@@Johngamer64Also Project flight: P2W and Pay to Access. I mean some Roblox flight simulator had game pass is kinda mid or l But Aeronautica doesn't not have gamepass unless donation. But In Aeronautica, you have to start tutorial, get pilot license in-game to unlock those plane type and you have to grind it.
MSFS is extrodinary cheap for what you get. Compare out of the box with something like DCS and then relate to the add-ons with DCS and MSFS is an absolute bargain. Then on top of that consider the free updates. The latest one in World Update 18 EDDM Munich really is an airport of the highest quality, nothing like that has appeared in any other flight simulator, yet in MSFS you are getting it absolutely free.
as someone who is working on adding regions into DCS, trust me, what MSFS has is no where near the quality of DCS, yes the whole world but it's all automated creation, but DCS has almost 70% manual hand created stuff, even tree placements and most of the buildings is hand placed, yes there's automation too. also it has the best physics as well as great optimization. I often fly on my own in-progress region.
DCS World is incredible. But it's cities are inferior. Sure the assets are of decent quality, but the handmade cities are a small scale reimagination of there real world counterparts. They don't compare to a MSFS city done well, like the new London, add to that hand-built buildings like the ones Orbix or Drzewiecki Design do and you have an incredibly good visualisation of the actual city. From a wider context, I love DCS World ground and flying characteristics, cockpit graphics is on par with a decent MSFS addon, but the performance in MSFS for the level of detail shown is far superior in my opinion. MSFS is more accessible, has much more value but doesn't offer the combat element. The smart person of course would chose both as they cater for different markets and have different strengths and weeknesses.
@@PilotLieutenant1 1. Hundreds of planes and a lot of them have the ability to add custom liveries 2. Massive map with tons of airports in different regions 3. Variety of jobs like surveillance, cargo drop, charter, search & rescue, etc 4. Also has helicopters, VTOLs and airships 5. Has ILS approaches, VOR navigation, waypoints and simple flight plans 6. Really good ATC compared to other roblox flight sims, which is also free Yeah the physics and graphics may be bad and/or mid, but the experience playing it makes up for that 👍
As a hardcore war thunder fan… fair rank. I have almost 800 hours and haven’t even gotten a single top tier jet (f-14 f-15 f-16 etc) everyone who plays war thunder hates the game.
Honestly PTFS isn't a flight simulator. It's just a roleplay/exploration game centered around planes. It's not supposed to be an exact simulation but as it's own game and not a flight simulator PTFS is very unique and top notch. I understand why he rated it that.
Things like landing an AN-225 on an oil rig is mainly why PTFS is popular, plus people that play it usally either don’t have a PC or can’t afford a flight sim setup. But I do see why you made your their list like this 👍
Fun fact: War thunder has 3 diffferent modes for playing aviation. Arcade, realistic, and simulator. All of the same physics and graphics, just that the simulator and realistic are harder to play.
I would agree if it were "Visual Simulator 2020". Unfortunately, it's called "Flight Simulator". And if we are talking about Flight, X-Plane, though not perfect, is better.
I think you should play VTOL VR because its a great game and simulates combat and a semi realistic cockpit. It's DCS in VR basically, but its not as good as DCS.
If you enjoyed DCS, you'll definitely like VTOL VR too. It has low poly graphics, but DCS levels of realism, with some of it's simulated systems being even more realistic than DCS.
Yep…. Within 10 hours of playing vtol you should be able to take off fly, use air to air weapons, use SOME of the different ground weapon systems, navigate and land. Essentially you can learn enough in 10 hours to be able to use your craft for multiple purposes. It took me roughly 35 hours in DCS to get to that same point.
I think you will love VTOLVR, it feels like a more poly-optimized DCS, making it easier to run. It offers Realistic Physics, Simple tutorials and controls, Helpful/creative community, ILS and weather(recent update). If you love combat flight sims, I recommend!!
@@RealTojo090 with at least 700 hours in wt i see ur point but war thunder is more like pay for good progress as buying premium account/premium vehicles doesnt give u an advantage unlike world of tanks where buying premium shells will give u a boost in damage, war thunder is focusing on making the game as realistic as possible
@@RealTojo090 i play on a potato so it will explode if i play dcs and there is no way im paying 100$ on a A-10 which u can grind for free in war thunder
@@Maple_Leefreal you can get a WT quality (but still better flight model) A-10 in DCS for $12. The $79 one is study level and the cheap one is for beginners.
@@Napoleon_e2 i would since if you have the smallest bit of money and common sense you would know there's better sims out there and most people who play roblox sims cant afford good sims which are kids
As a Ptfs player I respect your ranking. The reason why the airline have a weird name like Singadoor is because they dont wanna get copyright so they have to make a ripoff name and they don't have realistic gear up/down cause the owner said it will took weeks cause they have to remodel every planes in the games. I hope you understand that ❤
Why would dcs need the whole world? It's a MILITARY flight sim. When was the last time a f-16 crossed the Atlantic in a ground strike? It's not a flight sim where you hop into a 777 and fly from Singapore to New York
I’m not even mad how he rated ptfs even though i’ve played ptfs for the past 3 years and I can agree that it’s bad in terms of realism so I don’t get why the ptfs lovers have to go against him even if it is the truth
About Infinite Flight. I started with it 10 years ago, and am a real world pilot now. Great sim! Try it. (Although after I got into MSFS 2020 nothing else seems good)
Other flight sims I’d include: Turboprop Flight Simulator: D Tier. Decent for a mobile game, but not really realistic, and not many planes to pick. Ace Combat 7: C. As much as a love the Ace Combat series, it isn’t realistic at all. The plane selection is good, but the very arcadey physics and mission based system makes it not really a flight simulator, but more of a flight game.
I don't think DCS or any air combat simulator will ever get the whole world sadly. As the experience relies heavily on being around other planes, it would be hard with everyone being spread out around the whole world.
I will say this The Roblox flight sims serves different markets to mainline one PTFS: Offers options for RP and short movies with acess through both PC and mobile. The game's physics and graphics arn't meant to be great to offer less lag to certain people. In a way more focused for a bigger market without spending money on PRO feature on mobile flight sims. Best for Low end Laptops and Phones. Better then nothing is what I would say Project flight: Its the MSFS of Roblox but you can take that statement with a grain of salt. Project flight is still in its early stages of development which still leaves time for it to improve. The Graphic are the best you can get for a Roblox sim with autopilot and atc features being improved as I find the PF atc system is actual goated unlike PTFS. Its best with Low to medium end laptops or medium end phones. Project Flight is the best one you can get on the Roblox market however it does cost a little bit of money. Flightline: Flightline tries to incoperate thing that no other sims have done before which include waypoints for AP or crash physics. Its and intresting blend as Aaron puts it as PTFS and Project flight but it does require a meduim end laptop in the end. Its good but not great.
@@Dudedoesstuffright Bro Project flight is my favourite. It has good graphics, autopilot, landing ratings and much more. BUT HE SAID IT WAS ONLY a D!!!???
VTOL vr is freaking amazing. If you NEED the high res graphics and you need the stability of a hotas then dcs comes out on top, but if you can figure out how to operate the virtual cockpit, the immersion of vtol vr is absolutely unmatched.
The reason DCS should get S+ is because it does something that none of the other flight Sims do and that's simululate aircraft systems like RWR, radar, FCR, individual aircraft systems, a more realistic damage model, and the aircraft behave more closely to what they do in real life. That being said DCS is also one of the oldest Sims and has a lot of areas that need to modernize (which eagle dynamics is working on).
I can agree on some of that stuff, but not the damage model or radar. Games like nuclear option and war thunder have much better/physics based destruction. Also, it has no where near as realistic of RCS as VTOL VR. VTOL has literally the most accurate and realistic radar system out of any game (DCS and War thunder use dice rolling basically instead of calculating cross section and position to the radar)
The newer stuff is good but not amazing. Since the game is made entirely with CSG parts models are incredibly rough around the edges. It also lacks basic things such as an overhead panel and display textures on the screens. I will give Orange credit for including unique airline lounges and alternate interiors for some liveries but for the most part PTFS’s models are pretty bad. (The Antonov gamepass is pretty good though.)
Hey Aron I’m an avid war thunder player and I respect how you put it on the tier list just because it’s a little arcadey, but I’ve played it in VR with full flight controls on sim mode and realistic mode and it’s super fun and ALMOST dcs level. Especially with F-15s and stuff. I would love it if you wanted to try some top tier stuff on my account and maybe try to change your opinion a little bit 😂
I have been playing PC flight sims since 1994, and have nearly every sim that has come out since then. I have found some of the things I find most challenging and rewarding were in DCS. It was awesome to figure out how to do a full start up and then hover and fly the UH-1. I never get bored doing air to air refueling in the F-14, and now am spending most of my time learning the F-4E. I do wish that DCS had a world map. I also play IL-2, and sometimes MSFS. I really get bored in MSFS, and the most challenging thing I might do is try an IFR flight that is under an hour. The new IL-2 engine, with jets is going to be awesome. IL-2 would be S or S+ level if it had clickable cockpits.
While you're in the process of trying Infinite Flight, you could also try Real Flight Simulator. Here's a quick comparison between them: Both sims offer a wide variety of aircraft, RFS offers more airliners, IF has more GA and Military planes. RFS also has more liveries, there are thousands of community contributed real and fictional liveries for each plane. Both sims have most features locked behind a subscription program. RFS subscription is cheaper, though IF offers more free planes. Graphics wise, RFS takes a slight edge, both sims feature sattelite terrain imagery with simulated topography, though building and other features outside airports are 2D. Both have the whole world simulated, RFS has better weather simulation. IF has better physics and also features semi-interactive cockpits in some planes, which aren't present at all in RFS. Both sims have on-screen buttons for basic functions, which are simplified. RFS has simulated ground services (I don't remember if IF has that or not). Controling a plane is easier in RFS, because it features the option of a virtual joystick, while IF only has tilt controls. Both feature an on-screen slider for the rudder. Also, setting up a flight path as well as the autopilot is easier in RFS. I personally prefer RFS, however, definitely give a shot to both
No hate to Aaron, but he used one of the planes that hasn’t been remodeled in PTFS lol The remodeled ones look so much better and more realistic than the old ones
Even the most realistic PTFS planes are child's play next to the planes from Microsoft flight Simulator or XPlane. And that's how it is and it will always be like that. A Roblox game has nothing to do next to professional simulators like those two.
@@burgadahz17yeah but ptfs isn’t really a flight sim. Its a sandbox. And because it is so accessible, people can use it as a stepping stone into sims. (Ptfs had aerial refueling before mfs)
@@Erusean_pilot And that's why I consider it a good GAME product. I'm a super hardcore Simmer who always tries to find the maximum realism in everything. But when I feel like playing something relaxing fast pitch and easy PTFS delivers.
VTOL VR is a solid S tier game if your into the military side of things but don’t want it to be so simmy you have to read a 100 page manual to get started.
Even better is that it literally has the most realistic simulation of radar/radar cross section out of any game. Even better than DCS and War thunder in that aspect
For what it’s worth, PTFS is a good flight sim. It’s _not_ meant to be realistic, however, the physics suck, the flights take only four-five minutes, but it has great mobile support, and it is as big as it can be, as Roblox has a limit to how large you can make a game. It’s even at half scale to make it as large as possible. It’s been around for years, and is constantly being updated by a dedicated dev team. So maybe reconsider your rankings (it’s at least better than flightline).
Aaron, I feel like you should try Flyout. It’s very similar to KSP but then 10000 times more realistic and flight centred. You create planes like it’s blender and then fly them around in an earth sized map with pretty good graphics. You should actually spend time trying to learn it (more than 50 hours) and accept help from the Flyout community on Discord unlike all the other RU-vidrs who just play for 5 hours, encounter bugs and fail to make a working plane and then hate on the game. physics wise it’s almost more realistic than DCS (just needs part to part physics interaction and then it’ll be better), but for an early access game it’s GOATed.
X-plane 11 runs good with mid specs on M1 MacBook Air 8Gb. But yeah, I realized that if you want to play aviation sims you have to spend money on a good PC setup to really immerse yourself
In terms of actual flight sim and system simulations, Xplane takes the cake everytime. But MSFS does a decent job and the visuals are just so much better.
Just play GeoFS, it’s more convenient and you aren’t supporting Roblox’s shitty moderation. If you absolutely MUST play on Roblox, Aeronautica or Project Flight are your best bets.
Personal ranking would be (of the ones I’ve played) 1 - FS2020. Is this even a contest? 2 - GeoFS. Very convenient but controls are too sensitive. 3 - Project Flight. An impressive feat for Roblox standards. (no match for Aeronautica though) 4 - PTFS. When I say ‘forth’ I mean a DISTANT forth. I’ve had fun with this game in the past but now…… yikes.
The time I played, flying a small prop with strong winds, the plane was completely uncontrollable, and as the son of a pilot, I know those physics were completely off and ditched the game right away.
@@AviationFun737Slightly. Microsoft Flight Simulator's physics have been constantly updated since the first day it was released. And it's a fact that today they are more than decent. They are very realistic even though they are not as realistic as those of XPlane. But they are not that far off either. But yeah. Even so, Microsoft Flight Simulator is far superior in general aspects.
I completely agree about GeoFs and X-Plane Mobile. Before I learned about cloud gaming I alternated between the two, when I wanted a beautiful plane model vs. better graphics.
PTFS isn't marketed for low specs, it's marketed as a simulator, which is does a terrible job at. The only good part about it is just messing with it for fun.
Granted, PTFS isn't amazing, but for what you can make with Roblox, the models (specifically the cockpits), airports, scenery and more are pretty top notch. And this is considering it's not really supposed to be a simulator and more an "anyone can play" type of game. That's why there's lot of young kids playing it as well. It has a very vast player age range.
@@pacoswoob In terms of physics and maybe visuals, yes. But for a pickup and play game with very pleasant graphics and mechanics, PTFS did not deserve that terrible rating.
The only reason people play ptfs and get mad if others don’t like it is because they can’t afford high quality graphics and physics. Plus the flight sim electronics that make it realistic can be expensive. That’s just why they play it.
@@AaronRheins. I get your logic, I just think that it's a bit unfair. A flight simulator with a group of people working on it is going to be better then a flight simulator with two of three people working on it.
XPlane doesnt have an extremely large dev team, Laminar Research is quite a small software company, just because they have less devs doesnt mean they automatically get a higher placement, PTFS sucks, Flightline is quite mid, Project Flight is the best roblox flight sim but compared to MSFS and Xplane and the big giants, it's quite shabby
Eagle Dynamics, the company of DCS, has a wishlist of combining all of the maps together then eventually within the coming years do the whole earth. But it’s a LOOOONG project but it’s going to be worth it.
Yeah but if they do the whole earth the terrain has to be much much higher quality than msfs because terrain is a very important aspect in combat and affects radar missile guidance
Aaron Rheins, thank you for your content that you do i watch you since your start and every video you do is getting more better i hope you read my comment and thank you for this content you make : salute to you
I have MSFS 2020 and I still play ptfs. I, personally, wouldn't put it in F-, but I can definitely see where you're coming from. The graphics are terrible, the physics are terrible, the players are terrible at flying the planes, and it's not nearly as good as other flight sims (or in this case, aviation video games), but it's mainly just for the roleplay/arcade aspect, and another pro about this game is the easily accessible multiplayer, most people can run this game on their phones. Being able to get out of the plane and walk around, and drive ground vehicles is another thing most games/sims don't have (until November 19th!) which is a pro for it. But if you're more about realism, this game is trash and not at all worth playing. I still liked the video though!
DCS doesnt have the whole world because A: the maps arent automated and are mostly created manually down to the trees even, and they also have to make sure every runway and airport is detailed and not just copy paste and theres a lot of runways in the world and detail to pay attention to.
VTOL VR is excellent as a combat simulator. It does not have real world graphics, and the maps and planes are all purely fictional. Functionally though, the planes ( and helicopter) display a love for the craft and functionality of combat aircraft. In the same vein if you don't like VR there is another great game that matches that same description I made, its called Nuclear Option. TONS of fun.
I honestly believe that PTFS Should be better Rated than Project flight, Heres why: PTFS is actualy bad as a Flight simulator in all regards, although, its so barebone that it allows a player experience like littirally no other flight simulator The only reason of that is the fact that it is multiplayer but also that you can actualy go in other players planes, Airport interiors, And loads of ground crew vehicles, Also the large selection of gamepasses at reletavely Low price. This basically Provides for a very flexible experience, those are PTFS Roleplays, Entire PTFS Airlines are reproduced in the community, Air forces, and Display Teams. Also the possiblity to make Movies reletavely Easily like with Freecam and toggable GUI. Some of the PTFS Communities are actually Extremelly Impressive, and No other flight simulator does that at that scale. I honestly believe that Aaron Rheins should make a video called I Tested PTFS Airlines, Because the game itself is only the Tip of the Iceberg.
@@Speedbird205 The first part I do agree, PTFS is probably the only flight sim where you can go to a another person plane and hij- But the rest of the part is literally describing GeoFS💀. Except for the gamepass one because everything in the base game is free, but the hd scenery is like 10 dollars or something. I mean yes, you could run PTFS on your nokia 3310, and you need like a brand new laptop to run GeoFS, but I don't care about those, what I care is the physics. GeoFS physics are like pretty decent for something that is free, but PTFS physics are... So tbh if you have a blackberry q10, you could play PTFS, but if you have a laptop that can run 10 fps on GeoFS, play GeoFS. Not to mention that phones can also run GeoFS (at like 2 fps).
Hey! If you dont know, Xplane 12 is getting an update that changes the game (like scratches when you do a tail/windstrike and MUCH better graphics. But it is still in the beta...
The truth is that in terms of updates, Xplane is doing very poorly. It came out in 2022 and has only received, I think, two updates in a year and a half, almost two.
I cant get past the floaty physics of MSFS, especially in comparison to the physics in DCS. I fully agree about DCS world map, especially as more logistics assets are added, it would be cool having to flight plan long range strike/logi missions. I also think they need to work on airport/AI ATC to balance it as a true flight sim instead of the classic "digital cockpit stimulator". And as much as it sucks bringing this up, Eagle Dynamics also needs to do some soul searching as their rep has taken a beating as a result of their treatment of devs, at least for me and those ive spoken to.
DCS has these maps only because there were war conflicts, there is no point in making the whole world map, so DCS is really C++ sim anyway, in my opinion. For civil aviation MSFS best solution, but it will never reach physics like in DCS
I'm new with flight sims and I decided to start with Aerofly FS4 (PC not the Mobile version), and for me it's very cool. If you never played it, I'd love to hear some comments of it from you!
