Very nice :) You really did a great job with those instruments! The Long Library is one of my favourite parts of the castle. I'm looking forward to seeing hearing this music against Pyron's graphics.
Absolutely stunning... I was stopped (un)dead in my tracks walking home... nostalgia surge ✊✊✊ keep up the musical necromancy, this is a feast for the ears, alluringly crimson tinged spoonfuls of glistening jet megadrive honey at that... 🦇🖤🦇 🍷 Bravo sir! 🍻🍻🍻 ✊✊✊ Bravo!!
Thanks again! The improved version with more subtle timing is better, but mostly the same. It's so similar I probably won't put it up and replace this one, but I don't know, we'll see how it goes.
Thanks and two things: 1. that happens to be next on my list for Pigsy's remake/demake and 2. because of all the stuff I'm working on and have lined up I can't take requests. So at least this time, it'll work out for you :) Probably not for another two weeks or so, though.
Sounds great!! I felt the tempo either accelerated or slowed down just a little bit at given moments, but the interpretation is very faithful. I think this is as close as it gets with YM2612. Congratulations, It is a beautiful piece, it would proudly fit an official genesis version of SOTN.
Thanks. The tempo does speed up and slow down, it does that in the real song too, only they obviously had a bit finer control of that. I actually cut a few tempo changes from the original out because they were just too much.
It's a little more of a difference than that, but slightly less than what I was able to do. I'll probably make it more subtle before it goes into the game but it'll require a complete timing overhaul as it'd need to be done a different way.
@@InglebardMusic indeed but still a great 👍 composition you did, I really like the update vids you and pigsy are doing...i really wish you him pyron etc involved in street fighter alpha 2 genesis game project, my cousin sent composition to that too
it's weird, I can feel the accelerated and slow down parts too, 0:28 to 0:32 sounds accelerated for example, the instruments are perfect tho, i'm amazed how much close sounds to the original, you did a good job
Thanks, appreciate it! There was just so much untapped potential with its sound chips. Also, with cart sizes less of a concern, you can really cut loose these days.
It captures the feeling of the original track and it doesn't make my ears bleed so I'd say that's a 10/10 Genesis demake. Hopefully the sound driver can handle switching from FM to PCM, it'd suck to lose that last channel
Thanks! We should be able to see how the driver handles effects and the the 6th FM channel with this song soon. As in... probably a few hours, lol. I also went and did a timing change hack to make them a little more subtle for now.
Thanks! I spent all this week trying to get them sounding good. Someone with more experience than me can probably get them sounding more realistic, but I did my best with them. I'll still be trying to improve them for future songs that use them.
I might dabble in some master system PSG music down the line, but that'll probably be a long ways off. I probably won't mess with SMS FM music for a long while as its not supported in the tools I use.
Thanks! I've already cleaned it up a bit and made the timing changes more subtle since the video version. The newer version is already in Pigsy's hands and has shown up in some newer Genesis SotN videos.
excelent as usual!. I agree with observadorceleste, there's a minur issue with the tempo, maybe is just the render? ..regarding that, i don't think can sound more faithful to the original too
Yeah, the problem is the time changes are in the real song, they're just a bit more subtle. I *can* get them that way for this one and I'll update it before it goes into the game, its going to take an overhaul of all the timing to get the changes finer. Basically I'll have to increase the overall speed a lot, decrease the individual row speeds a lot, then that will allow for finer tempo changes.
Amazing! I never thought I'd have a chance to listen to SoTN BGMs playing on the Genesis! Great job! A few small suggestions: The main theme at 0:41, shouldn’t it be Bb C Bb Ab G F [Fb] instead of Bb C Bb Ab G F [Eb]? But I am not sure about this section since it is so complex. The bass sound in the intro section seems to be lacking? I’d say your bass strings at 1:12 is awesome! Regarding the ups and downs of the tempo, have you considered the option of keeping the tempo fixed all the time? And the loop… Is it technically possible to set the loop point after the intro? Such as a position near 0:33? Finally, have you considered adding a simulated echo effect to the main theme to create some sense of hall space? OK, I am really excited, I can't wait to listen to your Lost Painting!
Good timing, you posted this right as I was doing my final check of the night, lol. First, thanks, second, to your poitns: The notes at that part, assuming you mean the harpsichord, are F, G, G# - G, G#, A# ,G#, G, F, F, D#, D#. I'll never rule out that I got something wrong... but... aside from going by ear I also used sheet music for this one to check my work (and make corrections) since I wanted to make sure it was as correct as possible. The bass sound is lacking in the intro because there is no bass sound there :) It comes in a few measures into the song (Contrabass/ Double Bass). For the tempo, the real song uses a bunch of tempo changes, too, BUT, what I might do is adjust the speed of the song overall to allow for more subtle tempo changes. That'll just take some playing with the system clock, base time and row speeds (it'll still run at the right speed in-game). For the loop, I looped it in the same place it loops in the real game. It's not very subtle, it basically just starts over, without the few little string notes at the beginning. The harpsichord has as much echo as it can possibly have with the available sound channels. Sometimes it uses as many as four, often 3, sometimes 2 and rarely 1. Lost painting will be the next SotN song I do on here, but it's probably going to be a couple of weeks as I have some other stuff I need to get done first. Appreciate the in-depth questions!
@@InglebardMusic About that note, sorry! It seems I have mess up with Cakewalk (I just copied the note names from the event list). This time I use Cubase. I always feel the fourth to last note of that phrase is one semitone lower. In the original music, it is C A# G# G F [E] G F F instead of C A# G# G F [D#] G F F And the bass of the intro, are you sure it is never there? I will recheck it in the original track soon.
@@InglebardMusic The loop point, sorry, maybe I got confused with some other version. PSX XA audio track could not do seamless loop. So, please never mind. The echo... yes, six FM channels are limited for too many echos. Maybe one echo track is good enough. I am very surprised to get your quick response. Thanks!
For the notes, I'll go back and check, it's possible it was transcribed wrong. I'm a little ignorant on the functionality of the big DAWs, are they able to transcribe digital music straight from the file? If so, I'll have to look into that. For the sheet music I confirmed with, it didn't have the contrabass come in until a few measures after the start. Again, it's possible it was incorrect, I'll go back and check things again when I get a chance.
@@InglebardMusic I just found a video of Wood Carving Partita MIDI and I guess it could be a reference for our topic, but the link was removed automatically here. So, please find【MIDI】悪魔城ドラキュラX 月下の夜想曲 ～ 木彫パルティータ 😀
Uh oh, sorry to disappoint then but someone else will be doing that one. I might do a few of the others assigned to different people for fun down the road, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes so it'd be a while.
Pretty impressive rendition of the instruments. Reminds me a bit of Master of Monsters : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DxrllRDbrNc.html This OST is a very interesting one to study more classic pieces on MD by the way.
@@InglebardMusic ah ok cool yeah I'm talking to him too on youtube, he basically wanted to know if you and others were 😎 cool with it. Sounds great...do you a Facebook so we can all talk. Its just a 8 bar loop for boss battle
Sounds great, makes me think of Master of Monsters (aside from Symphony of the Night of course). One question, if this is using all the sound channels, can it be used in a game without sound effects cutting parts of it off?
Thanks! For modern Genesis games, pretty much all of them use the XGM sound driver, which allows for four simultaneous DAC sounds on top of the FM channels, so you can use all the sound channels like this (technically I didn't use the noise pag channel) without a problem. In the old days, I would have had to cut one sound channel out to leave one open for effects, which wouldn't have changed it too much.
Yeah, but that might not sound good. When pigsy is up for testing this in the game, we'll see how it works as is. If it needs it, fixing it up to remove the 6th FM channel wouldn't be a big deal, I'd basically just clear it out and make one of the supporting PSG channels a bit louder and fancier.
Thanks. I'm going to make speed and tempo changes later that'll be able to be a little more subtle. It just requires going in and modifying clock speed and row speeds to allow for finer adjustments.
People have ported mod players to it that use digitized samples, including in some homebrew games. But just by the spec of the chip, no, it doesn't natively handle the type of pitch changes and other effects you'd get out sound chips for systems like the Amiga or SNES.
It varies a lot and some effects take up more memory than others because they write to registers every tick they're active. My stuff usually ranges from 45k on the low end these days to about 150k on the high end if I go nuts with a bunch of effects and use a lot of samples. The Cammy song I did recently for the upcoming Super SF2 homebrew was a little big at 74k for example. For this one I don't remember the size, I'd check but I'm sick and have been bed-ridden for 2 days so far :p
