season is: Base layer-Huk performance fishing long sleeve & T-shirt versions, Pants/shorts EMS zip offs & OR Helium 2 for rain and wind. Cold weather: Base layer- Dri-fire silk weights, Top XGO phase 5 multicam hoodie, firstlite brooks sweater dry earth/hybrid down/synth if really cold & Multicam Gortex gen 3 level 6 rain top and bottom, Pants Kuhl various versions. Darn tough socks with my lowa zephyr boots, beanie & carhartt gloves. All layers subject to change lol we all know how that is! To each his or hers own. Still always trying new things and culling gear when necessary! Thanks for sharing Darwin! Stay safe! Hike on!

@cgriggsiv 4 года назад

Awesome hiking duds As you said before it's a personal preference whatever works for you Keep up the great hikes

@BackcountryForward 4 года назад

Stoked for this! Especially for what you’ll be wearing in the cold June start up here on the GDT! It’ll be a cold start that’s for sure!

@DarwinOnthetrail 4 года назад

🥶🥶🥶... Bummer!😂

@BackcountryForward 4 года назад

Darwin onthetrail do you plan on bringing lightweight snowshoes? I know Dan Durston and T-dawg needed them when they started in June 2017 for their yo-yo (and that was a south, less snowy, start). Curious in your thoughts!

@DarwinOnthetrail 4 года назад

🤷‍♂️ Don't Know yet. Too Soon To Tell... 🤷‍♂️

@BackcountryForward 4 года назад

Darwin onthetrail haha touché 😆

@mandywilleford8697 4 года назад

I always take my smart wool buff and since I primarily hike in cooler temps, my black rock down beanie:)

@LiboltAdventures 4 года назад

Very nice, thanks for sharing man, put a bit of thought into this.

@DarwinOnthetrail 4 года назад

It happens after 7,000+ Trail Miles.... A Lot of Trial & Error! Hike On, Darwin

@LiboltAdventures 4 года назад

@@DarwinOnthetrail o for sure.

@outsideroob1071 4 года назад

Thanks for this video, its basically an xmas list to give to my family for me.

@arabica571 4 года назад

Lol

@thegroove2000 4 года назад

Great insight. I will defo take your tips into consideration.

@stevenqirkle 4 года назад

Shorts + tights are great for hiking. Especially in light rain, where they remain comfortable and stretchy and still provide some insulation. They are also nicer to wear under rain pants than a bulkier pair of pants.

@1Dudey1 4 года назад

Awesome review!

@TheFBIorange 4 года назад

Very informative video, thank you!

@brianwofford3831 4 года назад

Thanks, Darwin, great video.

@vitaflo 4 года назад

SNAPS! I was totally wondering what that shirt was in a prior video and I didn't even know it was a snap shirt! All of my other shirts are snaps so that Arcteryx shirt is an absolute must-buy for me.

@dayhikingforoldies9792 4 года назад

Sage advice, thanks 😎

@patriotkennethburlingham7059 4 года назад

Darwin, I love my Darn Tough socks!! Always carry three pair.. :)

@chrisbell7740 4 года назад

I love that you are going to do the Canadian trail. I am over in ontario but wish I could jump over for a week with you.

@tyrbaldur5317 4 года назад

For those who want a budget option for socks, I actually just picked up a slightly irregular pair of Darn Tough socks at TJ Maxx for 9.99. About half the price of a pair anywhere else. They seem to have nothing wrong with them and they're incredibly warm. I love them. They also had Smartwool socks for the same price. Thank you for your reviews, Darwin!

@RC-qf3mp Год назад

And I got some irregular injinjis… has six toes! Jk.

@michaelb1761 4 года назад

Loved the interview on the "By Land" podcast.

@VikingsNetworkAdmin 3 года назад

Great info. Great channel.

@JaxBespoked 3 года назад

My Appalachian Gear Hoodie is awesome. I don't regret the $$$ at all. Used it for a snowboarding trip as well as the backcountry.

@DonP_is_lostagain 4 года назад

my clothing changes a bit depending on the season (obvy), but since I'm in Texas, if I'm hiking here, it doesn't change too radically from place to place since we don't have any real seasons. But, one thing I always have is a shemagh. It's just too versatile. I can use it as an impromptu towel, sunshade for my noggin, extra layer for warmth, breath shield for my quilt to prevent condensation, and it can be used in any situation in place of a bandanna. Just love the thing.

@ericnesbitt6008 4 года назад

My favorite Cheesedick!! Thanks for the vid Darwin!

@DarwinOnthetrail 4 года назад

😂😂😂... I wear that Title proud! Hike On, Darwin

@Prtg1 4 года назад

Great topic 👍

@BikeTall 4 года назад

For hiking pants, i like the Columbia Silver ridge zip off cargo pants. Ya got your shorts & long pants in one garment. Very convenient. Super comfy & they dry fast.

@michaelb1761 4 года назад

Another budget option that also protects your pack and covers at least part of your legs is a rain poncho. Not something that you would want to use anywhere there is the potential for snagging on brush but a very well ventilated and lightweight option otherwise. My Gatewood Cape is 10 oz and doubles as a tarp shelter.

@liamboggs 4 года назад

Great info. Thanks

@commonweakness9060 4 года назад

Darn Tough socks.....big thumbs up!

@gohkuanhoe5178 3 года назад

Good gears Darwin..👍🏻👏🏻

@lorismith8479 4 года назад

I am long torso too....hard to find hoodies that are long enough....Thanks for sharing that product! Cheers

@TXMEDRGR 4 года назад

My favorite outfitter is Goodwill and other local resale shops. If you are willing to check around, there is a lot of good stuff in these types of shops. I even got my hiking poles, sleeping bag and shoes there.

@alexanderfrench9236 4 года назад

Excellent video, liked and subbed

@txhypnotist 4 года назад

Awesome D.

@backpacker3421 4 года назад

+1 for Patagonia Capilene baselayers. They are fantastic and worth every penny.

@clarkansas6590 4 года назад

Great info

@kill_your_ego6578 4 года назад

Wasn't too much rainy on the CT last year. Mostly just afternoon showers at elevation. I was lucky enough to have most storms avoid me.

@jcoats5529 3 года назад

Arcteryx makes some of the best clothing available. Great company.

@TheSmurfPenis69 4 года назад

Hey Darwin! I wanted to tell you that I have a hat that I hate leaving my home without- it’s a hat that is meant for fishing, made by Columbia, it has Omni Shade fabric and it covers the ears and back of the neck with a connected layer. And the one thing that gives it a HUGE plus for me is that it has a string that has a metal clips on the end of it so you can cling it to your shirt/bag and if a wind comes and blows it away it stays attached

@richeyrich2203 Год назад

What hat is that?

@darksidemachining 4 года назад

Lieutenant Dan: "There is one item of G.I. gear that can be the difference between a live grunt and a dead grunt. Socks. Darn Tough, Merino wool, cushioned sole, O.D. green. Try and keep your feet dry. When we're out humpin', I want you boys te remember to change your socks whenever we stop. The Mekong will eat a grunts feet right off his legs."

@GoodMorningHikers 2 года назад

non cotton rip-resistant pant/short zip-offs. tons of brands almost all are pretty identical, but hiking a lot here in Colorado, being able to switch between pants and shorts as the weather fluctuates from 30F-80F and back is great. wet, dry, cold, hot, these perform well always. you can layer under and over them as needed. but they are always a no-brainer for me.

@obiwanjacobi 4 года назад

My Buffalo Active Light shirt is still serving me well after 10 years of regular use. It's wind proof but not water proof. If it rain you will get wet - but you will stay warm if you keep moving. Its good till around freezing with moderate level of activity (riding my bike to work - 11 miles in 45 minutes).

@alwatts9713 3 года назад

I kinda like semi-wind-proof pants that have legs you can zip off. I can see the benefit of adding the EE wind pants to add some additional warm too.

@Dawn2DuskAdventuring 4 года назад

Got a Arc’teryx rain jacket I paid an arm & a leg for but man I love it. Otherwise under armor is it.

@YahshuaLovesMe 4 года назад

Tshirts and Sweatshirts are great and soft cloth jeans, and sweat pants for sleeping. You are good at socks... I love thick soft warm cozy socks.

@ovidiuschiopu5758 3 года назад

Love your videos! Inspiring. I've hiked the HST and JMT combo twice and always had too much gear 'just in case! It doesn't look like you bring any extras except for socks. Have you ever been in a situation where everything was wet and cold and wished you had a dry set of clothes? What are your thoughts?

@ferdonandebull 4 года назад

I like the Columbia shirts. I got into my clan affiliation and purchased a kilt. I have two that I hike in. One is a wool nylon blend and the other is made of all man made fibers. Both feel the same. Anyway... the wool blend sheds water very well and drys pretty well. The second does everything pretty well. They are easy to take off in a tent, you don’t stink of crotch sweat as bad, they ventilate very well . I can’t believe I never wore one of these before in the weeds. Mine have four large pockets.. which is kind of over kill..

@gein2287 4 года назад

The buff aka neck gaiter is the best. Especially sleeping keep your ears face warm when sleeping, keep bugs away, etc. Love hiking with knee high socks & shorts. Socks are supposedly marked "weatherproof" on them & were a gift last year, I wish I knew where to get them because they are the best socks I've ever owned for hiking/camping. I'd love to get that alpaca with a zip up. I have to bring nice cheap flip flops for long hikes just to wear around camp to air out the feet while setting up & making dinner. and late night bathroom breaks. And even on the trail desert terrain they work fine. Hey Darwin does the alpaca stretch out over time? Thanks for the great videos.

@Xyrium 3 года назад

Genius on the socks. My son refuses to wear gloves and chooses a pair of socks, he's 6...total hiking prodigy. ;)

@rogervancleave8670 4 года назад

Thanks Darwin! Great info. Curious how your clothing differs for bikepacking? Other than adding some padded shorts, it looks like most of your clothing selections would also work for bikepacking.

@guthixwatcher 4 года назад

Hey darwin I'm doing a section hike this year from damascus to harpers ferry starting at trail days, will I need to worry about much cold weather on top of the mountains since I'll be hiking through june/july? Loved the video!

@alexpretorius92 4 года назад

You bought an Arc’teryx product?! Love their jackets gonna have to check out that shirt though.

@WasatchWill 4 года назад

Just used your budget link for that Frog Togg rain jacket to try out this season after using their UltraLite the last few years (amazingly still no tears, but I'm more a weekend warrior and haven't had to use it very often). Wish I could afford that Vertice, but getting too much other new stuff for this season. If it fails or I don't like it, I'll consider moving up to the Anti-Gravity Gear rain jacket, then start saving up for the Vertice in case I'm still not satisfied with either of the first two.

@xavierleyland8402 4 года назад

Thanks for the video Darwin, Can you let me know the size of the Vertice jacket and pants you're wearing?

@birkins1 4 года назад

I’m a big shorts and tights guy also. Tried it once and never went back! Other than that it’s a pritty similar setup. Patagonia long sleeve capilene t shirt. RAB xenon insulated jacket. And black diamond storm line waterproof And that’s about it. Currently debating a second mid layer like the Patagonia r1 techface hoody.

@b.b.finsclara3589 3 года назад

Darwin i love your videos! Very helpful. It would be so good when you would let us know prices. Helpful. Thanks. Thanks for the advice.

@stevendavis4508 4 года назад

Thx for the list Darwin. Being a tall lanky guy myself is that Vertice rain of yours a medium or large ?

@macmurfy2jka 4 года назад

I really like the Amazon brand Good Threads stretch cotton khaki shorts. They are well constucted, light but with a tight weave that makes them durable and attractive. They have great pockets and are cut really well for activities. For summer into fall. I think they will be my go to shorts from here on.

@brib9716 4 года назад

Thank you for the inserted clip showing yourself shivering to illustrate cold. I wasn't sure what you meant by "cold." :) Also, I don't think Patagonia makes lightweight capiline base layers anymore. They switched to "capiline air" which is very nice. Very light and very warm but I wouldn't recommend hiking in them without something over them like long pants because they're pretty delicate and prone to snagging badly.

@evanschlarb499 4 года назад

I have learned to embrace the fact that I typically end up purchasing 85% of the same gear you use. Thank you for another solid video-

@alanc4264 4 года назад

I prefer snap fasteners to buttons any time, especially when it is cold, much easier to fasten and undo. Not many brands do them in the UK where I live so not much choice. My body shape doesn't lend itself much to fitted shirts, it's not just the waist line but the arms are always too tight. I also like my shirts to have 2 pockets with zip or snap fasteners. One thing not many people seem to think about in relation to bugs. IAccording to what I have researched bugs prefer darker colours so one of my requirement is for a beige coloured shirt instead the darker ones that most brands seem to sell. Thanks for the video great to look at other people's choices and ideas.

@yogistrail9723 4 года назад

Hey Darwin, noticed you're rocking that 6D2 on your thru-40 via a peak designs clip. What are your thoughts on hiking with a DLSR? I'm starting to put together a system similar to yours (5D2 w/ 17-40 or nifty 50) and am thinking of just bringing that system on 2-3 day trips or on trips where weight is not much of a consideration. Do you ever carry a lightweight tri-pod? Thanks Darwin!

@francisc1854 4 года назад

Dude, for shorts check out Brooks Sherpa. Two stretchy (gel pack) pockets on either side fits my phone, snacks, and a pack of smokes (don’t judge). There’s also a obscured zippered pocket in back and yet another inside for a key I guess. They’re my go to shorts now. But yeah those stretchy pouches on the side keep everything nice and tight on me so I’m not worried about losing anything.

@rageoid 4 года назад

Whoa - 5" inseam shorts are almost back to the early 70's running shorts, but not quite ! Budget long sleeve top for sleeping and colder weather is a Champion brand 100% synthetic polyester top from Target, last one I bought was $10.00. I splurged and bought an EE Torrid jacket based on your first video about it - have not been sorry with that purchase at all !

@patrickhasachannel 4 года назад

Darwin, I'll be traveling to Ireland & Iceland this May (2020) and I could use some advice on layering. I'll definitely be investing in those capilene tights and the alpaca hoodie any other advice for layering?

@davidbarclay3651 4 года назад

Have you ever looked into a rain kilt? Works great for summer.

@FyvX5 4 года назад

One garment that is often overlooked, is underwear. After my military service, my choice was “none.” But, after getting (back) into hiking, the need was apparent! My brother, who was hiking a lot of beautiful mountains out in Colorado, told me that, “If you aren’t spending at least $20 on a pair of underwear, you are doing yours and injustice!” I took that advice, and a bit more research and took the plunge. My underwear of choice for hiking is Duluth Buck Naked-Extra Long. I can’t say enough good things about these skivvies!! They wick sweat- prevent chafing- and feel Amazing! To each his/her own...Just my $0.02!

@jeremybingamon1577 4 года назад

Looking into getting into back packiny, right now just a day hiker. Question on when you do multi day hikes and cover a hundred miles or more. How do you get to the start of the trail and back? Rent a car, have someone drop you off or pick you up?

@RobbieZe 3 года назад

Q: How do you use the tights with running shorts with liners? I cut the liners out and use wool boxers when hiking but wondering if I really need the boxers if I could just keep the liner. Anyway, just wondering if that is an uncomfortable combo? Love the vids, always high quality and well thought out.

@stephenaulds2925 4 года назад

Hey Darwin, I've been cruising your channel for a while, and I like your stuff. I wonder if you have a video detected specifically to footwear. I can't seem to find one over the hike channels I've been watching.

@mdb3601 4 года назад

I realize that you tend to go with a long sleeve shirt, but, just to mention it, have you considered the Patagonia Bandito shirt? Ventilation and Snaps. And on a lighter note, as a kid, I grew up in Scotland. Next time you're in Scotland you really need to get a kilt to hike in!! Now that would be a video worth watching. Thank you for all the great videos!

@CallumTash 4 года назад

Anything merino wool is a winner

@DarwinOnthetrail 4 года назад

FO SHO!!! Hike On, Darwin

@chrisbenitez6548 3 года назад

Do you do winter backpacking? I'd be interested to know what your layering system is for the winter time, do you try to keep it relatively ultralight, or just go overboard to stay warm?

@kasianfranmitja5298 4 года назад

How do u do with liner pants? Do they start to smell? Btw, love your content!

@josh5072 3 года назад

I admire you dudes sporting Zpacks Vertice gear as your only hardshell pants/jacket. I would love the weight reduction but just can't bring myself to do it, especially since I use a down jacket that I want to be damn sure stays dry. I use a goretex pro shell and paclite pants. I could get by with thinner options in the Eastern Sierras but bombproof > oz's, at least for now. And, my trips are 5 nights max, so I'm not carrying this stuff thousands of miles. However, I do try to cut weight every trip so I may get there eventually!