My response to Asmongold explains the entire of Lord of the Rings lore 

I'd agree he is obviously a big fan, is impressive, and has delved deeply into the lore. Pronunciation, I agree with the video, is not critical (some seem to adore the linguistics so much they master Elvish, or "The Black Speech", an amazing thing, but not my way), nor is using the exact wording of author Tolkien, as long as the full support essence is captured, and any minor inaccuracy is not critical (who made rings, Elves, or others? Likely not critical). I also agree that this new series is atrocious to an amazing extent and the Hobbit series extremely weak, really obnoxiously so, when compared to LOTR (film edition). With LOTR film I believe this was a sincere adaptation and we forgive distressing departures, like not having Faramir immediately send the Hobbits and Gollum on their way (Personally, this is a big deal - I believe this shows a remaining nobility to some among Gondor's leaders of the earlier nobility of the Numenoreans; sure this entire matter would be tough to implement in film; the other is how the army of the dead is handled; in the books they don't arrive at Minas Tirith). Film, especially those made in major motion picture houses really have to meet certain goals which will captivate an audience, and draw in ticket buying public, so in LOTR Jackson inserted more conflict and resolution, and visuals, which was far more subtle, or implemented differently in the books. If they do that, and yet do not entirely betray an author that's an accomplishment. Myself, I'm also a great fan, having long ago passed beyond twenty readings of LOTR trilogy (including the Appendices) and have read some of the Silmarillion, and of course the Hobbit many times too. Perhaps one problem very recent creatives have with this material is that they are trying to capture the spirit of an artist's work, but the artist is from a generation which matured around 100 years ago, and was a deeply religious Catholic, unafraid to employ concepts of his beliefs in writing. Tolkien had been born in 1892, and thus, in 1924 would have been 32 years old and thus making his way and developing his family and household. The creatives of today are a similar age, and at a similar point in life, but are immersed in 2024 styles of thought, and perhaps they are far more removed from traditional religious ideas as are many these days. This is a handicap, I deem. A hundred years can work a great deal of change to culture. Some this probably is a benefit (far easier to use modern gear than the old stuff we grew up with), but much of it also can be a handicap. It seems to me much of what we hear about the people of a hundred years ago is approximate, and often quite wrong. World history during this last 100 years is also handed to us in sometimes distorted form. If is very difficult to find works which seek greatest adherence to actual fact, rather than opinion. Also this tends not to sell books.

You rarely see him that passioned about any subject. A true fan !

@@crtune I’ve been saying for some time now that the modern day creatives biggest issue with LOTR is that they fundamentally don’t understand the Catholic morality and virtues baked into Tolkien’s world. They either don’t understand it and project their own, or they outright reject it. LOTR as a setting only works / makes sense in the context of Tolkiens worldview and values.

the books are almost unbearable to listen to, its practically high school musical but with "queer" every other sentence, its honestly by far worse than the movies, and dont get me started on Bombadil.

@@oneautumnleaff2119 Maybe you should, Idk... Read them ? Listening to books is for queer fellows...

It's in the playbook of cultural terrorists to blame the rightfully upset fanbase when their dogshit changes get lambasted. It's pathetic that the media exposes themselves as rank and file political agents when they play along with that narrative. Fans just want the work to be respected and handled with love and care. Instead they hire people who hate the original creation to adapt things to film and TV and act surprised when we hate what they make.

I totally agree. It's quite laughable

They don’t really believe that. It’s just part of their general gaslighting of audiences they have failed to brainwash.

@@CounciloftheRings To me, it's scary. Amazon is growing, and remains, or portends to be an immense power in the world. Sadly, I believe they can lose billions and yet not be seriously harmed. Sad, also that they can obtain literary IP like this and then proceed to hand production over to people who produce art but with great irresponsibility. Perhaps this is how I view it, because I am both a business person and also an artist who specializes in an acoustic instrument and mostly music from orchestral and commercial worlds but not of the type common after the 1970's. I can see how modern tools I love (say a Digital Audio Workstation or DAW) can be a great benefit, but knowing when notes are in tune by your ear is perhaps not as common an art as it once was. Similar things seem evident in some of the Tolkien films or video. LOTR, with its many awards seems to have been work done by people with traditional skills still intact. After this wonderful set of films things go downhill.

​@@crtune I know what you mean. I use a digital tuner for my guitar.😅

and down to a single chatter that raided with him ONCE 6 years ago. like his memory is insane.

Wow was his life. He did nothing else for about 14 year's all day all night. That's puts it into perspective a bit.

it is human psyche actually, if it's something you're passionate about, you'll remember every tiny little detail of it. I remember watching and reading of what the world record holder of "remembering the most numbers" (at the time, and is just a teenager), he said that it is very easy because he likes to do it, but can't remember a lot of things outside of that, which is just how the brain works. You pick up things easily if you like what you're doing, every stupid little thing. I remember which shows air on what hour since I watched TV since I was around 3rd/4th grader, that is until I stopped watching TV.

@@RichyRich2607 It's not just with WoW. The guy analyzes and calls back information from years ago that pertains to anything he's talking about. He has an eidetic memory.

@@Sabamonster No he didn't even come close to that lol

@@MrQabalist HOLY CRAP! I always wondered why its was only 5 god i need to read.... lol

Yep, I came to the comments to say this 👍

He mentions this around 15:30

hats off to asmon

Actually it doesn't say how many he fights. A lot of people believe, like yourself, that he fought 9. While a lot believe he only fought 6. Since it never actually gives a number, we can never know for certain. Just because he says 4 followed him doesn't mean all 9 where there. That is just an assumption. I'm not saying that it doesn't sound very plausible, just that it could've been any number over 4 that he was fighting. He could have been fighting 5 and 1 stayed behind to tell the others what happened and what they were doing next.

Such a stupid scene. Gandalf wrecks the witch king

They should have added the full quote the Witch king makes and not just a condensed version of it; "Come not between the Nazgûl and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shriveled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye."

I legit got angry when I saw that happen in the extended editions. I don't hold it against them or anything but considering how it should have played out it threw me for a loop.

@@squaeman_2644 Aye! It's such a haunting quote!

Bruh. Gandalf would wreck him and even kill him, since well, Gandalf ain't a man.

yeah obv ^^ they are talking about the lord of the rings trilogy, he didnt say "only 2 instances where god did anything ever", you are right. also this should be pretty clear from the context clues. feels kind of nitpicky but in a bad way.

@@henkdachief I also thought it was obvious. but I noticed this with people feeling passionate about something: They tend to become hyper-critical and often "correct" mistakes that aren't actually there. I believe it's not malicious but rather an attempt to demonstrate their own passion for the subject and to showcase their qualifications to discuss it. Like in this case taking the opportunity to discuss the various ways Eru directly intervened in Middle Earth lore. Tbf I'm also sometimes guilty of this, lol

​@@henkdachief He later admitted that he thought the valar sunk numenor. I really just think he forgot

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My son was a big WoW kiddo. I took him to lines upon a release event, and can see why players would be fan of LOTR and Tolkien in general. WoW, is both fun looking and immense in scale, with much to learn. Tolkien is like that. I liked this video because it gives us a glimpse of others and their joys, and learning. This is why I subbed to @counciloftherings.

why did he become popular as a WoW player? Was him that good at the game?

@@Rivershieldit’s rarely the best players that get the biggest following, but the most entertaining.

​@@RivershieldHe understood early on that people don't watch streamers to watch people be good at a game. People watch streamers to be entertained.

Could be, but the knowledge about it comes from outside the Lord of the Rings 😁

That would be great! Feel free to ask him in stream or on Reddit/ X wherever ☺️

We've had response, but what about second response?

Yea it was explained and also it's implied she chose to stay with the mortal beings and also stay with her zaddy aragorn rather than live immortalility without him

Glad you enjoyed it! Welcome to the Council! 🤗

Gollum broke the oath that he swore on the Precious to Frodo. That is why he had to die. Curses are a real thing in the Legendarium.

I was suprised AF. He actually looks aproachable i this interview 😂

You do know that's just a character he puts on. The guy runs businesses doubt he dosent shower.

Firstly, he didn’t, secondly he is on his podcast with his co hosts, lastly, his peers openly talk about how he truly lives the life he puts out as his public image

@Siggrim At home maybe but if you really think he gose to business meetings unwashed. I dunno what to tell you.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@GutsOfRiviayou are aware that there are a lot of successful people in the world with awful hygiene that generally don’t wash up under any circumstance right? The fact that you can’t fathom that some people are just dirty and don’t care what other people think is beyond me.

Did you sing the Ainulindalë? 😁👍🏻

Yeah I'm thinking he was thinking of that line as well

Thank you! and yes I agree. To me it has also been surprising to see how few dared to speak up

Oh yeah definitely! A lot seems to be interested in this topic, so I'll move it up the to-do-list. Nice to see you in the comments! Take care ❤🙏

Army of the Dead was a much bigger infraction.

Will do!

Uhh while interesting it builds on a false premise. It comes from latin. The fact ‘verse’ is a word in English is a coincidence 😁 However the fact the world is created in song is deeply influenced by the Bible. Here we can read “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” So to me it’s really cool how words and song is magic. It comes from the divine 😁

@@CounciloftheRings I was going to write this as well but i was at work at the time so i was having to rush unfortunately

@@CounciloftheRings also i find it super dope that youve already heard this

Yeah I agree! It’s an odd change

Wait, so what's their part in the story in the books? If any?

Thank you! I truly appreciate it 🙏

Yes. I can't wait till Season 2 begins.🙄🙄🙄🙄

Thanks!

Oh boy that would be extremely long I'm afraid XD I guess a top 10 worst changes might do haha I have considered to do a full review of the films though (probably over several videos)

@@CounciloftheRings Just do not ask for help in the discord for that one… you'll get essays from at least two people, and further reading assignments.

Yeah, I think he would too. It’s quite a significant change

Thanks! Glad you liked it 😁 I’ll make a whole video about magic soon 🤗

@@RuijsNL I hope he will

Thanks and welcome to the Council ☺️

Sorry nerd plate looks cooler

If the Shire can have clocks, coffee and a post office, I'm sure Gondor can have plate armour lol

@bidu2331324 Yeah yeah sure.

@@Hero_Of_Old Yeah.... I wouldn't refer to those things as "modern" to begin with. They're quite centuries old.

Agreed, the "ren-fair-isation" of older historical eras is always disappointing as someone who's keenly interested in the deep past. At least the designs in the trilogy are beautiful, so I still love them lol

😄haha

Thanks!

Yeah!

Yes a video on the Lord of the House of the Golden Flower.😁👍🏻

Thank you! I plan to do more dives into the magic and philosophy of Tolkien’s works, so stay tuned for more 😁 And welcome to the Council!

Well said Princess_Feona; I would add Treebeard to the list of Jackson's simplified/stupefied caricatures. Fangorn was the oldest living being in Middle Earth (I assume Tom B came into being before ME) and had great knowledge and wisdom. But Jackson made him a big, kinda of dumb, dangerous to tree killers but kindly to Hobbits character. And the Hobbits "trick" Treebeard into attack Iselngard! Rubbish....

I appreciate the Jackson films for what they DO offer, though where Tolkien built tension, Jackson cut it with a knife using Hollywood bs...

@@squaeman_2644 good way of putting it

@@kornoldorin oh yes. When I was little I wanted to be Treebeard. That doesn’t really fit with Hollywood’s idiotic narrative that people need to “see themselves” on screen. We know they don’t believe that. They just “need” people to see how “not racist” they are, thereby making them incredibly focused on race and not story. At least the Jackson films are not infected with that BS.

The Rings of Power sucks because they purposely did not buy the rights to The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales so they could tell whatever dumpster-fire of a series they wanted to tell. Can't wait for Season 2.🤢

Thank you! My breakdowns of the rings of power might interest you then. There are tons of minor lore details, but it’s easy to get into, and it also highlights how little they actually took from the lore 😁

Aye! hear hear

Gandalf never screamed as he fell. He just shouted, "Fly, you fools!" You also don't seem to grasp the difference in artistic media between novels and films. Films, having such a shorter amount of time to get the story across, necessarily have to up the drama, as well as take shortcuts. Films will never be the same as prose, so you should adjust your expectations.

I think he was referring to when Gandalf fought several nazgul on Weathertop alone...but it wasn't all 9.

That's only in the extended edition, as explained (which is why it sucks)😁

The good old times!

Sure! I'll move it up the priority list!

Exactly!

By contrast, the “nerd” sometimes puts commerce above lore, as with the amazon show and his sponsorship (people seem to say)

Well he certainly gets a lot of sponsorships too 😄

Yeah and other fantasy settings for that matter

Yeah, cool right!? :D

Yeah I totally agree! They did use Saruman in regards to Caradhras though, which seems to focus on him using his voice. Still, far from his book counterpart

Thanks! And welcome to the Council! If you like this kind of thing you might enjoy my upcoming video on Tolkien’s philosophy ☺️

I got my own version of ‘the Rings of Power’ that might interesting you as well (there’s a playlist with videos). In case you want to know the deep lore you’d need to read: LotR (obviously, but especially the appendices in Return of the King) The Hobbit The Silmarillion The Unfinished Tales The children of hurin The fall of Gondolin Beren and Luthien -- deeper lore below-- The 12 volumes of The History of Middle-earth The Nature of Middle-earth The letters of JRR Tolkien There are more books of course, but this is a good ‘start’ and the most important ones😁

Thank you! 🙏

It’s on its way 😁🤗 I recorded the audio a couple of days ago ☺️

Yeah I know what you mean! I often take a book with me if I have to use public transport. It’s better than looking in the phone like everybody else these days

Yeah there’s no doubt that he’s a big fan 😁

No problem!

Thank you! 🙏

Very understandable. I’m surprised anyone can like that show tbh. It’s the worst show I’ve ever seen

That’s what is hinted to at least and what many experts conclude - like Tom Shippey 😁

​@CounciloftheRings divine providence is stupid. People talk about free will when infants die but divne providence when someone has good luck.

@@svan81😂 This isn’t real life it’s a fantasy universe where God exists. Eat it atheist.

Yeah not all words are power/ magic. All that is tied to the divine (though corrupted at times). That’s why Men and Hobbits can’t make ‘magic’. Elves can to a lesser degree. There’s a cool quote by Eru in The Silmarillion, when he created them. They were meant to create beauty and wonders ☺️

@@darksidedroids4603 thanks a lot man!

I actually plan to make a whole series of videos diving into the broader philosophy of Tolkien's works (including magic and power). I'm still researching a lot though, by reading books on the subject. I wanted to cover it all in-depth, so that's why I've been cautious to talk about it, before knowing it all 😁 I got a similar video coming out soon(ish) if Tolkien actually glorifies war (as some critics claim he does). A rather interesting subject, in my opinion.

@@deltablaze77 we humans like to categorize, but Tom Bombadil can’t be. That is why “he is, as you have seen him”. Tolkien left him an enigma. If anything he is a symbol of nature itself and how it does not care about “human desires”. Nature, like Bombadil, care not that the world is ending.

You’re welcome 🤗

Yeah a legendary duel worth a mention 😁

It's not really about covering everything, but expanding on some of the stuff and correcting important mistakes - like how many times Eru interferes with the world. I also think it's important to counter some of the big misconceptions kept alive, by people repeating them over and over again - like the Nine being kings of Men. I doubt I can stop it all together, but if just a handful stop saying it, I've done my part. Most importantly I got to talk about magic and power, which is a truly fascinating and complicated subject, I think many want to understand more fully. So as said in the start of the video - it's not to lecture Asmongold, but instead explaining more about the lore to those watching the video.