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Mystery of the Missing Congressmen 

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On October 16, 1972 a small Cessna 310 aircraft carrying four people went missing en route between Anchorage and Juneau Alaska. While flying in Alaska can be notably treacherous, the loss of this particular aircraft was especially notable, as among the four were two US congressmen, Alaska’s Nick Begich, and Louisiana's Hale Boggs, the house majority leader.
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@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel 25 дней назад
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@MahkyVmedia1
@MahkyVmedia1 25 дней назад
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@bobgillis1137
@bobgillis1137 24 дня назад
It must have been just a coincidence that Boggs was a dissenting member of the Warren Commission.
@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel 24 дня назад
@@MahkyVmedia1 I am a historian. Ask me again around 2050.
@MahkyVmedia1
@MahkyVmedia1 24 дня назад
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel if being a historian isn't against the law
@douglashall2141
@douglashall2141 24 дня назад
​@@MahkyVmedia1then vote Trump
@robertbridges517
@robertbridges517 24 дня назад
Just before the loss, "FLYING" magazine had an article by the pilot about ...."Ice Without Fear". Jonz flew into known icing conditions in a plane that could (and probably did) turn into a brick from icing. While many theories abound, the best and easiest is that the pilot was too cocky and pushed his luck too far. As a pilot and living in Alaska at the time.... I saw the "Flying" article is a major insight into the pilot's mindset.
@Renwoxing13
@Renwoxing13 24 дня назад
Or Hear my insanity out. As usual they initiate the coverstory well before they use it, & sometimes before they even know if they will use it at all !
@stanislavkostarnov2157
@stanislavkostarnov2157 24 дня назад
I think the exact words would be: "someone in that plane was too cocky and pushed his luck too far" we are not 100% sure which of the planes occupants they were talking about.
@justaguy6100
@justaguy6100 24 дня назад
It's amazing how pilots tend to be so rational and realistic in their thinking. Makes it hard on those trying to sell a conspiracy theory ;-)
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 24 дня назад
@@justaguy6100 Well, as I tend to read _all_ fatal accident reports, I find that pilots tend to be 100% human, pretty much every time.
@justaguy6100
@justaguy6100 24 дня назад
@@UncleKennysPlace True dat. My Dad was a Lt. Colonel and WW II P-51 fighter pilot and, ultimate, flight instructor. Not much for the wild theories, he.
@FYMASMD
@FYMASMD 24 дня назад
My father who grew up in Alaska, said at the time, that people disappear in Alaska all the time. Usually because of a lack of respect for the climate and conditions. I personally know two pilots that had thousands of hours bush flying there that disappeared with no traces found. Alaska is HUGE!!
@canyonroots
@canyonroots 20 дней назад
Just like the oceans.
@stefanie7823
@stefanie7823 15 дней назад
Unfortunately it’s very true. I was stationed in Fairbanks for a few years and whenever we’d get new folks in they were always warned to never venture out alone, especially in the winter.
@6omega2
@6omega2 24 дня назад
Conspiracy theories aside, let me say only this: 1. October is "very much already winter" in Alaska. And, 2. The weather in Alaska can turn suddenly dangerous in a heartbeat. I know both of these things from experience, as I have USAF flight time over Alaska, in air rescue.
@absalomdraconis
@absalomdraconis 23 дня назад
Well, here's to hope you spend more time in Florida.
@cbman4767
@cbman4767 24 дня назад
Many years ago I was with search and rescue with an Air Search certification. We were called out for a missing aircraft between Cranbrook BC Canada and Fernie, BC. The aircraft was not found but a hunter tripped on the engine while hunting some 10 years later. It was ruled that the aircraft exploded in mid-air.
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 24 дня назад
Certainly many pilots have disassembled their aircraft in flight in bad weather. But unless there is a device onboard, it's unlikely it actually exploded. Do you have a link to the report on this? Because searching for missing planes in BC gets you a lot of matches!
@jayc4562
@jayc4562 24 дня назад
The Air National Guard participated in this search. I was an air technician for them at the time. I know a person that was flying Anchorage at the same time Jonz was flying through. A very experienced pilot, he thought with the weather that Jonz never made it across Portage glacier. Don Jonz's girlfriend was going going on that flight but the aide bumped her off. She is still in Alaska. I'm a pilot myself and the people that I know who knew Jonz weren't impressed with his skills. That is how we got Young and all his baggage.
@KlingbergWingMkII
@KlingbergWingMkII 24 дня назад
In almost all aviation accidents, the simplest answer is usually the correct answer. You stated that the airplane had just come out of a standard inspection. It is well-known that the most dangerous time to fly a plane is the first couple of flights after an inspection. It is a prime time for human error to come into play and create a situation ripe for aircraft failure - often electronics or engines. So, that's the most likely cause of this crash. Finally, it is no surprise the plane has never been found. Alaska is rugged and lightly populated. That plane may never be found. May they rest in peace.
@oldmech619
@oldmech619 24 дня назад
Icing is the most likely. Probably went down in water.
@KlingbergWingMkII
@KlingbergWingMkII 24 дня назад
@@oldmech619 wrong climate for icing. It's possible, but unlikely. Thunderstorms in the Midwest are great for icing, Alaska, much less so.
@TheBeingReal
@TheBeingReal 24 дня назад
@@KlingbergWingMkIIWrong climate for icing? Where did you get that from? All one needs is the dew point withing ~2 degrees of the air temp at freezing temps. 1972: electronics on this plane were pretty simple. Being a light twin, even losing one engine mid-flight buys one a lot of time. Weather is the top killer. In GA.
@rob6231981
@rob6231981 24 дня назад
​@@KlingbergWingMkIIHuh? All you need is visible moisture and temps below freezing for icing to occur. Has nothing to do with "climate". Most ice I've ever picked up was in my 414A over Jacksonville, FL. I've gotten ice in the Keys. Of course they could have encountered ice, I believe it's more likely than not.
@KlingbergWingMkII
@KlingbergWingMkII 23 дня назад
@@TheBeingReal Where did I get it from. Well I've been a pilot for more than 50 years. I'm saying that Alaska, due to it's low humidity, is a less likely location for icing. It's not high on this list for this accident.
@michaelwalton7776
@michaelwalton7776 24 дня назад
"Out of the blue in the western sky comes...Sky King'! Yep. I'm that old!😞
@kennethrouse7942
@kennethrouse7942 24 дня назад
You're not alone! Let's not forget Penny and Clipper! 😉👍
@coldlakealta4043
@coldlakealta4043 23 дня назад
great memories of that show - triggered a lifetime love of aviation
@user-zj9ly2uf4l
@user-zj9ly2uf4l 23 дня назад
What was his daughter's name?
@scotpens
@scotpens 23 дня назад
@@user-zj9ly2uf4l She wasn't his daughter, she was his niece Penny, played by Gloria Winters.
@user-sq4jz9up6g
@user-sq4jz9up6g 21 день назад
Me too did you have a crush on Penny?
@johnpeschke7723
@johnpeschke7723 23 дня назад
A friend who is from Alaska told me once that in Alaska "there are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are no old, bold pilots."
@sarahalbers5555
@sarahalbers5555 7 дней назад
Absolutely true
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 День назад
The same saying has been applied to electricians working with high voltage.
@Not_So_Weird_in_Austin
@Not_So_Weird_in_Austin 25 дней назад
Great presentation. My brother was an Alaska State trooper at the time, himself a pilot, had cited the Don Johns for lack of carrying emergency equipment required by Alaska law, and was by reputation a bad pilot...planes in Alaska dissappear on a regular basis many not found...Ted Stevens survived the crash and died from injuries before help could arrive hours later...
@randyalanko4903
@randyalanko4903 24 дня назад
A college friend's dad was a retired Fairbanks based bush pilot, he commented that Jonz believed he flew better without the locator.
@FlyingNDriving
@FlyingNDriving 23 дня назад
He probably drove better buzzed too!
@dugroz
@dugroz 16 дней назад
That would be the most obscurely specific superstition ever
@tmcgill2219
@tmcgill2219 24 дня назад
It appears that a straight line route from Anchorage to Juneau would not only cross Prince William Sound but also spend a fair bit of time over the Gulf of Alaska. Planes going down in deep water are extremely difficult to find.
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 24 дня назад
Yup But I suspect that being VFR he would have been hugging the coast
@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq
@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq 24 дня назад
@@shawnmiller4781 that coastline is predominantly mountainous. If you can’t see where you’re flying, or what you’re about to smack into, it’s safer to fly over water.
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 24 дня назад
@@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq That’s why I usually let the guys actually getting paid up front worry about keeping it on J501 and staying north of Laire
@cruisersonly
@cruisersonly 22 дня назад
No one would have made a straight line flight over this route in a Cessna 310. But in any event the terrain on this route is remote and inhospitable enough that there would be little difference between going down over land or over water.
@marks1638
@marks1638 23 дня назад
When I heard them mention a recent maintenance inspection on Don Jonz's airplane, then I knew it was a maintenance issue that brought down the plane. When I was an Air Force aircraft maintenance technician, I noted that 90 percent of all maintenance issues were caused by previous maintenance by other technicians (sometimes even the same one). A bad wire (accidently cut by someone else), a loose connection (not reconnected properly by another tech), and my favorite a bad circuit board (that wasn't properly tested before or after install or installed improperly). Many aircraft incidents are prevented by pilots and ground crews doing a thorough preflight check looking for equipment anomalies, funny noises, strange vibrations, or even panels with missing fasteners. One time I was servicing a B-52 just back from depot and noted a weird problem in our Electronic Warfare System when the Navigation Radar was turned on, but only that system. Yet, neither system was connected to each other, yet one affected the other. Turns out it was a loose ground in the power panel, and it affected several systems but never at the same time (just randomly). Aircraft maintenance is a challenging field and must be done correctly and meticulously by the book.
@FuzzyMarineVet
@FuzzyMarineVet 25 дней назад
Lance, you call this history, but I call it memory. I was a freshman in high school at the time and the three networks all carried the story for days.
@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel 25 дней назад
I am sorry to inform you that your time in high school is now history... ;)
@mikenixon2401
@mikenixon2401 25 дней назад
You made me think of one day my granddaughter asked a question for her history lesson. History?! I was there. That's not history. Ha, Ha, Ha. Actually it was and she had an edge for her class. Thanks for being a historic figure with so many of us. Have a blessed weekend.
@HM2SGT
@HM2SGT 25 дней назад
😅 Time Marches On and sneaks up on us. I just realized that I'm not too far from being the same age as Alec Guinness when he played Obi-Wan Kenobi... & Luke Skywalker is now 10 years older than that!
@unclenogbad1509
@unclenogbad1509 24 дня назад
I know. It's like when the radio dj calls the next song a 'golden oldie', and I'm thinking: "What? I bought that single when it came out." Time, eh? But we're still young at heart, right?
@HM2SGT
@HM2SGT 24 дня назад
@@unclenogbad1509 Child _like,_ *not* child _ish_ 😄 Reminds me of George Carlin's old DJ routine, he's introducing a song and his patter goes "Number one on the charts this week, next week it'll be a golden oldie!"
@calliecooke1817
@calliecooke1817 25 дней назад
Apples and oranges, but this reminded me of when Sen. Heinz of PA was killed. I had been working on his home in Cleveland Park right before it happened. Coming back from Middle East during first Gulf War, if I remember correctly. Small plane was hit by a news helicopter. Tragic. Then his widow,Theresa, married John Kerry. Ironic.
@Persephone-t5b
@Persephone-t5b 25 дней назад
They never found them?
@calliecooke1817
@calliecooke1817 25 дней назад
@@Persephone-t5b Oh they found 'em. I don't exactly remember, but it was either outside of DC or outside of Pittsburgh. News helicopter was all in their face trying to get the scoop on this high level fact finding mission and dumb a---s ran into Sen. Heinz' plane. Everyone on the plane died. Really totally different circumstances but same type of small plane.
@JackSmith-jj3bi
@JackSmith-jj3bi 24 дня назад
Marrying John Kerry “TRAGIC “
@nedludd7622
@nedludd7622 24 дня назад
@@JackSmith-jj3bi MAGA opinion.
@TheBeingReal
@TheBeingReal 24 дня назад
@@Persephone-t5bthey did
@takomega7189
@takomega7189 24 дня назад
I lived in Alaska for many years. I flew constantly between Fairbanks and Anchorage. I was in 3 "unplanned landings" during that time. It really is odd that most of the plane crashes there don't even make the news, as opposed to down here in the Seattle area where I live now.
@TR-on9tx
@TR-on9tx 25 дней назад
A few us still here and have flown with Don, remember some of his ideas about icing. Among other acts of piloting back in the old days in Fairbanks at interior airways..no surprise.
@frankmoreau8847
@frankmoreau8847 24 дня назад
In 1994 the wreckage of a WW2 patrol bomber (a Lockheed Ventura) with a crew of 5, from Whidbey Island Naval Air Station was found by a hiker on Mount Baker, about 60 mikes from the Navy base . The Pacific Northwest is far more densely populated than that area of Alaska and Mt. Baker is an oft climbed and hiked mountain. It was 41 years from the time the Navy plane went down until the wreckage was discovered. It is not surprising at all that no wreckage of the Cessna has been found to date
@rileyk99
@rileyk99 25 дней назад
ELT's have also been notoriously unreliable as well, a hard enough crash could damage the ELT or antenna bad enough that it would just not activate or activate but be unable to be heard. Newer ELT's link to a SAR satellite network but the problem of damage bad enough to destroy it is still there.
@AlanToon-fy4hg
@AlanToon-fy4hg 25 дней назад
Back years ago my late father was a private pilot. One day his mechanic received an ELT recovered from a crash site that had not gone off.... A new battery was installed and the mechanic and staff did everything possible to set it off, including throwing it against the hangar floor. It still did not go off.....
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 24 дня назад
They don’t work well under water or after burning either
@fatboyrowing
@fatboyrowing 24 дня назад
This video deserves to be remembered
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS 25 дней назад
Since we are on this topic..... Can we get a video on the Senator Heinz mid air over Lower Merion Elementary?
@earllutz2663
@earllutz2663 24 дня назад
Thank you THG for another history lesson. I remember when House Spencer Hale Boggs was reported as missing.
@mikep490
@mikep490 24 дня назад
Some people claimed to hear an airplane that got thru Portage Pass (his probable flight path). Mountains on either side of the pass *might* be near max alititude for this plane, depending on wing ice loading. Part of a tail section of a small plane was found by a fisherman hear Hutchinbrook Island (East of his flight) in 1980 but it "disappeared". (No one knows if it was from a Cessna.) He also wasn't carrying the mandated survival gear, since the plane was at, or slightly above, max weight. Jonz was an experienced/capable pilot, though he was known to "push his luck".
@Sashazur
@Sashazur 23 дня назад
On some other aviation channel I read a comment with a quote that seems appropriate here: “In Alaska half the people are pilots, and half the pilots have licenses”.
@RobertLake-mf2qt
@RobertLake-mf2qt 25 дней назад
Yes, I remember this incident; it seemed very odd at the time, and it still remains to this day. I have always hoped that someone, some day would come across the remains of that flight, and that might happen somehow in the future. I hope it does.
@MikeDial
@MikeDial 25 дней назад
Wow, I was 19 at the time and have no memory of this story. Thank you for the history lesson.
@cturdo
@cturdo 25 дней назад
Sketchy charters in AK are not a new problem and remains today.
@grapeshot
@grapeshot 25 дней назад
Yeah, and they even deployed an SR-71 Blackbird to look for the missing plane. The first time I ever saw one of those planes was on the 1984 movie, D.A.R.Y.L.
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 24 дня назад
I want to say Johnson had just declassified the program when this happened
@JAGRAFX
@JAGRAFX 25 дней назад
A light twin can be a real handful to control in an engine-out situation.
@JoshJones-37334
@JoshJones-37334 24 дня назад
A VFR pilot who flies into IMC has an average life span measured in minutes.
@JAGRAFX
@JAGRAFX 24 дня назад
@@JoshJones-37334 a lotta folks think they can beat the "temporary" IMC with their autopilot. Yet another deadly myth that is busted when the AP gives your out-of-trim airplane back to you in that cloud! 😃
@absalomdraconis
@absalomdraconis 23 дня назад
​@@JAGRAFX: Many pilots can do it... while their plane is at rest on the tarmac.
@danbenson7587
@danbenson7587 22 дня назад
I don’t think the FAA approves charter pilots w/o their commercial and IFR tickets. Certainly a pilot w/ its guys experience had plenty of IFR time. Flying IFR doesn’t mean you’re in clouds with zero/zero viz. Still pilot error remains top of the list. I wonder if they flew straight line or followed the coast.
@JoshJones-37334
@JoshJones-37334 22 дня назад
@@danbenson7587 they did for a long time. An IFR ticket wasn’t required for a commercial license until the 90s. My dad was an ag pilot with 8000 hrs and he was VFR only.
@kellybasham3113
@kellybasham3113 24 дня назад
Lance, for future reference and since the mid-1950's, the aviation phonetic alphabet standard for "H" is Hotel. I don't mean to be so picky, but as an IFR pilot and involved in aviation literally from before birth (my dad a professional aviator and my mom soloed when she was pregnant with me), I couldn't help but make this comment or else my head might explode. Love your videos, please keep up the great work!
@gonphercoughie897
@gonphercoughie897 24 дня назад
Dang, you beat me to it about Hotel, not Hulu being the phonetic word for H. Lost my ticket in 1980 due to low blood pressure, I guess they don't want an airplane falling out of the sky due to the pilot blacking out while pulling more than 1 G......can't blame them on that point.
@craigcanoe3
@craigcanoe3 24 дня назад
@@gonphercoughie897 I lost my private SEL and my Control Tower Operator Cert in 1980 also, do to bleeding uclers. I still miss flying after all these years..
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 24 дня назад
Careful. The phonetic alphabets has changed over the years Able, Baker, Dog, Easy, item, Sugar have all been used in older systems I want to say Hulu was in the earlier versions as well. Btw, I am ex army signal corps and hold a FAA dispatch certificate
@mike89128
@mike89128 23 дня назад
Slightly off topic but related. When I was growing up in Chicago during the 1950s, The Chicago Tribune annually ran updates of a mother's search for her pilot son who disappeared on a flight to Alaska while in the USAF during the Korean War. Every year she would hire a search party to comb the woods around the estimated location of the crash after the pilot radioed his location. The plane was never found. This search was almost 20 years in length. The Tribune stopped running the story in the late 1960s. There are many plane wrecks that haven't been discovered due to terrain in the CBI "Flying the Hump," of WW2.
@MmntechCa
@MmntechCa 25 дней назад
Alaska is certainly the place to go if you want to get lost. Been to the panhandle a couple of times. Lot of uninhabited space with a lot of big, pointy things. Controlled flight into terrain is not an uncommon cause of general aviation accidents. Especially in IFR conditions. Of course the conspiracy theories make for a better story. And with all the ones that have been proven true in recent years, I wouldn't automatically write them off anymore.
@adventureswitharizonaart6117
@adventureswitharizonaart6117 24 дня назад
In Alaska, the terrain will reach up and grab a plane right out of the sky, the water and trees will hide the evidence.
@plasmaburndeath
@plasmaburndeath 25 дней назад
Here is crazy part from page 6 of the report that should be mentioned: The Pilot may have said HE WAS NOT GETTING PAID for the flight!, OMG - Seriously - you get what you pay for, if this was true, imagine that.... just wow. Page 6: "Although the Investigation found no evidence to establish conclusively whether the Pilot Of N1812H was to be compensated for the flight from Anchorage to Juneau, it should be noted that one witness did testify that the pilot had stated that 'he was not getting paid for the flight" The question of compensation is relevant. If the Pan Alaska aircraft was not being operated for hire, then the provisions of Part 91 of the Federal aviation Regulations 5/ would apply to this flight; if the flight had been operated for hire, then the provisions of Part 135 would have applied" {Note I had to manually correct the OCR read out from the .pdf}
@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel 25 дней назад
The question of compensation, which still hasn’t been answered, might affect whether the emergency locator was required.
@plasmaburndeath
@plasmaburndeath 25 дней назад
@@TheHistoryGuyChannelYep (although I still think all insurance companies should require it and require black boxes, on even smaller planes and boats); and I just hope with the question of him being paid, that he wasn't going through a rough time financially or in general, distracted pilot, pilot putting in lower effort due to low morale, just madness. I truly hope they were going to tip him at least. :)
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 24 дня назад
I'm from a flying family and was in my senior year of high school when this happened. I remember my Dad discussing the disappearance with several other pilots, one of whom commented that Don Jonz had once written a dismissive article about the dangers of airplane icing. Another mentioned that Hale Boggs was a heavy drinker, so perhaps everyone aboard had imbibed before takeoff. All of this is pure speculation and may not contain an ounce of truth, but I'd sooner believe weather and incompetence were the culprits before I would accept a Mafia conspiracy theory.
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 24 дня назад
They never should have watered down that law in the late 1990’s
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 24 дня назад
@@shawnmiller4781 Which law are you referring to?
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 24 дня назад
@@Paladin1873 AS02.35.110 lists the survival equipment required to be carried
@thomasmetz3
@thomasmetz3 24 дня назад
I find it difficult to believe that an effective bomb could be hidden somewhere on a C310 that the pilot wouldn’t find on a preflight inspection. The airplane is just not that big,
@TheKulu42
@TheKulu42 24 дня назад
Agreed. I've seen RVs bigger than that plane. Any bomb would have to be the size of a grenade, but it likely still would have been found.
@byroncromwell3155
@byroncromwell3155 25 дней назад
Reading Tip O'Neil's Man of the House, Tip says he told Boggs that Begich "Doesn't have much of a fight." Tip thought Begich would win without the time and expense of a congressional heavyweight to help him. Sounds to me like Boggs wanted a working vacation to help his buddy. Being raised in the state, I don't see a conspiracy here.
@brentdykgraaf184
@brentdykgraaf184 24 дня назад
Sooo 2 congressman disappeared..never found. One was the speaker of the house!. Hmmmm... twin engine so one engine failure was not the issue.
@byroncromwell3155
@byroncromwell3155 24 дня назад
​@@brentdykgraaf184 Let me amplify this a bit. Neither was Speaker. Boggs was the majority leader. Tip wasn’t installed as Speaker until ’76. I don’t remember reading where Tip was in the hierarchy. However, he was always able to count votes. If Tip was correct, Begich didn’t really need the help.
@user-os7uz8tp1q
@user-os7uz8tp1q 24 дня назад
We're in the dark here. With no evidence, nothing, including a bomb, can be ruled out.
@allentac6222
@allentac6222 24 дня назад
Why do I feel the timing of this particular episode isn’t coincidence?
@capt.bart.roberts4975
@capt.bart.roberts4975 25 дней назад
Alaska is big, like really big. I just remember big old growth trees. And everywhere being miles from anywhere else.
@cecilma3140
@cecilma3140 24 дня назад
Korean 007 also carried a congressman, missing after leaving Alaska…
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 24 дня назад
Yeah but we know what happens with that aircraft
@Franklin-pc3xd
@Franklin-pc3xd 25 дней назад
A version of that model C-310 was used in the television series Sky King. It was known as Songbird II. The earlier Songbird was a Beechcraft twin, I beleive.
@aviatorflighttraining
@aviatorflighttraining 24 дня назад
Earlier songbird was a Cessna UC-78 Bobcat
@TooLooze
@TooLooze 24 дня назад
I loved when Sky King and Penny got the 310.
@Franklin-pc3xd
@Franklin-pc3xd 24 дня назад
@@aviatorflighttraining Yes; you are correct. I took another look and, indeed, I was mistaken about Songbird I being a Beech twin. Similar look, but size-wise, clearly, it was that Cessna Bobcat trainer. That's an interesting story in itself, about how the C-78's were used to crank out bomber pilots for WWII. They were the Senecas of their day.
@scotpens
@scotpens 23 дня назад
Sky King's plane was a slightly earlier model, a Cessna 310B.
@michaelmccleary4665
@michaelmccleary4665 13 дней назад
The faded fuselage was seen at an old hangar at Merrill Field after snow damaged the roof. The airport maintenance man found it under tarps. Upon reporting the find to his supervisor and returning to repair the roof the next day, the hangar was empty.
@davhuf3496
@davhuf3496 24 дня назад
Also note that on that severe mountain wave turbulence was occurring.
@saaamember97
@saaamember97 24 дня назад
Folks here, have been chiding over the use of "Hulu" for the letter "H." During my 20 years in the U.S. Air Force, as a Computer and Communications Technician, I was required to know the phonetic alphabet by heart. That was 27 years ago! Let's see if I still got it ..... A = Alpha B = Bravo C = Charlie D = Delta E = Echo F = Foxtrot G = Golf H = Hotel I = India J = Juliet K = Kilo L = Lima M = Mike N = November O = Oscar P = Papa Q = Quebec R = Romeo S = Sierra T = Tango U = Uniform V = Victor (Had a hard time remembering this one, but I got it) W = Whiskey X = X-Ray Y = Yankee Z = Zulu
@MrShobar
@MrShobar 24 дня назад
Thenumber of Alaska pilots is an underestimate. There is a lot of flying in Alaska without the benefit of a license.
@TheFULLMETALCHEF
@TheFULLMETALCHEF 25 дней назад
I had been trying to remember what plane Sky King flew-thanks!
@Ivan-pl2it
@Ivan-pl2it 25 дней назад
310 cessna
@captainez
@captainez 22 дня назад
@@TheFULLMETALCHEF I think that the Songbird was a
@Kevin_747
@Kevin_747 24 дня назад
I got my multi engine rating in the same model 310 in '71. Even with questionable weather for VFR if the pilot got in IFR conditions he could air file IFR with ATC and fly to better conditions or land. Worry about violating the part 135 regs. later. Someday they'll find something to finish the story. In my opinion the conspiracy theory is reaching pretty far. It was something operational, bad weather and poor judgement can be fatal.
@billkoons9612
@billkoons9612 24 дня назад
I was on a hike and got lost near what the flight path of the 3:10 would have been. Ran across some wreckage. Took some pictures have shown different people no one seems to be interested in them. I've had a pilot's license since 1971.
@desdicadoric
@desdicadoric 17 дней назад
Wow, that’s odd. Perhaps it was inconvenient for some reason
@dlbstl
@dlbstl 14 дней назад
Did you show the right people?
@billkoons9612
@billkoons9612 13 дней назад
I've shown to the forest service, FFA,Editors, accident investigators I've also emailed several people the pictures. I guess I should go back to Alaska and just throw it in the back of my pickup
@billkoons9612
@billkoons9612 13 дней назад
Made a typo it should say FAA
@haroldellis9721
@haroldellis9721 24 дня назад
The type of airframe that strafed and drop a bomb on the bridge, in the Wild Geese.
@thecameramantraveler4830
@thecameramantraveler4830 25 дней назад
Just subscribed. Thank you for making these videos that mix history and mystery together. I am a big geek in aviation disappearances and I enjoy learning about these types of events.
@tejloro
@tejloro 25 дней назад
There were several reports of HAM radio operators picking up distress signals from that area just after the plane went missing. There's also hints the Hoover knew about them and ignored them based on his dislike of Boggs... Conspiracy theory? Maybe. Probably should've been mentioned at least in passing...
@jeffro118
@jeffro118 23 дня назад
Yes, I was trying to find where I'd read that but can't. As I recall, there's no theory that Hoover caused the crash, but given that it happened, he was in no hurry to see Boggs recovered and may have interfered with the search. There was also talk of satellite photos over the glacier area where it flows into the sea, and when they went to find them some years later to see if they could spot the plane, the photos for the time the plane would have been on the ice before it calved into the ocean had been removed.
@tejloro
@tejloro 23 дня назад
@@jeffro118 I didn't say Hoover caused the crash... but he seems to have had reports of radio calls from (apparently) the crash survivors and he let the reports sit on his desk without acting on them...
@jeffro118
@jeffro118 23 дня назад
​@tejloro Agreed. I didn't intend to imply you said Hoover caused anything. I was agreeing with your overview.
@tejloro
@tejloro 23 дня назад
@@jeffro118 There was an episode of History's Mysteries (can you trust them????) called Alaska's Bermuda Triangle that mentioned all this...
@captainez
@captainez 24 дня назад
As the vice president of the local PATCO union in 1981 , I went to Washington DC with an appointment with the congressman from New Orleans, Louisiana Representative Lindy Boggs. Said she was so happy to get the idea of our plight... and then would look into it must be real busy Still waiting...43 years,,, Pura Vida... where's Hale
@TooMuch637
@TooMuch637 22 дня назад
The Podcast, “Missing in Alaska” is an amazing listen that goes in-depth into this mystery. From the Mob, to the CIA. It’s a must for anyone who found this interesting.
@timlecount8690
@timlecount8690 23 дня назад
Thank you for covering this important part of Alaska history! I always teach it in my AK history class, but now there’s a great RU-vid video to go along with it:)
@buzbuz33-99
@buzbuz33-99 24 дня назад
As the picture indicates, the Cessna 310 is a very low-powered twin engine airplane. If one of the engines failed or if they ran into icing conditions,, they would likely be unable to maintain altitude and would eventually crash. Looking at the map, I would guess that the pilot tried to take the shortest route over the ocean (where there are no mountains to hit) and that's where they ended up. I knew a company pilot who had a harrowing flight in a Cessna 310 where ice was building up on the aircraft and the props were throwing ice into the fuselage, creating a terrible racket. He decided to change occupations.
@OpusBuddly
@OpusBuddly 25 дней назад
Continued flight into icing conditions over mountainous terrane.
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 24 дня назад
Or open water
@constipatedinsincity4424
@constipatedinsincity4424 25 дней назад
Have a great weekend fellow Classmates!
@honodle7219
@honodle7219 24 дня назад
They flew away into eternity.
@vanroeling2930
@vanroeling2930 24 дня назад
Interstate 310 bridge over the Mississippi River outside of New Orleans LA is named the Hale Boggs Bridge in his honor.
@winnon992
@winnon992 10 дней назад
I remember all this. It was constantly on the radio in Louisiana. I remember his wife , Lindy finishing his term. I always figured the same ones that took out JFK took them out too. Too many people close to the assassination were done away with. J FK and Bobby had too many enemies ! No matter what history tells you these days !
@constipatedinsincity4424
@constipatedinsincity4424 25 дней назад
I know Nick Begich`s son. I interviewed him in the 90's and once for Art Bell for 90 minutes at his home in Pahrump.
@charlesbaldo
@charlesbaldo 25 дней назад
You knew and worked for Art Bell? If I remember that interview was about HAARP. I miss Art Bell
@fearoffema
@fearoffema 25 дней назад
​@@charlesbaldoArt was the GOAT for radio hosts
@robertarnold9815
@robertarnold9815 25 дней назад
@@charlesbaldo So, which is it? Secret plot to silence the two, space aliens, they took their stolen booty to Brazil & lived out their lives in luxury, or typical aircraft crash into deep water. Hmmm let’s see, I’m going for the latter but I’m sure Art jumped to a secret plot executed by space aliens.
@constipatedinsincity4424
@constipatedinsincity4424 25 дней назад
@@charlesbaldo Yes you would be correct Youngling. I miss him too. Coast to Coast sounds similar but its far from the same! Would you agree with me?
@colusaboy
@colusaboy 25 дней назад
@@constipatedinsincity4424 I listen to a podcast by 3 younglings. Last Podcast on the Left. Very popular and they constantly talk about Art Bell and how he influenced their show. Lot's of love for Mr.Bell to this day.
@RetiredSailor60
@RetiredSailor60 24 дня назад
Good afternoon History Guy and everyone watching. October 16 was my 10th birthday.
@TheKulu42
@TheKulu42 24 дня назад
I went to the scene of a plane crash years ago and was surprised by how small the site was. I live in the Appalachian Mountains, and I think the only reason it was found quickly was because witnesses saw where it came down and it was near a local airport. If it had crashed further away, finding the wreckage would have been difficult.
@markgbrown6767
@markgbrown6767 25 дней назад
Great job History Guy! You answered all of my questions and some I hadn’t thought of 😃😃
@Houndini
@Houndini 24 дня назад
You could just about write a conspiracy theory book just on this plane crash alone. I even read a SR 71 Blackbird was flying over searching for missing congressmen pick up an emergency beckon & even talk to survivors only govt wouldn’t send out a rescue response team to the coordinates. This story full of them & why’s?
@mattreames3356
@mattreames3356 24 дня назад
Enjoyed learning more about this lost flight.
@v.e.7236
@v.e.7236 24 дня назад
Marginal weather patterns have been the demnise of many a pilot and many a famous person, as well. Jim Croce, Lynard Skynard band, and recently, Kobe Bryant. All pilot errors that killed their passengers due to negligence or hubris - your choice. How any pilot can willfully fly into weather they're not qualified to fly in is an enigma to me. Why? smh
@willtravel9207
@willtravel9207 23 дня назад
The Begich's were family friends in the tight Fairbanks community. Jonz was known to be reckless and undisciplined.
@VernonWallace
@VernonWallace 24 дня назад
I was stationed in Alaska at the time. I hear they used a SR-71 in the search.
@BasicDrumming
@BasicDrumming 24 дня назад
I appreciate you and thank you for making content.
@philhatfield2282
@philhatfield2282 25 дней назад
VERY interesting! I lived in Alaska for many years, and the names mentioned (Don Young, Ted Stevens, etc.) are quite familiar. Interesting to hear how Don won the Representative seat. I lived in Juneau, but traveled the airways quite a lot while I was there. Strange that no signs of wreckage were ever found.
@salernolake
@salernolake 25 дней назад
The route from Fairbanks to Juneau is mostly either adjacent to, or over the Gulf of Alaska. There's a good chance the plane crashed in the water, broke up and sank. Think MH370.
@philhatfield2282
@philhatfield2282 25 дней назад
@@salernolake well, it was Anchorage to Juneau (the plane originated out of Fairbanks, but pucked up the passengers in Anchorage) and while it is true a portion of the trip is over the gulf, going to Juneau is over a lot of the upper panhandle, so a mix of land and water.
@Ivan-pl2it
@Ivan-pl2it 25 дней назад
Ted was a felon
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 24 дня назад
@@philhatfield2282he would have been following the beach
@salernolake
@salernolake 22 дня назад
@@philhatfield2282 True. My point is that the idea that wreckage not being found is not that strange. The plane was more likely lost because of unsafe flying practice than some weird conspiracy theory, especially given that the pilot was apparently known to be cavalier about safety,
@BigboiiTone
@BigboiiTone 20 дней назад
Hiya Lance, this story is somewhat infamous for we Alaskans, especially for myself as I've lost a very loved family friend to a very similar plane crash. The woodlands here are truly vast, it's kind of scary to think of a tiny plane crashing into it and just being swallowed up by the dense green sea. Even with modern avionics and safety mechanisms, aviation mishaps are still a reality that take lives to this very day. Thanks for sharing this story with the rest of your audience. I hope if anyone has to fly, you fly safely! Cheers
@russcrawford3310
@russcrawford3310 25 дней назад
CFIT due to IMC ... same as Kobe Bryant ... any pilot will tell you, just file ... no, commercial pilots won't make money without an instrument rating ... why a plane's instruments cost more than the plane ...
@seansmith580
@seansmith580 21 день назад
Thank you, I drive on Bogg's bridge daily. I never knew the history.
@waltonwarrior7428
@waltonwarrior7428 24 дня назад
Some mysteries are not meant to be solved. I think this is the case regarding this disappearance. I was a junior in college at Texas A&M at the time of this mishap and I remember it being covered extensively for many days.
@mattgeorge90
@mattgeorge90 25 дней назад
Great episode!
@seanbatiz6620
@seanbatiz6620 25 дней назад
Yet another EXCELLENT episode, as anticipated from THG!!! 👍🏻👍🏻 If y’all think THIS plane is small, I have a 1957 Nesmith-Cougar “HOMECRAFT/HOMEBUILT” w/115 Hp 4 cyl pancake Lycoming engine.. “FOR SALE”… needs full restoration; has no skin
@ricksaint2000
@ricksaint2000 24 дня назад
Thank you History Guy
@kellybasham3113
@kellybasham3113 24 дня назад
Love your videos
@-.Steven
@-.Steven 24 дня назад
Fascinating! Years ago I would hear one of his sons on national radio. Seems he didn't believe his father's disappearance and death was because of bad weather. But as this video points out, there's no evidence either way.
@rogergoodman8665
@rogergoodman8665 22 дня назад
On this day in History: July 15th 1964, A spectacular thing happened, My favorite History Teacher, LANCE GEIGER was born!!! Thank you very much for all you do! I enjoy your channel very much Lance! HAPPY 60th BIRTHDAY BUDDY!!!
@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel 21 день назад
Thank you!
@naturetrails8357
@naturetrails8357 24 дня назад
I watched a history hunter video on RU-vid, it mentioned about the Louisiana senator having enemies cause he was against the war in Vietnam also. Idk , Alaska is big and vast we know that quite likely just crashed disappeared. Interesting video thanks for sharing
@jasonz7788
@jasonz7788 24 дня назад
Thanks great job sir
@keithhinke3277
@keithhinke3277 23 дня назад
I was actually in on the search for one flight. Flew as an observer on a CAP flight out of Juneau looking for the missing airplane.
@GRW3
@GRW3 24 дня назад
That podcast was so interesting. This is a good visual supplement to that. I recommend the podcast if you found this interesting.
@robertstevenson57
@robertstevenson57 25 дней назад
Hale Boggs, along with Gerald Ford were the two Congressmen who served on the Warren Commission. Boggs disappeared and Ford was appointed Vice President and became the only unelected President upon Nixon’s resignation. There are no conspiracies but no coincidences either.
@LokiOdinson-fz8ps
@LokiOdinson-fz8ps 24 дня назад
What ever Ricky Redneck
@jliller
@jliller 24 дня назад
Coincidences happen all the time.
@robertstevenson57
@robertstevenson57 24 дня назад
@@jliller When it comes to the Kennedy Assassination, I am VERY skeptical of coincidences.
@ChitinaMoose
@ChitinaMoose 23 дня назад
As an Alaskan I am grateful for the story you have presented. Yes planes crash all the time up here to the point the news hardly covers them. And the photo of the HC-130 with Alaska Air Guard was good but the HC-130 did not come over to the Air Guard until much later after the accident. But the Air Guard did participate in the search with the i believe was the C-123. Like several others in the posting I am a former ANG aircrew. Thank you your doing a great job.
@Chris_at_Home
@Chris_at_Home 24 дня назад
I used to hunt on one of the islands in Prince William Sound. One year in the late 1980s after a big storm we hunted there. We had a small plane we flew off a beach and were ferrying people to a nearby airport at the end of the hunt. I was the last one to be picked up and I was wandering around this beach and found the floor from a small aluminum aircraft buried in the sand with only a small portion of it exposed. I couldn’t lift it out. The weather was closing in when my ride arrived and I never mentioned to anyone for years. I have flown in many small aircraft and this floor was consistent of what a floor from this plane would look like.
@MGB-learning
@MGB-learning 24 дня назад
Great video
@davidg2122
@davidg2122 24 дня назад
Story well told sir.
@BigboiiTone
@BigboiiTone 20 дней назад
Ha! Fun to hear the Eagan clan mentioned again. I actually went to highschool with one of their family
@thelastjohnwayne
@thelastjohnwayne 24 дня назад
Take a Shot of your favorite Beverage every time The History Guy says "The History Guy" and you will be Snockered in No Time
@constipatedinsincity4424
@constipatedinsincity4424 25 дней назад
They went of the radar over the Black Pyramid in Alaska!💯
@michaelmccotter4293
@michaelmccotter4293 24 дня назад
Nonsense.
@jliller
@jliller 24 дня назад
@@michaelmccotter4293 The poster's username is "constipated in sin city" so obvious he's full of shit.
@pickanotherid6646
@pickanotherid6646 18 дней назад
C-54 2469 still hasn't been found since it disappeared in 1950. A Cessna 310 is a lot smaller than a C-54, and it wouldn't take much snow to get blown over it to make it nearly invisible from the air.
@petercozzaglio6070
@petercozzaglio6070 25 дней назад
So Much history.
@patrickcaudill2939
@patrickcaudill2939 23 дня назад
I thought the I Heart radio documentary to be extremely interesting Also enjoyed listening to your input as well.
@billcallahan9303
@billcallahan9303 3 дня назад
They'll find them one day like they found the other 11 years later. What's scary is that one or more might have survived, tried to walk out & got eaten by bears etc.
@MM22966
@MM22966 22 дня назад
Rarely does a year go by without a plane or helicopter disappearing into the Alaskan wilderness...usually into the side of an Alaskan mountain. AK National Guard gets a lot of flight time looking for crash sites.
@LMacNeill
@LMacNeill 10 дней назад
Occam's Razor: All things being equal, that which is most likely is probably the truth. But it's just so much more FUN to assume there was a conspiracy! Being blown up by the mafia makes a *far* better story than flying into poor weather does.
@cathyheston3029
@cathyheston3029 25 дней назад
Cokie Roberts....Remember her? Thanks for your work and this channel ❤
@frankdodgee
@frankdodgee 24 дня назад
Very sad and a loss. RIP
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