My biggest gripe is that they kicked the mc out because they couldn’t “wait” for him to get stronger but yet spending everything after “waiting” for the girl to get stronger
the thing that makes the mc revenge even better is the mc strenth is in magic and seeing as he was so focused on helping others putting his own needs and training his magic got stronger as a result of using it so much on other people but he didnt think of using it on himself because he was so focused on others. in this one way the main guy and the leader of stardust where very much alike but now with est being kicked out hes now lost that side of himself and if that group ever wants to get him back if its ever posable they will have to have a serious talk about all the problems both before and after the break up
The difference is in what waiting means for them. The guy kicked out, while invaluable was also one big weak spot for the party due to his inability to fight by himself. But if they continued facing weaker enemies where a failure on his part wouldn't result in a tpk he wouldn't be pushed enough to make progress. By going on without him they can evolve in weaker areas and become a more stable party all around.
Real issue seems to be that the party goes all in on supporting her dream, like it doesn’t matter that it was her and Este’s dream together. They chose to give up supporting his part of that dream and even when Athena seemed weak and struggling, they didn’t give up on her like they did Este. So they still mostly suck and I get why Este would hate them now.
if i started a group with a friend, a true friend, i would never kick them out. i may shift things around and maybe find them a different role, but will never kick them out.
Est as is was just as much of a liability as he was an asset. His abilities that allowed the party to punch above their level also made him into one giant weak spot that would lead to a tpk if he were taken out. Continuing the current formation of the party was just plain dangerous and as the one who was handling the support, he SHOULD know this.
that's what I'm saying, and there always was the possibility that he could have a surge in power. I also don't like the fact that they acknowledged that Athena can't even fight properly but it never acquires to them that maybe that's a sign to start from ground 0
It's even worse than that, because of what they did they killed his reputation, so the only people that would then on join him would exploit him fully even with his death.
Why would they with the own rules they set up or supposedly set up? He was about to get killed like she was worried about until they pulled something out of their ass and suddenly he's a boss. I'm interested to see the reason he can now buff himself.
@@chucknorris2418 That was something I was hoping they would explain more than they already did, It's like MC does not even care why anymore ether. My one thought was he was injured and he touched his blood allowing him too. Basically other people he could touch and establish a link to enhance them but for himself he couldn't cause it was all apart of himself, but the blood then would be his but no longer apart of him allowing a link to be established and once it's established he can always go back to it. Sloppy theory I know but the best I could come up with the info at hand which is as much as a fart in the wind.
Even if Est is the "villain" here, I'm on his side. The people that you are closest to turn their backs on you while tossing you away like trash, and when you start to see them struggling after you are kicked out while you're doing well, you have to be pretty happy because they deserve everything that comes their way. What Stardust could've and should've done was either communicate that they want to kick him for his safety as they don't want him to die, or the better option, teach him how to defend himself.
@@gaofengwetony2139 The way the writer portrays him, it feels like the writer is trying to make him look like the antagonist after he was able to start doing better without his old team. And that's why I placed the quotes on the villain part as I don't feel he is a villain, and has every right to mock and humiliate his old team since they dropped the ball so badly. And all they had to be was clear on their communication and not appear to be a bunch of assholes.
@@Devilhand21and then there's Daru. Est walked in on him and Hina in a compromising position and naturally misunderstood and left. Daru obviously hasn't told Hina Est came by and is doing his own thing without talking to his party members. Daru acts wise but most of the misunderstanding is caused by him giving bad advice or not properly helping to explain things despite being older than all of them. The lesbian girl for the most part could also be holding back cause we haven't seen how she fights yet or what role she plays but you'd think she'd do her best to make sure Hina doesn't get injured with how obsessed she is with her
@@Devilhand21I see your point but he lost the moral high ground at this point. They're trying to be happy for him and yet he's clearly Doing all this out of nothing but spite. Not to better himself just for himself but Just to get back at the girl he thinks betrayed him she did betray their dream but she did it for him Not just for herself.
From his point of view it would seem fake. They kicked him out, assasinated his character, hook up behind his back, and then suddenly are friendly and supportive? It feels like 2 faced friends smiling in your face while praying on your downfall. They're literally all sharing 1 braincell. He doesn still have moral high ground because they could just be honest! Thats literally it! Nothing short of that will take high ground from him. Daru not telling hina. He walked in on them is hurting them.hina not telling him shes just worried is hurting them. This is pure misunderstanding but the miscommunication is all on them. They honestly deserve worse.
I just love the blatant double standard. When Est struggles to keep up with the group they kick him out. But when Athena struggles they suddenly have all the patience in the world and are willing to do anything to help her.
There is no double standard here. Athena was struggling because she was in the process of unlearning her old habits from fighting with Est. Est struggled because he himself couldn't fight for shit and presumably, any attempt they made to help him improve didn't work. Athena's issues were able to be worked out in a relatively safe environment. Est's weakness actively put the entire party in danger.
@@samuelsoliday4381 WRong, so did Daru helping dragon girl and mage girl. Est was indanger because they went to levls above their league BECAUSE EST's support allowed them to. Without EST they got no support and got in danger far more than with Est.
@@leiviniabirdway5945 You've got it backwards. Est granting them the ability to fight above their levels, actually made his own weakness that much more dangerous. If Est got taken down in a tough fight, and the party had to deal with the sudden drop in performance mid-battle, it would've caused the entire party to wipe out. That's what I mean when I said he was putting the party in danger. The party formation was unstable and basically made Est into one giant weak spot. Even if they got injured more after he left, their lives were actually in LESS danger after kicking him out than before.
This girl actually has room temp IQ. If Est didnt have plot armor he easily could have died trying to achieve their dream on his own and she would have caused exactly what she tried to prevent with her betrayal.
@@ExodusCore 1. She's kicking him out and moving forward with it without him, if she discarded the idea all together then fine but she didn't so spare me the "jUsT a kId's pRoMiSE" nonsense. 2. She didn't just kick him out, if she said "We are sorry but we fear for your safety" and explained why and continued to check up on him that might have hurt but he would have understood it especially since we find out that he already knew he was lacking in power/skill after they kicked him out. Instead she as the closest person in his life completely crushed his spirit and discarded him. You have to be dense or have room temp IQ to say that Est is the problem and the emotional abuser here when from his perspective the only people he had threw him away like he was nothing. And the misunderstanding later only made it significantly worse.
This is bs. They made him hate them on purpose. When he got hurt they expelled him. When she nearly died they just "start over snd try harder". Est is not crazy the other members knew he liked her and she lijed him and they bith liked Athen asnd now are making moved on her, and the swordsmn purposefully didnt tell her abiut the misunderstanding to make him seem even crazier.this aint for me, this is just pissing me off
I m surprised they banished est to “protect” him even tho his role is support which is most important for a team but wow he used it as motivation and became strong 💪🏾
Est is weak and got injured : let's kick him out and call him useless Athena got weaker without buffs: let's train to regain our strength the new dragon girl can't work with the team properly: let's teach her Apparently training/teaching stuff isn't a option when Est is involved.
It's explained in the first 3 minutes. This entire thing was because Athena panicked he might die after he got hurt really bad one time. They phrased it as him holding them back to get him to leave, but then as soon as he's gone talk about the real reason that he might die waiting to get strong enough. Contrast what the two of them did after an issue. He went into the dungeons and would have gotten himself killed if not for skill breakthrough ex machina. She got severely injured and took time off to recover, then eased herself back into battle to not overdo it. And when the dragon girl was ruining their team mojo, they kept to weaker dungeons until it was worked out. The difference here was that Est was careless and they knew he wouldn't play it safe until he was ready.
@@Merennullithe difference is that they choose not to reassess the teams strengths and weaknesses to adapt or improve everyone even Est but when he left that’s when they seemed to want to do that with Frey.
@@Merennulli Nope, Est getting hurt previously in the party was the frontliner's faults. If a backline support gets hurt, it's the failure of the front line in not protecting their backline. Also, by all rights, Athena should have died when she was mortally wounded there. Without the sword dude, she would have been killed. And without the healing, she may have died as well even if the wolves were taken care of.
@@goodhunter1555 That's a popular saying, but it's flatly false. In normal circumstances, attacks can always bypass a frontline even if the frontline performs perfectly (too many opponents, projectiles, or being surrounded or flanked for example), so it's not even true normally. But it's especially false when the backloner refuses to stay in the back line.
No, it's not a problem so long as the character is female. Fairly certain, the Swordsman was aiming for an actual harem in this case no matter how the writer tried to spin it.
I really find this shit stupid, because like they could have trained him and help him get stronger, but nooo they thought the best route was to leave him by himself to figure out a way to survive and now they're butt hurt that he came back stronger and better than them, and Garu has the gaul to say that at the end instead of telling Est why they did that, like wtf. Idk this shit just really pisses me off bro.
Creative writing technique number 4, have characters make the wrong decision and jump to the wrong conclusions whenever possible to increase the level of tension/drama. Make what would be a 5 minute story in to an impressive 50 hours!
Also also did she really think that Est wouldn't continue adventuring because since he has like no other way to live, mean that if he was weak when he was with them and he could have died by himself which would defeat the purpose of kicking him, like bitch you really are dumb. Also it kind of pissed me off that she gets mad when people make fun Est, but like bitch no shit he's the weakest and y'all didn't care, and also they kicked out the support unit, like how are you this restarted like no shit you're weak without him. Also again why not help him get stronger or something like bitch you're the leader look out for your team like WTF.
thats my thought too. when est cast that magic on himself for the first time i think it looked pritty clear he didnt think about casting the buff spells on himself. he was so focused on the girl he likes he didnt think of his own combate development and just took any roll to try to impress the girl. if they only helped him for a change instead of thinking he would as some in the gameing comunity would say [ get good ] they would have been an even better team but nooo they wanted to take the easy way and just replace him . as for the misunderstanding . est was a childhood friend of the girl and she didnt notice his atemps throw deeds to impress her and the guy looks like the typical jock that breaks laws and would most times get the girl . think of it this way . if you saw empty bottles of wine and the jock leaning over a good looking girl what would you think ? it was ether 1 they ran into big problems in there job or 2 there celebrating and looking for your replacement . also est is right to be mad at being kicked out after all he did for the group and the thanks he gets is being kicked out
Honestly I think all four of these characters are morons. None of them are honest with each other. The 3 people that did the banishing decided to not elaborate and be honest with the real reason they banished him, and the kid that was banished is Letting his emotions cloud his judgment and has now allowed his new power and fame to change him for the worst and It's all just so he can be spiteful.
I love how things get turned around for Est, his friends betrayal made him strong, while their suffering made them humble, and now everything they wanted will become his. This is what happens when you keep the people you love in the dark.
I m surprised after they kicked Est, he become strong and he did it solo while the party is not having a great time plus the dragon girl has great combat and strength but she lacks coordination
@@kingjaydenmvpthey kicked him out cause they thought he was too weak to fight but forgot that they were relying on him to buff them heal their injuries and carry their stuff as well as take care of chores. It was till a fight after kicking him out did they realise how much he did in the party and a new random member wasn't gonna do the stuff he did in the same way. What's worse is the other dude in the party could use healing magic and was stronger than they thought but kept his abilities hidden because he wanted to take things slowly so was willing to put the party in danger because of that. And the other girl who's obsessed with the party leader and doesn't do anything to help the other members of anything the other 2 should have been kicked out for keeping their real strength purposefully hidden
@@Marcus-oc4mw your statement is pretty interesting i have to say i m not offended or anything i think i m getting it but i have to say for the group that they have to work on trusting each other and contribute to their full potential of becoming true adventurers but i like your point
That's because it isn't that kind of a story. This story is trying to show a different side of this kind of thing. Est was not kicked out because he was weak, he was kicked out because he was a bad fit for the party. Even if he gave them buffs and heals, he couldn't keep up which actually put him and the whole party in danger. Take note of that Dragonnewt girl. She is super strong but she would be useless to the party if she couldn't actually work with them. So it ins't about the party being "humbled". They knew all along that they would suffer for kicking out their healer/buffer. But it was still the right choice in the long run. So while they are suffering now, they will be able to reach higher after suffering a bit. Meanwhile Est is rising quickly, but once he reaches his plateau, unless he can actually fix his original problem (being able to work properly in a team) he will lose and probably end up getting injured beyond recovery or worse.
I have mist up on plot twist : What if Daru is Est but form future Come back in this past time trying fix his mistake but find out he became " Daru " and Couldn't change anything form past if fate telling him you Consequences for trying Change time line
@@Digdiga That actually could have redeemed the story. Have everyone leave Daru in disgust and join Est's new party with him taking Daru's role after he gets stronger and learns how to be a leader away from them and he goes back to being a drunkard.
@@missoxiagalaxy That would have been a better story. I read the whole Raw, it looks like author is no longer writing after CH 63.. It explains everyone's perspective, Dale is a real asshole in this one, but try to look like the Good guy. He is investing so much in Athena that he did wanted Est out of the party because Athena reminded him of his old flame that died and thought that Est was getting in the way. Athena didn't care for Est feelings, she wanted Dales attention because she had a "Hunch" that he was the Adventurer that saved her and Est when they were kids, from monsters. Athena also felt jealous when Dale give a slight attention to another girl. That is why she was so willing to recruit Dale, even after he refused a lot. While she didn't care for Est and basically booted him out after that incident.
Athena is a horrible party leader. She selfishly chose to destroy est's hopes and dreams because she couldn't just nut up and be better next time. She chose to be weak and take the easy way out. And what would have happened if est didn't manage to get that miraculous power up when he did? They would have found his corpse or a piece of his gear and everything she did and said would have been for nothing. No, it would have been worse because she would have driven him to his death with her selfish choice. And daru didn't even tell Athena about what happened when est came back and saw them in a compromising position to forewarn her of the fallout that might happen from it. Everyone in that stupid party suck at communicating or thinking about consequences. And that moron tried to drag her up to him instead of picking her up from the side.
Personally I think this should have been either a "we kicked him out and he got everything he ever wanted and we only ever became midling to low high tier" type story or a tragedy. If it was a tragedy then it should have gone something like this. Daru would have been his lazy self until a biiig time monster event happens and he loses an arm, the loli wizard completely loses her ability to cast magic, dragon girl rushes in and dies, and Athena is severely injured and about to be killed by this endgame boss monster. Then est comes in and kills it, but is mortally wounded in the process and the party has to watch as all this happens. Then as he lays dying, they drag themselves to him and beg for him to live and apologize. But by this point it's far too late, and he refuses to allow daru to even try to heal him, tells them he hates them and why, and asks was it worth it? Did things work out how you were hoping? Are you happy with your choices? They can't answer him and he dies laughing a sad, bitter, little laugh. The ending would be daru has to retire and set up a small clinic to use his healing magic to get by and kinda just fades away knowing he really screwed everything up by being lazy and refusing to step up earlier, the little mage girl has to find some menial job that she can do now that she can't cast magic and has lost Athena's affections completely due to her not doing the best she could and making sure her "rival" est was out of the party and never showing any remorse or regret for what they did, and Athena trying vainly to keep her promise to est now and reaching the top spot as an adventurer but always failing until finally giving up and fading into obscurity knowing that one extremely foolish and selfish decision ruined every hope and dream she and her party however had. And the one person she loved so very much died hating her in misery after reaching the peak of the word, doing something she couldn't, only after he suffered so much because of her bad decision. She lives with that as a hermit or lonely lady for the rest of her life. Either of those would have been better in my book. The first would have them have to watch as he surpasses them and finds happiness and they have to settle for never truly reaching where they wanted to be, and the latter gets dark and really punishes them for what they did. Either way they suffer for their bad decisions, one is just way worse.
@@dannygarcia9828this is kind of what happens except est lives and he starts his own party well Athena dies on a dungeon crawl and the rest of her party just splits up
"Miss Athena, do you remember that guy you just kicked out yesterday in order to protect him? Well... He tried to show that you were wrong about him and... he has been killed by a monster. Sorry."
Imagine this was a one shot, same plot, same characters, only Est dies eaten by monsters because he didn't have an awakening, Athena found out the worst way possible because she found his clothes in a Black Market, and decides to look for him, only to find out he died, she went back to her hometown, never to adventure again, Est's parents blame her for their son's death, because even if they don't know the details, they entrusted their son to her.
@@robertsuarez8000 Nah not a one shot. I'd want a few chapters of just a focus on the team. Cut out everything related to Est. Not even the tropey drunk/cheating scene. They have their big group hug in chapter 15, I think they're on, and months have passed. Then when they're in the adventurer's guild to take a new quest something that triggers a flashback for a few pages to the first quest she did with Est and it brings a smile to her face. Then she hears some muttering about her guild to snap her back to reality and, "Oh yeah that Est guy? What a loser he died the day after Stardust kicked him out to some random goblins outside of the labyrinth. Good riddance he was just dead weight and they made the right choice to drop him." Her entire plan failed from the get go and while she's been absorbed in her own group/self-pity she didn't even know that her childhood friend passed. Then continue on with your ending. I like it. Edit: Twist it even more, Daru knew the whole time and didn't tell Athena.
I want a fanfic if this, well different versions, one where he died and found out months later. The ratings were so bad author rushed the novel and I have not read it was tempted to. So it got axed. Anyways, the other, fanfic I'd like to see where Est after he realizes the team cares about him and thus kick him out. Est softens a little but not forgiven. I would like for Est to call them out but I think he is broken. And some third character aside from his new companions that befriends Est slowly realizing something doesn't add up and calls out the ex party members. Their gaslighting, Athena's failure to express her feelings earlier, Daru's failure to notify Athena and Est of misunderstanding, Daru and the Elf girl's failure to protect Est give that its revealed that they are stronger but keep it hidden, failure to train Est the way they trained the dragon girl and Athena after Est mocks them (while wouldn't condone rubbing in the face, they deserved it. Oh but he is too mean but it's okay for them to call out Est, the freaking gaslighting in story). Oh and their lack of apology. "You caused your quote in quote former friend great amount of mental harm, you failed to communicate the reasons and almost brought him to death alone in some dungeon and your probably wouldnt have known about it. You Darus failed to address the misunderstandings between you and Athena, you failed to protect him when it turns out how powerful the two of the members of you are. Why didn't you offer to train Est like you did Frey. None of you have apologized to him, you still think it's his fault. When he's angry at you all he's a villain but when you do it oho your all in the right. I can't believe you idiots walk among us. Especially you Darus, you're the adult here..." *Goes on to whatever else needs to be said* Oh and this is formed a crowd who overhears it too. I would love to see how Darus, Athena, and the Elf girl reacts to heavy truths of their incompetence.
To be fair to them, spellcasters are typically known to be the least guarded in terms of defenses. Armor tends to be hindering for them, and they’re not normally known to use weapons all too often, and the ones they normally can use by RPG rules tend to not exactly be the strongest. Physically they tend to be at disadvantages, which is why they’re normally set up in the rear of parties for the most part. With the MC’s presumed inability to actually enchant himself, it put him in an even bigger disadvantage in terms of defending himself, and that’s something a party would have to worry about a lot. If anything, I mainly appreciate that we actually got some noble intentions from the party this time around, rather than them kicking him out strictly due to taking him for granted, not understanding his value, or being jealous of him. This was done more so out of concern than anything, though the MC also has good reason to feel hurt by this
I honestly don't really understand why it's justified. It's just like an actual job his performance wasn't catching up with the work ethic therefore he needed to be fired. Not to mention this was a extremely deadly job and was only done for his own safety. Instead of some other stupid reason for the majority of these stories.
@@MarcusDortch-Staten You actually have a good point, I didn't think it that way, but in my opinion he didn't deserve it, he is just a enchanter who isn't specialized on offensive , it was the team members job to make him safe. They failed to do so and as a result he got banished. That's unfair even his childhood friend didnt support him much. Once again I respect your opinion.
@@MarcusDortch-StatenTrue, but when it's people you consider to be your friends, you think they would train with him outside of the dungeons, lift him up. If they valued him and his contributions, they could have invested their time in shoring up his weaknesses rather than cast him aside. There are other stories of this type, and while they aren't the worst party to expell the MC, they still deserved the man's bitterness and anger.
6:10 defeats the reason for throwing Est away. Instead of being straight up with him and helping him train more to become someone who can survive they throw him away on some egotistical morality bs, then when Hina gets injured they decide to "restart over again from the bottom, because we're a party!(That's just what friends do edition!)" the author wants you to think they care but the reasoning behind their actions are really sloppy and hypocritical, which makes them seem like it's weaponized incompetence. EDIT: and then she went and tried to make small talk after the fact without considering how upset he might still be...
Dude, come off it. The party formation at the time NEEDED to change, but it wouldn't because it was working. Est's support allowed the party to punch above their weight class, but his inability to fight himself turned this into a double edged sword. If he fell in the middle of battle, that drop in performance you people seem to see as "karma" would've lead to everyone dying. Est, in that state was an active danger to the party at large.
@@samuelsoliday4381 come off what? I never mentioned karma either. I see you're stance, the party COULD just kick him out, but my problem with it is that they never even entertained the thought of helping pull Est up. The leader's reasoning was that they needed to become the greatest party and wanted to continue fighting stronger foes and taking on more difficult missions. to that end Est wasn't strong enough, I get that. They weren't going poor or hungry or otherwise desperate for funds and two people on their team are secret endgame badasses, they could have easily slowed it down and helped him learn a new method of fighting. I'm saying so because he didn't take long to learn that new ability (Maybe a week or two) so he was either already close to learning it or it's a plot contrivance. They act like they're doing him a favor by pretending they never liked him(Which would hurt most people that consider you an ally), then the leader has the nerve to try and talk to him like nothing's happened later on. Even if Est still ended up leaving, it could've been on more amicable terms than what it was but the lack of social accountability on the group's part made the situation what it became. When Hina realises the party's taken a hit from losing Est's buffs she cries about not being as strong as she thought she was and realizes that she needs to become stronger. The other two are perfectly ok with supporting her as she gets stronger, despite being her childhood friend and trusted ally, Est was not given this opportunity, that is why it's hypocritical, because she makes the point of saying they can't wait for him to catch up but they end up waiting for her anyway.
@@hydehg1441 It's not hypocritical when you actually take a look at the timeline. They already foresaw the drop in performance with Athena. They were prepared for it and were ready to help her move past it since they knew what the problem was. Est had been with the party from the start but hadn't shown any growth in the time they were together. They couldn't have helped him grow in lower areas because then the battles wouldn't be difficult enough to push him. And they couldn't do it with stronger monsters because then it would just be the same issue they were already in. The gap in their skills, especially with his buffs was to large to fix while they were in the same party. This separation NEEDED to happen in order to form a more stable party. The only thing they did wrong was their delivery. That's it.
@@samuelsoliday4381 Est and Athena were the first two members and then the other two joined a couple months later. They started shooting up the ranks quickly, so by the time Est is kicked out it probably hasn't even been a full year yet, probably 9-10 months total. Daru the swordsman says they should wait and give him some time to grow, but Athena doesn't want to wait. My take away is that Daru wanted to wait because his opinion as a seasoned veteran was that Est could still grow in a reasonable timeframe. considering it was only a couple weeks later Est learned that self buff skill, he was probably on point. Athena was pushing too fast and didn't want to or didn't consider slowing down and just jumped to "Est will die!!" this is a shortcoming in her leadership. It makes her look impatient, and she WAS being impatient there. The hypocritical part is that she didn't see a problem with kicking him out, saying they "can't wait" but they ended up taking extra time anyway and we're now down a member on top of that. How fast was Est supposed to break his limits? that's unfair. EDIT: nvm it wasn't weeks later that he unlocked the ability to self buff, I rewatched it was soon after he was kicked out.
@@hydehg1441 You can't use hindsight to prove a point here. Would you still be saying it was a mistake if Est never gained the ability to boost himself?
I'll be honest this story really ticked me off. The party is incredibly stupid to kick him out. They hurt him For the stupidest reason so they deserve every bit of crap they get. I even know the ending and still it's not satisfying. There needed to be a proper reconciliation instead of this hap.Hazard garbage
@@gotanon9659funny u say that considering they doing nothing but struggling without him while he's dominating labyrinths solo so get a clue on who will die without 😂
It always seems super fake with how the dismantlement and kicking from parties go. Wording is important and you learn how to word things to sound enticing to the other members when you’ve done enough missions together. If being the enchanted was such a risky job, positioning would’ve been key. Even if an enchanted can’t fight back, adding another to take the place as the head support would’ve been the best scenario. Then you could keep tabs on your beloved enchanted and have the necessary protection you seek for the party member. All n all, the leader is quite a novice. Every party member is risking there lives, holding one above the others is not how parties are made
Not just that but supports no matter how they are are crucial for becoming successful after all any person who has played a strategic game can understand the value of a support
this, i hate how the this is probably the first time he got hurt. he realized he was weak when it came to actual battles so he even worked harder as it was stated, but because of the leaders obsession with him and his health he was kicked out to "keep him safe" which from what we actually saw if he didn't get the ability to enchant himself he would have died without a doubt.
@@oldsport1148 That’s always my shtick with the “To protect you, I’m kicking you.” Trope. It’s be better to , and I know how it sounds, getting a better strategy for protecting the weak links, aka, Git Gud
@@Gammaburst1298 You forget one thing. Someone dying while you are responsible for their life vs when you are not hits differently thus while you are waiting to git gud that person might die and now that death is on you. Easier to kick them out and absolve yourself of any responsibility not that it'll matter much after they die if they are your friend because it's gonna hurt either way.
this is a good story poorly executed. it has promise and is a break from the dime-a-dozen 'weak MC gets harshly kicked out of party then gets stupid OP and humiliates them later' trope but it doesn't really hit the mark anywhere important. if i were to have this remade i'd have had them suspend him from the party instead of kick him out that way he's still a member just not joining them on missions. that way he still get his character arc and we still get to see the party have to deal with him not being around and facing the new addition.
Yup. Instead what the mangaka succeeded in doing was having people root for Est instead when the mangaka was trying to make him essentially the villain.
Spoilers: I read a bit further and I think Est is going to be made into the villain. Doru comes off as a good guy but I think he wanted Est out because Athena and the other girl reminded him of his old team. He’s not even tried to remedy the problem with that drunken night with Est nor has he told Athena about it. He may not be evil himself but he’s got a very hidden selfish personality underneath.
Most recent chapters Doru and Est reconcile, and he explained the misunderstanding. Both now have parties. Whether or not anyone approaches Athena is anyone's guess, but at the very least, she should be forced to explain her actions to Eat.
I hope he get resolute or cool power devil king f the kingdome and rule to eternity… EST was betrayed…. They should teach him or at least be honest… tough love create this kind of situation
Est has the right to make them regret because they kicked him and they thought EST is useless but EST is not useless EST is like a support or a tank protecting his teammates without a support the team would be Shattered So EST has that the right to get revenge for what they done even if the want him back Sheesh
@@gotanon9659 you mean a support class focusing on supporting the party and relying on the damage dealers to deal damage. It's almost like he's literally the only one in the party that understood his role.
he doesnt, from what i saw, the older dude is actually the mc, ppl told me from the novel that they actually get in good terms later on, but est doesnt rejoin, he pursues his dream of being the strongest apart from them, and apparently the older guy forms a harem in the party(?)
Man I will send death threats to Author if he made Est die because of his will to surpass Athena's party. (Okay , sending death threats to Author was just a joke)
I will admit, if Est wins, it be your typical "kicked out of a party" story many writers been doing lately. I will admit it is unique seeing the perspective of the other team as a focus.
@@keenari0470 nah old man gets the useless baggage that's the old party MC meets up with two girls later on who actually want to support and understand him because they both know what being looked down on is like. SADLY this doesn't get shown alot because the old man is the actual MC and it focus more on they dumb party and him
11:15 Can you blame Est for turning evil at this moment? From Est's perspective, expelled from the party he co-founded, being called worthless by said party and now the girl he loved is with the other male member of their party. I'd be doing exactly what Est is doing in this situation.
That's why I can't see Daru as anything but the villain in this, even though the author is portraying him as the almost mary sue main character. From Est's point of view, despite all the effort he put in to be helpful to the party, he was tossed away like trash and berated (seriously, the way the had him leave the party was idiotic. They could have just explained things to him and removed him from the party on amicable terms). Daru then goes on to "steal his girl" so to speak, and creates several misunderstandings with Est that he never makes any effort to clear up, driving Est down the path of revenge because he's been treated, in his mind, so unfairly and unjustly by them; something that could have been avoided if Daru wasn't such an asshole to him. Then Daru even has the audacity to say that he "doesn't regret what he's done". Daru is also revealed to have been lying to the team this whole time by hiding his true power for some reason. It's ridiculous. The concept of showing the other side of the "banished from party" trope is interesting, but I absolutely hated the way this author went about it. I honestly can't say I enjoyed reading this; mainly because I can't stand Daru as a character. Somehow, every "nice" thing he does just serves to make me more upset.
I felt like the the leader would have sat down and had a conversation with the mc things could have been cleared up, but then again we down know why the mc power started to work for him. The downfall could have been avoided if they challenge them self, or have days where the cleared the dungeon with out enchantments( hard mode on easier floors)
You guys really shouldnt read this garbage so ill spoil it for you. Theres probably some people invested in the story so i hate to break it to you but its REALLY bad. -Est never gets his revenge moment and is painted as the bad guy of the story. -Daru makes the party his harem. And is shown as the good guy MC. -The ending is Est apologizing to his former party. -Athena is never filled in on the misunderstanding and daru gaslights everyone still -Athena never had feelings for Est The author left the project and new people or person is writing for it. It should be memory holed. Even the author didn't know what they wanted.
Est's heart is broken, I know the feeling very well. Don't forget he still wanted to go back after expelled but came to the conclusion that he is NTRed.We all should know the pani and alsoI am rooting for him to become the deserved MC.
This one seems to be going the route of just switching who the bad guy is in this scenario. The party is the MC, Est is the villain. He'll be played the way the parties are when this trope is played straight - he'll either go out in a blaze of ego, or he'll be humbled and wish them well as they go their separate ways. I would like to see one where everyone is a rational, non-ego-maniacal person, and accepts an apology. "I got banished from the party, but I'm still dating the leader" or something.
Unfortunately this is a trash story. So the guy gets kicked out for being weak and later is extremely strong. Sounds good? Well the thing is the other male is the actual MC and he is much stronger than what he shows but not only do they kick the supposed MC out of the party, the other male starts acting like he is the sensible one out of everyone and slowly has the female leader and the new member of the group fall for him. So yeah this crap will slowly turn into a NTR.
Actually looking at the story, I see why it has such a bad reputation. Trying to keep this comment as spoiler free as possible, but prepare for some REALLY convoluted and boneheaded decisions on a lot of aspects and problems. Better way to put it, it's like chopping down a tree just to get one leaf from it. Not a satisfying payoff AT ALL.
So it is completed? How many chapters does it drag through? ...normally I'd just try to check it myself, but I'm really not feeling it this seems like a skip everything and read the last 3 chapters to spare yourself from the high drama, bad decision, jumping to conclusions that have been one after another in this recap.
a long long time ago, in a game far far away... ok, it was wow, I used to que up for the random dungeons as a tank since you where almost guaranteed a instant dungeon. I got one dungeon where the other participants unbeknownst to me where all friends. One of them was a hunter and he decided my pulls where to slow for his liking so he started using misdirection on me and pulling more groups down on me. So I did a kick vote to get rid of him since he refused to stop his antics. It failed and they all laughed in chat saying that the where all friends and they would never kick their friend out. I told them "Enjoy waiting for another tank" and I left I don't know how it is now, but if you didn't que up as a tank or a healer DPS hand insanely long que times
Unless your healer and supporter is Leroy Jenkins. Which, from what they said about why they kicked him out after he left, how he acted after getting kicked out, seems to have been the case. When everyone else struggled, they took it slow and fought on weaker floors. When he went off on his own he nearly got killed immediately and was only saved by his skill evolving at the perfect time. The mistake they made was not realizing he'd keep being Leroy Jenkins without the party.
@@dankdaze42069 No cheating becayse they werent in a relationship, but the old guy is certainly slowly slowly getting with the female warrior there as you can see So more of betrayal between ex friends/ companions, while the Female warrior betrayed his childood friend not more in the feeling way, but because she can not trust and wait a little him becoming stronger 🙄 edit SPOILER from orginal novel👇 Later the older guy will entry in a relationship and make an harem of the party 😓
@@aleger620 so just crushing his feelings or did she not even let him know about it cuz there's gray area where it's not exactly cheating but it's still not cool and shouldn't be done and they usually just rub it in the MC's face
I will tell you the ending est becomes the strongest but the parties reconcile and become friends and as for Athena and the old dude no romance happens but est does gets his chance and reconciles with Athena but they remain separate parties and rivals.Thats the end which means athena x est happens but very late.
Athena only cares about her friends safety? Hey Daru, Miralia, What happens when you become Weak? Will she kick you out of the party too? All in this together because we are a party. I guess she only cares about her true friends...
Man they talk shit on him and expect him to be nice. Like I get for his own good but you don’t abandon someone like that. It’s not his fault they can’t communicate how is supposed to to act. I don’t like how the writer is taking there side I will not watch part 2 tbh I can tell the writer like the group more.
Dara is the villain bro clearly manipulating everyone. He never shared what happened that night to everyone, when est saw them and had a misunderstanding. He came that night to tell them he has become stronger and can fight side by side with them. But dara was there " Oh what a cutie" I need to put her in bed slowly very slowly... And he's the mc is dara the f**kin manipulator. Est is not wrong. They just suddenly decided to kick est. Atleast tell him, its for his safety. He would try harder and returned as a stronger person.
Hard to feel sorry for the main party when they brought that on themselves, and most of them aren’t even likable (especially the mage girl, she’s the worst of the bunch)!
Horrible story good idea huh? The made Est seem like the bad guy while Daru is good. I mean YOU kicked him out without properly explaining to him, Daru seems generic and i guess the author will let Ethena and Daru be in a relationship. It is a waste not to have Est as the mc since the development of his char will be much better than whatever the author is cooking. I would love to read a story where Est slowly realize that they meant good for him and later on come back with them not some “Yeah Est now cokcy, Est bad, Daru protected Ethena, Ethena loves Daru” bullshit
Especially that the ties between Est and Athena are severed, but could be healed if Daru did the right thing and call out the misunderstood, but since he fell for Athena that night, he will do what he can to keep her with him.
Kinda wish Est wasn't being made to be the villain. Like instead of him finding his own power and being arrogant I would have just made it to wear he builds up his skills surprisingly quick but has cut off almost all emotions but leave just a bit of room for resentment. If thebparty tries to talk to him, he'll completely ignore them or limit his responses to just 3 to 5 words
this is going to get axed so fast by making the person who got betrayed as the villain, literally just makes it a story of a guy who gets cucked, yeah that will get sales /s
If they actually focused the tiniest amount of attention towards training and helping Est. Then the party would have been unstoppable. But instead chose to put all their energy into fake female protagonist. They deserve their downfall
yeah i hate daru such a shit character you can tell he's just gonna use whatever he cant to get her to the top even taking away, Est love interest in front of him like some NTR charecter which i hate the most.
Thing is Daru is making Est into the villain. If your best friend kicked you out of the startup business that you started together and then started going after the girl that he knew you had feelings for and also kept the girl in the dark about what was going on causing confusion wouldn’t you be rather bitter about it?
I got to say, I was kind of hoping for more. It was very refreshing to follow the original party too and not do the stereotypical 'betrayal' jerk members. But any kind of redemption arc falls apart when the author tries to make the MC seem evil, and then make readers pity the original party. Could have literally gotten out of the party it does another ways, and they pick the most emotional scarring for everyone. And now I'm supposed to feel bad for them? Cold wet pasta is the best way I can describe the feeling
This is kinda poorly executed ngl. The main characters are insufferable because they refused to communicate properly with Est while being hypocritical about their own failings, while readers can't help but be sympathetic towards the "villain" because he essentially got betrayed by the people he considered closest to him from his POV. Edit* After reading the comments, I came to the conclusion that this might actually be ass. The MC is Daru/Dale and it got revealed later on that he has a thing for Athena and he did want to push Est out of the party. Athena also wanted to kick Est out of the party because she has a thing for Dale/Daru and didn't want to hurt Est. Dale/Daru apparently slowly built a harem out of the party members. All in all, just a bad idea to make Dale/Daru and the rest of his party the main characters since they're all terrible people.
Man i read this, the ending was such dog shit. Hell the whole premise of the story was dog shit. The glaring issues i had was they kicked Est out of the party cause they cant wait for him to become stronger and they dont want him to die, but when he was kick out Athena became significantly weak and all of sudden Daru decides to train her and they now have all the time in the world for Athena to catch up? Eh? Nani the fuck? Couldn't they have just done this for Est and not kick the poor boy out of the party? Another gripe I had was Daru and Miria the elf mage girl were actually OP, like waaay more OP than Athena and Frey but yet hid that fact which was fine. But if they were OP why did they let the situation with Est get so out of control that he almost died and they just stood there? But when Athena life is in danger they suddenly become beast mode and turn into Army of one? This situation that made Athena kick out Est in the first place was cause he almost died, I mean if Daru and Miria protected him which they could easily cause like i said they are OP as hell then this whole thing could've been avoided. But Daru preaches about teamwork and covering your team mates fml man where was that when Est almost died? The ending holy shit it is the most garbage oh that's how it was, my bad for causing a misunderstanding let bygones be bygones situation, and that was it jesus christ on bike im having an aneurysm thinking back on this. Anyways sorry for the long wall of text but 3/10 for this whole series.
@@RRGAMES-yx5cj Est realised it was all misunderstanding and basically apologised to Athena and vice versa, Athena also apologised for keeping the reason of kicking him out since she was blinded by glory. After that they go their seperate ways vowing to each other that both their parties will be the very best essentially becoming rivals helping each other grow stronger. Literally that's the ending it is so dog shit
@citrusquill7609 thank you with all my heart for spoiling this piece of shit story cause holy shit that's some hot garbage. Fuck it's just a spoiler and that still makes me mad.
It has a 3/10 rating on mangadex i can see why, mc's are dumbasses, est is the better character to be the mc but instead he's the villain, I'm rooting for est
We’re kicking you out because you’re the weakest member of the party and we don’t want you to die. Well now that he’s gone she is the weakest member of the party, but they are gonna support her and start over from the beginning. Really weird logic.
Who wrote this trash? I was hoping for a revenge story revolving around EST but instead it's focused on the party and an almost love story between the ones that betrayed him. I was hoping he'd be the main character. What a let down.
What did they expect when they decided to kick the support member? They was relying on him so much that they forgot that they are weaker without him Party without support is like a soccer team without a goal keeper 💀
I didn't like this much. Est was hurt in an incredible way, but not a whole lot came from it. Yeah, Est got strong and they got weak, but they had each other in that time and Est was abandoned and alone. He finds party members later, sure, but they just keep getting happier after what is seemingly a small setback from Est being thrown out. He has to suffer until he gets those new party members.
This would of been a good story if the old man wasn't the mc, personally i say est should be the mc. And it it would be funny if est got to the top realised the misunderstand and they made amends, however that just my opinion. But #1 problem in my book is that est is not the MC
Honestly, this just screams of bad writing, main girl had extremely dumb reasons to kick est out the party, like you could have gotten a tank to defend your support, idk maybe have your support train to become more reliable in dangerous environments, but because your crappy DPS squad can't rout properly you decide to throw him out, meanwhile, we have the wise old badass doing jack crap to actually help and my guess him and the girl are going to end up in a relationship further proving est right
So when the "useless" member of the party can't pull his own weight, they get kicked out in order to "stay safe" from higher risk missions... But when the team leader becomes useless because she's too reliant on said "weakling", they pat her back and tell her they're going to help her out? Honestly, I simply don't like these tropes... The hypocrisy screams loudly... Athena complains about waiting for months, years or a lifetime for Est to become stronger... But when she's the one barely scraping by, she's determined and kind, for fuck's sake...
no it doesn't. EST isnt the main character, Atena isnt either. The scar dude and mage are both OP who hide their powers and become the real Main characters. Story is shit
I like the concept that we get to see the side of the party who banished the main character, I say main character but I don't know who is the main character. The old man (the oldest in the group) be narrating most of the time, and then they make a boy seem like he's the villain like an asshole. I'm not going to lie he has the right to be kind of, they did kick him out so like and then he got powerful from that anger I guess. The authors should have done better good, idea just terrible execution.
Nah let Daru have the bitches cuz I dont think Est cares about them now . I only want Est to surpass Athena's party and have a nice party who encourages each other and not like Athenas party who only cares about cheering up Athena.
@@jotarokujo3782 more like none of them deserve est but yeah the author tries his hardest to gaslight the readers into making est the bad guy and how he was wrong. Lets just say it didn't go well with the JP readership
Well I just wanna add in my opinion here I hate that team and it makes me vomit thinking about them cuz they supported Athena at the end during her weak stage but not est during his weak stage and they r going like head strong for athenas dream but which was actually both her and ests dream But I am gonna say I didn’t like the mc either BECAUSE of his last remarks like just see if try comparing my example with that situation if a girl breaks up with u even if selfishly ignore her become stronger on ur own make new friends find a girl who respect u And when the time comes make them eat dust I mean defeat their whole party and humiliate them just like they did to u REVENGE
author must have been on crack when he wrote this...he just wanted to find a sympathetic reason for why they got rid of the MC but couldn't be bothered to think up of a logical excuse for how this would help him.
I'm going to say this again and again......... Never underestimate the power of a support character. Especially one that is the very reason for the party being capable of being so powerful. I really want to see those dumbasses witness Est's newfound OP power. The regret will run deep into their very souls and there will be nothing they can do about it. In Athena's stupid attempt at 'keeping Est safe', she ended up royally pissing him off. But I suppose if that had not happened, he wouldn't have discovered his new powers. I hope Est finds an even more beautiful waifu than Athena.
Garbage story tho :) Even if the author make athena and daru good and kind people. They're still very selfish and self-centered. What's the purpose of starting all over again? You your party already stablish a very dynamic and strong team. instead of reflecfing about your party's weakness, they proceed by elimination -_- I like the premise of the story But the story still go down as "kick-out of the party become op genre" Its a waste of time because its centered around about the party who banished est. There's no redeeming feature
So lets get this straight the old guy is mc. And frankly he says hes being "kind". But he literally ntrs the other guy. By not clearing any of the misunderstanding up at all by talking ( especially the issue where the girl was drunk and unconscious) he is perpetuating the hate the other guy has. WTH
Not gonna lie, i wouldn't say no to this getting an anime adaptation Beast Tamer betrayal was he stayed a pure nice guy , this one seems more like while the party wasnt....evil.....they were definitely dumb as F......and he went the route of vengeance after seeing them in that position (a misunderstanding from what it seems like)
Rather than this exile story but trash, i recommend you this one : The Strange Adventurer of broken mercenary The story : incredible The personality of mc and heroine : SHEEESH
That Athena B is a joke What ever happened to having faith in the person you trust Obviously her greed is mixed with reasons to apparently save him excuses are like assholes everyone has one.
They betrayed his trust for a dumbass reason. Real comrades would have helped him improve. Honestly, I’m with the protagonist on this one. Screw Stardust.
