Never realized I used 'the claw grip' :) Nice to be aware of it. I was planning on buying the MX Master 3S. Now I think I don't ... review was helpfull. thx!
To problem, glad it helped 👌🏻 depending on your hand size and if you even have any discomfort or not on your current mouse then the Logitech could be worth it but might not be essential. I do really enjoy mine now and definitely more comfortable, but I did learn to live with the Magic Mouse and the gestures still beat most other non magic mice out there.
The MX Master 3S uses the same wheel as MX Anywhere 3S do, which I have used for a few days already. I've chosed the Anywhere version because I do not need a horizontal scroll wheel, since I'm used to shifting for making horizontal scroll, and because of a size. The gestures are implemented better in a Mac Mouse Fix app, which works with all mice, except for Logi ones, if you have installed the app, because that one intercepts the mouse input. In fact, the gestures are not implemented good at all with Logi. It is hard to explain why exactly, but in short - they do not feel natural. Maybe because the mouse is locking a cursor position when doing gestures despite you actually moving the mouse, which causes a dissonance. In any case, after using the Anywhere 3S mouse for a few days, my impression is that It doesn't add much for me. It feels worse in gestures and scrolling compared to Apple Magic Mouse. It feels worse in gestures and scrolling compared to generic Logitech office mouse with Mac Scroll Fix app. Has less useful gestures too. The smooth scrolling option does not what you expect. It does not simulate the smooth scrolling of a Magic Mouse or Magic Trackpad. But allows for even more granular scroll between ratchet clicks, which is annoying because whatever you scroll shakes when you place your finger on a wheel. It does not do kinetic scrolling as you can do with touch gestures or Mac Scroll Fix on a regular wheel. The electromagnetic wheel can simulate this by sending a lot of by-pixel scrolls when you flick the wheel, but this is a hack, rather inconvenient. The electromagnetic wheel also does not allow for 1 line scroll per 1 ratcher click or any other number of lines, because it scrolls in pixels. This kind of scrolling cannot be changed no matter which sensitivity you set. The macOS settings for number of lines per 1 ratchet click is completely ignored. This breaks how games work with mouse wheel completely. I do one ratchet click but instead of switching to the next or previous item the game scrolls across a few of them. Every time the different amount somehow. The Logic app breaks how mice interacts with Mac Scroll Fix. Anything related to scroll does not work. And the sensitivity is kinda weird. I have been able to match it somewhat to what I get with magic mouse by setting a 450dpi value on a mouse. Which is weird, since Magic Mouse has 1300 dpi. Have no idea why this is, but in the macOS the same pointer speed is set, which is actually a multiplier for DPI. As for this moment, Anywhere 3S, which is a smaller version of MX Master 3S is underperforming for me. I feel better with a generic mouse with a descrete scroll wheel or with Magic Mouse, The only difference which made things better for me is that the wheel is physical and there is a second physical button, which Magic Mouse does not have. So yeah... Kinda not what I've expected.
Really good point with the gesture stuff. I agree it's a little odd when you use the gesture but the cursor locks. The scroll has definitely been updated but it's interesting what you say about how much it scrolls. It's worth checking again but now you can add smooth scroll and also use that with or without the ratchet. Not sure how it'll act in a game as I don't use it for that but it's definitely smoother now when enabled compared to how it acted when I first got it. Overall it's really the shape of the mouse I like. Like you said, if it had the touch controls for gesture it would be perfect!
Purchased this for ergonomic reasons. Hand cramping with Apple mouse and charging has become annoying. Crazy because I’ve had it for like 8 years. Should’ve switched earlier.
Yeah same. When I got the Magic Mouse I remember it hurting my wrist then I learned the claw technique but that certainly only reduced the strain, not avoiding it. I think it’s a good idea using ANY mouse that’s more ergonomic. Shame there’s not something that uses the touch gestures like the apple mouse though.
Thanks bud, appreciate the comment. Yeah it’s really groping on me. I don’t feel like it’s ‘better’ in any specific way but the size of it, even though I do claw it, it is a little easier to nudge around.
The dpi is not just the speed but also the resolution. That means, at for example 500 dpi set up, the mouse still runs at 8 thousand dpi (at least with the dongle), so the movement will be much more precised. Also the Magic Mouse runs at 90 hz, so u see a delay and the cursor is lagging a little bit on the 120 hz MacBook Display
I've not noticed the impact on the 120hz display but rarely use the magic mouse now, only for when I'm away from my desk and at that point I usually do more admin than anything mouse heavy. With the dpi though it seems to manifest as faster movement if I dial it up. Are you saying you could dampen the responsiveness but still have the accuracy? As in my head you crank the dpi and it's as if you're "scaling" the way it reads a surface so it reads more movement in less space.
I lost my magic mouse yesterday. The main disadvantage to it is it won't run when plugged in. My hand is small. But after finally getting it on, I tried to find out how to use the buttons. Switching between desktops is more difficult with the MX 3S. I didn't even notice the gesture button! I'm trying to find apps that use the buttons. And I haven't been able to find out the equivalent of a one-finger sliding my magic mouse over a mail preview to delete it.
Yeah I agree nothing quite matches the gestures on the Magic Mouse. On the MX Master 3S the horizontal scroll usually works to mimic the delete swipe in a lot of apps but it’s definitely not as graceful. I always feel it takes a little over one scroll with the thumb so not quite as slick. Definitely more comfortable for those with larger hands though
Sooooo I bought the Master 3S today----and I'm already considering returning it. It's a great mouse----but I can already feel my hand/wrist getting fatigued and having pain. ...which is weird, because I've used an Apple Magic Mouse for years. Guess I'm so used to the "Claw Grip" ... I might try the Anywhere 3S for Mac and see. Meh... Oh well.
Really interesting you’re getting pains with it. I would have thought you’d still end up holding it the same way. Is your grip on it different to how you hold your Magic Mouse? Has it got any better for you since commenting a few days ago?
Mouse acceleration is native in macOS, that means that u have this with every mouse if you don’t turn it off in the settings. I think Logitech options + also has mouse acceleration 7:09
Interesting. I couldn't see any options in the Logi Options+ app. I just get options for 'speed' on a 0-100% scale. Or I can 'extend dpi range' and then it uses a dpi scale to 8000. The result is still the mouse going mega fast!
I’ve personally not noticed it discolour at all. I’ve had it for 6 months and still looking fresh as the day I bought it. I also don’t use it while eating food so I do avoid putting greasy fingers on it which I imagine could make it go manky looking
Yeah mine isn’t yellowing at the moment but I am noticing a small amount of dirt building up on the other side where my fingers sit. I’ve not tried cleaning it yet but it seems that it will come off with a bit of soapy water. I’ll remain vigilant on the yellowing though
99% of the time no I have no issues, and I use all those on Bluetooth. I do, on very very rare occasions have everything disconnect and reconnect. It’s everything though so I’m not sure if that’s a Mac thing or Bluetooth. But it’s so rare and so instant it’s not really a problem. I have experienced issues with my Apple Magic Mouse strange lag and jitters but I was in an enclosed space, right next to a WiFi router etc and that caused issues.
No, extremely quiet. You can definitely hear the clicks in a silent room but if there’s any ambient noise it’s almost inaudible. Same with the scroll, if the mag scroll is enabled it’s silent. With the ridges (poor description sorry) they’re very quiet too. I rarely hear it during use and is A LOT quieter than the Apple Magic Mouse
For me, the winner is the Magic Trackpad, bar none. I can't live without all of the gestures. The Magic Mouse has more gesture support than the Logitec mice, but it doesn't support all of them.
Yeah you’re right but I definitely prefer any mouse over a trackpad for long term use. Using my Mac’s I get a wrist pain but that’s due to its position. My office setup I use the Logitech and external keyboard and honestly, I’m considering having a trackpad too for gesture control with my left hand! Not sure if that’s overkill or not though 🤷🏼♂️😂
Does the Logi Options+ app continuously run in the background? I noticed many reviews saying that sometimes, the saved customisations stop working randomly, have you noticed anything like that?
No I never have the app running in the background. I only fire up the app to tweak or change a custom button. I’ve not had the custom controls stop working on me. Sometimes the gesture control don’t respond as expected but I can’t tell if that’s user error or a bug. All the custom buttons and scroll are reliable though.
I've used a Master 3S with Windows for a few years, and I use app specific settings for Photoshop, and they work without Options being open. One thing I will say is that I am using Options and not Options+. When I installed Options+ it all turned to custard and stopped working. I can't speak for Mac OS - I have just ordered a Macbook Pro M2 Pro as when I looked into it, its a much better laptop than any of the Windows laptops. I rather think I will get a Master 3S for the MBP when it turns up, which is why I am watching this video.
@@TrevorDennis100 currently I am using master 3S with windows 11 and logi options+. Sometimes the saved customisations stop working. It happened a few times. When it happens, I just open the logi options+ once and the mouse starts working again with the preset customs. I honestly think the product is over priced though. I use this mouse for 12+ hours a day and the functionalities are good. But I will not purchase it again. It's good but ridiculously expensive.
I still have to search for the thumb button when I want to press it. Other buttons are natural. I can't decide which style of vertical scrolling I prefer.
my thumb sits bang on so I don't have that isse. Interestingly it's developed a slight indent where the button is so that helps me feel for it. Scrolling wise, I have the natural scroll turned on now but I keep the 'ratchet' magnet turned on. The wheel spins way too freely without it and I tend to knock it or rest a finger on it so the ratchet stops it from accidentally scrolling.
It’s like comparing tractors with mustangs, they are both great at what they do and cannot be compared. Magic Mouse is no mouse you can compare to the mx master. One is a trackpad on a moving device and the mx master is a specialized device and only being a mouse.
Interesting analogy 😅 which one is the mustang in this situation cuz I’ll take that one 😂 To be pedantic I’d say they’re more similar than that but I hear you. So you use or have you tried both? Which do you prefer?
Someone commented this on my video. Personally I can’t say I notice anything at all. To me it’s instant but I know some people are extremely sensitive to latency 🤷🏼♂️ In my opinion there’s no latency with this mouse but I’m using a Mac, and both the Mac and mouse are on the latest firmware. They do keep pushing updates to the mouse / Logitech app too adding features so i don’t see why you’d have any issues
No problem. There’s been a couple of small changes since I recorded it. They updated the logic app so you can actually have a more natural scroll. It’s not perfect as still working from ‘lines’ to scroll be definitely better. I also learned the mouse does have acceleration. This can be found in your Mac settings but it was already on for me. When I turned it off the mouse was incredibly responsive/ sensitive so left it on.
@@harrisonmudge thanks! I am looking for this mouse for 2 reasons: 1) I used to use first version many years ago and it was fantastic. 2) I started to have a wrist pain from Magic Mouse. After watching your video I still want to try it, but now more sceptical if it will will my issue :D
Yeah it’s a good mouse. It would depend on hand size to know if it would truly solve your issues though as like I show in the video, the hand position while slightly better many not be ‘ergonomic’ enough. But it might. A friend of mine has the super ergonomic one m, that’s basically a sideways mouse so your hand and wrist is completely neutral. That did definitely help his wrist pain. He used to just use a track pad the whole time so having a mouse at all I think helped him a lot but that was really gentle to his wrist
@@harrisonmudge yeah, let's see. Have a delivery today and then 2 weeks of testing before I can return that. Hope it will be enough to get rid of Magic mouse grip
Yeah I know what you mean. I learned to use it but it is an ergonomic nightmare for a lot of people. Like I say, I learned to use a claw grip but it took some time to get over the initial awkwardness. It's a shame other third part manufacturers can't implement the same controls. At least then there could be a choice for the type or shame of mouse out there. Right now it's either a small crippling pebble with amazing touch controls or a more comfortable grip but with just standard buttons.
interesting review. i'm the opposite. there's no world where i think the apple mouse is comfortable or what i want. I' ve never been a fan. I've had third party normal mouses, i've never like swiping, i prefer actual buttons. i've always preferred buttons. so for me this sounds like exactly what i'd like. myu parents have apple mice and i've never thought it was well designed and not ergonomic. I have read get the pc version and take the dongle for less latency.
Yeah the Apple mouse was a little crippling to start but I learned to claw it. The Logitech is definitely a lot nicer now i've had more time with it. I have the magic mouse in my bag for emergencies when I'm away from my desk and it feels like a tiny pebble now in comparison. I do really like the swiping and I'm even considering getting an Apple Magic trackpad so I can have my Logitech in my right hand and the trackpad for my left for gestures. Reason being my MacBook is raised so while not a pain to reach, it's a much more deliberate action than reaching just off to the left of my keyboard. Yeah I heard the same about the dongle but to be honest, one I don't want to have to have a dongle for a dongle and two, the latency isn't something I've noticed.
Harrison did you really just take several hours telling us the Master 3S is a different shape to the Magic Mouse. I don't want to be mean, but I was losing the will to live there for the first few hours, and then you carried on talking about it several hours more! Woah! Did you really just say that you set sensitivity to the max to save time? Regards the Master 3S being linear, do you know about Smart Shift which you can set up and control in Options?
Jezus wept in a bucket! You are still doing it. I really want to know about this stuff, which is why I am still hear, but by heck, if there is anyone in this world who takes longer getting to the point, I hope I never encounter them.
Definitely didn’t take several hours. You might have your RU-vid set to quarter speed if it took you that long. On that note if you think I take too long to get to the point you could always speed me up, up to 2x 😄 I appreciate you coming back for more of the content too. And FYI I do LOVE to talk. You should see how long the full recording was, this is a snippet in comparison.
I love this mouse, but Logitech is a horrid company. Soon after I got it, it dropped their customizable Logitech Plus software…. So now, this $100 mouse is just like any other. Because Logitech won’t update their software (it simply just crashes everytime it’s loaded), you have to buy a 3rd party software to unlock the ability to customize. Because of this, it’s a $50 mouse, at best….more people need to realize this.
Not sure what you mean bud? It still has an app Logi Connect or something similar that enables you to fully customise the mouse. Definitely worth double checking if you’ve got the right app.
@@harrisonmudge have the app. The app freezes every time it’s attempted to open. Delete, reinstall, attempt to open and it freezes. On top of that, it just runs and runs in the background process. It’s done this for months and plenty of discussion on Reddit about it.
@@NOT_A_TOP_FAN Windows or Mac? The app is called Logi Options+ now. I swear it's changed though so is it the Options+ app you're using or a different?
Thanks for the review! Just wanted to know if the mouse felt choppy compared to the regular mac touchpad. A few weeks ago I bought my mx 3s (the regular version, not "for mac") and it felt notably slow and choppy. Apparently, it is a common issue when 3s feels laggy while connected via bluetooth to mac (like it runs on a 90hz polling rate while the screen is on 120hz). So I wanted to know if it only pertains to the regular 3s version or the "for mac" as well. Will be really grateful to hear from you!
Hey again! I'm sorry to disturb you, but to be completely sure, could you please check the polling rate of the mouse (should be around 120-130hz) by this link: devicetests.com/mouse-rate-test? Mine gives me 90hz at best.. Huge thanks in advance!
My 3s for Mac also feels sometimes a bit laggy. I think it happens when there are so many things on the screen. I doubt it is a Ram issue as I have a 128 GB ram M3 Max
Hmm, I don't have any issues with mine BUT it is the Mac specific version. Yours is the one with the dongle right? I can't imagine there's any reason why it would have any issues though. The only other thing I can think is potentially your environment. Do you have a lot of other bluetooth stuff connected or are you surrounded by other electrical stuff? When I was in a previous office I used to be in a narrow space and right next to a WiFi router. My Magic Mouse used to jitter and lag. Not all the time but there was often interference and very frequent. I then tried moving to a different space, further away from the router and in a more open area and it solved the issue! Definitely worth looking at the area you're operating in. Hope that can help a little.
You're quite right regarding the non-linear cursor movement. That's one thing I haven't found anywhere else but in Apple. it's a shame they're not making ergonomic Mouses yet.
So I've been doing more digging and I did actually find it in the settings but it's not what I would have expected. With the Logitech mouse connected, under mouse settings on the Mac, there's an "Advanced" button. Click that and you'll have the option to enable or disable "Pointer Acceleration". What's really surprising though is that that setting, at least for me, is ALREADY ON!!! So it is actually doing it! Just no where near as much as the Magic Mouse does it. If you turn it off the Logitech is even more sensitive 😅 To dial it in you may need to tweak the Tracking speed as mine was on Fast (all the way to the right) so the acceleration isn't as noticeable. If you dial the tracking speed back the sense of acceleration is more noticeable. My Mac OS is on Sonoma FYI. Hopefully this helps you bud 👌🏻
No, none. I was speaking to someone else about this though and from a previous experience, funnily enough with the Magic Mouse, I found that I was getting jitters, lag and all sorts and believe the cause was because of interference from WiFi and other Bluetooth. Could try moving your setup or the things around you, at least to confirm if that’s it or not
If you're using a dock, or can be bothered to plug and unplug it when you move your laptop, you definitely want the dongle latency is noticably less than over bluetooth, atleast for me using a high refresh rate screen.
Yeah I can’t say I’ve noticed it in the slightest. Between my 60hz second monitor and my M1 Pro Max Mac with that screen that goes up to 120 it still feels exactly the same to me. But I’m also not doing anything that latency would impact so maybe that’s why I don’t notice?
