My Thoughts on Hwoarang in High Level Tekken 

00:13 They just kinda die 😂

Speedkicks but also speedtalk

About Hwo being able to pressure the opponent better: As a Jin, I've always had a hard time pressuring against a Hwo who spammed b2. It made me want to stop and think twice before unleashing an offensive plan (something that many other character do NOT force me to do, except Asuka, Paul, Geese or Armor King). Sure, it's punishable, it's a commitment, but it feels like an over annoying explosive game of rock paper scissors, in which Hwo has more advantages by design (I mean, it felt; it's been a long time since I haven't met much Hwo online... As it's a past experience, it might be my scrubiness talking). But you know what I mean, Hwo being positive after hits that don't look positive... Forcing to sidewalk on 3 bars... Chipping away the life bar on strings that kinda look infinite...

I kinda want to see speed hash it out with MDJ cuz theres alot of philosophical differences in how they play hwoarang I think. Speed leans on the side of the hwoa player making the read while I feel MDJ puts the burden of the read on the opponents and gets info off of the opponent. Unfortunately they dont speak each others language but I'm interested in how 2 top hwoarang players would hash the character's strengths/weaknesses out

great content speedkicks! even knee said that when two pros fight in the tournament, most of the time, its all about luck specially if they both know each character's weaknesses. the key here is to just play calm and not try to overthink the so called "mindgames". 😘

Hwo is my main and I agree with everything you said in this video. I’m in way too deep to change up now tho and plus I like the challenge but this was good stuff

13:50 some facts about hwoarang that a I always overlooked , my big bro would destroy me using hwoarang.

High level Tekken is for less than 1% of population. Things shown there dont apply to ranked unless you play Tekken for years now with great success

I miss your hwoarang

So what am I supposed to do as a howranang player

Thank you so much

Best Hwoarang!

Exhibit a): If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Exhibit b): If a "cheap" character isn't _actually_ cheap because he has a *critical*, self-defeating weakness that is unlikely to present itself outside of high-level, well-informed Tekken play, does that then make him fair/honest? The justification behind this, that Speedkicks is highlighting, is that Hwoarang himself benefits poorly from this distance-closing, forward-advancing, high-mid-low-alternating, counter-hit-accompanying, poor-decision-influencing flurry of attacks. "Poorly" being 40 points of damage for his trouble. But I dunno, man... Hwoarang netting 40 points of damage per pressure string in an attempt to get his opponent to press punishable buttons isn't exactly nothing- it's 1/4 of their life bar (each character has 170 points of health). And that's without counter hit damage being factored in. And "Just sidestep!" against Hwoarang is easier said than done. You really do have to hit the lab and get the timing of your stepping down while he's in his button-pressing frenzy or else every attack will behave like a homing move. I guess I can't blame anyone for wanting to believe that the character they play is hard to use and has to fight an uphill battle just to win; it's a big part of why using C.Viper in SFIV felt so rewarding to me. But top players (read: players who know precisely how to deal with Hwoarang) make up a minority of the player base. In other words, to the majority, Hwoarang is effectively a cheap bastard, who makes fighting Eddy on a yellow connection feel preferable. However, at the same time, it's nobody's fault but your own if you're not a player who knows exactly how to deal with Hwoarang's bullshit. This is Tekken after all. I do believe he gets away with murder though.

It's more his bs moves that allow him to keep his pressure that piss me off like backlash b1 his safe ws4,4 extremely evasive orbital d3,4 jailing on hit.

What is the best time to do flying eagle

It's easy to beat hwoarang offline because there's no lag and Sidestepping, low parrying, low blocking and back dashing always works consistently , but in online situations even a tiny bit of lag makes it very hard and any kind of movement against his offense feels unsafe and the whole experience fighting against a hwoarang player becomes very annoying and depressing cuz you know we just kinda die.(I am a scrub so maybe it's only me)

Post some hwoarang online fights!

Great 😌

I'm a howrang player but I got to say his not easy on high level it felt so hard to play him on red ranks and higher poor punishment and poor counter hit

I just use d/b+1

What language is he speaking? I can't keep up.

ok so like after watching like 3 or 4 hwoarang videos i think i know what to do with his strings

Change your nickname to speedtalk

Tried using the advice given in this video to fight Hwoarang, got hit on every sidestep, ducked on mids, got frozen and poked out by lows. Cant recognize what I am looking at most of the time, and really, unless you are playing at a high level and putting in that time in fully learning him, it will be the same problem. Hence why this character can just flowchart through 90% to 95% of the playerbase, and will continue to do so. Especially with the changes he got in T7, complete scrub shit that actually conditions Hwoarang players to not even bother to block.

The Shikamaru of the Tekken community.

I actually like that hwo is complicated, most people who overthink like speed tend to lean towards hwo. But the fact that I have to put more thought into all the moves and gameplan actually excites me for lack of better words

I feel the truth (especially at this point in iterations) comes down to Hwoarang having _too much_ going for him. More so than any other character. Especially now that they gave him some of Baek's key tech, in T7. Many gimmick strats to avoid neutral, but so many that it stops being a gimmick, and becomes a crutch of a strategy. He is a nuisance for certain players who fight him, and a burden for those that put the time in to rock him. The Taki syndrome, is most prominent in Hwoarang - the mentality that: "If I win, you were bad and had no idea how to play the matchup. If I lose, it's because Hwo is flawed and so easy to deal with". A character that relies too much on your opponents lack of knowledge, to succeed. I don't personally mind fighting the character, but I always get the impression, the Hwoarang doesn't even enjoy playing the character. So much effort, that it infects your overall perspective of Tekken.

All i can say is. Don't give up on your main.

I think we all feel this way about our mains tho that they are easy to shut down or missing something so I definitely feel you on that

He was my main but the switched his move set soooo much over the years but everyone else is still basically the same but they switched his shit all the way up requiring waayy more combos

I play him as a secondary but lately I’ve been trying to play him more for s3. Far from a pro but I wish he had better WR punishers, slightly more evasive movement and a faster high crush. Maybe a more plus move or force crouch move out of his stances. Or maybe the ability to cancel his crescent kicks into another stance but keep the foward momentum

Wow I really don't know if I have a main anymore

Mori Jin is the reason I play this guy Re Taekwondo Is LIFEEE 😁

Just be honest you dont wanna give away your gameplan

hey who tf wants to lab a char with 7 stances and 200+ moves? No wonder people think he's good at lower levels it's just a façade. I feel like that his kit has so much stuff that it's even hard to understand for hwoa players.

I have started to rely less and less on flamingo. I feel like i put myself in a mixup everytime, im trying to change my playstyle to be more "compact"/safe. But Hwo really struggles in neutral. A couple of things have started developing from this though, the SS mixup (SS 4 / SS jfsr) is a super good tool im using more often then ever before. Just a tip if anyone else is struggling

Honestly u gotta have heart with this char

Great insights, def agree. I think if your objective is just to win as much as possible then you might want to go with someone else. I feel like you can fight through all of the disadvantages that you laid out but personally that's what I like about him. I like the challenge of winning despite those things. But usually if I just want to win and they know the matchup I switch to jack lol

I believe that is why hworang is seen as really good to the non pro players. You literally explained a situation where I'm sitting and becoming a counter striker trying to figure out what the pattern is while he get to push buttons and maintain over whelming pressure not worried about what about my character or their move list. That is an OP character. Only good thing is hworang players in general have no defense as they have relied on being the only person attacking. 😁

Thing is, he needs to be exactly like that on high level because Hwoarang players get away for free in any other level. You can do those flamingo stances and beat everyone without a single brain cell working until people actively put in more effort into learning the match-up than you did at playing the character, so when they do, of course you're supposed to take the L home.

I'm a little confused as to why, with a trash neutral game, a Hwoarang player would want to engage the opponent there first to download opponent tells. Why wouldn't a Hwoarang player just use safer options from his rushdown blender to feel out the exploitable areas in his opponent's defense?

Kinda heatbreaking to see you talk about this speed. I know how much you love the character, but he doesn't play the way you want to play tekken. Either just go back to what you talked about, being good at making alot of reads and perfecting that style (even though it might not be the best for consistent results in high level), or I would say just admit to your self that you have to drop him alltogether in this game and find a true new main. I know the feeling tho, when I play any other character than Eddy, I get bored after 30 minutes, even if I can play them at a decent level.

Tbh I don’t even play hwo like this and I man him. I like defenses better than offense. Maybe why some people who play who say mine is good.

Welcome to pro tekken where every character is hard cuz everybody knows what ur character does , so u need to start using ur mind SCRUP

Point is that if you have a read on hwoarang and know what to do against these strings, he gets killed. Higher tier chars can get read on, but suffer less from it.

*Almost beats Knee wit hwo

I don't think he's a circus act I think he's a unique character

We need Baek Doo San in the next Tekken 7 update.

I really hate playing against hwo players. A lot of them are nothing but aggressive sweats with little defense. I always play neutral and keep my distance. When I get momentum, I go in hard and get as much life lead as I can.

thank you for the insightful video

I usually go in if they are being defensive and then attempt different pokes and adjust to what they aren't use to. The problem is if they read my poke and I come in too strong, you are correct man they punish HARD. Also I use Back+1 a lot to get out of people's pressure tools but that move can be a terrible habit too. ALSO I've noticed as a Hwoarang user I usually always lose my first game in tourney because Idk what moves are most effective yet which does make him not the best for tourneys. Great video man.

I watch Speedkicks videos at 1.5x speed.

I will say only this, you r a great Hworang player DON’T give up on him

That was probably the most convoluted way to say "Hwoarang's offense is not broken enough for him to be viable". He is designed to be an offensive beast and that's all there is to it. Everything else is overthinking. His offense loses value at higher ranks, he sacrifices viability for immense variety, unfortunately. It would be amazing to have this variety be viable at high ranks, because compared to some Eddy or Zafina, at least Hwoarang's stance during offense is not so evasive, making him a "fair" offensive character, but unfortunately he is established as a casual favourite in developers' eyes and won't receive what he needs to go pro.

So basically Hwoarang is week against turtles??? Speed you went over the weakness of one of my mains Eliza, if you ever get time could you make a vid about my other main Master Raven. Raven is very similar to Hwoarang. I love to use Raven in rush down way, but I have to be careful in back turn other wise I'll get lunched. The bt power crush really helped. I'm really glad that added it.

Basically, to actually be "good" (i.e. actually have others look at your game with respect, that's the great equalizer here) with hwo you have to be REALLY good at this game. You have to unlearn a lot of bad habits from playing with him, that's for sure. He requires zero fundamentals of the game to get to red (not joking) but most give up because as easy it can be with him at first, it's exponentially harder once you actually have to "learn" tekken. To say he's execution heavy is an understatement when you're trying to get the most out of him but there's no one else like him on the roster. A "good" hwo Inspires shock and awe and that's what keeps me practicing! I wish speed would stick with him but I really do understand because it's a bonafide catch 22.

HWOARANG IS THE FUCKING MAN!!!

For a character with one of the longest move lists, hwoarang is a pretty simple character, in the sense that he only has one play style - rushdown with flamingo d3,4/1,2 into flamingo, then mixup. If you think about it, I'm pretty sure that every hwoarang player online plays the exact same way, because of his simplicity, including me. I don't even like playing like this way because it's so simple, repetitive and boring. In fact, the most fun part of playing hwoarang online, for me, is having to defend against different characters, and experiencing the different play styles that each character has.

does Tekken 7 Hwoarang has any powerful one shot damage like Paul's burning fist or Jack's Gigaton Punch. Just asking out of curiosity as I am sure Tekken 3 had it.

Maaan.. After red ranks everybody just duck and punish you. And all moves againt ducking opponents have too many frames. All of this combos is good only after laucnchers. Hwo is a worst character of S3. All of 1,2, x,y instantly punish. And 90% its been CH. 2,x,y too. Dead character w/o good punishes, CH, mid kicks. RIP Hwo.

I did not know Speedkicks is black. I swear I don't think there's such a thing as black voice. I didnt even know Tasty Steve is black

1:59 did you just called db3 “db1”

31:56 lmfao damn 😂😂😂

Lee's b 3+4 absolutely destroys flamingo

Thank you for the information!

I finally gave up on this character after 20 years. Playing him made me hate the game. I was in a state of constant frustration and agitation playing him because of the exact reasons speedkicks mentioned. There's a ceiling with the character that you just can't ignore. Veteran hwo players know exactly what I'm talking about. Honestly, If a character makes you feel like that its time to drop them.

Can we get a updated offensive vid?🤔 i just made Hwo my main🤙

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Why is you not uploading new videos?

0:47 me with Yoshimitshu lmao

Tekken Tag 2 Hwo > Tekken 7 they took have his moveset away

speedkick you are the best hworang playerrrr☺😘

very helpful thanks bro

Study world tkd fed style..the fast kick..df+3..is the key to hwo.

Meh. There's alot of things you can get by baiting them with something they should know. For example. Mishima players. They seem to be the ones with the most consistent anti hwo flow charts. Stepping rff d/f 4 and electric... They won that exchange, 80ish damage with the wall. But if they go for it again they are eating the backlash for stepping. It's only 2 moves but has so many negative scenarios for the opponent. Ofc you can option select both with a ss and then a high crushing low that ch launches because it will punish both options. At plus 5, rff df 3 snuffs anything other than ss block and i14 moves. How long until they try to interrupt and you get a handful of different free things for them opting to just block or even attack. That whole situation came just from them knowing to ss. Another example I prefer though, is the highs that end in rfs. It recovers so fast, getting a ws punish is pretty difficult offline. Online with rfs f4, 4 good luck. Knowing you're opponent knows a duckable string and will duck you can bait a ch for them actually getting the read. Usually after that they just give up on ducking and down jab and on the read. Low parry. I Just feel hwo gets alot better the more they know because depending on how well you know you're him you can counter the obvious counter.

How do you jfsr so easly, please teach me your secret

So basically knowing the options and guessing. The one who guesses better wins.

Speed kicks u over analyzed your character for sure

I feel like hworang needs some major changes in 8. He feels way too complicated and requires more thought and effort for the same or little results of other players. It feels like an uphill battle playing him against anyone one with half a brain.

I know this was painful Speed, I'm sorry they made you relive this trauma 😭

Please make more videos

Speedkick is maddogjin

just get gut, scrub

Bro....y'all tripping. Play him like a traditional Tekken character and you will see he has very good tools. For instance no one uses ff3 like they should. Very good pressure tool after simple pokes that are all +8 on hit and at least -2 up to -6 like...they can't step ff3 and attack so mix up quick pokes with ff3. Play him simple and watch what happens

PANDA.

Finally

Speedkicks? More like Speedthinks. I love your content!

This nigga be talking fast af. Love it. Lol

Hwo is cancer online

Button mash character. Girlftiend liked him and chreddie since all you gotta do is mash.

Speedkicks tries to demonstrate how hwo is bad but gets fucked up by his own hwo recording 😂.

Hwo is my fav. But I think he's inferior to Steve.

Overwhelming pressure negated by knowledge and smart decision making . Perfect design .

Lol what a scrub. Arslan is gonna run a train on you Atlanta players this summer..

You're not best Hwoarang, Hwoarang is Korean not USA rapper lmao. I beat you any time, in Tekken 7 bruh!

How cheap do you want hwoarang to be? Mean while the low tiers like gigas and panda have to make do with what they have.. harada namco has given you guys so much hand holding as opposed to players who main the low tiers.. if you wanna ask for buffs.. be fair to everyone else too

In TTT2 he was my second choice after my main. Now I won’t even pick him in T7.

If you ever fight me I almost always go for armor out of flamingo so yea there’s that