My opinion about "content creation" in speedrunning 

I finally found some time to watch this, I'm just gonna leave my thoughts here: Your explanation about "how people become speedrunners" didn't really hit home for me, I personally started out just lurking in streams and then decided to try speedrunning myself. It wasn't until I was streaming that I started to actually interact with the community, and talking in chats. This doesn't really detract from any of the points you made, but that's been my experience. You made a lot of good points on how to make speedrunning more accessible for casuals. I don't think that all the examples you gave from Cosmo were thought out in advance by him, but it's obvious that he had a knack for making his runs interesting to watch. I had never really thought of it in this way from the viewer's perspective, so your analysis definitely helped me understand better, which is helpful to me personally since I've long considered this one of my weak points. Commmentated speedruns are definitely an untapped market right now, with SDA having lost its relevance and nobody really stepping up to take its place. Your ideas on how to repurpose the frontpage of speedrun.com to make it easier to find streams and commentated runs are really good! I think it will definitely be worthwhile to try and gather some more support behind this and make it happen. Shoutouts to my stream showing up in the video, I didn't expect that lmao.

I admit started running OOT because of Cosmos run! I started speedrunning but I didn't even know what twitch was at the time X-D I love that speedrunning keeps older games alive. I would never be playing ocarina of time again if it wasn't for seeing cosmo' s run. love your thoughts about the community Jelster :)

Everything about this is spot on. The problem isn't getting people speedrunning, it's getting people watching speedruns. Like for example GDQs get hundreds of thousands of unique viewers and single live runs have roughly 100k at any time but if you gather any sort of stats, if they are lucky they'll get a few thousand followers. Visitors to the page is higher but people don't follow and get into the "stream monster" stage. The other problem with growth is like you also mentioned SRL has no "power" anymore and speedrunning isn't really centralized anymore. Sure there's speedrun.com but no one cares about anyone really other than those playing the same game as them. Back in the day if a runner was on good pace EVERYONE was talking about it. That just doesn't/rarely happen(s) anymore and I personally think that's the biggest flaw with growth. Social media is like non-existent in speedrunning. Social media is HUGE way to appeal to the "casual" type of viewer. Before twitch would tweet out speedruns as well and that rarely happens anymore. Like it doesn't even have to be WR pace or anything there's just a severe lack of social media present in speedrunning. Funny that paper mario was on Cosmo/Narcissa's page here cause Stryder7x's post commentated Paper Mario Glitchless run is the most popular non-GDQ video (in the "modern" age of speedrunning) even way before he blew up on youtube this year it had over 10k views and had more views than his improved non-commentated record (that Nintendo deleted cause of their shitty creator's program lol). Post commentated runs don't even just appeal to "casuals" EVERYONE is a "casual" at some point in some ways it doesn't matter how long you've been speedrunning you can't know everything about every game and post commentated runs are a great place to learn more and become a "stream monster" for a game you've never watched before. Anyways these are my initial thoughts. Great video.

this is disturbingly accurate, I saw siglemics 1:44 something 120 star run because I had seen 0 star tases in the past, looked on his channel and saw a highlight from he and cosmo playing mm, made a twitch account and followed cosmo and sig, saw 18:10 live, and was hooked. I was a stream monster in Cosmo's, Sig's, and Puncay's chat for like 3 months before I got more into the community and although I don't really speedrun, i know just as much about the tricks. I've watched OoT in particular evolve over almost 3 years and it has been incredible.

excellent analysis, watched the whole thing. the only contribution id have is that, prior to deciding what the community should do and what to support, there must be a method to get the speedrunners and watchers unified behind it. in this sense, anarchy in endorsing organizations to back without binding is counterproductive, because different streamers of different fragments would trend towards different sites or platforms, making any single one of them difficult to sustain. to that end, id actually support the idea of having a "community" (I know you don't like that term) vote on what to support, on the principle of "diversity in discussion, unity in action." this would mean, prior to the vote, runners and watchers can propose or endorse any organizations they like into the vote, but once the vote is cast, the winner would be binding on the runners/watchers voting via social pressure. logistics such as where to hold the vote notwithstanding, but disseminating the idea of holding it obviously isn't difficult at all. this would also be one of the only ways to reach an agreed compromise behind otherwise different views on how to move further, without further fragmenting speedrunning.

Very good video Jelster.

I learned about torje and thus newer oot runners from the speedrun.com frontpage

Giving nintendo my money is the best incentive Kappa

I remember Grey Face no space from adam_ak's chat lol Edit: holy damn you're right lol. I think I was a stream monster in cosmo's and adam_ak's chat a lot... Never thought of it that way...

Melee players are almost all stream monsters, prefect target audience for growth

Although he didn't go through with it, I'd like to personally thank you for doing your part to try to get PewDiePie's channel deleted i.gyazo.com/101d7a45d5e44e79f6c40966128e5fdc.png. Seriously though, good video. Didn't entirely agree with everything but I think all your points are sound. Hopefully I've done a decent part contributing to this by making tutorials and commentated run and I'll continue to do so.

So...when can we expect a commentated no WW video? Kappa b

There's definitely a middle ground type of person between "Streamers" and "Purist speedrunners", Not that clean cut. Not saying you implied it is clean cut, just wanted to clear that up