Here is what I'm noticing: Although I am not familiar with Jung or Greek history in depth I find solace in the thoughtfulness and pace of this conversation. There is something here that is calling to me to see further, feel more deeply and honestly, and to become more dedicated and focused. I am full of feelings of gratitude and love for these gifts. Thank you both.
The reason I have to - and will - listen to this again and again, is because I'd assumed that some parts of me who heard it, had walked out the door long ago. I could tell from certain spine chilling moments, that when those parts heard the words they'd given up hearing, they turned around and started heading back. Oh how I wish Peter Kingsley could keep the conversation going, so I could find courage, company and the determination to meet them at the door. Thank you for this!
A fascinating, rich conversation. I've listened to it twice, and I am addicted to its rich approach to the lower world that the age of reason tried to hide. The Universe is not "rational" it is a mystery I love to explore.
“To give birth to the ancient in a world that is new.” This is one of the many gems shared in this conversation between Peter Kingsley and Murray Stein. After watching, I find myself really looking forward to Peter’s new book. I’ve found his work to be compelling and at times a corroboration of experiences I’ve had that are difficult, if not impossible, to name. Thank you for this great discussion!
I have listened to this - and the complete interview - several times, and have each time been moved anew by a deep resonance that leaves me somewhat breathless, and I feel ripples spreading out in all directions. I have been exploring Orphism for talks that I give on mythology, and was surprised at the connections between that and certain ancient philosophers and Jung. Thanks to Kingsley, I am coming to understand that much of what has been considered separate - different deities, different myths, different mystery schools - are different aspects of one profoundly mystical, psychological and extensive system of thought and experience. Thank you so much for this very important interview. I am learning so much.
This almost brought me to tears of happiness. Yes, we all must work to find and to hear and to see our own dead. They aren't given. I've been trying to do this for some time, but it was unclear to me what I was really aiming toward. Some of it has just crystallized for me; and now I'll be reading the Red Book. Sincere thanks.
Peter is mesmerizing, as usual. I found myself astonished by the connections made between Empedocles and Jung. I don't know what will happen to us if we ignore these messages from the deep.
Thank you so much for this video..I really admire Peter Kingsley's patience for western oriented patient minds, preparing them for the Catafalque, abridging with the deep historical collective big memory...Sharing the pieces of links gradually with a dedicated effort in his works... Sharing his own mind-soul path so diligently, so naturally that enables his readers to re-discover their own roots to set them free (liber) for the future....It is a pleasure to watch him alive, unveiling western minds cluttered layers and hi-story.. Puzzle pieces on the Path to Wisdom ( Hikmet) ...For a bigger knowing beyond knowing ! For a new human Being beyond supposed humanity. Blessings Peter !
so so so good. I will be listening to this again and again. Really hope for more conversations like this with Peter Kingsley and Murray Stein. simply excellent!
I appreciate the commentary on our habitual response to personality #2, "The Mystery", starting around minute 17. "The thing is there is no 'Of Course...' with personality #2...". It reminded me of a section of Answer to Job that also particularly struck me: "It is altogether amazing how little most people reflect on numinous objects and attempt to come to terms with them, and how laborious such an undertaking is once we have embarked upon it. The numinosity of the object makes it difficult to handle intellectually, since our affectivity is always involved. One always participates for or against, and 'absolute objectivity' is more rarely achieved here than anywhere else" (section XVI). The "absolute objectivity" referred to here, I take to mean staying awake and responding to the thing itself apart from preconceived ideas and tendencies, which tend to either dismiss (the "of course" of the common rationalistic response) or concretize (the common 'true believer' response) the original numinous object. What strikes me so much about this passage is how he puts his finger on how it is precisely the "numinous" quality of a thing that evokes this response in us. It is nowhere more difficult to remain awake than in encountering the numinous. This is also evoked toward the end of this video, when Peter discusses the fact that the Greek word for incantatory spells (pharmakon) is the same word as for poison and the remedy for poison. In such a situation, what option do we have, but to remain awake? This is the challenge and the opportunity. Thank you for sharing this exploration!
It’s easy to think about the potion that Tristan drinks on the boat with Iseut(and really the whole romantic tradition in general) when they discuss apotropaic magic.
