My Hyundai IONIQ 5 Charges So Much Faster Than My VW ID.4! Here’s How Much Time I’ve Saved 

Whatever the case is, I think we can all agree the time saved by charging was made up by creating this video talking about how much time he’s saved. 😬 nice video, Dad!

David, you're a very funny guy and entertaining to watch! We're always excited to see you in a video. We definitely would love to see more vlogs from you in the future! Keep up the great work!

15:24 The real advantage with the E-GMP platform is the *average* charging speed. The peak ~235 kW charging speed is largely irrelevant because the EV6 and Ioniq 5 can draw up to 170 kW from a 150 kW charger, and they will still be charging at 150 kW at 80% battery.

In my opinion, most EV people aren't thinking correctly about charging. Charging speed doesn't matter; only charging time matters. And the reason charging time matters is how it aligns to your expectations for the trip (opportunity cost). Having the option for a significant 10 to 15 minute charging session, even starting at >50% battery is important for road tripping because you can add an hour or more of driving range while taking a bio break. Outside of that, if you can add two hours or more of driving range while eating a meal (typically 30 to 45 minutes) you've still achieved that positive opportunity cost. The only concern for EV road trips is if the range and charging time add unwanted time to the trip (negative opportunity cost). Ultimately, it comes down to how you as an individual travel, and most online EV influencers seem to be suffering from group think (possibly from relying too heavily on Tesla's route planner over the years, which encourages deep cycles and short charge stops). As a result, they are trying to insist that quick pitstops are the only way to travel in an EV, when in actuality, many people don't travel that way, even in ICE cars. Going from my Chevy Volt to my Chevy Bolt EV in 2016, I literally only added 30 to 45 minutes to my typical travel time over 500+ miles. Why? While I could make the trip with a single, 10-minute fueling stop in the Volt, I was still stopping twice to use the bathroom and once for a meal (it's 8+ hours of driving, after all). Almost every modern EV can now make that trip in a similar time as I used to spend in my gas-powered Volt thanks to more, faster, and better-distributed chargers.

The time difference was way higher than i expected. Nice video giving a real world example that most people can relate too.

Dave, you are putting out really interesting and entertaining content. Keep up the good work.

Nice “fireside chat” Dave. I am currently considering both cars. Thanks.

Good video. I've been logging all of my charging in my SE and comparing to what I could have paid to travel the same distances in various ICE classes of cars. So, I have a similar spreadsheet although I haven't yet taken a road trip where I had to charge along the way - which will change this weekend. I made my first visit to the Richmond, VA EA station an hour after watching Dave visit the station on his trip down to Florida. Thanks to both Dave and Kyle for all the I5 videos. They really helped get me comfortable with making the leap to electric and I've been having a great time in the month that I've had the car.

Really appreciate this content! Very helpful. I'll be curious to see how the Ioniq 5 performs when the weather starts to cool again. I'm hopeful Hyundai will get a software update out to add preconditioning for the 2022 AWD models in the mean time.

Just did a 1078 kilometers road trip here in Norway, charged from 8% - 80% in 18 minutes according to the Ionity charger. Cheers from a fellow New Canaanite!

Great comparison! Appreciate the spreadsheets!

This was the best EV comparison I've seen on RU-vid in a long time!

Yah, the cruise control in the ID.4 has a few deficiencies. On my ID.4, I find that the cruise control tries to maintain the speed a bit too precisely. So dips in the road or wind gusts can throw it off and actually cause it to put the car in light regen when it should have just coasted the car instead. However, it also depends on the driving mode selected. In Eco mode, the ACC reacts slowly and doesn't jerk the car into regen immediately, whereas in Sport mode the ACC reacts very quickly and can jerk the car around unnecessarily (accelerating or decelerating). The main solution is to use Custom mode and set the ACC responsiveness to be as light as possible, but this creates a second problem in that it does not react quickly enough to slowing traffic ahead of the car. (This is with the 2.3 firmware that came with my AWD ID.4). I hear that 3.x fixes some of these issues but I don't know for sure. The one-pedal stuff... I just don't like it. It makes it difficult to defensively hover the brake because just letting off the accelerator significantly decelerates the car when I don't want to decelerate the car. Plus in B mode I have to keep my foot precisely in position on the accelerator at all times and that is really annoying. But I understand that a lot of people do like the one-pedal stuff. I far prefer D mode, and D mode will do light regen (fairly smartly too)... a tad less in eco/comfort mode, and a tad more in sport mode. But not so much that it upsets people behind you. -Matt

Nice video ! And the ioniq 5 is awesomeeee

Amazing video. Wow you've shared some amazing details. Amazing research. I still struggle in understanding some technical terms, but you and Kyle making these videos really help me in understanding the electric cars much better. Really appreciate your effort.

Really useful data and analysis. Thank you! I'm seeing $87,400 for the Lucid Ari Pure (RWD).

Pro Tip: kWh charged / time in seconds * 3600 is the actual average charge speed for the session. The "OOS session efficiency factor" is actually the other way round: charging time in seconds divided by kWh, which is a bit hard to understand, but in the end also a valid metric (how many seconds per kWh).

I saw a White EV6, Tesla & Red ID4 in the wild today for the first time. I saw a Rivian 3 times in the last week, I think it's the same one. The Tesla & ID4 where at my office, charging, The EV6 was at a Walgreens charging. The EV6 is very nice, the ID4 is larger than I thought it was based on videos and the Red Tesla was, well, bad a$$...

I really hope Hyundai/Kia can gradually improve the efficiency of these E-GMP cars. Charging is absolutely sorted. A bit of optimization of thermals or any software tweaks they can make will really improve what is already a very solid platform. As EA expands, road trips get even better with these cars so they can match Teslas in the real world. Real world meaning humans who need toilets and food and drink on trips.

Wow that's a great spec for the charging. I don't know how it all works for speed. I just took a trip. With my 2021 Bolt Premier from Jacksonville to Atlanta. 386 miles one way. It was my daughter and I. She had some tickets for a concert. We made the trip with another party that started in St. Augustine. Which is 35 miles south of us. We met at one of the few EA in the area. They have the Ioniq 5 SE. Really good looking car. Road trips are better with others. We both set up the trip in ABRP. My friends said 6.25 hours trip time with a 40 minute charge. Mine being a very slow charging car. Said 7.5 hours for the trip. Long story short version. I set up 4 - 20 minute stops. They had just 2 of 15 minutes. Since they were the first road trip. They decided to go and stop with us. So they over charged but it was free for them. I had to pay. It was a very good fun trip. As we would get off the charging and sometimes with lunch and shopping. It took more than the 20 minutes we scheduled. But it was still a great fun trip. My Bolt averaged 3.7 miles per kWh. Her was 2.6. we drove at 70 mostly. When travelling with time it's not really much of an issue. Between the two. But if you need to go fast and get there early then the Ioniq 5 is best. I just can't afford the 15k difference in price.

Dave loved the the video tesla Bjorn. Would be happy about your spreadsheet. I wish I was that good tired.

just a quick comment as i have not watched the full video yet, on your Tesla road trip comment. i stopped at the EA station out in Wrentham, MA to charge on my way back from Cape Cod on sunday. saw 3, yes 3 Teslas pull in and try to use the EA station, and fail. so there are many (most likely new) tesla owners that are still learning. this was in 28 minutes time. i so wish i could have talked to them to see what the story was, but i was on an important call. i know one tried to plug in, saw that it didn't fit, and drove off.

Hi Dave, Power is the kilowatts. Power is volts * amps. For example 400 V * 100 A is 40,000; but 800 V * 100p A is 80,000. One benefit of higher voltage is lower heat dissipation in the wires.

Thanks for the info. Hoping to do my first long road trip in my Ioniq this summer. Could you do an intro 101 tutorial on all the apps, planning, routing, gears you have in your frunk, etc for us newbies?

Dave, like you, we live in one place (Mississippi) and our kids and Grandkids are east and west coasts. So road trips will a multi-time-a-year event. I'm really looking toward the Ioniq 5 as a replacement for my Pathfinder. I don't need the size anymore but the wife would rather sit high when driving. Of course, I live in an area where I will have to travel hundreds of miles to buy one. And convince the wife.

Range and charging rate are both important factors. In my area, an 80% range closer to 300 miles would be preferable. Fast charging is not available as often as I would prefer. Charging right beside the highway is preferable to a detour in to a town or city to reach your charger. The big benefit to the Ioniq5 in this case is the shorter charging time. Approximately 2/3 of the time to charge vs the ID4. Two hours on the road at the speed limit instead of stopped to charge is huge. To really see the difference it would have been great had you used a GPS with detailed trip screens to record average speed while moving and average speed calculated with elapsed time (including stops for lights, signs, traffic, road construction, charging etc). At destination vs 2 hrs+ driving time still to go, it's a no brainer. Adding moving average speed and elapsed time average speed data to your spreadsheet would be very educational and an eye opener for a lot of people. Even an 18' charging stop likely entails at least 5' of off ramp, service road, getting parked and then actually getting plugged in and charging, perhaps a bit quicker to unplug, get moving and on the road again. This could represent a significant portion of the charging stop time. Percentage wise it will be less for the car at the slower charging speed but it still adds time to the stop and results in lower average speeds.

Love Dave's ioniq 5 videos!

Your session efficiency factor tells how many seconds it takes to charge one kWh (the unit will be s/kWh). Maybe a more familiar way to express how efficient a charging session was would be to say what average kW you got out of the charger? That would be Total energy delivered (kWh) divided by the time in hours (so Total energy delivered times 3600 divided by Time in seconds). The most efficient IONIC 5 session averaged 175kW while the most efficient ID 4 session averaged 107kW.

The ID.4 charging curve is significantly improved for the 2022 model year. It's still not as fast as the Ioniq 5, but closer.

would love an Ioniq 5 but the price is too high. So I am getting an ID4. Great content Dave.

Another great video

Also, another metric that might be useful in comparisons is Average kw per minute of charge. The peaks are interesting, but the average per minute is more representative of relative charging speeds. Great video, thanks!

David, thanks for the video. Here’s my situation, I live in GA about 42-miles from the office which has 32-free Type 2 chargers, we currently hyper-work with Mon & Fri in the office and Tues, Weds, Thurs from home and I’m retiring in 10 months. I live in an older townhome without a garage and no assigned parking spaces. The space I have been parking in without exception so far is directly in front of my home about 12-15 feet from my covered front porch and outlet, so installing a type 2 charger is currently not an option, although I’m working on the board to approve the install of the charger on my patio. I live within 10-miles of many EA charging stations and 8-miles from a Tesla Super charging station. We are currently looking at properties in Florida so my wife and I will be making 4-6 trips back and forth a year. After watching all of Kyle’s videos on all of his channels for the last 3 or 4 months I’m considering 5 different cars the Iconic 5 , EV6 , ID4 , Mini SE and a Tesla Y. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance.

Hi Dave! Great teaching video! Also enjoyed your road trip videos. Keep up the good work. … George (Tesla MYLR22)

Great job, Dave! Very informative! I think road-tripping skill is a huge factor as well. It'd be cool to see an expert such as Kyle do the race to Vegas again, but this time he's in the Mach-e. Bet he won't come in last. 😃

These detailed stats are fascinating! And love the comparison between the id4 and the ioniq 5. My id4 is on order and will mainly be used for around the town driving and day trips. I really would like the ioniq 5’s faster charging for long trips next summer, but with an MSRP of under $46k for the Pro S RWD and not having to chase down a dealer that will stick to msrp, I feel like for my situation, the id4 is a better choice. The mid level trim is affordable whereas on the ioniq 5 the higher trims are more than I want to pay.

I’m really loving my id4 pro S AWD, but I have a short intermittent commute, and don’t road trip much. I do really feel like this could have been two shorter videos, but… I still watched it/listened while working… 🤷‍♂️😸

MOST people are busy. Appreciate that and you will get more views.

New V3 software in ID4 will charge at 150kw almost to 80%

I think these charging comparisons should be put in terms of how long to add 100 miles of range. That's about 90 minutes of driving, and it would take into account efficiency (mi/kWh). For the same number of kWh's, different cars go different distances.

Enjoyed the video. How about a father son road trip race? You the Lucid air and Kyle the new “fat” E-tron

Dave, it would be interesting to do a comparison with your car to see just how much of a difference it makes between charging on a 350kW charger and a 150kW charger. Maybe take it from 5% to 100% on each. The biggest difference would be in the early charge cycle when the car can charge at its highest rate, but how much of a difference is there when charging to 100%? There may be less time saved than you think.

I think there needs to be a big push to get more Level 2 charging out there. I am not saying free but if I could pay to charge slow while at Costco I would be pretty happy with the little charging bump while shopping.

I am walking near East 19th In Philadelphia and the street charging is absolutely NOT happening HERE

I plan on buying an EV, but I thought it would be cheaper to charge on road trips. I see that it cost $170 to go around 1300 miles (I guessed the miles, and could have deducted the final charge). From my calculations, if I drove my hybrid, I could go that distance for $153 if gas were $4.50 a gallon (estimating 38 mpg when I can get above 40). It would be $237 if gas were $7 a gallon). My wait time would be how long it took to fill a 14 gallon tank a few times. I might stick with the hybrid option for trips and use the EV in town. Out of curiosity, how much does it cost to charge (average) per month for local driving using a home Level 2 charger?

December vs April is a HUGE data point to note. Don't just brush over it. For an accurate test, you must keep the control group the same.

great information but video could have been10-15 min instead of 40. work on condensing to just the important info...we want to hear it!

I love my Kia EV6 Light. It has the 58 kWh small battery. Charges similarly quickly as the bigger battery Ioniq 5 and EV6’s but just has a little bit less range. In the real world it means stopping every 120-150 miles, so a break every 2 hours which is actually really comfortable for the humans in the car. I’ve taken it on several road trips and for the most part it charges at 100-170 kW which is 2S to 3S. We stop at 70-90% SOC unless we really need to go 200 miles to get to the next DCFC (for instance going across West Virginia on I-77/I-64 where there is zero CCS public charging).

love the matte colors but how hard are they to maintain?

I agree with everything you say about the id4. Unfortunately I can't afford to just get rid of it and jump into the ionic. I too make the trip from the north to Florida and the time it adds to charge the id4 forces me into a hotel so there goes the free charging. If there were more chargers in more convenient places and if the mileage were greater then I would be ok with the i.d.. Now we have to increase range because as elrctric vehicles become more and more common we will have to wait to charge because unlike gas stations a EA charging station only has 4 to 6 chargers in most places. Bad enough to sit and hour charging but add to that waiting to charge like People in California at some Tesla charging stations that have 20 or so chargers. The only way to have enough chargers is to upgrade to 800 volt and more miles per charge. Otherwise EV adoption will come to a quick halt. As to the id4 features such as the cruise or ten second drivers assist. They suck. It's that simple. They shut off our don't work. Can't tell you how many times I almost got someone because the icc cruise didn't work . Great video

So here's my dilemma I run a private chauffeur service full-time. Usually in a Benz or Tesla. I put about $30 a day in the Benz or have to charge maybe twice at supercharger. Im looking at the ioniq 5 but I feel since it's less range I'll be charging even more. Time is 💰. I want to excite my clients with the EVs but sitting at chargers is like damnnnnn. So idk what to do. Stay electric or keep gassin up...? Help, thanks!

Hey Dave another awesome video mate thanks! I think the ID.4 as you said has the edge in highway efficiency, and hey 125 kW ain’t bad. But if we think about it this way: the ID.4 base vs Ioniq 5 SE, there is almost a $5,000 price delta between the two. And with the ID.4 you get 3 years of free charging. Plus a heated steering wheel in the ID.4. I’m truly torn here I have a base i5 RWD coming into Mirak mid-June but with taxes, fees and freight it’s almost a 50k car. Of course it’s really 40k after rebates. But 35k (ID.4) really just sounds better to me. It’s such a difficult choice on which one to choose. Ugh.

Do you recommend getting an extended warranty for the Ioniq 5?

I'm waiting for the more powerful version to start selling in Portugal... here we only have the 73kw 200 something hp even on top spec

Any concerns with the long term quality of Hyundai? You had a video around the 12-volt battery drain issue. Also how dirty (rain/snow) does the rear-window get?

What do you mean when you say it doesn’t have “plug-in” charge? Is that a reference to home charging options, or does it refer to how the chargers talk to your car and bill you?

Dave, did you ever consider buying a Tesla tap to allow you to charge at Tesla destination chargers?

Love this car. Definitely one to keep an eye on when the market cools down and it is time to kick the old ICE bucket.

I know what 800 volts means: more than 500 volts and less than 1000 volts. Easy peasy.

I would agree that the Ioniq 5 would be the better choice at this point, of a vehicle of its size & of course other than a Tesla. As far a charging it will simply take time to educate the masses. It is early in this type of vehicle.

How long do you keep a car? I think you mentiioned Ioniq, multple ID4's and multple Tesla's. I used to work for a car dealer and didn't have that many demos in my career.

have you ever done a charge comparison with your Ionic 5 comparing a 150 kw charger with the 350 kw charger say from 5% to 90%. would like to know the time difference as we have very few chargers in Canada above 150 kw

Hi, I already placed the order for a Tesla. I just saw this car at the grocery store. The owner was real nice. Now I'm thinking about getting this car but the wait might b six months. What should I do? USA Wyndmoor PA

Personally, 50 miles covers me for the day and I charge at night. This is why I have a Clarity PHEV. But for a road trip… well… personally I’d rather fly if it’s over 500 miles (1 charge / 1 fuel-up) because there aren’t enough fast chargers in my part of the country. But if you’re set on driving and have charging available, then I guess charge speed is all that matters.

Like the vw styling better 👍

Those cost per kwh are a lot higher than Tesla. So not only is the Tesla network a lot better and reliable it's also cheaper.

Gotta really see how LONG the faster charging BATTERIES last COMPARED to the slower ONES

Is 5k over MSRP fair on an ioniq 5 in today's market?

Is that a wrap or a matte color option

The problem with the Hyundai or the Kia is not the car, it's the fact that you can't order them like a Tesla or a ID4 from a dealer and get them for sticker, you have to wait for the dealer to get their allotment and then pay what they demand. So on paper they look like they only cost a few thousand more than an ID4, but in reality it's $10k - $20k more They may be a better car, but not $10 k better and certainly not $20k better

I have the ID.4 love the car specially for road-trips. Ioniq 5 is a very good option as well for the price range. Hopefully dealers won’t mark up them.

Great channe,l by the way . 👏 👍

More Dave videos!!

Maybe CCS should be only 350 kw and above and it wouldn’t matter.

Moving is not logical, it will cost you more time than it saves the other person. You should only be minutes away from being able to leave most of the time.

ID4/5 rwd can get 60 kWh in 29 min now.

Seems like an exercise in inefficient charging practices with all of these 90%+ charging sessions. It has been proven that charging to a lower SOC more often is more time efficient.

I have yet to find a non Tesla charger that actually works !

Best looking EV on the market! But it's all sold out! Sorry, but Tesla and VW's design is MEH and sterile...

I'd love to get a BEV, but I road trip a lot and I just can't deal with stopping every 200 miles and charging for a half hour. I can drive from NY to Central Florida with just two gas stops in my ICE car. I'm going to wait until BEVs can get an honest 500 miles of range and can recharge in 15 minutes. That's probably going to be a long wait!

The Ioniq 5 is so uncomfortable vs the ID4, I will take comfort over a few mins savings.

Three years time even the ioniq 5 will seem slow ... I can only think big car manufacturers will trade old battery technology for new technology ... 4xquicker and half as expensive... LOL