This is one of the interesting bat family line ups New 52 and Rebirth / (Prime Earth) bat family Bruce Wayne / Batman (leader) Cassandra Cain / Orphan / Batgirl Claire Clover / Gotham Girl Barbara Gordon / Batgirl / Oracle Selina Kyle / Catwoman Julia Pennyworth Duke Thomas / Robin / Lark / The Signal Damian Wayne / Robin Stephanie Brown / Spoiler / Batgirl Henry "Hank" Clover Jr. / Gotham (deceased) Timothy "Tim" Drake / Robin / Red Robin Richard "Dick" Grayson / Robin / Nightwing / Batman / Agent 37 Lucas "Luke" Fox / Batwing Katherine "Kate" Kane / Batwoman Basil Karlo / Clayface (retired after faking his own death) Alfred Pennyworth (deceased) Harper Row / Bluebird (retired) Jason Todd / Robin / Red Hood Jean-Paul Valley / Azrael David Zavimbe / Batwing Minhkhoa "Khoa" Khan / Ghost-Maker Harleen Quinzel / Harley Quinn
a common fan theory is that Talia changed due to her being healed in the Lazarus pit in the previous film. that is consistent with people revived by the pit but it would be nice if the film confirmed that for people not familiar with it's effects.
She definitely changed,that's a fact, whether it was Lazarus revival or something else has to be confirmed, she's clearly not the same person from the 1st movie, just watch it back to back if you have confusion
since they're DC newbies, it's understadanble they don't know Batgirl and Batwoman are 2 completely different characters. I hope they now know Batgirl is commissioner James Gordons' daughter Barbara and Batwoman is Kate Kane, Batman/Bruce Wayne's cousin.
Remember how they mentioned multiple times that the lazarus pit turns basically everyone except ras insane? And Remember how bruce brought talia back to life in the lazarus pit? Yeeeeeeah
Oh no, Ras was insane. Every plan he had was completely insane; it's just that Ras had the discipline not to act on those insane thoughts half the time.
Did y’all forget that most of the gear that Lucius makes is for Batman so that Iron Bat suit or whatever was design for him originally and Lucius son simply took it
The reason all the tech has BAT association is BECAUSE Lucios designs it FOR Batman. it's not like Stark Tech that is varied and just has his Logo on it Batman's Tech is specifically tailored to be FOR Batman. One look and you KNOW it belongs to Batman. THAT'S the point. The Armor that Batwing is wearing, was designed FOR Bruce. His son just appropriated it.g is wearing is Batman's Armor designed by Lucius. Batwoman though created her Armor to have the Bat motif. There's a difference there. OH and that gril they show at the end....THAT is Barbara Gordon who is BatGIRL
That was the Mad Hatter! 🤣 I haven’t rewatched this movie, but I’m pretty sure Talia’s behavior was explained as her mind being affected from being in the Lazarus Pit, which is confirmed to do that, though typically with prolonged use, which is why Ra’s Al Ghul is as extreme as he is In some iterations, Batwoman (Kate Kane, not Batgirl aka Barbara Gordon) is Bruce’s cousin
By the way, have you ever heard of someone being mad as a hatter? The Mad Hatter? “I made tea for you, Batman it’s my special tea, my special tea, my specialty.”
He’s a master of hypnotherapy, mind manipulation, and is also suffering from several different kinds of psychosis. Jervis, has the technology to put his victims in a living dream and while they’re asleep, their bodies are used as puppets for him to rob banks, deal information kill people, whatever. Depending on the Continuity, or watching his “Alice” is Batman well others there’s a literal woman named Alice, that he’s obsessed with, and wants to force her to be in love with him or by putting her in her living dream.
The batwing suit was being developed by Lucius for Batman because he’s Batman’s “tech guy”. His son just happened to find it and decided to make it his own thing without consulting anyone.
@rainofkhandaq6678 I actually like Batwing and wish he was made more mainstream. He's to batman, what STEEL is to Superman. Plus I love that his suit is almost a very early version of what we know we'll see in the Batman Beyond suit, so he's like a constant reminder of the future.
There's a theory that the reason why Talia al Ghul became evil in this movie was because of the side effects of the Lazarus Pit. In the Son of Batman movie, Batman saved Talia from death by putting in her the Lazarus Pit after getting killed by Deathstroke.
I kinda feel bad for Jen because if she still doesn't like Damian then she's not going to like a few more of these movies. Damian is essentially the main character of this whole universe.
@@prodby3clips There are many, many characters that are not disliked by a vast amount of fans. Although DC seems intent on losing money these days. Just look what they’ve done with their comics and their declining audience.
@@prodby3clips The biggest issue is that DC refuses to continue developing characters that already exist and just keep pushing out more and more new characters people dislike. If they actually worked with many other characters, we wouldn't even need Damian in the first place.
Jervis tetch AKA The Mad Hatter Talia is behaving the way she is because she was put in the Lazarus Pit on the last movie, and every time you use it, it eats at your sanity, making you crazier and crazier. She was already devoted to the leagues goal, but after being put in the pit...well....
It was never explained why Talia became this heartless and evil, but there is a theory that she changed because of the Lazarus Pit, since that Pit heals you and returns you to your prime, but also drives you crazy, you are no longer the same person as before, the negative sides of you are increased, and that is a one possible reason why she became like this.
It was. For those who don't know, the Lazarus Pit changes a person's soul. It doesn't matter if you bathe in it once or twenty times. Once you come out of the Pit, you'll never be the same person you once were. Plus, remember, Talia wasn't just healing an injury; she was almost dead when Bruce put her in the Pit, which altered her even more.
The Bat Family is Bruce Wayne / Batman Dick Grayson / Nightwing Jason Todd / Red Hood Tim Drake / Red Robin Damien Wayne / Robin Luke Fox / Batwing Barbara Gordon / Batgirl Kate Kane / Batwoman Cassandra Cain / Black Bat Stephanie Brown / Spoiler Helena Bertinelli / Huntress Ace / Bat Hound There is a another character called Signal but I ignore that character cus it's stupid he's called Signal get it like Bat Signal and he has a silly bright yellow costume
@@antidave 1 they didn't need anymore characters in the Bat Family there are way enough as it is 2 he is called Signal wich is a reference to the Bat Signal who the hell calls them self after that It's like a knew character calling himself Mobile after the Batmobile or a new Superman character called Daily Planet they are stupid names
Said it in the last DC video and I'll keep saying it. Watching the DC animated movies but not watching the ones based off of the greatest hits of Batman's comics is a crime tbh. The death of Robin. Under the Red hood. Dark knight returns. Killing Joke. Are some of the essentials
Lucius made the bat suit that Luke ends up wearing for Batman, hence why it’s bat themed. Luke didn’t choose the logo it just so happened to be on the suit therefore inducting him into the bat family
My gripe with these movies is how neutered they made Nightwing. He’s one of the few who can contend and beat an unrestrained Batman. In many ways, he’s what Batman should’ve been, as Bruce has confirmed he’s a better Batman than he is.
15:20 I own the comic where this is based on. Batman has Damian. Thalia is jealous. Makes clones to get Damian back or kill him if necessary. One of the clones is all "oh I'm your son wa wa wa" so he kills Damian. Then Thalia is angry about Damian being dead. So she kills the thing.
I also have mixed feelings on this movie. I agree that the first half of the movie was very interesting and the second half just went downhill. Seeing Nightwing take over for Batman for a little bit was great, the growth of Damian is great. I actually like Batwoman in this and the Nunjas joke was top tier!!! Haha But yeah, Batwing was just shoe Horned in. This movie is a perfect example of less is more. Too many new characters stuffed together in a short time, it just doesn't work. In the batman lore there are many Bat-characters that join Batman's team so I don't mind them all being bats, I just wish there was a better justification in this movie to why they were bats in this movie. Nightwing and Robin feels earned. But Batwing didn't feel earned at all. And like yall mentioned, Talia was completely out of character from the last time we saw her. That really bothered me. The "Abraham Lincoln" character is Jervis Tetch, AKA The Mad Hatter. He is based off of The Mad Hatter character from Alice in Wonderland
@@seimen4348 Not in regardess to Talia. Remember, the Lazarus Pit changes a person's very soul, which is what happened to her. This was showing that, but I'll forgive you guys for not knowing DC content. Just make sure you put that you don't know much about the DC universe before making assumptions.
@dantejohnson7796 I've been a DC fan for over 20 years, I know DC content very well. Yes the pit changes people and that's probably what did happen in this movie but not once did they say or even imply that's what was happening to Talia here in this movie. If they made even a single comment about her being different because of the pit then it would have fixed this major issue. So AT BEST we as the audience are left with just fan theories rather than an actual explanation. That's just lazy writing.
I'm sure you'll probably explain in intro of next DCAMU movie, hopefully, but yeah the comment section has pretty much cover everything the difference between batgirl and batwoman, 2 completely different characters, and the affects of the Lazarus pit of Talia when they put her in there in Son of Batman movie.
I know alot of people have said it but Kate Kane is Batwoman and Barbra Gordon is Batgirl also I think they mention it very breifly in the movie but they know Kate Kane because her and Bruce are cousins in every media
Three good animated batman movies y’all should check out are Batman under the red hood, Batman the dark knight returns part 1 and 2, and Batman the long Halloween part 1 and 2.
- Tetch brainwashed Batman. - Talia bathed in a Lazarus Pit and it’s made her more cold blooded; same thing happened to her father. - Luscious made the suit for BATMAN. The son took the suit. Not really any time (or any one) to change out the logo. 😅 - That lady who came after Talia at the end was implied to be involved with Faux-mian
14:05 note this is kinda thing in the comics. talia literally got clones of damian where if damian got badly hurt like organs damamged then she would harvest the organs of the clones and put into her son to heal him + make him stronger. and to add yeah talia character git moe bat@#! crazier by the early 2000s dc comics.
Kate Kane is batwoman and one of the best characters DC one of the first openly lesbian characters. She of her own volition and training does what she feels necessary and as it's military training firearms are on the table if necessary. Batgirl is commissioner Gordon daughter and a whole other long comment worth of awesome
Damien Wayne is a little shit. But his arc is really good and he's one of my favorite Robin's. Him being a literal murdering Bruce Wayne Jr, and a cocky little punk is on purpose. It contrast well against Bruce himself trying to help Damien. He won't always be a punk. Eventually he will be a great Robin.
I get why people don't like Damien, but the kid's not even fifteen yet and was raised by the League of Assassins to lead the world. Of course, he's going to act the way he is when he saw his entire world get destroyed by Slade Wilson, then placed in an environment where killing, the one thing he was taught to do since before he could walk, is off the table, and he has to follow these rules that make no sense to him. Plus, like Damien said in Batman vs Robin, he really has no idea who he actually is. He has Ra's words in his head, Batman's, and Talons, but not Damien's. He needs to grow. And, let's be honest here, how many kids are brats who don't have to go through the things Damien had to do in his short life?
17:30 two reasons for this. 1. branding of course and where they from which leads to 2. in story what city they focus for which this is of course gotham. no different from superman comics when there is steel who resides in metropolis and protects it when superman isnt around or helps out superman against major threats in metropolis.
"She's different she really wasn't like this before" is a pretty good way to sum up Thalia's character in general she pretty frequently flips from morally gray to straight up evil and is mostly just evil when it comes to Damian or at the very least just a terrible mom.
I don’t think that it’s part of this set of movies that you guys are watching but you should check out The Dark Knight Returns. They are my two favorite DC animated movies.
Batman the long Halloween 1 and 2 are great movies. It really captures more on the detective side of batman these movies are completely separate from the other batman movies you have watched but it still great nevertheless.
In (some) comics, the "Bat-Family" is an (seemingly) ever growing collection of heroes that actually provides a fun and interesting dynamic! It includes Batman, Nightwing, Red Hood (Jason Todd), Red Robin (Tim Drake), Batgirl (Cassandra Cain, AKA Orphan), Oracle (Barbara Gordon, FKA Batgirl), Batgirl (Stephanie Brown, AKA, Spoiler), The Signal (Duke Thomas), Batwing (Lucas "Luke" Fox), Batwoman (Kate Kane), Catwoman (Selina Kyle, mostly reformed into a hero), a reformed-yet-still- a-bit-"off" Harley Quinn, and, in fact, several others! I wish they'd do a movie including the entire Bat-Family! This one included a few, but I want them all! and to really show the "family dynamic"! There's a great "fan-comic" on the web-toon site/app that is mainly on the home and family part of it all!
Yeah Talia is DC's Mary Jane Watson. She's meant to be God-like beautiful. Talia has an exotic featured Beauty that just eclipses all other woman. And Mary Jane is just perfect in every way (aesthetically speaking). That was just ONE of the reasons Marvel introduced her with the best line ever given. In the comics Aunt May had been trying to get Peter go ask out her best friend's niece on a date and Peter kept having Spidey things to do. Then one day he answers the door to see Mary Jane standing there and seeing his stunned expression she says "Face it Tiger; You just hit the Jackpot." with a kind of "I'm really Hot right?" expression. Jean Grey (in the late 90's early 2000's) was drawn with very similar feature to Mary Jane making them difficult to tell apart.
Originally Batwoman (Kathy Kane) existed before Batgirl and she wasnt Batman's cousin and was written to be his love interest to deflect allegations of Batman and Robin being gay. This version a long with other elements of Earth one got wiped out of existence after the Crisis event. Then came Barbara Gordon's Batgirl around the Bronze age based off the character created for the Adam West tv series. Another continuinty changing event happen with Infinite Crisis and this new Batwoman introduced.but the old Batwoman brought back into continuity but retcconned with the maiden name Webb. This version married Bruce's uncle on his mom side but he died and she got recruited into some spy organization and created her superheroine identity of Batwoman to gain his trust and spy on him.
That's the fun of Damien. He's SUPPOSED to a brat you don't like. Don't think you seen Judas Contract but there's a line where someone asked where Damien was and the response was "I kicked the shit out of him for being mouthy.. come on I know you've all had the urge." And as the audience we get it because it's who Damien is. So don't worry, Jen. It's okay to not like him. You're in great company.
The reason why they use the bat symbol is because of the meaning behind it, if you're a villain it installs fear and if you're a victim it lets you know that everything is gonna be okay because the bat is here to save the day. That's why they use the bat symbol even if they don't agree with Batman's ways
I just want to say that Luke Fox Batwing is a pretty solid Character. I definitely recommend his New 52 comic series. It's a fun read. I haven't read much of the Batwing before him but I've heard his character's run is pretty good also.
New Holden Hardman DC video just dropped I woke up and I have a Modelo Chelada beer to watch it with good times I wonder what Jen is going to think about this one
NGL, this one actually 'Hurt My Head' to watch🤕Y'all REALLY Need to Learn more about some of these Characters! I'll forgive Your "Honest-Abe / Leprechaun" remarks because THAT Character was supposed to be "The Mad Hatter"🤷♂but even IDK what they were thinking with Him! (LOL) Hopefully You'll Enjoy the Next Movie more / better...🤞
@@tomhoffman4330 oh I thought they were just doing DC animated movies I didnt know there was a specific timeline or continuity. Thanks for letting me know!
I don't know why more people don't react to this show but I highly recommend Superman & Lois. It's hands down the best live action adaptation of Superman. It does more justice to his character than any of the movies did. You'll fall in love with Tyler Hoechlin's Superman very quickly. He's everything the DCEU version should've been. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Superman vs the Elite are really good too if you want good DC animated movies. There's also the DCAU which is very good as well. Batman: The Animated Series is the definitive adaptation of Batman.
“We finally see Batgirl!” Yeah, enjoy that 5 seconds. You’ll never see her again. I’ve always liked the Bat-family, but I agree they kind of crammed what they could in this movie. It was done better in the comics.
I don’t think it is part of this timeline, but you guys have to watch Batman: Under The Red Hood, it’s easily the best of the more modern animated Batman films.
