MY EXPERT OPINION 179: VAN LATHAN TALKS LOSING EVERYTHING, TMZ, SLAVERY & HIPHOP LEGENDS 

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you cannot say you chose to be a slave if you didn’t rebel, things in life are not just black and white. They were also not in the position we are in today. They couldn’t read they had no access to information, they were literally ONLY taught to be slaves, and never knew of a life outside of it. Those that did run away were taught that there was a life other than slavery. You cannot choose when you are unaware that there are options to choose from. Also if you go by the black and white logic of everything is a choice, then you 100% also believe that a child being r**** is a choice because they didn’t say no.

@@123reletive123 1000%... Street knowledge does not always apply in life...

How simple minded are toy that you pin 1 of thw only comments that support you. Just ignore ALL the others saying how ignorant and unable you are to mature amd suck up knowledge with an unbiased mindset!!!!

@@123reletive123 Life indeed, is not binary. However, basic instinct is not compatible with slavery. This phrase that Kanye said, probably for this exact reason, is provoking. It isn't that anyone chose to be a slave, it's that once they found themselves in that position, they either chose to make the most of it, or reject it. A baby or child may not be capable of voicing their issue, but basic science has proven that even the youngest baby has an inherent sense of what is fair and what is not, what they like and do not. That example is not even remotely similar and completely ill thought out. Someone had to be the first to rebel. Someone had to be the first to teach themselves how to read against the wishes of their oppressor. Those that chose were not guaranteed/recorded to be in a more favorable position either. Same for many other historical figures of note. Not even to mention what they had to face once they made that choice, which is almost always guaranteed to be worse than if they had not. Which is why those that DID not, chose note to. Someone always has to choose differently to make change. Period. It isn't a slight against those who didn't choose, but to discount or equivalate the two is just preposterous. That those who chose did, is what makes them exceptional and worth note. They literally set aside/transcended their human instincts of self preservation and fear of death/repercussions to bring long term change to an untenable existential state. That is what drives true/long lasting progress that actually affects future generations, not just temporary or incremental change that may or may not benefit direct lineage.

*Patience

I didn’t realize Math was such a bozo and actually thinks what he’s spitting is right.

I thought it was the only one who noticed....nigga was doin to much

Epic level of patience

True. Math isn't usually like this but it was completely blatant watching this episode. I don't think this was Math's intention and perhaps he just got excited and wanted to get his points out but it did seem disrespectful to Van Lathan.

#Facts

Hes not ,Math can have his own opinion...

​@@johnnieqdavisjr.4045you forgot to add foolish in front of opinion.......

​@@johnnieqdavisjr.4045but what is that opinion Math never made a coherent argument... All he did was yell the whole time and leaves out the fact that even if a slave was like nah son they would do it to em anyway so where is the choice? It's an assinine argument. At least presented by Math

@@johnnieqdavisjr.4045anybody can have an opinion. But an opinion based on a lack of knowledge makes your opinion ignorant. So what do you do when you lack any credible knowledge about a particular topic? You shut up and listen… That’s what Math should’ve did.

Dawg he sed and my roots come from Ireland after dat from his forefathers 😩😂 dis nigga yooo

What do you expect from a dude that made his career off of battle rapping.....do you honestly believe math not to be ignorant

He’s ignorant most of the time… I’m literally here just for Van. It’s otherwise hard to stomach… AND the sound is disgustingly amateur.

@@lotus550 Same lol. I have no clue who this dude Math is and I don't plan on trying to figure out who he is afterwards lol

You are so right. Math is strong and wrong throughout this conversation. Very hard to watch.

all of you guys are the problem. too uppity. you throw away your own people over opinions and think you're too intelligent. but none of ya'll are doing anything with your intelligence to stop the murders

Insightful comment. I'm British of Jamaican heritage. I fully appreciate you're point of view. Black people and our diaspora throughout the world are so varied. The black communities in Europe probably have more influence and success now than we ever have had so far. My Grandparents and parents,RIP to all of them now, would have been astonished at what has happened since say 2001. First Black President. First Asian British Prime minister etc. I know Math has said he's been to the UK 🇬🇧 and had a great time here. Loved the fans, people. Perhaps he can travel here again soon. Interact with the locals even more. Sometimes I feel more time abroad can change one's perspective.

Maybe Harriet didn’t either… cuz she chose. Period

​@@Mathhoffa I rocks wit u Math but off on this one...If u do some real deep research, Harriet Tubman could have been a government created character...that's why Van said she never said that so called quote...

@@lajikaln9ne933 which was a lie.

@@Mathhoffa confirmed by who?

​@@Mathhoffa Harriet did not say that quote! Simple research will show you she didnt say that. The issue is you would rather believe lies to try to prove you are right than accept true facts.

Lmao, you're too intelligent for your own good. What are you personally doing to stop our systemic genocide, gangbanging issues, and our high homicide rate? What are you doing to influence a poor black youth with drug-addicted parents to be all they can be so they can grow up to use big words like you? Nothing. You're on youtube giving props to a clown for using flowerly language. Van is getting props for how he talks, Math is in the streets watching dead bodies before he films his podcast. He's touching the people, showing them they can go from crime to glory. Ya'll "intelligent" folks are on youtube criticizing your own people. You're just as deadly to our community as the gangsters.

Unfortunately Math is not on an abandon island all by himself. Too many of our people think, reason, and rationalize like him😢

No it is not.

​@@Mathhoffa Emulating Nat Turner isn't the lesson. It's not becoming the next Nat Turner is the goal. Success is measured by the sustainability of the effort. You should seek to not repeat failed attempts.

@@Mathhoffa then how the fuck did you get here then? Lmfao

@@Mathhoffa Black freedmen are the ONLY ethnic group in the US that never fled their homeland and fought for their freedom and liberties that all other groups take advantage of today. You can’t say that about Jamaicans, Haitians,Asians, Europeans, Africans, nobody else, it’s only the black Americans you claim were too weak to fight for their independence

Slim really boutta die on this hill instead of reading some books

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And that his major problem

Yall really jus don’t understand the thought process of somebody that stands for something no matter what. Its coo tho everybody not built the same💪🏽

@samc9495 If prison is modern day slavery, what Math who was a thug & drug dealer?

@@aaronbrown944 what’s your problem ? Or do you know math Hoffa more than you know yourself ?

How can you say that if we praise the ones who made a choice to rebel?

@@Mathhoffabut those same ones won't back you up in your statement and ideology

@@Mathhoffa brother you were trying to make a poignant point for us in 2023. Van, who has obviously studied the period, was trying to make a more nuanced point. You weren't trying to hear him. It was annoying but I was cool because I fuck with you. And I think you were drunk lol

​@@humble_haplo He is continuing to try to make his points in the comments. Don't blame it on the alcohol

@@Mathhoffa typical battle rapper mentality

Laughing and looking around, getting loud - Di&khead shit....And I like and respect Math.

knowledgeable people aren't in the hoods preventing homicides, they're on youtube putting down their own kind for being "Wrong". lol.

Smh why is it so hard to believe I rather be like the ones who rebelled than be a “surviving slave?” What part of that suggest ignorance? Ignorance of fear or being terrified? What part of what I’m saying suggest ignorance? Cuz you rather be a survivor than fight for freedom?

​@@Mathhoffa so my only question is would you 100% fight for your freedom knowing you were at a major disadvantage as well as knowing the consequences of you losing could lead to everyone in your family being tortured or killed? That's the "Choice?!?!"......

What math is saying through his beliefs is that he rather die and the people around him just because he playing checkers instead of chess 🤔

To be fair... His name is Math Hoffa...not History Hoffa.... His ignorance is warranted

@@Mathhoffa you and Van are honestly agreeing but he's incorporating you points to a bigger picture though. It is rebelling but it's also reading, learning and doing everything the oppressors didn't want us to do which was live and be great and especially independent. You are on the same side it's just there's a bigger agenda.

Pride n ego exist in all people. Stop saying that, he’s just miseducated and stuck in his ways. He may not let his guest speak, understandably annoying, but all points still get across

Depends..on what you're being educated!!! trail & error...works just as well!!!

​@@khamikhoward5962but..there are a lot of hard headed know it all" MF's out here I'll tell u what'!!!

@@descolabandz8855 yeah that’s true, just want people to stay saying only the black community is full of negative pride n ego

Is it your Community?

Tru cause his crew was shut down bowing heads n all. Niggaz wanna keep they job😂

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Which is why Van should shut up.

Self-hate doesn't make you look cool on youtube. Van attracts an intelligent crowd of people to the comment section, and I bet none of them use that intellect to change things in our community. Ya'll abandoned the hood and got the nerver to criticize it.

Facts, I had no clue who he was before this podcast but he was dropping a lot of jewels.

Exactly! Math made a complete fool of his self.

​@@Miguelperry411Yep, Van called it too earlier in the episode. He said he was gonna look crazy when this aired

Unfortunately I'm always in this very situation

what about actions? speaking isn't going to stop the self-genocide. that's the problem with you uppity folks, you love to talk, but don't do anything but "Analyze" things. intelligence isn't going to fix things.

it'd be better to not debate, and to use all that intelligence to actually fix our issues. van isn't doing that. he's on youtube talking down on his people's handicaps, but he's not doing anything in real life to fix those problems with his influence/celebrity. how's that admirable? you're saying thank you to a man who spends all his energy and income with non-black people. you're thanking a man who does absolutely nothing to create another Van. you're thanking a man who abandoned the youth in his community. lol. and you guys think you're so right too, that's the funny part

@@sabot4ge Drink some water man. Relax. I know lil about Van, I'll admit that. If what you're saying about him is true then I'm on your side. It is definitely better to be in there helping than out here...but at least he's helping the thought process of us out here. Thank you.

Facts

You time traveling with this comment bro that's crazy u right

Educate me on being docile? That’s not me

​@MATH HOFFA it's ignorant for you to say that because you can't even begin to imagine being born a slave and the mental and physical abuse being endured from birth to death. Educate yourself on the atrocities committed against us man

​@@cothegr8 yes, it's really sad. I usually agree with Math never thought I'd disagree with him about SLAVERY of all things. Kinda look at him different.

Very insightful. Well said and great comment.

I think the lesson is black people are divided. The intelligent black people are in the comments calling Van a superhero and the other "wrong" and "stupid". That's slavery. We're divided. Once the intelligent folks and working-class folks unite, we can fix our issues. But that heir of supremacy will hurt us just like being ignorant will.

Math always cuts Mecca off when he speaks

@@369pendulum he gonna see that a lot in these comments Hoff didn’t like him it showed but Van smart as shit didn’t know brother was that educated

What’s to digest?

@@Mathhoffa the problem is that just like a chick, you listen to speak, rather than understanding 😂 … so you don’t even know

@@Mathhoffa The info the guest is explaining to you. It appears that you dismiss an opposing view point before actually considering if it makes sense or not.

@@mefilmmaking 😂😂😂

Thank you. You cannot think or choose your way of a system. Whatever choice you make is determined by what you're given. He seemed to understand that for drug dealers but not for slaves who had even less to work with.

Math's family is from the Islands. His ancestry experienced slavery too. The Transatlantic slave trade did not only exist in America.

Van shoulda just stopped talking to him after he said that shit. You don't even think you're on of us. He sounds like a damn white supremacist himself smh. England and Scotland 🤦🏾‍♂️