My Pitch for the MCU Spider-Man 4 

You just saved Marvel again. Thank you for your service Nando.

The post credit scene will be Peter, Randy & Betty hanging out when Ned & MJ stop by at Betty's invitation on break from MIT.

don't know if anyone's said this but i enjoyed Nando's Ant-Man 3 idea, mostly just for the tile "Ant-Man and the Wasp and Ant-Man"

The only thing I don’t like is another person close to Peter is the daughter of the villain. I don’t think that should be done again

I’m really happy you mentioned Pete not swinging through the city in the Home trilogy. Some of the best visuals in any Spider-Man medium is watching a master acrobat swing through the sky. Graceful and powerful, yet quick and subtle.

I was really surprised at how original and well thought out this pitch was. Everyone else goes for the usual big names like Kraven, Black Cat or introducing Harry Osborne. You really took the time to make this pitch your own unique thing

This pitch is pretty much perfect. Only thing is I would change Jenny form being Tombstone's daughter to someone else because it feels like a recycled idea from homecoming (Liz being Vulture's daughter) but I personally wouldn't mind if she was or wasn't Tombstone's daughter.

I think this would be a lot of fun but I'd love to see a movie focused on Spider-Man and Black Cat. I think now is the perfect time to introduce her, when Peter essentially no longer exists, and the only people who recognize him recognize the costume... And there's no one who cares more about *Spider-Man* than Black Cat. I think it especially works well with a black suit storyline, if they're planning to introduce that.

Since the Daredevil show is officially canon (the marvel website refers to a bunch of events from the show for its pages about Matt and Fisk) I think it's safe to say that in the MCU rent in New York IS cheaper than real life, there are multiple moments in S1 and 2 where they talk about how "the incident" brought prices down significantly, maybe they've recovered since then but I imagine half the population vanishing for five years and then suddenly coming back would probably have a pretty substantial impact on the housing market too lol

At the end of NWH, Happy tells Peter he knew May "through Spider-Man" so I think it's safe to say all the Spider-Man avengers stuff did happen. The avengers remember that Spidey was at the important events, just not who he is.

I think you may have misuploaded this. I completely understand that thing where you spill something on your keyboard and then (whilst trying to clean it up) accidentally publicly upload a video to RU-vid instead, but it seems like this might be meant for someone called Kevin, and I am not called Kevin, so I think you've made a mistake somewhere.

I actually had the same idea of Peter using his connection to Betty to get a job as a photographer at the Daily Bugle. I’d take it a step further though and say that she becomes his new best friend and maybe even regains her memories of him at some point. As for the villain I think I’d probably just go with Kingpin as the main villain but I’d definitely work in Scorpion too, maybe as his henchman or something. Just because I love Michael Mando. I’d also introduce Black Cat as his new ally and love interest and probably work in something to do with the venom goo that got left behind in NWH.

Harry's glider in Spider-Man 3 is such an underrated gem.

Peter taking photos for _The Daily Bugle_ feels odd to me in modern day cause both the MCU & the PS4 games shows HD photos of Spidey taken by civilians, which works cause smartphones can take great pics. Peter being paid for HQ photos of Spidey worked from 1960s-2000s, but seems too outdated now. NWH showed tons of media/civilian taken HD pics of him, so why would there suddenly only be blurry pics of him that Peter would now use as a job opportunity?

I know it makes the most sense to have this next trilogy transition Peter into more of mentor/equal role with heroes the same age and younger than him, like Black Cat, Silk Spectre, Beetle or Miles Morales, but I would really love to have this first movie be a Daredevil team-up movie. I’m glad everybody agrees this next movie needs to have Spider-Man in New York fighting street-level villains, so I think it would be a shame not to have Spider-Man tangle with vigilantes and organized crime that already exists in New York, like Daredevil and Kingpin. With all of this cosmic/multiverse stuff I really just want Marvel to know they can take a step back when the narrative demands it and just give us a simple movie that explores Peter’s character becoming an adult, and of course I’d love to see Spiderman and Daredevil stop a bank robbery.

Things I want this movie to set up: •Spider-Man and Peter personality struggle •daredevil side story that could come from this movie (picking up the pieces and fixing Spider-Man issues) •maybe a connection with Shang Chi probably not this movie but soon •peter holding onto the connection/stalking Ned and MJ by seeing what they accomplish in MIT and what they invent (setting up Ned as hobgoblin or a wizard character) •have mister negative also have a connection with the hand and have Peter uncover the crime of New York •peter still volunteers at the homeless shelter •End credits, Wilson is back, he's blind but is told about Spiderman stopping Tombstone. He says something like "I guess we're gonna need professional to catch this bug" (yes I know Spiders are not bugs) but it hints at kraven maybe

For me I think the first film of a college Spider-Man trilogy has to feature Felicia Hardy/Black Cat, even if she doesn’t suit up we need to set her up for the future, she can be his new ally but is also a bad influence in some ways. Absolute agree with Tombstone being the main antagonist for the trilogy, Silvermane or Hammerhead would be really interesting to bring in too either as his henchmen with their own desires to overthrow him or his outright competitors for a gang war. They also really need to bring back Scorpion, they did all the set up for him and haven’t paid it off yet so they need to bring him back. Finally, I know it’s the obvious choice but it’s obvious for a reason, but I want to see a full black suit arc, give him the suit at the end of the first film when he really needs a power boost. Have it until the end of the 2nd and the 3rd is his recovery where he is noticeably weaker and struggles just as things are at their most bleak Also I did like the home trilogy, but that moniker needs to go, the next subtitles should come from colours, Spider-Man: Blue Moon (maybe his class mates call him that mockingly as he so rarely ever goes out or does anything social), Spider-Man: Black Star (the new suit is making him more and more popular as he becomes more successful at stopping these gang wars) Spider-Man Red Day (no idea how to make that fit but I like the idea that the 1st and 3rd films are his classic colours with the black in the middle)

I really like the idea of Peter working with heroes his own age so I personally would love to see a live-action take of Spider-Man and his Amazing friends where Peter teams up with Iceman and Firestar

Perhaps the "Peter's love interest/female friend's father is the head of a crime organization" may be a BIT too similar to the Homecoming plot?

I feel like Liz Allen should be reintroduced into the film as the Beatles or Vultress. I feel that she's the only woman that Peter can pursue after the heartbreak of MJ. There would be so much drama involved in this relationship and I'd be hyped to see how they would interact

Great, but one thing i might add. Bring back aaron davis as the prowler for one of the assasins sent after peter, further the introduction of miles by maybe name dropping him or even showing a younger version. Maybe have aaron be another sympathetic villain.

I LOVE the pitch but I'm somewhat confused on Jenny's intentions. If Jenny serves a love interest to Peter is it because she is manipulating Peter to do what she wants or does she really like Peter?

I really like this pitch, especially on the point of title change. The “home” gimmick was fun, but seeing Spectacular Spider-Man on the big screen and posters would be really cool

Do you think peter leaving MJ was more 'she would have to know I'm spiderman for me to explain what happened, which could put her in danger again' or 'I don't want people close to me because I'll bring danger'? If its the latter I think a pretty large part of the next movie will be him learning to get close to people again. But I guess Spiderman 1 -> Spiderman 2 ignored a similar situation.

Honestly if you wanted to, you could swap Beetle with Black Cat. Like instead of her using her engineering skills to make a flight suit, she could use them to make an "agility" suit. You could still have her team up with Spider-Man to stop the other bounty hunters. And you can still have her turn on Peter, but instead of it being because of familial ties, she'd do it because she wanted the bounty and the only reason she helped him in the first place was to make sure no one else could cash in. And if you wanted to keep the family theme, she's could be doing the bounty to pay off her father's debts. You could also do some fun things with Black Cat, like maybe stealing test answers for their upcoming final or even into the campus' financial building and wipe Peter's debt; something that Peter allows to pass because he gets to profit off it, but realizes later it was wrong.

An Insomniac-style Tombstone would be awesome, and I would like to see more shocker! Criminally underused in Homecoming

This idea is really cool! I can’t wait to see your thoughts on what Captain America 4 would be like.

Honestly… here’s the thing for me. The next film needs 2 characters, Black Cat, and Scorpion. Why? Because those 2 are the 2 big last holdouts. Notable major Spider-Man characters (to the point where people outside of comics fandom know about them) who haven’t gotten a major big screen appearance over the course of the Spider Man’s overall film lineup. With MJ out of the way, changing out the love interest to Black Cat is a a major move that kinda needs to happen RN. And Scorpion… does work for this current Peter, as with Peter having no backstory, and Scorpion’s infamous jealousy over Spider Man’s powers, it makes sense to have a villain determined specifically to identify & study him in such a fashion.

Niice to see you back Nando! Always enjoy your video essays

0:06 well this explains everything

Not every Spidey movie needs Avengers cameos and 6 villains and 3 Spiderman. But this still feels like too big of a step back after No Way Home. It's a tough sell for general audiences. No MJ, no Ned, no big bad threat beyond B list criminals. This feels more like a plot for a smaller Disney+ series rather than a 200 million dollar blockbuster.

They should just call it The Spectacular Spider-Man

I liked it but I think a love interest with the plot twist being that she is the daughter of the villain is too much like Homecoming

Janice Lincoln is NOT in Far From Home; that is a very understandable misconception created by the MCU Wiki, which has a policy of applying names of dubiously similar comic characters to characters without last names. (slightly irresponsible imo given their wide influence)

@ Nando V Movies 10:53 What about the ACTUAL ENFORCERS? You know, Dapper Dan, The cowboy dude and Ox? They’re incredibly old school and would be a great fan shout out!

Instead of "Jenny," can we amalgamate her with Indy from TNAS? She's historically into media production, which kind of fits with the engineering techy vibe, and they can connect over photography. Her aloof nature and her responsibility to her family would cause some internal conflict that ties nicely into the way Tombstone manipulates her

These always make so much sense. So well thought out. Ggs sir.

I agree with a lot of this but I think I would bring in MJ and Ned sooner than later somehow. 1. MJ promised she’d find out, some way some how, and there was hints of memory in the coffee shop. 2. A villain finding out the people Spider-Man cares about even tho he tried to hide and separate from them would sting. 3. I’m from Mass and would love to see him swing in Boston for a scene or two lol

I love the shade at the beginning

…so, Nandor, your pitch is to dress Tony Stark’s corpse in a bunch of different Spider-Man suits?

Really want to see a solo spider man story, with black cat and his journey trying to navigate through college while meeting Harry and Gwen and realizing that all of those villains and people he learned about are in his world and that they just haven't changed yet. I'd like petter to be anxiety ridden, trying to prevent the creation of these villains or deaths or whatever, and learning important lessons like you can't save everyone. This peter has a lot to learn still

my biggest hope is that we get flash and felicia as spider-man’s new allies in the next movie. i think it would be fun bc we’ve already had mary jane’s and gwen love interests so seeing spider-man’s 3rd main love interest written out on the big screen would be nice. i also think it’d be cool utilize flash’s character for once as an ally, i don’t know how to bring him back into play, but i think it’d be nice to have a fresh new group with similar dynamics to ned and mj and having a character who’s already been introduced and only having to introduce one new character would help a lot with familiarity. also tony revolori is a great actor and he’s overdue for a bigger part. my black cat fancast favs are ella balinska and sydney sweeney. ella already is amazing with stunts and almost got the batman catwoman role so it’d be nice to see her get a similar one. sydney sweeney already looks the part, there are some comics where the art looks exactly like her too, i wouldn’t be surprised if she was used as a reference like john krasinski my problem with beetle is that we already got the daughter of a villain love interest trope with liz, we already have enough characters like that in the mcu (gamora, nebula, echo) where the storyline would feel played out as we have already explored father daughter dynamics like that many times. she’s also not an iconic character of sorts that i feel needs to be introduced to the mcu at this point. more unknown heroes just aren’t gonna have an impact on audiences (like even ant-man who is a popular character- the amt of ppl that thought antman just had ant powers was astounding) also black cat is a fan favorite for a reason, so i really hope we can see her in a marvel movie (idrk what’s going on with madame web rn)

Let’s do this! ❤️

I gotta say I'm having so much fun just listening to your idea and I'm really hoping something well thought-out like that appears on the big screen

Don’t know how I wasn’t subscribed yet, great video! People really need to animate your story ideas!!

I’m convinced Nando secretly has a creative job at Marvel Studios and makes his marvel related videos as an indirect way “testing the waters”.

Great video! Would love to see this story on the big screen!

I was reading Superior Foes and the Nick Spencer Spidey recently, and I love the idea of introducing Female Beetle in Peter's life as part of the new MCU status quo, and I love the way you laid the groundwork for his whole extended cast to pave the way for a Tombstone movie, including Randy and Robbie so as to draw more connections between Peter and tombstone, but Marvel won't have the cajones to do it.

The characters I wanna see in the next MCU spider-man film is Scorpion and Black cat. I feel like that deserve a chance on the big screen since we haven't seen them that much. It would be a great opportunity to bring in Black Cat as Spider-Man's new Love interest and also have scorpion be the main villain while he works for Kingpin

This is the Spider-Man 4 we all deserve. Spectacular pitch 👏 👏👏 Perfect cast of characters and I love that you're going for a more personal and unique Spider-Man movie.

dudeeeee haven't thought about Tombstone since the PS4 GAME!! loving this pitch!

Absolutely LOVE the framing!

Great stuff as always Nando. I like the Betty Brant idea

My pitch is that I would have scorpion be hired by kingpin to take down spider-man and have black cat be a foe/ally for spider-man throughout the film against scorpion and kingpin. Then for a post credit scene I would have Spencer Smythe as the villain for the next film who can be the MCU’s version of Doc Ock. (I’m also going to be saving the left over Symbiote to bond with spider-man for secret wars)

Had to stop halfway through to check in for a moment. Given Nando's writing chops and history of 1uping the MCU I'm pretty sure I'm just setting myself up for disappointment when the real thing lands. Now I'll finish watching

I ALWAYS love your pitches. Please do more 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 and more REWRITES. I’d love to see your spider-man 3 (2007) rewrite.

Also helps that the current (June 2022) run of Amazing Spider-man is a Tombstone story, so it’s not like they don’t have enough material to get people interested

Nice, can't wait to see where this goes

One thing I definiately agree with is not bringing back this MJ and Ned. Would reflect on real life a bit too, as high school friends and crushes are often drift apart. And also it's kind of a boring trope that the first love from school for the main hero stays with them as their life partner. Also Peter in the comics has several relationships. A short fling with Betty Brant, the doomed big love with Gwen Stacy, Black Cat adventures, Mary-Jane the big one, and then some others. So why not utilize them?

This is my first one of your videos. I subscribed. You earned it!!! Great idea excellent logic. Chef's kiss

About the swinging scenes, i really love the way Marc Webb did them, the TASM 1 and 2 swinging scenes are def my favorite

I’ve been desperate for another speculative pitch since “Ant Man and the Wasp and the Amt Man” - give us more, Mr V Movies!

My pitch for MCU Spider-Man 4 would be is to focus on Spider-Man and Black Cat as the main focus. They need to meet, get together, fall in love and become a couple, while helping each other going through their issues. Also, Marvel needs to make them a crime-fighting dynamic duo in this one and the next films going forward

Best part about the hat was the hat lines it left on Nando's forehead. Can tell it really left an impression on him

Great ideas!

Funny parallel thinking between your ideas and Zeb Wells new spider man comic. Great minds think alike!

Your movie pitches are better than anything a studio would make

You had me at Superior Foes

17:34 you say he was never hunted by the police, but literally the start of nwh has him being taken by damage control while avoiding a bunch people who knew who he was

Very surprised you didn’t use Scorpion as the villain, considering Gargan wants revenge on Spidey & hasn’t returned. Could’ve had him be Tombstone’s solution & troublesome enough to require a team up to takedown & possibly have Tinkerer come back too since he never got caught as Tombstone’s tech guy

Nice video, really like your ideas. I’m pretty sure the spell Doctor Strange did made Spider-man’s accomplishments stay, but anything to do with Peter Parker himself has been wiped away. So I’m pretty sure people remember Spider-Man in endgame. Love your vids!

I feel like they should go with Scorpion, especially if he starts working at the Daily Bugle. Perfect way to tie in Jonah creating Scorpion to go after Spidey

this is amazing nando!

Dude, this is spectacular! (Pun completely intended) I'd love to hear what kind of pitches you would make for the Fantastic Four movie or the Wonder Man series.

I really wanna know what comics you used for the panels in the video. Could you tell me?

Nando puts in work with these videos im a fan fr

I've been saying for so long that the second trilogy should be called Spectacular Spider-Man! Love this video! 💜

I would love to see you pitch a 5th and 6th MCU Spider-Man movie that continue off of what this one does and sets up.

You have some interesting ideas!

Hey Nando, if you see this, I have a question/theory: For several years, I had really been hoping that the MCU would start dropping in little hints and/or background cameos of who would become their The Sentry. (BTW, I finally found my dream-casting for Sentry: Jimmi Simpson) Anyhoo, once I saw No Way Home, I realized that Marvel MAY be trying to set-up Peter Parker as a sort of non-union equivalent of Sentry, and possibly give him a "one last time" story at the end of phase 5. I'm just really curious if you have had that thought too, and what you think of the theory.

Excellent pitch. It hits all the notes that they need to hit, even if they go a different route.

Since you’re the guy for it, I thought I’d give an idea of my own that’s been rattling in my head on/off for a potential Spider-Man movie: a Rogues Gallery Transplant villain from Daredevil. Who am I thinking of, though? None other than the Owl aka Leland Owsley, one of Matt Murdock’s adversaries who was massively overshadowed later by the Kingpin (a transfer from Spidey himself to DD)… Worth noting of course, that he’s in the Daredevil series originally on Netflix, Leland Owsley was changed into a much older man played by Bob Gunton, and was merely a crooked businessman who was killed off by Fisk at the end of Season One. That being said, the same series had Owsley mention his SON, Lee; in the comics, the Owl was indeed the son of a man with that occupation. So my proposal is to make Leland Owsley, Jnr. aka “Lee” Owsley into the Owl. After his father’s death and other stuff, Lee Owsley fell into crime

I’d definitely love to see Mister Negative in a live action. That could really awesome.

18:38 Aye!!!!!! That would be great!!!!!!

I kinda had a concept for a Beetle variant called Mushiko Hime who was practically the Beetle but a virtual performer in the same vain as Hatsune Miku or Kizuna Ai. They were practically Ultron but in reverse. So glad someone else knows about The Beetle.😁

You look great with a hat Nando!

I don’t like watching your videos because I really like how well you describe everything. Thank you, and also dangit

Love the idea and would love to see this one the big screen. But I think we can add at least Felicia Hardy in one of Peter’s classes just for an introduction. Then maybe for a post credit scene we just see her claws or Black Cat breaking into a jewelry store.

Just do KickAss !!

Great job.

your videos are amazing

Just watched on Nebula but can't comment there... This. Is. Phenomenal. I wonder what they are aiming for in extending the franchise, but this is seriously a great launching point for a more self contained Spider-verse, and gives the character a richer cinematic backdrop to play in for future stories.

Great pitch Nando, idk why but I feel like adding one more villain would really top off this story. Like a version of the frightful four which could lead to some fantastic four talk.. someone like jack o lantern/hobgoblin, prowler, even bringing back scorpion would be cool. But you clearly put a lot of work into this idea and it’s great

In TASM 2 Garfield has to fight Electro while swing and it was so awesome seeing him fight like that! Id be down to see Holland do that too

4:35 It’s Sony, Ned and MJ will probably show up within the first 30 minutes of the movie.

Love it, though it is funny since they just said Kingpin is alive and running for mayor in Echo xD

Thanks for telling me about Displate. I got myself the Triss Marigold one from the Witcher 3. Next month it'll be the Scarlet Witch.

Beetle has long been one of my favourite Spider-Man rogues! Glad to see the Ultimate version of them being brought up! (Just realised I just really like Beetle comic book characters as Blue Beetle is my favourite DC Hero)

Another banger of a pitch, Nando!

I think if anything, the after credit scene could be MJ, Ned, and Flash sitting in a class/study group in a similar nothing happening as the 2012 Avengers post credit shwarma bit