My Giant Propel Is FINISHED - First Ride Impressions 

Cola go v4rs, now you won’t have a home 😂😂😂😂😂

@@LittleBU96 My buddy 10 minutes from me has a brand new one for sale haha

Aethos 🚴‍♀️✨✨

@@kawabus Ohhh an Aethos sounds pretty tasty...

Yeah try aethos

That means a lot thanks Samuel! 🔥

​@@PatrickLinothat was an inspiration really. Ordered the same color! Keep it up Pat!

There's no perfect bike. Tcr were built for climbing, Propel was built with a mindset to be an all-rounder bike. The Propel might not be as good and the Tcr in climbing but it makes up for hit on the flat ground. You can't get the best of both worlds, there is no such thing.

Factor ostro is such a beautiful frame and every single one of their colors are bangers. Building up a ostro rn

@@jadenngl Dang! Send a photo to my IG when finished!

@@PatrickLino Will do

I am currently running a ribble ultra SL R and it is amazing. Literally almost no one in the US has one...which is also a plus.

@@roadcyclist1 How much was it??

Ahhhh I have the spacers in reverse order. Makes sense, thank you!

No problem, I work for a Giant dealer and yours isn't the first one I've seen backwards.

Thanks Luis! Always means a lot coming from you. Ride safe this weekend!

Thanks!

Got an opportunity to buy a frame only from 2020 but figured that could make things a little awkward ha.

@@whitebeardcycles And now you've learned a valuable lesson as to why you should never be exclusively loyal to any brand.

Not exclusive, things on the horizon.

Whaaaat!? I didn't know this. Thank you!

Thanks Victoria!

What do you have in mind? I know there's brands like NICH, Cube, Elilee, and Dare. I just don't know if they distribute to the USA...

@@PatrickLino Saw an aero Tavelo branded frame on a Panda Podium IG reel. Can’t find any info on this bike. Maybe it’s an PRC or Taiwan OEM rebadge. Portugal has emerged as a lower cost manufacturing center for European bike brands. But no idea if Portuguese manufacturers distribute to North America.

@@Z64025 I have some insight on the Tavelo frameset, but I will wait until we have official details from Panda Podium!

Thanks Galen! Pleasure meeting you few weeks back!

@@PatrickLino Agreed, I'm glad I made the pilgrimage 😁

maybe ill try a Madone next hehe...

​@PatrickLino I wish I could find a Giant propel in NY...you're ahead of the game..those prime bars are amazing..I had them on my 2021 cervelo caledonia 5..

Great stuff! New bike days never get old.

honestly i think fastest should just be measured in responsiveness and raw sprinting ability. i went from a specialized allez sprint (the model before yours) to a trek madone slr (the 2019 iso speed). the madone is lighter, more comfortable, more aero in a straight line but it's average getting it up to speed and doesn't hold a candle to the allez sprint when sprinting. for most of us i think the get up and go probably ends up being more important than the pure aero?

@@TheBassallyear100 No wrong answer, and I can see your point ❤

Thanks for chiming in! Good points.

Happy to hear! Great quality too for the price.

WHY ARE YOU YELLING!?

I rewrapped my bar tape about 4 times, and determined it's the shape and curvature of this particular handlebar that causes the wrap to look janky 😭- Haven't had this problem on any other handlebar.

@@PatrickLino It's a beautiful bike man! Congrats!

Any Canadian approval is welcomed!

Sounds like I need to visit South Africa!

Love*

@@andrewlioe3537 thanks for watching!

NO VIDEO of mine is complete without an inappropriate joke haha

Thank you!!!

Let me know what you decide. One of my clubmates owns two TCRs which he loves.

@@PatrickLinoI love new propel ,you made a great choose 🚴‍♂🔥🏎

Thank you!

Wicked! Send me a pic to me IG!

I'm buying same model and also considering upgrading the WS from SLR1 to CADEX 50 ultra , what do you think about this performance wise and also how is it with cross-wind?

Nice! What size and color?

@@PatrickLino Sangria

@@martenmann8119 Wicked!

Thanks for watching!

Thanks bruh!

Thanks! Currently running TPU tubes. I'm not convinced on tubeless for the road

Thanks for watching!

Sadly the local clothing brand has been out of business for 6 years 😭

I love what Giant is doing!

Haha not the Yaddas!

🤣🤣🤣

I rewrapped my bar tape about 4 times, and determined it's the shape and curvature of this particular handlebar that causes the wrap to look janky 😭- Haven't had this problem on any other handlebar.

Thanks for watching!

I'm interested what budget frame you had in mind haha

Car dudes, reporting for duty!

Yup Ultegra R8100. Not perfect but yeah better looking than the previous.

What you did there, I see...

DO IT!.

Also a great option!

Thanks for watching 👍🏾

Ayyyye thanks Gavin!

@@PatrickLino gotta love cycling 👍🏻

The Look 795 Blade looks sick! That was on my radar too.

but its heavy 8kg+ @@PatrickLino

@@egyasia okay

I run 130-140 on all my bikes.

@PatrickLino so you determined frame size based off of desired stem length and frame reach ignoring stack?

@@jordanmann7370 You must be new here, and I will forgive you. Watch my previous bike builds and you will understand. Otherwise go watch GCN or something like that.

@PatrickLino wow ok, GCN would never be a recommendation with regards to bike fitting. I just twitch when I hear RU-vidrs talk about TT and stem length when picking a frame when so many things impact a TT length and have little baring on position. Ie seat tube angle and head tube height dramatically impact tt length. My tcr was a 55 tt and my t1550 is 51 with the same reach.

@@jordanmann7370 I run a slammed 140mm -12 stem stem on my Allez Sprint size 56. And yet the Allez Sprint frameset is both longer reach and lower stack than my Giant Propel in the same size. My bike current fit (which was confirmed by my professional bike fitter) requires a lot of reach and a short stack. Very long arms for my height. What works for me may not work for you. And that's cool. My bike fit doesn't work for most people except maybe professional riders, although I am anything but pro.

Thank you!!

Thanks Robb!

I just use regular grease myself 👍🏾

@@PatrickLino Hmmm, it is not recommended to use grease with pressfit bottom bracket into carbon shell. But if it works, it works :)

Or one pair of Retro 3s as seen in the video 😭

@@PatrickLino 😎🥃

But then you got nothing to hold your handlebars 😭

@@galenkehler The man upstairs will take care of me!

Cool!

Ahhhh man 😭😭

I used to drive a Honda Civic. And now currently an Acura TSA (Euro Accord). Trust me I have a type too haha

Man that's a great question. It's a toss up between my current Allez Sprint and the Yishun R086-D. The Allez is responsive, super easy to work on, and comfortable (for an alloy frame) when set up correctly. Feels bulletproof because it's kinda heavy. The Yishun is much lighter, quite stiff, a fantastic value, but still suffers from minor harshness that comes with "cheap" Chinese frames. In a life or death situation I'd choose the Allez Sprint, but I also need to recoup some funds which the resell value of the Allez would help. Cheap Chinese frames have practically no value on the 2nd hand market.

@@PatrickLino Can you describe what you mean by harshness of the chinese frames? It is hard to quantify what you mean by that. Right now, to me, harshness suggests that the frame feels less comfortable and stiffer. Is this a correct assumption? Cheap carbon frames tend to be worse in regards to torsion stiffness compared to premium frames, what is your opinion on that? All in all great video, the Giant Propel was on my wish list aswell and I'm glad that you got one.

@@MDZPNMD Cheaper bikes use cheaper grades of carbon to keep the price down. Cheap carbon can be made super stiff, but my assumption is it won't have the properties and characteristics to dampen road vibrations like higher grade carbon. And it will be heavier. Obviously you can't cheat physics. What I think Giant (and other main brands) are doing is paying attention to the carbon layup in areas of the frame to have a good balance of stiffness (bottom bracket/fork) while offering comfort (seatpost and top tube.) Cheap bikes have a tendency to be harsher (how it interacts with bad pavement) because there really isn't much care given to carbon layup. Also, every single frame across the size chart requires its own rear triangle dimensions to balance out the frame size and riding characteristics. I heard this tooling is very expensive. This is why cheap frames essentially use the same rear triangle size and shape regardless of size.

Where would your yoleo r12 fit in your current line up? Amazing review btw, it makes my choice even harder now 😂

@@steph3n17 No comment Lol. The Yoeleo however is a very comfortable frame.

In no particular order: Winspace D67 Hypers (not the SEs), Craft Racing CS5060, and Magene EXAR Ultra 508. I have codes for most :)

TPU saves 50g per tube/tire versus latex and is more resistant to punctures, without any noticeable increase in rolling resistance.

I didn't wanna make the video 40 minutes long, explaining every nuance of the bike, testing, etc. Most people can't even handle an 18 minute video and it would be quite boring.

Silca recommends for me 71 psi. You need to provide overall system weight not just rider weight. I prefer road feedback over absolute comfort, even if it is marginally faster. And I would not dare sprinting at 65 psi for myself LoL.

In my previous Giant Propel video I mention why messing with your saddle setback (fore/aft) is a bad idea. Your saddle setback (and height) in relation to the bottom bracket really should be constant from bike to bike, to prevent injury.

That's gonna be dependent on your individual body and its capabilities. From watching a lot of bike fitting videos here in yt (and trying it out myself, though still not getting it perfectly), it'll be best to work from the lowest extremities of your body then working upwards (i.e., foot position > saddle position > handlebars), then making relatively minor adjustments as necessary to your bars and saddle position.

I need to do a follow up video. Too bad we have snow now lol

I started cycling 5 years ago using Shimano pedals. And that's why I switched to Look Keo pedals 3 years ago lol

Thank you!

No ISM is a great thing.

Why do you want an integrated cockpit?

@@PatrickLino I need replace my stem because is small, so, if I will spend money, I prefer search a cockpit 600-700 USD. I think 400 usd only for the steam it's expensive

Does Scott sell the frameset alone? I don't need wheels or groupset.

@@PatrickLino It is becoming harder and harder to find the budget friendly bike models as a frameset option :(

@@BrianMcDonald greedy bike brands!

​@@PatrickLino for real! It sucks that aside from a few exceptions most brands offer nothing under the $3300 frame price

Shimano rotors. All centerlock rotors can run either internal or external spline locks. 👍🏾

It’s not just the reach but also the stack height to consider. The stack height of the large is too tall. And I’m basically running a slammed stem on the M/L.

Might be best to contact your local Giant dealer LBS 💨

This was answered in the video ❤️

Any chain drops? I may need to upgrade to 53/39 chainrings

@@PatrickLino No chain drops on my end, had some really great mechanics to help with the the setup.

where to get that?@@PatrickLino

If I talked about how the Propel climbs while currently living in a completely flat city like Chicago, I would get crucified. So really it's a lose lose for me either way. Get the SLR version of the Propel if climbing that important to you. Or an SL8 🤣

@@PatrickLino ,..Yeah, I get it. Anyway, the SLR is too expensive and I wont buy a specialized. I think the Propel AP frame is about the only one I can afford that is at this level. Have you heard anything about a new Trek Emonda? That could be just the ticket. Thanks for your response, I appreciate it.

@@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed My first bike ever was a Trek Emonda back in 2015. I would probably get the SLR Emonda version if were to buy Trek again. But I think Trek has fallen out of favor for the more youthful crowd.

I ride it since the begenning of the year, I live in the french Alps, appart from the weight penalty (of course) I do prefer the feeling of the new propel rather than the disc TCR, really lively when you go up on the pedals and not so rigid on the saddle, really comfortable for a race bike. I've done some open race in mountain (equivalent of the etape du tour) and did some top 10 overall with it so I guess it does climb pretty well ^^

@@junovivi5037 thank you!

Those details were provided in my unboxing video, but no issues. And I hope not considering the price.

@@PatrickLino thanks bb

Narrow is aero! I also have narrow shoulders 👍🏾

Repeat your question please haha

@@PatrickLino I just curious. How do you feel difference when you on the hood and on the bar?

@@simonking9216 Very comfortable on the hoods. In the drops it feels like a rocket.

Thanks for watching!

Thanks bro! Your input is always appreciated. #RobbArmstrong

Super flat here in Chicago

Power meter though

@@PatrickLino Both the sram red dub and gap are 8 boltninterface and should be compatible with dfour?

I wear exclusively Monton Sports, which I have a 15% off code in the video description. Shades, jerseys, bibs, socks, even in the photos, are from Monton Sports ❤️

Thanks for watching! Any specifics on the comparison you would like to know?

Yes the stiffnes, sprinting and feel of the ride.

Shame the local brand went out of business 6 years ago.

Thanks for watching!

This isn't the top end Propel, and the Propel in general is more of an all-around aero bike than climbing bike 👍🏾

Thanks for watching!

How much do you love it?

I agree 100% haha! People on RU-vid are so sensitive about bike weights, I tried to be fairly neutral about my assessment.

Which frame did you purchase, and what about it makes it rough?

@@PatrickLino I think it was called Velobuild 2019 model. Cracks in the pavement, rough pavement, small potholes…. I cringe. Vertical stiffness. I been playing around with tire pressure to get a better ride Like your video said open mold frames are not the same frames minus name brand’s logo. Which I knew that going in. Overall I’m happy with it.

lol no it's just dirt/muck. I already wiped it off ha

Ok Great news! 😊 So happy for you

Me too hahaha

My mom

What do you mean by "Chinese parts"? Both wheelsets I've been using with this frame are affordable Chinese brands, and for all intent and purpose the carbon handlebars is also from China. The entire bike as a whole is technically manufactured in the Far East.

@@PatrickLino Ah didn't realize the wheelsets are Chinese brand. By Chinese part I meant Chinese branded or places the budget builder would go to for parts like AliE or direct on a Chinese branded manufacturer. By the way, looking forward to your TT-X34 bike review to see if it shines over the Yushin. After watching your videos, I'm narrowing down my options to those after having considered Yoeleo, Winspace, Elves.

@@ChrisHsu Thanks Chris. Stay tuned!

Thanks for watching!

Oh snap it's Freddy! What's up babyyyyyyyyyy!?

Thank you!

Thankfully my channel already has plenty of affordable frames on review.

Phantom Green, Digital Blurple, Carbon

The Madone is in contention

Which one? There are two in the video.

Not the fly, the other one.

The one at 3:17.

@@brandonwingate2199 www.abloc.com/

Came with the price of the frameset 👍🏾