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This has got to be the most uncomfortable seat I have ever built, even though it seems to be historically correct for this mud wagon coach. Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles is always challenging my limits. Woodworking to blacksmithing to learning history, it's all part of the game.
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@horatiohornblower868 Год назад

Maybe this was the most uncomfortable seat you ever built, Dave, but the way you built it reflected your unmatched skills once again!

@billschmitzer9159 Год назад

Thanks Dave and Diane, I look forward to watching your videos every Tuesday and Friday evening.

@berndheiden7630 Год назад

I had to smile when you gave your honest opinion on the „comfort“ of the drivers seat! In my lifetime I have sat many hours on seats at meetings and conferences in hotels and conference centers including the lecture halls of universities. I have cursed the designers of practically all of the different seating and have more than once wished for them to be seated for eternity on their own creations. It seems to be true throughout the centuries that those who design seating avoid at all costs to sit on these for any length of time! But you are innocent! You got pictures to support you and the remnants, of which I am still absolutely flabbergasted as to how many clues the pile of firewood has discluded to the eye of you, the expert who can look at a bolt hole in a rotten plank and come up with the founded design of a complete stage coach. Thank you for letting us take part in that detective investigation and a nice weekend to you and your family.

@dannyfromtexas5989 Год назад

Sure do enjoy watching your videos. The way you speak and work reminds me so much of my mentor when I was a young man. He taught me about working with my hands and the Lord. If you were closer I would buy you a cup of coffee and tell you about him.

@AltGrendel Год назад

Dave proving once again that you can never have too many clamps in your workshop.

@aserta Год назад

You can say that again. :))

@doncc6080 Год назад

We can call him the Clamp Master!!!!

@chrispemberton7000 Год назад

Back in the day I bet those coach builders would say that will work. Nice that will work Dave.

@chrissmith7655 Год назад

Hi, right hand drive , like it . Many thanks from UK.

@mikeunum Год назад

You are building history and memories for so many humans. This is where the Lord will say: well done.

@stephanmenzel9457 10 месяцев назад

Excellent craftmanship, Sir. Many thanks and hat off from Germany.

@Pushyhog Год назад

here again, 3 hours behind. It's a treat to watch, that frt seat went together quick and smooth.

@tsmith235 Год назад

next time I Visit my brother in Big bend I'm going to stop by your shed and say hello. 🤠

@maggs131 Год назад

I bet the blacksmiths and waggon builders in the days of old would've loved having that press to bend perfect 90° angles in 2 seconds

@jsaurman Год назад

Yeah, it must have been super annoying to make all those parts back in the day. I wonder if there were big mechanical presses that used leverage and weight to make up for lack of hydraulics.

@walterlamb4756 Год назад

Outstanding video!!!

@joescarborough1 Год назад

The hydraulic press was invented in 1795 - so, they were in use - albeit manually operated.

@aserta Год назад

Leaving aside the fact that they did have presses, you don't need a press like his to get the same results fast. Heat the iron proper and you'll bend it with your hand on a jig. Same results, different pathways. Remember, more than one way to skin the cat. :)

@maggs131 Год назад

Remember folks no matter what you think or say there's always a stubby bus load of youtube commenters that will try to show the world what geniuses they are by trying to make you look stupid

@milt7348 Год назад

Stay safe and we'll see you next week.

@shrumittofarmer439 Год назад

JUST what I needed for a Friday evening, with a well deserved Kentucky nectar, after a wild week of maintaining a horse farm and small cattle farm learning as I go. Thank you Dave!

@brownsuspenders7793 Год назад

Kinda funny in a way. You're sitting there saying yuck, we're sitting here saying " he's building a real wagon " from the ground up. Good job Dave.

@mitchilito99 Год назад

I find Dave's blacksmithing soooo relaxing. I just can't take my eyes off.

@doncc6080 Год назад

Thanks for making it as you see it and keeping it historically correct.

@charlesg5085 Год назад

Unfortunately, he did it while wearing both a Jean shirt and pants at the same time... I think it is his way of calling out for help.

@Edeye-1 Год назад

Dave, I really enjoy watching you work!

@catherinewhite2943 Год назад

An uncomfortable seat leads to a properly surly driver, doncha know? 😉

@davesimmons8640 Год назад

An uncomfortable seat might have led to a quicker trip, too. That makes me feel sorry for the horses.

@guysmith1946 Год назад

Great video Just glad I didn’t have to ride on it!!!!

@paulmcmanus6222 Год назад

Or, a driver who won't fall asleep on the road.

@lancekincaid5610 Год назад

Same as now (used to be) not built for drivers comfort. Now things are made to keep grown men from crying like little girls.. Love 💘 your videos, been watching since before the Borax Wagons. Enjoy them every week

@hydewhyte4364 Год назад

I love watching the progress, but I hate knowing we're getting closer to the end of the project

@johnritchie3889 Год назад

The level seat and vertical back is a killer on your tailbone. I know that driving a team you tend to lean forward, but geeeze, that looks uncomfortable.

@eduardschooltink8681 Год назад

also, but I think it isnt right, it has to be slighty curved backwards. 7 degrees will do.

@keithsharratt3402 Год назад

I heard once that the average height and weight for a man in 1930 , according to the CCC was 5'-8" 145 lbs. I purchased a 1947 Chevy COE ( cab over engine ) sight unseen, when I climbed into the cab it was like fitting ten pounds of you know what into a five pound bag. Those old vehicles must have been roomy back in the day but no so much now.

@CC-hl5zj Год назад

Another awesome wainwright Friday night!!! Thank you for sharing!

@richardclifton4120 Год назад

A wider person in that seat will agree with you..."Boy is this seat uncomfortable".

@GeorgeLeite Год назад

With the bracing and the nuts sticking into the driver's back too, the original designer might have disliked coach drivers? Maybe his wife ran away with a driver.😊 You do such nice work. Thank you for sharing with us.

@charlesg5085 Год назад

That seat is nothing compared to him wearing Jean pants and shirts at the same time. Just seeing this is making me sick. Someone needs to contact his family, if he has any.

@MichaelKingsfordGray Год назад

This reminds me that I made a 1 foot model of a Conestoga covered wagon when I was about 8 years old. From scratch. (With a little help from my father, of course...) I treasured it.

@thedevilinthecircuit1414 Год назад

Like you, I often use a farrier's hammer for small driving jobs in the shop. The one I have was made by Atha in the late 1800s...it belonged to my granddad. We love your videos!

@anntrautwein1430 Год назад

Nice New England church pew guaranteed to keep you awake for the whole service

@tolbaszy8067 Год назад

10:58 That is an interesting hammer! Another self-made tool? I think tool making is the seed of artistry. Thanks for sharing!

@johnwaby4321 9 месяцев назад

A good job you have some photos to work from . Coming along nicely 👍👍👍

@bruceyoung1343 Год назад

I surely enjoy watching you work the metal into what you want it to be. Another mighty fine video

@brianmoore5454 Год назад

Its been a hell of a journey of exploration so far Dave

@howardnielsen6220 Год назад

Dave your craft men ship is tops Thank You

@Calif- Год назад

Just found your channel a month or so ago and have subscribed. This 67-year-old woman taking great comfort in the days of old watching you work, reminding us of a time when life was much much more appealing than our modern society. God bless you.

@RickTashma Год назад

Welcome to "Club Dave & Diane", Nancy. If you aren't aware of the Borax Wagon project that Dave did back around 2015, you might find that series quite compelling. I believe Dave created a Playlist for those vids. Cheers!

@TalRohan Год назад

Looks good to me as per the pictures but I certainly wouldnt want to spend a few hours on rough tracks driving it....oh boy no!! Props to you for accuracy though , thanks for sharing

@thedevilinthecircuit1414 Год назад

And thus--the airline "coach class" seat was invented more than 100 years before the airplane

@warrenholmar1129 Год назад

The truck I used to drive (Mercedes) had a wonderful back support. It had air cushioning for your lower back to stop you moving sideways. The Volvo I drive now doesn't have the same back support. On top of that I spend a reasonable amount of time off road or on gravel roads. I do however have an air sprung seat! You can't help but wonder how they did it day in day out. They really were a different breed back then.

@jerrytalley337 Год назад

In your hands Dave, that Hossfeld bender along with your forge, are two fine tools.

@johnnyholland8765 Год назад

Don't sell yourself short. Considering what you had to start with I think you did a great job. The owner should be more than well pleased at your result...

@ellesmerewildwood4858 Год назад

This would have to have been the most uncomfortable wagon in the West. Definitely economy class, no meal, no drinks, no restroom, wooden seats, not even a bag of peanuts. Highway men wouldn't even bother pulling up this coach to rob the poor passengers. Always a pleasure watching your workmanship in action.

@bigredc222 Год назад

He's going make cushions, at least for the passengers, I imagine the driver too.

@tomoakhill8825 Год назад

At 7:00 Dave starts using the bending tool. I notice that he has deep and thorough knowledge of how to use it.Dave changes the posts, and the sleeves, based on what he wants to do, and what the tool does to the rod he is bending. I think it would takes months of daily use, with a teacher, to learn this.

@richardthornhill4630 Год назад

Amazing carpenter and iron working skills. You make it look easy to rebuild the coach.

@tombuffumjr1509 Год назад

I remember my great grand parents talking that life was a bit harder back then and grandma saying they would not make things softer for themselves stubborn and that was all she would say

@waynespyker5731 Год назад

Another great video. Good the hear the sounds and smells of the forge and anvil again for this six year old in 1948, Dad would take me along to the blacksmith shop as he converted his farm's 2 mule implements into 3 point lift conversion for the shiny new red and gray Ford 8N tractor (War production prohibited prior purchasing). The only missing sound 75 years later is the wooden half barrel filled with quenching water.

@stanmoderate4460 Год назад

I notice the driver sits on the right! A tradition we Brits maintain till this day 😉 Who says we drive on the wrong side of the road?

@doctwiggenberry5324 Год назад

what did they store under the drivers seat? just empty space or was there something there. another tour in history. Love your work and also the after hours work.

@saltycreole2673 Год назад

There were tall folks back then, there were rotund folks back then, but not to many tall, rotund folks back then. Lol!

@flywayhome8903 Год назад

Once again thanks for the video.

@mrsbobbinlacer Год назад

Thank you for sharing. It will definitely make it so the driver won't fall asleep at the reins or fall off of it. I find it hard when a genius designs something and then tortures the person using it. I have had that happen at work and had to learn patience to deal with their work, and no suggestion will ever change their mind because they think they are so smart.

@brucemillar3015 Год назад

Damn, I love what you do; I drop into alpha brain waves whenever I watch an episode. It's too bad you don't have an apprentice; once you're gone, your wonderful preservation of an old art ends. It's not too late to pick up a young apprentice. I'm sure they will come out of the woodwork whenever you need them. Grab one.

@benmac940 Год назад

I've often thought that watching these videos. It must be a pretty small pool of people now days with the knowledge and skills to do all of what he does. Would be a shame to loose the art all together

@rodneywroten2994 Год назад

absolutely beautiful sir

@MASI_forging Год назад

The video was excellent as well. 👏👏

@terminalpsychosis8022 Год назад

Beautiful work.

@LewdCustomer Год назад

Dave is about my age, but with 4 times the intelligence and energy. He's a phenom...

@robertrawlings Год назад

Wow Dave thats a new Furness I see nice

@edsecorr7812 Год назад

Great job looking great love your videos thank you

@tinydancer7426 Год назад

There is nothing in that first picture that indicates that the driver seat (which also shows a woman sharing that seat to the driver's left) was not at least padded to provide some relief from sitting directly on the metal supports. Also, that picture clearly shows a fringed top that would protect them (at least their heads and shoulders) from the sun overhead. I am wonder if/when that will be addressed in the build.

@carstenaltvater Год назад

Gosh,I really would like to see this coach in action one day . Great build as always,thank you for sharing 😊

@Cores8 Год назад

Hola Rick, Estoy ansioso cada sábado para ver tus vídeos, eres un genio trabajando tanto la madera como el acero, un artesano de la vieja escuela, como decimos por aquí, en Catalunya, lo mismo planchas un huevo que fríes una corbata, lastima que todo es en inglés, pero con la traducción simultánea al castellano me voy enterando de lo que comentas. Animo que cada vez queda menos para terminar tan espectacular trabajo.

@olddawgdreaming5715 Год назад

That top seat wasn't made for comfort, had to keep the drivers and shotgun riders wide awake and the driver did have to stay in place. The Shotgun rider had to be able to move around slide and be able to shoot on either side of the coach was always my thoughts. But you know what they say about thoughts and opinions. Thanks for sharing with us Dave, the coach is coming right along and will haul a lot when completed. Stay safe and keep up the great videos and all the fun you can work into them. Fred.

@oldscuba Год назад

Educational as always, Thank you. I wonder, in the old picture, it looks as though the seat back was not as high, it looked more towards mid to lower back. Would that not be more comfortable, at the lower back, since your in constant, or semi-constant movement with your upper body....just wondering.

@johnstaley2573 Год назад

In addition to being an extraordinary craftsman you also seem to use the most beautiful wood.

@jackpledger8118 Год назад

Don't think they were very concerned with the driver's comfort back in those days. Probably would have been different if the owner was the driver.

@horacerumpole6912 Год назад

Driver typically will be leaning forward-

@reginaldgraves1684 Год назад

@@horacerumpole6912 Precisely, imagine him being perched up there with nothing to prevent him falling over backwards.

@ronboe6325 Год назад

If it was me, and if Lazy Bones was still in business in Billings, I'd put a big Lazy Bones easy chair up there. :^D With a cup holder and a thermos holder.

@maknifeandrods7701 Год назад

Love the forging and having to build parts that have to be a duplicate of original parts. Great video

@jeffclark2725 Год назад

Great video, you will make it work out, always enjoy coming in by invite, thanks

@robmatthews7972 Год назад

It has been a pleasure watching you and the skill you take to make items historically correct. Who will take your place after you are gone? or will this work be lost.

@mcransley 3 месяца назад

Thanks, very interesting.

@barrywinters1142 Год назад

I was watching very carefully when you were bending the bars...the pea is under the closest bar!

@brucematthews6417 Год назад

So.... this is the original racing bucket seat? 😁

@patrickcolahan7499 Год назад

My back hurts just looking at the boot seat. No thank you. But thanks for sharing.

@Tammy-un3ql Год назад

I really enjoy watching you work!

@richardbrobeck2384 Год назад

Your blacksmithing skills are just as amazing as your woodworking !

@kycornbread6990 Год назад

Dave, can't say enough how much I've enjoy your channel, love how precise you do your work. If you have time just a few questions, I got quite a few old hammers my self, what do you call that little goats foot hammer you use? Some times you use coal other times gas, does it have to do with the amount of metal you have to move? When you put the metal on the seats would it make a difference if it's on top or underneath, then the head is only thing you have to contend with when making the seat covering. Just curious

@Convoycrazy Год назад

You can scale out those photos! If there is a single known dimension in the photo (i.e. some of the irons that you physically have) you can scale any unknown dimension on that photo with a set of sharp dividers and a dial caliper!!! (in regards to seat back, width, top height, etc)

@horacerumpole6912 Год назад

A seat only a Quaker would find agreeable-

@Canopus68 Год назад

Back when I was interested in the Civil War I was told that the average soldier was between 5ft and 5ft 5 in. tall.

@HBTwoodworking Год назад

Dave, it obvious you enjoy all phases and skills on each project: woodworking, blacksmithing, wheelwright, machinist, painter, upholsterer, engineer, investigator, historian, etc. While you enjoy it all, which is your absolute favorite and, likewise, which is your least favorite? And why?

@darrellspiller9268 Год назад

Amazing, just amazing.

@terryrobinson1416 Год назад

Well you can't have a driver get comfortable. He'll fall asleep and crash! Lol

@michaelgillespie1206 Год назад

The horses know the way, hahahaha.

@Landrew0 Год назад

You're looking for precision in something that really didn't have it. Most items were still bespoke in the way each craftsman did things, and interchangeable parts were slower to become standard.

@lotuselanplus2s Год назад

As always, really enjoyed the vid, one thing, that hollow space under the seat is begging to be partially boxed in and maybe with a removable lid to make a storage compartment.

@waynezoll3190 Год назад

You are outstanding work.

@marceloreisdesouza8511 Год назад

👏👏 estava ansioso para assistir mais um capítulo desta grande história. Deus abençoe a todos.

@myadvantages Год назад

A perfect seat. Your shop is interesting. 🍞

@TheUncleRuckus Год назад

It certainly looks uncomfortable as hell! 😂

@mikemarley2389 Год назад

Enjoyed the ride.

@chuckthomas8176 Год назад

Awesome sir .

@redrockplumber5124 Год назад

Just a humble input, I think I would use the front wheel as a relative reference and done the sizing from that. Thank you for bringing us along!

@lwilton Год назад

It appears to me, especially at 1:05, as though there are seat cushions on all of the seats, including the driver's seat. It looks to me like his backside is a couple of inches off of the seat plank. And I can see cushions on the passenger seats. While they wouldn't have wasted a lot of money on the driver's comfort, it looks like passengers (probably lower-fare ones) also ride on the front seat. That being the case, I can see them making a leather-covered horsehair cushion for the front seat. That could also reduce driver fatigue, and possibly reduce accidents, which would cut into the profit margin.

@mailleweaver Год назад

He'll be adding cushions for sure. He was commenting on the overall shape of the seat, not the flat hardness of it, when he said it was uncomfortable. A back and arms that go straight up without any lean are really uncomfortable.

@kennethrearick2906 Год назад

Based on the picture with just a couple of people standing beside the coach, it looks like the driver's seat does not have a wood arm as high as you made yours. It looks like it might be 2-3 inches in the front slopping up to maybe 5 or 6 in the back. The metal arm seams to be only two - three inches high on the front and follows the taper of the wood to the back of the seat. I think that this would give the driver a little more room when getting on and off and working the brake.

@leslieandrews6324 Год назад

I am hoping there will be test drive avinchaly.

@wellsmarshall2297 Год назад

Thanks!

@roberthagood4770 Год назад

Thanks for another great video. May GOD bless you and yours.

@chrishoward8473 Год назад

Just by the picture, it looked to me that the back came up not quite so high, just above belt level. But I don't know if that makes any difference with the comfort. (And you're the expert... I'm just a gawker.)

@ktoth29 Год назад

Once you pad the seat out it will get better….I would have given an inch or two on the center armrest to accomodate wider persons…I hate going to my local vaudeville house and sitting a theater chair from the 1920’s.