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Myford 7x7 - scraping headstock bearings - intro, design, setup and grinding scrapers 

Jan Sverre Haugjord
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Some background/intro: I knew that there would be a need for scraping the front bronze bearings because I had taken a look at them and seen the majority were worn smooth and probably had minimal- or less than optimal contact, especially in front. Some radial wear "grooves"/lines also. Clearly in need of refurbishment!
My goal is obtain a structure with good contact area and distribution of scraping marks to allow for proper lubrication of spindle, which ensures longevity, and of course to make an accurate (and rigid) bearing
Having read about multiple (3- or 4-contact) area bearing, which should make the bearing stiffer, I wanted to try this also. At least on one bearing.
The way I would do this is to first finish scrape it complete, then relieve the sections axially. However, there is no evidence that Myford did this and I may (only) try one or two this way..
To avoid oil leaking out in front the front (and rear) of the bearing it may also be OK to try to have a consistent high spot around the periphery. We will see how it goes.
Design: Myford changed headstock design with different oil feed systems, first version with oil reservoir on top and gravity feed through 3 holes and 1 or 3 axial grooves.
This was later changed to wick feed (through cup oiler and smaller reservoir feeding into wick), inclined some degrees from central position below bearing, an only one oil hole and axial groove
The groves doesn't extend all the way back and front to avoid oil seeping out
Tools: triangular and/or "spoon" scraper. Triangular scraper tends to dig in (faster), but is OK. Resting on the rear edge for sturdier handling (I tried masking tape to avoid scratching the surface, but too much hassle for possible minimal results)
Grinding scraper using either "manual stoning" or machine. Latter is best, especially the one with angle setting possibilities. Spoon scraper can be ground to negative (scraping) angle, which makes it easier to handle. Resting the motor onto the end so the grinding disc is horizontal is nice (better control)
Setup considerations: mounted on firm base allowing rotation of workpiece (headstock). In my case I tried a simpler "direct to vice" method, but concluded that you need to be able to rotate the headstock to conveniently (read accurately) scrape the cylindrical/tapered bearing. I then looked for a way to mimic Nick Müller's setup using a rotating table, and thought a perfect way would be my Saacke grinder's dividing head. It has an ISO40 taper, but should be easy to make an adapter. However, some "fool" had broken a tap or screw in the head locking mechanism, and it proved to be worse to undo, hence I had to rethink to get things moving.. Came up with the simplest of the simple, just whacked a piece of bored- out- to fit aluminium bolt onto a stud which formed part of the mounting plate for the headstock (used 3 of 4 bolts to secure the headstock). Then I took 2 blocks of wood, clamped together and drilled a suitable hole through their centerline. Plugged the alu bolt in this hole and voila.. I can loosen and firmly tighten the headstock in "any position".
For radial positioning of spindle when testing, I mounted a couple of the old thrust bearings as they normally would be sitting, ie, facing one another with a distance ring and tightened using the pair of castellated nuts front/back.

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@NoelBarlau
@NoelBarlau 6 лет назад
Great stuff, Mr. Haugjord. Please keep the scraping videos coming. I'm very curious to see how the lathe bed straight edges are progressing! Also, good to see one of Rich King's stones making a cameo appearance. Always makes me smile with memories of his scraping class.
@jansverrehaugjord9934
@jansverrehaugjord9934 6 лет назад
Thanks for the comments! Will "keep 'em coming". Well into scraping saddles and cross-slides now.. reckon I will do 2 or 3 videos on that topic. PS! What do you mean by "lathe bed straight edges"? The ways themselves? If so, this is already covered in earlier published videos. Stones as bough through Richard are very handy! I shortcut many thought processes this way, ie. learn from mentor/best practise whenever possible! I have many, many good memories also from the scraping classes.
@debasishsahu3082
@debasishsahu3082 5 лет назад
Very nice sir I learn so much and like ur teaching styles.
@jansverrehaugjord9934
@jansverrehaugjord9934 5 лет назад
Thank you very much for the nice comments!
@cliffordarrow6557
@cliffordarrow6557 6 лет назад
very interesting. don’t see much plain bearing scraping on youtube. just curious did you consider converting to ball bearings?
@jansverrehaugjord9934
@jansverrehaugjord9934 6 лет назад
Clifford Arrow Thanks. Never seen a conversion to ball bearings on a Myford S7. Not sure how easy that would be, but more important, why consider this? The conical bronze bearing is a rigid design for this type of lathe and gives a very nice finish as well as allowing a good top speed. In fact, many precision lathes (especially smaller but even some larger) have bronze or plain bearings
@cliffordarrow6557
@cliffordarrow6557 6 лет назад
Jan Sverre Haugjord Hi, truthfully, this was just an assumption on my part in assuming that ball bearings are superior than plain bearings. Not used to seeing them in modern lathes probably led me to this assumption.
@jansverrehaugjord9934
@jansverrehaugjord9934 6 лет назад
Sure, I understand :) Didn't mean to be direct or negative. I too thought that bronze bearings were inferior to ball bearings, sort of just the old-fashioned way of doing things before the invention of better methods.. until I read up on the subject.. :) Pro and cons for both types.. I think this has a potential of starting a "bearing war", ha, ha. However, one could argue that bronze bearings are mostly replaced anyway, I guess, since nearly all lathes made for our normal use nowadays have some sort of roller- or ball bearing design for the main spindle.. Simple and affordable (and maintenance free for a long life). The Super 7 was designed way back in the 1950' ies and possibly the supply situation was different then, also labor cost lower (for scraping the bronze bearings) etc. Still, performancewise as good or better with the bronze.. When I give it more thought, had it been a cylindrical bearing of equal diameter over the length, it would maybe have been possible to make a relatively easy change? Involves line-boring the headstock, so chances are there for spoiling this part.. Just of of curiosity, anyone having done this change?
@fstarockaburns425
@fstarockaburns425 5 лет назад
"skilled amateur" - yeah right
@ominguti6345
@ominguti6345 Год назад
Great video thank you. However, how do you stone the bearings during scraping? If you don't stone, then how do you remove all the burrs after scraping?
@jansverrehaugjord9934
@jansverrehaugjord9934 Год назад
Thnks. I would never use a stone inside there, no, but there are other (better) ways to remove burrs on softer materials as well as brass. If I remember correctly I used some kind of knife tool/razorblade
@ominguti6345
@ominguti6345 Год назад
@@jansverrehaugjord9934 great, thank you for replying :-)
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 6 лет назад
This looks much more complicated than scraping dovetails, I'll have to spend a lot of time thinking about the geometry of the tools and how to get the end result. Thank you!
@jansverrehaugjord9934
@jansverrehaugjord9934 6 лет назад
somebody else Not so complicated really, but there was a certain amount of cut and try before I mastered it enough to get any consistency/repeatability.. one needs to practise to get better/good here too, and learning as you go , you need to stop and think to check you are on track.
@ROBRENZ
@ROBRENZ 6 лет назад
Enjoyed Jan! ATB, Robin
@jansverrehaugjord9934
@jansverrehaugjord9934 6 лет назад
ROBRENZ Thanks!
@886014
@886014 6 лет назад
Nice Jan. I use that same brand of bearing blue and like it
@jansverrehaugjord9934
@jansverrehaugjord9934 6 лет назад
Seems to function , although not so easy to wash off as the Canode. Thought I'd try it anyway as I had a tube..
@daveyw390
@daveyw390 6 лет назад
Is that a mk1 Myford?
@jansverrehaugjord9934
@jansverrehaugjord9934 6 лет назад
Three Mk1's and four Mk2
@konighansen9062
@konighansen9062 6 лет назад
Flot arbejde
@jansverrehaugjord9934
@jansverrehaugjord9934 6 лет назад
Thanks!
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