Using openrailwaymaps to see where rail lines used to be/were planned to be/are planned to be has opened my eyes so much in terms of railway infrastructure. A lot of things make so much sense when you combine openrailwaymaps and google maps satelite view
16:04 I bet one of the railway connections would link up with the Pensylvanian coal fields, or up to the Great Lakes along a man-made canal. Maybe even down South into the pine barrens of "New Jersey" and Chesapeake bay.
the ferry terminal in jersey city was made obsolete once the tunnel to manhattan was completed, another bit of history which is super interesting. would love it if eventually these freight lines could be converted to cycleways (whenever they add cyclists/ mods for cyclists) and light rail lines! so excited to see this project grow ❤️
You pointed out what may be old bridge connections for the rail lines, but those were actually likely rail barge platforms! As others have pointed out with the passenger ferries at Communipaw and Hoboken, they would pull cars out to the water, load them up, and float them across the river to rail lines on the other side. The best preserved of these is near Pier 1 on the West side of Manhattan, and there is actually one still operating between New Jersey and Brooklyn, but definitely modernized.
Also want to add that it might be a good chance to use some of these old yards and whatnot as a chance to place some of the other depots in the future like the trams or subway, when it comes time to reuse some of the old rail lines!
Also, where you added the second train terminal and the depot may be an excellent spot for a future major port! You could get more train action with the train add on for the cargo port, and build up an industrial area around it. In real life this would be near Newark Port, and perhaps south of the port you could build out a city across from Staten Island as your version of Elizabeth, NJ.
6:26 It was for both cargo and passengers. I checked that place out on Google Maps, and the passenger building is still there. Apparently this place was called the Central Railroad of New Jersey Terminal and I assume it dumped all the people arriving by train on the New Jersey shore to be taken to NCY proper by ferry.
35:00 The yard you're making right there would have been an old Penn Railroad yard in real life. Maybe you could say that this is an old Yen Railroad yard, and that it would eventually become a Yen Central yard. After Yen Central goes bankrupt in the 70s, it would be Yuanrail or Coinrail as the most wonderful blue livery, quassi-nationalised railroad. Sadly in the late 90s, YR/CR would disband and be split between the Kronapeak System (KSX) and Newpence Southern.
Something to keep in mind when building train tracks, they never go over 3% grade. When train lines cross roads, typically, the road is built under or over the train because cars can traverse up to 12% grade and trains only 3% max. Love the builds, just giving a small pointer if you are going for more realism than the game allows.
6:26 The Communipaw Terminal, owned by the Central Railroad of New Jersey, is now part of Liberty State Park. I still remember my school trip to the Liberty Science Center. 13:17 All the companies (the Pennsylvania, the Erie, the Lehigh Valley, etc) built passenger terminals on the river, with ferry connections to Manhattan. It was the Pennsylvania that finally got around to building a direct tunnel to Manhattan and then to Long Island.
The level of detail and planning you put into this city is next level. You are incredible! If you can make a wonderful city with this bare bones game (that still needs some mods and improvements) is inspiring. Thanks for creating this masterpiece for us
I‘ve played CS1 in 2019 more than 300h and used a lot of mods to make it at least playable. I quit it because it was still a mess and so much time consuming to get really nice looking cities. The vanilla CS2 game is way better than CS1!
4 tracks on a major train line is absolutely a thing - you'd usually have your "up" fast, "up" slow, "down" fast and "down" slow - "up" being anything towards your capitol, and "down" being anything away from your capitol! It helps with capacity of passenger v freight, as passenger services are typically faster :)
as a lifelong pennsylvanian, i immediately found myself doing the leonardo dicaprio pointing meme as soon as you were hovered over the vine street expressway in google maps, so thank you for that.
6:30 That was the shared docks for the Lehigh Valley and Central Railroad of NJ Railroads. Huge operation back at the beginning of the 20th century. Part of the National Docks area that encompassed basically all of the Hudson shoreline of North Jersey and beyond. It's one of the main reasons NYC was and still is a powerhouse.
The attention to detail in this video puts some “realistic” city builds to shame. I love the exploration of organic growth in cities skylines and I think it makes cities so much more believable in the game. Amazing work!
Growing up in Oklahoma. I definitely have a lot. Have experience with hearing them Not so much. Willie, saying I'm a lot. Because most of them are banded, but some of them still come through here nayer. There are some small towels that like wiggles through. Completely bypasses our town though. Nowadays
I have to watch this! The picture looked waaaay too organized. I'm OCD, so I love how straight the lines are... Stay tuned, I may have to edit after the video. ❤
"Back in the day, cities like this weren't very desireable... This was not the greatest of places to live in." As your resident Jersey native... This idea of Jersey hasn't changed.
I think you should definitely come up with new names, instead of New Dollarton. How about these: New Jersey (New Varsity) Manhattan (Kingsman) Brooklyn (Brougham) Staten Island (Colony Island) Bronx (The Crown) Queens (Dames)
for an idea in Portland Maine there is an abandoned turn bridge that caught on fire from arson I think but for an Idea you could do an abandoned bridge that caught on fire from arson like the one in Portland and if you are looking for more rail infrastructure look at old pictures of Portland and Detroit
16:04 In the real life Jersey City the rail companies seemed to extend everwhere but in general the Erie went up into New York State, the Delaware, Lackawanna & Western went into Pennsylvania coal country, the Pennsylvania went to southern Pennsylvania, Baltimore and Washington DC, and the Delmarva Peninsula a.k.a. the Eastern Shore of Chesapeake Bay, and the Central New Jersey went down into the Pine Barrens but also ran a line to connect with the Lehigh Valley a.k.a. "The Anthracite Route". So I suggest the lines you have follow along similar lines: to the north, goods, iron ore, agriculture and forestry; to the west, goods, coal and forestry; and to the southwest, goods and agriculture. Also I think it would be nice if you include in New Dimesburg the tram viaduct in Hoboken and Jersey City that you showed in the photo montage in the beginning. I know city tram operators tore it down in 1949 but New Dimesburg could have kept its elevated light railway.
This is actually art. You've given me so much to admire and learn about, especially about Jersey City, which is often overshadowed by the story of New York City
The rail yard in Jersey City was known as Communipaw and this is the mainline terminal of the Central Railroad of New Jersey. All passenger trains to NYC terminated at Communipaw Terminal aka Jersey City Terminal. Passengers exited the trains and either took the bus to Jersey City or boarded the ferries connected to the terminal's entrance for NYC. The rail yards also served as the main freight terminal for the CNJ, an engine servicing facility and coach yard. The station also served as the main terminal for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad and the Reading Railroad to service NYC. Next to the Terminal was the Lehigh Valley Railroads freight terminal. The railyard at one point was the largest and busiest railyard in the world, however after WW2 the decline in freight traffic and bankruptcies resulted in the "Aldene Plan" which diverted all passenger traffic to Pennsylvania Station Newark and freight traffic to other rail yards thus closing the facilities in 1967. Also the area that used to be a bridge in Bayonne (pronounced Bay-own) was the CNJ's Newark Bay Drawbridge that connected the CNJ's mainline to the mainland and took it to points east and south.
"Back in the day this was not desirable, not the best place to live in" .... well ... NYC and Jersey for all it's fame and glamour are still not the best places to live in today (kinda meh tbh) comparing to other places in the US not to mention the world. Great series though, keep it up! :D
Always the best to watch a new dollarton episode. Sooo excited for the next episode about detailing up the city. Please I emplore youu😂 to watch sullys newest detailing tutorial. The way you can you the stone pile and the garbage pile together, then terriform underneath them is actually such an easy and stunning way to make stuff faces. I’m assuming your going to dive into the dev tool. I also would let you know find stuff is a mod that exists that it might be good to get accustomed to using it. The best feature is the ability to favorite just the props and buildings you want to, because there’s a lot of mess in there to sort through. And the button on the dev menus is still bugged so using the x in the corner witch you brain will definitely just do, multiple times… you will have to restart you game to get ur back every time. Also a few props to favorite id suggest, random boulder, random rock, stone low small and medium size, aswell is low pile small garbage piles, Traffic cone, no parking strip, your favorite fences, and your favorite foliage… soon I hope, we will actually get thumbnails for all these things in the mod. Right… we have to. But even so, it’s well worth it. Almost can’t believe it’s not in the base game.
I know you will probably realize this, but one thing very important as you leave the city with rail lines, roads, and highways is that they tend to follow straight lines pretty often. Only occasionally do they make turns and these are usually pretty tight, not broad, sweeping turns that are so easy to do with the building tools in CS and the devs have made this mistake in their pre-built maps. Often they do make numerous turns in quick succession but between them are short straight sections.
I'm so hyped to see Newark being crawled through in Google Earth it's a fascinating city plan with lots of layers of past infrastructure. You're taking the perfect spots for inspiration. The ironbound has entire sections of homes on an angle tracing an old line. Love seeing this, great content.
cleveland is another city that used to be big on trains... that was the whole purpose of The Terminal Tower... it was meant to be a huge transit hub, that would connect freight and passenger rail, a subway that was built and never implemented, and the tower itself even has mooring points for zeppelins! but in true cleveland fashion, built to be the city of the future, it never reached it's full potential... as the city grew, industry moved further and further out, but the remnants of what was meant to be are still all over the place...
Back in the days, all these Trainlines where owned by different Companys. That's why they are rarely connected to each other and even avoid Connection. Especially in an area that dense there are a lot of bridge and tunnels to cross the other railways. Railway Empire is a whole game about the rivalry of train companys.
Adding quays to the downtown/industrial waterfront would make it look even better. Seen other cities with that and it look really good. Otherwise, I love how the city is turning out!
31:10 the road with 2 railway bridges above it makes no sense. Mb it's better to place the road closer to river just before thr railway. Then there will be no bridges
I hate how trains reverse down the mainline at high speed in this game. It looks so stupid. All they have to do is put a single locomotive on each end and call it a push pull service. That way no matter which direction it’s heading it looks realistic
36:42 you need to lengthen the double track, has to be long enough for a waiting train to not block the intersection. So the moving train can get through. Or else they will disappear like they did. Paradox said if things disappear then the people/items go back to where they were, meaning, the cargo/passenger doesn’t come in/go out.
@@mrgooglethegreat Bro don’t worry don’t take it personal . I just wanted to know if it’s gonna come back and more people want tos see CS1 too because of the mods and incomplete cities. He already say he’s coming back to CS1 in his community post you can check if you want I just wanted to know when.
I know you said to use our imagination but i just wondered if railroad bridges ever have drawbridges or lifted sections. Wouldn't it be too dangerous to break up the rails like that?
Yes, drawbridges on railroads are a thing, especially in the US Northeast. Usually they're vertical-lift, swing or rolling bascule (looks like a through truss that uses a large steel whee-like structure that it rolls back onto with the aid of a counterweight) So far as safety is concerned, the rails have devices called "mitre rails" that open and close the gap between moving and non-moving sections of the bridge trackage, signals are interlocked so that red signals are displayed on both approaches, and should a train run the red signal, there are derails that are deployed when the span is open, which will put a train on the ground, hopefully stopping it before reaching the open bridge.
I over use trains in my cities. I have active lines and then i have blank lines that have prop cars acting as spotted loads at industries. I work for the railroad so i try and make things as realistic as possible. I have yards near by with cars that have to be spotted.
@@mrgooglethegreat “we” haha even two dollars hates the new CS 2🤦🏼♂️ Get real, game is a major cash grab and huge flop. If you think any different you clearly don’t know how to play the game 😂😂
I say keep the trains un-abandoned at least long enough for some railroad towns/suburbs to pop up around the city. And as the city grows they get subsumed as boroughs and historic neighborhoods of the city
Also in New Jersey suburbs most of the passenger rail lines are elevated or in like a trench with trees and houses on either side, so keep that in mind for future expansion
I'm a big fan of yours. But it seems that you still have a lot of problems with CS2. I wonder...why you never use the slope terrain tool? It's very useful and necessary. Also I feel like it's difficult to follow you while you test different techniques. I hope that you feel more comfortable with the game once you download the mods. Best wishes ❤
I like using references and talking about the inspiration so that won’t change. This is also twice as long as my old videos so you are getting more build.
@@twodollarstwentyI love it that way, very inspiring! I just went to maps on my phone to search for New Jersey. It’s so nice to bild a CS city and develop it by not bulldozing everything that seems to be in the way. You have to deal with history!
