My friend watches Man of Steel for the FIRST time || DCEU 

Are you ever gonna react to Marvel's Netflix series??? Please at least react to Daredevil. If Matt wants dark, he'll get it.

Cool but I will give it to someone who needs it must my girlfriend... Wish me luck😁

Whatever you do make sure you guys watch BATMAN VS SUPERMAN ULTIMATE EDITION🤝

Its only 5000 apparently

Holden you guys should react to the first episode of Superman And Lois, ots free on the CW app and I think that its one of the best Super Man Thing so far

More like 30 weeks

@@johnpablochavez8803 30 day full body challenge

@@johnpablochavez8803 and whole lot of sarms

The shot of him in the rain after saving the oil workers, he dehydrated for 3 days to really define his muscles

@@keving5004 You should check out 'More plates more dates' video on Henry's transformation. I doubt he took any PEDs.

Exactly. Zod made it very clear that the only goal he had at that point was death and destruction. Zod would have started offing people immediately if Cal had tried taking the fight somewhere else. Not to mention every building that fell was due to Zods actions. Zod slicing a building down with his heat vision. Zod tossing Cal through the buildings by his cape. Zod kicking an oil tanker into a building. Zod destroying Wayne's satellite ultimately causing falling debris. Idk where people get the idea that the deaths of those people were Cal's fault.

@@isaacfloyd4023 than they say HE COULD HAVE ENDED IT QUICKLY but you can notice it wasnt like that zod quickly caute up to supermans level of control of the powers it was only that sups caute him in a good holding position he was able to restrain him because of the destraction of falling from space so no he had to actually fight this mad man who had nothing left he was born to protect his people he only knew to kill and fight for his people now that they ate gone he will stop at nothing to make Clark's people be GONE. SO no zod wasnt gonna be am easy push over

But if he is strong enough to break his neck wouldn't he be strong enough to choke him out and leave him unconscious? Killing him didn't seem like the only option there

@@jimmydcriket4086 My dude. Zod was already beyond saving. he had already made a declaration of genocide against the humans and had literally nothing else to live for from his own perspective. Plus Cal would not have been able to choke him out before that heat vision bisected those people. Breaking the neck was quicker.

Exactly and this movie also is Clark becoming Superman and of course him saving the world for the first time would be clumsy with lots of deaths. It also depicts how 2 godlike beings would fight in a city unlike other movies.

nah

fact

@@NaaniSensei it's one of those generational things. I'm Generation X, born in 1978 (my father is a Baby Boomer), so Superman 1978 and its sequels including Superman Returns will always be Superman to me. Superman should not be a dark character. For that, we have Batman. 🙂

@@neutrino78xsee I'm your age and I believe this was hands down the better version of Superman.

@@ModernCowboy78 "ee I'm your age and I believe this was hands down the better version of Superman." Not me, it's too dark. Superman 1978 all the way. 🙂

100% agree with u, it really pissed me off. Especially during the Johnathan Kent death scene

agreed fully DC fan or not this movie seems almost flawless, yet there has to be jokes int he middle of emotional scenes and complaints about people dying? while they have these similar moments in Marvel as well.

I was getting annoyed too instead of enjoying the moment and the beauty of this films they kept saying dumb things

1000s of people trapped under buildings? Let's have shwarma first

Absolutely

This movie i think was about answering the question of if a man can be good in a world that forces evil choices. And i liked the answer.

My favorite in the DCEU

The first guy to talk after they finished the movie, really annoyed me. I swear for the life of me, I don't know what movie he saw. He claimed millions of people died. What is he talking about? This is one of the most frustrating things about this film. People who don't like it, have to lie to justify their hatred of this movie because they can't articulate a rational argument.

@@keitht24 Superman literally slams himself through a lot of skyscrapers and buildings, tearing them apart violently. You telling me nobody died there? Are people not allowed to dislike the movie without being liars? That sounds kinda insecure.

Maybe he would like aquaman too.

This is Matt your talking about. Never be hopeful with Matt.

@@cauaviniciusguedes1434 I dont think so The movie's look alone would make him hate it

@@bloo22ca yea

I think he will like BvS UE for the bye gone jim moments

Exactly what parent tells their child go ahead sacrifice yourself to save someone else. No parent is like that. He tells Clark to conceal his powers until the world and he himself are ready.

@@eskanda3434 You got it right cause if anyone knew clarks power from the very beginning and exposed it to many people military will immediately act up to try and get him and gets to the point where clark would be the enemy of the military and definitely marked as enemy of humanity

That is true. At that point, young Clark lives in a world where let's face it half the population would hate and fear him, want to hurt him for being the other, the outsider without him having even done anything wrong. For a parent, that must be terrifying

Yea his friend completely misunderstood that scene between Johnathan and Clark

Matt made so many jokes too

@@terinielsen5179 after Noticing it was just going to be a dog pile. Couldnt even get through the krypton scene without him saying some bs. Matt was in until he realized holden wasnt going to stfu

@@kennethguerrero6802 movie isn't a dog pile, also when did people forget how to watch films, let's ruin the film for the people who haven't seen it

@@Tenchi707 i mean they just did a dog pile on the movie instead of watching it and reviewing it. They just hounded at every scene breaking the moment up for the viewer who had never seen it

@@terinielsen5179 that’s literally just Matt being Matt…

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Yeah, I don’t even like this movie much, but that was annoying me.

@@randall-king Watch the film on your own then?

@@spenser9908 I’ve suffered through this movie before. What I wanted to see was their honest reaction without inane commentary by one of them who’s seen it already.

@@spenser9908 That's not the point. We are seeing someone react to the movie for the first time. I can easily go watch the movie on my own if I wanted.

i agree, even if a love marvel more than dc... too much jokes, this is a great movie except for "martha" thing

They're a group of friends watching a movie. Ofc they can joke on it during the movie. Even matt joined in it at one point so i don't think we need to start drama where it isn't a thing.

@@ajschutzler99 Of course matt joined in, his opinion was skewed by his friends' constant jokes about the movie.

@@SdMVin have you seen matt in his videos? He's usually very vocal about these types of things so if he doesn't come out with a vid or says something then it doesn't bother him, and then it shouldn't bother you

@@ajschutzler99 Yeah I've seen him. But he's in Holden's house, you expect Matt to tell him to shut up? Also it bothers me because I've been watching their reactions for a while and Holden tries to be very quiet and respectful when watching movies that HE LIKES. That's obviously not the case here so it makes for quite a frustrating video instead of an enjoyable one.

@@SdMVin yup agreed

it's really really annoying. . .honestly.

Does Holden hate the DC??

@@rohangangan8327 no i dont think he hates it he just prefers marvel

@@satari5999 Still what a sad state of affairs DC are!! I grew up watching DC as a kid (JL mostly) and look at it now! Never knew that much about Marvel apart from Spiderman and now I have watched all the MCU movies till Endgame and Loved it😍. I Hope DC gets back to its best!!

Wow I agree. ruined it for sure. Why all the talking over the scene's? This is too much for me.

I guess because he doesn't like it like MCU

Yeah I felt like he kept distracting Matt when he was trying to watch the movie

Yeah I couldn’t help but think that too, that and pointing out and explaining the Jesus metaphors, could’ve done that after the movie

Yeah, he kept doing it doing serious moments, interrupting the flow or intent in those scenes. Frustrating:/

I felt the exact same way. Hard to form your own opinion when someone is making fun of every aspect of the movie.

He's literally trying to keep his family together. The government or other powers would tear his family apart to capture, control, dissect, etc, a being from another world. Another batch of silly unrealistic arguments against it.

I know he's not a perfect person and in the context of this darker universe, his "maybe" sort of makes sense, but we're talking about a bus full of children. No decent human being will tell their son who has superhuman strength to let a bus full of kids die to save his own skin. Imagine the trauma and guilt Kent would feel if he did that.

@@chris__rooster That's the point of the critique that moment gets, Johnattan Kent in other media always told Clark to use his powers for the greater good, in MoS, although is reasonable he doesn't really know what the answer is and he's trying to protect him/them, the "maybe" has dark undertones that affect the perception of the character and it's something pretty jarring to see the father figure to an alien say "maybe you shouldn't have saved them"

@@chris__rooster He never told him to let them die remember. He said maybe because he did not know. He is in a complicated situation and he can't talk to anybody except his wife about it because it has never happened before and they know how judgemental humans are. And like others said, the government will tear them apart.

@@chris__rooster Its not about saving his own skin. Its about sparing the world from finding out and immediately making Clark a divisive figure just for existing. He had enough problems growing up and he would most certainly be taken away by the government and become a lab curiosity subjected to tests for the rest of his life. He would have turned out like Homelander. In BvS as a grown man he found it impossible to just exist in the world in the first place. Again that scene plays on the theme of whether it is for the greater good that his secret no be revealed yet. A bus of schoolchildren would objectively pale in comparison to the wider consequences of Superman existing would bring. Like Jonathan says "this thing is bigger than you or me". The film isn't necessarily saying either viewpoint is correct. It just lays out the ethical and moral dilemma that is a key part of the film.

But it's a pretty selfish viewpoint. "Hey Jesus, don't save people, think about your well being first, bro"

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 but it’s realistic you think if a alien showed up with all powered up people would accept it hell no people would have a problem with it

@@brandonbaerga4972 exactly like clark said "my father believed that the world isn't ready for me". There would be a lot of people who will see him as a threat, some will think he is sent by God, a lot will get panicked and scared if they knew that there are beings like this living among us, then there will be government and the list goes on. Jonathan was only thinking about his son, as it is said in the movie "good or bad character, you are gonna change this world". He was just a kid then, he will not be able to handle the things coming his way. Who knows with that kind of pressure that he wouldn't turn evil, that's were Jonathan's view point becomes relevant

I watched this because I like Holden's videos, and really to get his crew's take on it. Honestly, I can't stand the movie, and one of the moments to bring me to that opinion was Jonathan saying that 'maybe' a bus full of kids should have drowned. People arm-chairing this with implications, circumstances and the view of society. If someone is capable of saving lives you just do it. Because its right. This is just one of the movie's problems, but its a big one. This sad, really nihilistic Pa Kent essentially telling his impressionable kid that people can die if it serves your own interest. May as well be raising the Brightburn kid.

@@chrish7904 yea it's the opposite of hope

I say he isn't Superman YET. He is still growing to that character that people love, He is still learning about himself and whether he will be accepted or not, and he makes tough decisions in just a few days.

@@ethanerxleben6236 Exactly. He doesn't even know that the military has given him the name "Superman" while he's fighting Zod's army!

@@ethanerxleben6236 that’s a good point he’s not Superman but he is the man of steel hence why the movie is not named superman

Exactly the movie is literally called man of steel, not superman. He isn't superman. At least not yet.

They didnt shit on the movie tho, they all had something about the movie that they liked

Matt was making just as many jokes

@@thegodspeed5148 They didn’t even watch, just trash talk all the time

The only people making a joke of the DCEU is WB

Thats so true

@@jparikh13 In your opinion.

He’s not OP, writers just don’t know how to properly use his weakness against him

It was also his first fight. Against people who are his physical equals but more trained. And who were also set on humanity's extinction. People seem to forget those things when they *whine* about how the fight in Metropolis went. "Oh, why didn't he just lead Zod away?" Because Zod wouldn't have followed him. He just would have finished flattening the city.

@@TimedRevolver Even though Zod took him into space, the fight *still* came back to Metropolis lol

@@Maikigai Zod was always going to bring the fight back to Metropolis. Always. He was set on human extinction. There have been multiple versions of Superman where massive collateral damage happened when he was starting out. Because he didn't know what he was doing. Like in this case.

@@TimedRevolver Agreed.

Definitely

Yes definitely the ultimate edition

Both versions are shit so it's not worth it

@@killianmurphy3207 how is it shit?

@@killianmurphy3207 how is it shit x2

What’s the difference from the other videos?

@@parker9699 The movies Holden likes in these reactions, always shuts up but always talks when they’re doing a reaction with a movie he doesn’t like. Like we get it, u don’t like the movie, let Matt watch the movie

It seems like every person hated that. Me personally i didnt give 2 shits because if a movie isn't good he aint gonna sugarcoat. This video got way to much hate

I feel exactly the same way. Also got annoying when he pointed out and explained the Jesus metaphors during the movie, that really got annoying

Good point. They avoid spoilers at the beginning, but making comments during can be just as bad. It would be different if none of them saw it and were making comments.

@@SpiderBatFan Holden’s pointing out the blatant and lazy Jesus metaphors is no more or less annoying than the blatant and lazy Jesus metaphors themselves.

PrizeFighter you may not like them but they’re not blatant and lazy and no it is more annoying, because he could’ve done that after the movie, instead he literally took Matt out of it multiple time’s to explain them Again you may not like them, that’s fine, but don’t call them that of all things just because you don’t like them and want to use the strongest words you can think of to use against them, I don’t feel like getting into an argument especially over this kinda thing so just leave that part here please

@@SpiderBatFan naw. Holden turned it into something fun by pointing out Snyder’s lack of subtlety.

That’s great for us viewers though xd

Got rank in those views 🤑

It’s also his job now and what he does full time. Either way though I assume just like anything else if he wasn’t loving it he wouldn’t be doing it!

thats not that much and its fine

If he were to just do 2 episodes for a vid every two weeks, that's like one hour of them watching Wandavision so they have a bit more time for a movie afterwards. It's his full time job so I respect the hustle and I don't think the quality of the content is going down

Agreed. This is a beautiful, emotional movie. Just wonderful. This movie gets better with each viewing...

He already destroyed the emotional Luke/Mando/Grogu scene in last episode of Mandalorian with his jokes while Matt really tried to get invested. Holden becomes a jerk for some reason i do not understand.

@@djdoc06 Personal opinion wich differs from mine 🤷🏻‍♂️

exactly

"Impactful" DCEU scenes? Which ones, out of curiosity?

I like to think back to other super hero films where they handed the same scenario and manage to do it. Feels like more of a struggle when their attention has to be split.

@@HeroDM77 Different heroes with different villains, well differently. And usually don't take on Thanos level villains like Zod without a team.

when they watch BvS you have to explain the Matha scene to the people who still don't understand it. I just hope the like and understand BvS.

@@ethanerxleben6236 I will. I can pretty much guess already they're not going to like that scene. What I don't get is why people can see the depth in the MCU but not the DCEU. I like both, but to me, MCU is like fast food: it's quick and doesn't require much to get; but the DCEU is like a 5-course meal. There's layers upon layers, and if you get through them all, it's a much more rewarding experience. But that's just my personal tastes.

Just want to say, thank you, this explanation of Jonathan’s character in MoS is perfect. I always liked Jonathan here and for me he’s one of the best and definitely the most realistic father figures in any comic book adaption, because of how flawed he is. But I never fully understood why I liked him so much beyond that, now I do, so thanks Also good to see you’ll explain the “Martha moment”, I honestly strongly dislike people that don’t understand that moment and/or make fun of it

@@TheBoondocksaint117 yeah they didn't understand especially Holden he really doesn't understand these movies.

Nah. It's just an Uncle Ben Copy Nothing more

True, I agree

Yep! Holden was very annoying....the need to be funny during certain scenes and important ones were shredding my nerves. Quipping the entire time for whatever reasons rubbed me the wrong way....

Idk. The Star Wars order they used butchered it for sure, but I feel like here, as clear as Holden was against it particularly after the movie was done, I still think Matt was paying full attention to the film. It’s not a perfect film. It’s dense, probably more than it should be, and I think Jeremy was on the money about why the fight falls hard from a storytelling perspective. Like Holden is clearly trying his hardest not to drag this film XD but as much as this film gets right, it kind of shoots itself in the foot towards the end

Yep! I agree! He's very respectful of the movie he likes and very disrespectful of the movies he doesn't care for!

Yeah he was very annoying cracking jokes during the important scenes n talking over it was annoying n irritating

Spot on.

Exactly. It’s a Marvel bias. I love the MCU but as fans we don’t have to put down DC

@@willmorrell488 Especially when this movie is better than 90% of anything in the MCU

@@endowbi2423 Hey I love the MCU as much as everyone, it’s one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of film. But this film simply has more depth, character and heart than most films in the MCU

@@BoringReviews Not everything is mcu vs dc. Just because they are fans of marvel doesn't mean anything. They have talked good things about many other dc movies, this movie just probab ly didn't stick with him.

It’s kinda of a dog movie. They do it through most subpar movies. MCU included.

@@tehClew True, but Man Of Steel is really underrated and is the best DC movie we have now.

@@tehClew dog movie is abit harsh, but if dats ur opinion den fair enough.. but if there joking around wen matt hasn't seen it then he's not goin to take it serious from the start..

@@victorcapote7376 Better than Justice League and BvS, worse than Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Joker, Shazam! & Aquaman. I refused to see the shoddy insulting looking Birds of Prey movie that wasn't about the Birds of Prey, but guessing MoS was better than it too. Also haven't seen WW84 yet but have a feeling it's more watchable. As a Superman fan, though, I just found the film absolutely insulting to who Superman and the Kents are. Most prior DC movies before they started calling it DCEU also rank way higher for me, and that includes Superman Returns and Green Lantern.

@@bretts8070 I mean, I guess I see what you mean and how it was insulting. But they tried something different and I liked it. And I think it was better than Suicide Squad, because that movie has noticing CGI and a bad boss fight IMO, Wonder Woman was good, but didn’t feel as epic as I thought (and neither WW84), Aquaman was very good and Shazam! was great. But even if you find this movie insulting for the character of Superman, you have to admit the CGI was great, the flight scene was great, the soundtrack is spectacular, the fights were god-like and the way Krypton looked was great.

Still bad lol

@@putalover4519 sure, but still a good improvement

@@putalover4519 its not bad, it is a solid 7.5/10 , the ultimate edition,

@@putalover4519 It's actually it's better for starters there isn't no cat that scratches someone's eye

@@putalover4519 cap as fuck

agree. but i love MOS more than BvS

BvS (Ultimate Edition) is deadass my favorite comic book film of the last decade.

@@Gojirawars03 Damn im happy for you chief i wish it was the same for me

I seen many having that reaction, they saw the first time, and liked or didn't but then they re-watch a 2nd time they did an 180. I had the same reaction when they came out, but couple a days later I rewatch the Mos and BVS, and I was like, dude this is awesome.

I still don’t like a lot of the decisions he makes for his movies, and the biggest issue for me is how he portrays Batman. I fall on the “Batman never kills or uses a gun” camp, and there’s a lot to it as a reason for why I don’t think he ever should. Superman and the morality of a superhuman that wants to be normal but has a responsibility to others is a powerful idea to tackle so I love how it’s treated here, even if I think Superman should have tried to save people more than he did here. All in all, at the end they’re just movies, I just wish they went a slightly different direction...... and I don’t like them very much for the direction they went lol

“Clark has never killed before” 😂 What do you think happened when he needlessly flew into several buildings in a densely populated city, bro? It looked like super-9/11 by the time he was done.

@@spenser9908 He didnt flew, he was punched and fighting with a force he never had experienced before :) its a more realistic take on Superman with all its concequenses. Powerful like that a punch and a fight with a similar powerful being means destruction.

@@lucifer0247 No, he and Zod were throwing each other into buildings the whole time. Superman didn't think to take the fight elsewhere for some reason. But we're supposed to feel bad for him about killing Zod after he's blatantly killed thousands of people during the fight. Awful writing.

@@spenser9908 he couldn’t take the fight somewhere else lol and even if he tried Zod was still going to take the fight there because like he said “either you die or I will”

@@spenser9908 "Superman didn't think to take the fight elsewhere for some reason." Blatantly false, superman tried to take zod to space and then was punched right back down. "But we're supposed to feel bad for him about killing Zod after he's blatantly killed thousands of people during the fight." Supes didnt kill them, Zod did. Superman just wasn't good enough to stop zod from doing so, which youknow, makes sense considering he's been superman for like less than a week during that fight sequence

Almost too late there. Don’t think anyone that watches Man of Steel is going in with an unbiased opinion, pretty much all media trashes it for some pretty stupid reasons, and a lot of people nowadays would rather listen to others than form their own opinion

Matt is a stranger to peer pressure, if he dislikes a movie the other like or vice versa he isn't afraid do say it.

He was kidding

Matt mentioned in the Batman v Superman video that if it ever gets to the point where it might change his opinion or ruin his opinion, he'll say something.

There your average marvel fans they makes fun of dc and in even post discussion pastor compared uncle Ben to pa Kent.when uncle Ben is kinda a copy of pa Kent

@@Snyderfan99 I get what you're saying but it's a respect thing,they never did it this bad with the MCU run...you can't tell me that all the joke cracking did not affect Matt and Jenn's viewing....it'll be interesting to see which version of BvS they watch as we all know the extended cut makes so much more sense from a storytelling standpoint

I agree one hundred percent.

@@Snyderfan99 Its not always "us v them"

@@Snyderfan99 i found that whole comparison with uncle ben and jonathan kent so stupid. They were acting like theyre supposed to be the same character 🤦‍♂️

he's literally destroying the experience with these unfunny remarks.

Holden is a MCU fan so I’m not surprised he had those remarks

@@tarzangrant123 I'm an MCU fan and I like this movie. Holden is just a whiny shit.

@@TimedRevolver that’s because you’re mature, Holden is a clear MCU fanboy, his behavior during this video shows it! However it’s nice to see that people can like films from different universes and be objective. I’m not a fan of the MCU but I’m not gonna down it just because

Or like some, he just isn't a fan of the DCEU, or maybe not this movie. I do not like it either. Doesn't make him an MCU fanboy

Very sad

Ill start to understand his films, when he starts to understand these characters. Fair trade.

@@chand911 that sounds like you want the movie made a certain way just to please you.

I understand his vision even if I disagreed with some things like Batman killing but BvS gives hints to why he does kill sometimes he’s broken because I assume the joker killing robin but seeing Superman is a person who wants to help pulled him back from that so I’m okay with it now because I thought it was handled well

WHY ARE WE YELLING?!

@@ochayethenoo I HAVE NO IDEA!

Its still bad though...

@@hiiamhi.23 not even close. 9/10

@@thorshk HA! Nice one

Yeah, they kept joking around most of the time and did not get to experience it’s full potential. This movie is one of a kind and truly is a masterpiece.

I was watching this on my TV where there isn't an option to read comments. I specifically loaded it up on my phone to see if people were just as annoyed as me by Holden constantly trying to be funny... Not only are the jokes cringe but the whole point of a reaction video is to get the true reaction of someone experiencing that films intent. Not a 3rd party slapstick fest. Hope he learns from this and tones the eye rolling shit down. I also felt that the others were subconsciously getting annoyed with him piping in every minute to say something unfunny.

and they blamed superman for the destruction at the beginning of the world engines fight. But Superman was on the other side of the world stopping the one there, Superman couldn't save the people in Metropolis and he snapped Zods neck because Zod said he would never stop harming the humans and Superman didn't want that so the only way to stop him was kill Zod.

Yep. Doesnt make sense, its like complaining that there was civilian casualties stopping the nazis. Yes it sucks but its better than the alternative. Also not done on purpose.

He wouldn't do that if its marvel

@@rashadwalker8218 ah yes the whole "hE's A mArVeL fAnBoY" narrative almost as if Holden never joked during Marvel movie

@@pawepetek7294 it’s okay to make jokes, just not in important moments

He made jokes because he knows most people don't like this film.

It annoyed me as well. Really important moments wasted for a first viewing...

i miss when these videos where just Matt and maybe one other person now every my friend watches needs to be a friggin watch along party.

@@evenhartwick4422 just skip to the parts with Matt if it’s such a big deal

I half agree. The humor adds a lot to the videos, but if its constant talking when the film is going on it takes away from the reaction, for me at least.

Well would ya look at that, Matt himself does not care, so shut up fanboys.

Man stfu

Well that didn't happen so

But he didn't miss the point. Zach Snyder retroactively made Justice League as a response to both the critics and Warner Bros. execs before being pulled off of the film. Snyder honestly doesn't get the character, just like how Katheleen Kennedy doesn't get Star Wars, and made changes to fit his vision. And the Synder Cut was an even bigger tweak filled with fan service. But it ultimately still failed to understand Superman. It's like the guy only read Frank Miller's Dark Knight returns, loosely read the Death & Return of Superman, then watched the cutscenes for Injustice and decided that those dark moments are what makes Superman. Though I still mostly blame Warner Bros execs and shareholders for not getting their act together to this day.

It's like comparing John Walker's Captain America to Steve Roger's Captain America. The dressing doesn't matter, it's not Superman and just because he (barely) attempted to change it later doesn't excuse 2 horrendous reimaginings that came in MoS and BvS.

@@lucariomew365 but if some people didn't like this portrayal of Superman, that doesn't mean it's bad. That's just their own opinion, just like other people really liked this take on the Man of Steel. By no means this is a bad movie because someone personally didn't like this Superman.

@@romancortes4376 Not to mention that Superman writers like Dan Jurgens loved those movies. So if anything, it might be the hater fans who misunderstood the character.

He's like : They will come back at some point.

Technically they did.

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@@themultiverseproductions8492 lol I forgot about that

I Do Too. They went in to clown this movie instead of watching it and have their own opinions about it. They just kinda of piggy backed off each other opinions with slight changes. People done have to like the movie but i dont think at least in this viewing it was given a fair unbais review...in my opinion

When people complain about too much destruction when two god is fighting , that is when you know that they can't bring up any real critic about the movie so they try to create a stupid reason to hate it

@@davidkosiba624 dude exactly. They're trying to be all hip and nitpick the f out of this film instead of take it for what it is...a superhero movie. Sheesh.

You're not alone. Clowning jerkoffs just go out of their way to make us feel like isolated nerds for liking these things.

I wish other people would see it that way

Has to be ultimate cut surely?

I doubt they wouldn't do the ultimate cut. Whenever theres a special edition, theres going to be alot of "well if YOU had just shown him the RIGHT VERSION, he would have liked it." Although tbh I don't see him liking either. He might get a bygone jim moment out of the ultimate edition, but itll be even longer which will hurt the score.

Ultimate had some good additions, but it didn't fix the problems and made it slog on even longer.

Better be ultimate

Even though people consider the Ultimate Cut the only way to watch it, it doesn't change the fact that the theatrical cut was the version people experienced in theatres. I'd prefer it if they watch the original version to feel what it felt like in theatres, but I understand if they watch the ultimate cut (I as well enjoy it more than theatrical) But I always recommend watching theatrical versions before extended or directors cuts

I think I'd be better if they watch both versions so they can compare which is better

@@lionelladvelino4795 every knows that the Ultimate Edition is better tho

you can't polish a turd just by calling it Ultimate Cut

yes very important cuz they cut alot of key plot points in the theater cut

Because the film is a joke.

Gotta find a way to entertain yourself.

@@spenser9908 a lot of people say otherwise

@@SupremoJVT If that were the case, you'd have gotten a MoS 2 and not the desperate damage control BvS, which brought in Batman hurriedly to make up for how poorly received that shitshow MoS was lol.

@@spenser9908 that movie was so good-

Yep.

sadly true

Great comment. Thanks for the insightful take.

I left a comment explaining this as well. Brilliantly worded

Yep, that and wouldn’t want his son taken away from him

More one than the other.

@@thereisnopandemic well one is over 20+ years older

Did you see Avengers blowing buildings up? No. Avengers were defending a city and evacuated the civillians while Superman just flies through multiple buildings which collapse on hundreds of people lol

I mean its always an issue in superhero stuff least the MCU acknowledged it in Cap civil war, it does bother me that Superman in this didn't try to make an effort to save more people like he could have taken Zod or lead them to a desert area instead of the city

Did you just skip over Civil War?

Exactly. Like New York was literally a cemetery at the end of avengers with no mention of it and nobody said shit. I mean infinity war used Thanos ship like it was the world engine and people still said nothing.

@@Narutoanime16g it was his first day as a superhero. It’s not like he dealt with any super powered beings before.

Snyder went too far though. It makes Superman look callous and unconcerned with the innocent bystanders. Plus at a certain point it feels like spectacle with no substance. Cut the final fight down to 1/3 of the runtime and it might be decent.

@@nicolasbanks7871 actually Superman was concerned he try to take the fight outside of earth but Zod brought it back to the world. It was Zod keeping the fight in the city not Superman. But also if you seen the cartoon and read comics this happens a lot so why would people complain? Especially on a Superman who’s his first time wearing the cape.

@@nicolasbanks7871 Well if Superman would have stopped fighting to save innocent civilians than Zod would probably had taken advantage of Supe's compassion for humans as a way to kill more people while Supes was distracted. His goal was to stop Zod as quick as possible to avoid more fatalities in the long run. If Supes had stopped to save a few lives than Zod could have killed many many more in the mean time. Also, I don't see why you're saying the fight was bad. It's one of the visually best superhero fights that I have seen anywhere. The fight is also already pretty short. It literally lasts like 10 minutes... It's ridiculous. People complain about this fight being too long while we have fights in movies like Avengers Endgame where the final fight lasted for like a solid 30 minutes. And Inifinity War the final fight was like an hour almost... There is clearly a double standard when it comes to Zack's DCEU movies and the MCU movies.

@@TitanLRV You're writing the script for Snyder and Goyer. There are ways to have Superman save civilians and still win somehow, but it's not my job to say what they are. My point is that I don't know what this Superman stands for. There are conflicting messages and Clark's line "Krypton had its chance" carries no weight. Why does he care enough about humanity to doom his own race to extinction? I don't know. The lack of care for civilians just compounds that issue. About the final fight length, I'm not the one making comparisons to Avengers movies. But the fight in MoS feels longer because (1) it's almost entirely punching and buildings collapsing, and (2) it has less emotional weight. Again, I don't understand Clark's character and motivations enough in MoS to care whether he wins or loses. The complaint is less about literal runtime and more about the writing. Since you brought up Infinity War, while the action takes up more runtime than MoS, I'm more invested in the fight and its outcome because the characters are extremely well-developed. I was worried about Tony Stark when Thanos stabbed him. Vision's head being cracked like an egg was a tragedy. I can't honestly say that I'd care if Lois Lane got crushed by one of the (many) falling buildings in MoS. I get the sense that Snyder wanted to have his cake and eat it too. As in he wanted spectacular fight scenes without emotional investment. I agree that the movie looks great, but that doesn't make it compelling. I don't hate MoS. It has some nice details. But the execution falls flat. I actually love Snyder's take on Batman, but he was the wrong person to direct a Superman movie, unfortunately.

@@nicolasbanks7871 I disagree because Batman v Superman addresses the destruction of Metropolis in a pretty major way. If this was a standalone movie though i'd completely agree with you that the damage was ridiculous.

Don't get too personal just because someone doesn't like your shitty superhero movie lol.

Agreed and @Spenser your opinion is shitty.

“You don’t like my movie so your parents didn’t love you!” Oof man I forget when youtubers get popular we get shit like this in the comments.

Most of the hate from mos was just critics complaining about the destruction and zods death. I always say it was his first day on the job he really didn’t know what to do

It was awful. Contrived writing. Terrible characterisation. Shaky cam. Pretentious.

Man of Steel is great. The shit that goes on in this movie, is exactly what Superman needed to make him the Superman the world needs.

@@spenser9908 Care to elaborate? You're just stating words that are meaningless without anything to back them up..

@@Snyderfan99 even then big ass destruction isn’t really addressed much in mcu until civil war and then not really anything after. Tons of smiles and jokes everywhere while people are dead everywhere. Nobody ever shit talks those.

Yeah I really dont understand why people criticize it. Like the Smallville battle for example. That was the first time he had ever thrown a punch. It was the first time he had ever fought anyone, and his foes just happened to be highly trained elite Kryptonian soldiers with years of training. And I still cant believe people complain about him killing Zod. Zod said 10 minutes before that "I will make then suffer Kal, these humans you've adopted, I will take them all from you one by one". Zod was never going to stop killing people, and the only way to stop him was to kill him

EXACTLY !!Zod is a fearfull character that was born to do everything he can to protect his kind.He would not stop in an instant to kill as many people as possible to hurt supes, with the first probably being his mom. That's why he did not have a choice but to kill him and hate himself for doing it.

Superman saves the day. He didn’t save shit in this movie but me from having to endure another minute of this movie. Superman 1978 is one of the greatest superhero films in cinema. Man of steel was solid but it is far from a “masterpiece” or anything these fans claim this film is. If you think it’s a masterpiece that’s fine, it’s your opinion... but honestly I’d pick returns over this movie tbh.

@@somegeekguy how the fuck do you expect him to save people when he fighting zod 2 god like being fighting and if Clark tried to save people zod would easily just kill more the best thing for him to do was to fight zod movie is amazing but always got them haters who want everything to be sunshine like marvel

He still was not a try hard. Worst Superman movie.

Probably one of the worst things about this movie, almost everything he said and did was terrible and his death was completely pointless and unnecessary. It's like rewriting Uncle Ben's death in Spiderman. Jonathan Kent dying due to a heart attack was something that reinforced that Clark, even with all his abilities and powers, couldn't save him and carried with him.

The movie needed to spend less time on the Krypton stuff and more time on how the Kents are the reason why Superman is a boy scout. Superman's abilities come from his Kryptonian ancestry, but his values come from being raised by the Kents in Smallville. Instead of teaching Clark to fear and doubt people, Jonathan Kent should have been the reason why Superman has the values he does. I took this terrible portrayal of Jonathan Kent as urban people (the writers of this movie) completely missing the mark on rural people. Kevin Feige would have never let the character be so misrepresented. I also feel that Mark Waid got it wrong. Superman does not represent hope. Hope is passive. Hope is waiting around for someone to fix things for you or that things will just get better on their own. Superman represents inspiration. Superman does good things, plays be the rules, and never kills because he knows that people look up to him and he inspires other people to do the same.

I wholeheartedly agree but this Jonathan was just a man who didn’t know how to deal with this stuff, it’s honestly very realistic for a parent to say they don’t know the right answer to a problem they haven’t faced The issue is the execution I think, he kinda comes off like he doesn’t really consider it, but yet again, maybe he never really had to cuz he’s not so good, maybe this Jonathan has a bad past and Clark was his chance to try his best

@@googleislame Jonathan doesn’t teach Clark to fear people and doubt people. And no characters were misrepresented. Something Kevin Feige would definitely allow happen since he’s allowed it to happen with plenty of characters. I d

@@googleislame No, it didn't. We had a 10 season long show about that. We already know it. If they did it, you same haters would whine about retreading the same shit.

I feel the same way, i absolutely love it! The score by Hans Zimmer, the tribute to christopher Reeves, the action scenes i love absolutely everything about this movie..BvS not so much..and everything that came after...The studio really fucked up something that could have been good if they just would have taken their time..like Batman after Man of Steel and then Man of steel 2 and maybe an other movie before going in to BvS and Justice league..

You’re not alone

Honestly I prefer this over some marvel movies

From a film making standpoint it was visually and musically fantastic, but from a writing standpoint it was mediocre.

@@Kronical69420 nah you just don’t understand the movie clearly then

@@luckyraygun1607 😂 Yeah no. TLOU2 is an underrated masterpiece.

No the movie is garbo

I think it's the movie's lack of focus on civilians causing the issue people have, not just that people die.

Somewhat valid, But typically during Marvel movies they have evacuation scenes or scenes where characters go out of their way to stop civilian death. Also if superman Is strong enough to snap Zod’s neck, and smart enough to read Plato in middle school. I don’t think it’s a stretch of the imagination that superman could’ve taken some action to at least TRY and get Zod out of the city

@@Wlof25 Personally I disagree with the assumption that there was NOTHING Clark could’ve done to minimize damage to the city. Even with Zod’s goal to cause destruction, Zod and SM were pretty evenly matched, so it’s not a matter of could Superman get Zod out of the city, but did Superman even try, that was the problem. I don’t think this is necessarily Clark’s fault I think this is a problem with the script.

@@Wlof25 Just beat him into the atmosphere. Or keep the battle in Smallville rather than taking it to the city. Clark doesn’t even seem to care that he and Zod just cause the deaths of 5,000.

@@AD-zp4pd Um... they DID go out of the city. They went to Space. But they eventually were brought right back down.

Same here. Hated the movie 7 years ago when I watched it but now after researching it I absolutely love it

Because its his youtube channel

@@terinielsen5179 You spelled 'because he's a MCU fanboy' wrong.

I think the point if Cavills Superman is his development into the "big blue boy scout". Its something that most other iterations skip over, and he usually feels like he has no development. I really appreciated that they made him inexperienced and much more human than ever before

@@icemav5740 True and if you really want to see the development of how he becomes superman, just watch smallville. They did a fantastic job with the whole relationship aspect between clark and his parents.

@@icemav5740 that’s because Superman Boy Scout attitude is a product of how he was raised and not of him being a superhero. That’s where MoS fails big time

@@mercutioescalus6782 I think it's you who fails

@@mercutioescalus6782 No. Superman's Boy Scout attitude was a product of the times in which he was rebooted. 1986, Superman became the Big Blue Boyscout, prior to that, you had Bronze Age Superman, who was hella arrogant, Silver Age Superman who was a real dick and Golden Age Superman who was damn near villainous in how he acted. I will elaborate beginning with Golden Age Superman. Superman was found by Mary and Jonathan Kent, soon to be renamed Martha and Jonathan. He was taken to an orphanage and left for several days until Jon and Mary came back to adopt him. He came to Metropolis in 1938 after Ma and Pa had died. He was aggressive, tough, arrogant and cared NOTHING for damage done to criminals or property even when said property had nothing to do with criminal behavior. Superman lost a friend to a car accident so he went around stealing people's cars and sticking them on their garage roofs. He stormed into a radio broadcast while it was on the air, took over and demanded that people stop driving and then he smashed through the wall to leap away. He found a bunch of people living in slums and just burned down the slums so the owner would have to build better homes, with no thought towards where all the now homeless people will stay. He routinely threw criminals several yards through the air towards the paddy wagon with no concern if they broke bones. Silver Age Superman, Ah, Silver Age, when Superman was made ridiculous thanks to the Comics Code Authority. I will simply refer to Superdickery.com for everything that Silver Age got up to. Bronze Age Superman was very arrogant, he told Martian Manhunter to hand over a key that Mongul wanted and Martian Manhunter said no so they fought. Supes easily beat MM and MM warned him of what would/could happen if Mongul got the key. Superman blew off MM's concerns with, "I'm Superman." as if that was all that was needed. Supes lost the key and had to eat a little crow, but he was still arrogant about it. Wolverine has his famous line, "That's my job, that's what I do, and I'm the best at what I do." That was Superman's attitude throughout the Bronze Age. Modern Age Superman, the one rebooted in 1986, was the All American boy, football, baseball, track star with a genius intellect through his school career, using his powers to put himself ahead until he became a senior and finally realized that he was not being fair to the boys that actually worked hard to play. He quit and decided to be a better person. He left school after graduation and traveled the world experiencing different cultures before returning home and moving to Metropolis.

They both are messes

Did you say clone wars!? Whennnn!

@@whatsnerdypodcast3649 he started watching it with Jen, they’ve just done one video atm but there’s more coming up

yeah, where'd she go?

Not if he knows the og character and good films

The OG character? You mean the one who carried around a gun a shot people?

he should watch the Ultimate Edition of BvS

@@ethanerxleben6236 Yes Affleck's bare ass would make all the difference in the world

@@ethanerxleben6236 What's the Difference between Ultimate edition and Theatrical cut?

@@atharwamalawade259 Batman’s butt man

@@atharwamalawade259 30 minutes of extra footage that helps the narrative immensely in Superman’s motivations for going after Batman among other things including an R rating. Warner Bros. wanted it to be 2 and a half hours and forced Zack to cut the movie up which detracted from it quite a bit, and the Ultimate Edition reinstated that footage.