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Mythbusting the BMW M50 intake on my BMW E36 328i 

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We're finally back at Munnik's Performance Centre after a year of hard racing and driving to find out if the M50 (325i) intake makes the so called claimed gains on my E36 328i, or not?
Watch the video to find out. Big thanks to MPC, Munnik's Performance Centre in Montague Gardens, Cape Town for sponsoring my power runs.
Here's a link to the previous video where we did the decat: • Does removing your cat...

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@CSI_tuning_solutions
@CSI_tuning_solutions Год назад
as said before. ecu needs to be tuned proper to the m50 manifold. however, torque loss below 4000rpm cant be 100% compensated. but it is still the way to go if you want an easy power upgrade. and there is no mythbusting. it has been proven many times over the last 25 years that it can gain around +15hps above 5500rpm.
@pashkaS54
@pashkaS54 18 дней назад
This seems about right from my experience. The M52 manifold is just not the limiting factor on a 2.5 or 2.8 and only makes marginal gains on a 3.0+. 2.8 with US S52 or Schrick camshafts does work a little bit better.
@johnpearson492
@johnpearson492 Год назад
I did the m50 intake manifold on my S52 M3. I had to do a little tuning to the ECU to really take advantage of it. There wasn't much change with the swap alone. Once I adjusted the MAF curve and spark maps, the differences were incredible! It particularly comes alive up around 4000 rpm.
@AndiS21-u6r
@AndiS21-u6r 7 месяцев назад
What did you do to the MAF curve? Shouldn't the stock ECU adjust easily, as the engine can consume/flow more air?
@johnpearson492
@johnpearson492 7 месяцев назад
@@AndiS21-u6r The stock MAF couldn't handle the airflow at high RPM, it would flatline at the top end. This created a lean condition as the engine was pulling in more air than the MAF was reporting. To fix it I cheated by modifying the MAF curve to supply extra fuel at high airflow readings that way it wouldn't go lean. Though it wasn't exactly correct but it worked based on wideband O2 sensor readings I took. I tried the resistor method to fix it and failed miserably, the resistor method required a full retune of the entire MAF curve and it was darn near impossible to get the low RPM sorted out. Mind you I was road tuning the engine and high rpm wide open throttle is far easier to tune than just off idle.
@AndiS21-u6r
@AndiS21-u6r 7 месяцев назад
@@johnpearson492 Thank you for the lengthy explaination. I guess this must be necessary for S52 engines. I guess not for M52, as it doesn't have the same cams as a S52 does. Now im curious to measure my MAF readings at WOT until redline. I have a M52B28 with the M50 manifold swap.
@johnpearson492
@johnpearson492 7 месяцев назад
@@AndiS21-u6r I suspect you are correct as the hardware is all the same between the M52B28 and the S52B32, however you might get really close. The amount of your engine needs should be closely related to the difference in displacement and your engine is only 13% smaller. Test and find out, it will be very obvious if you chart the MAF output voltage or calculated airflow, if the readings hits a flat upper limit then you will want to account for it.
@MrJesse158
@MrJesse158 Год назад
As someone who has an e36 328i with the M50 swop, I can tell you that the dyno results could not be any more accurate. I experienced the same and was disappointed. However, this does not mean that the m50 manifold swop is not worth it. We cannot compare a stock intake manifold against the m50 swop on the stock ecu. The stock ecu can and does take time to adapt but the m52 manifold has an average flow of 193cfm per cylinder and the m50 an average of 285cfm per cylinder. The difference is huge so I don't believe the stock ecu can adapt in its most efficient form. It would have been great to see a tuned(ecu software) stock manifold vs tuned m50 swop. Maybe that will indicate whether the swop is actually worth it and whether there are gains to be made. I have also experienced that m3 branches helps alot! Gives 7wkw and 20nm, a b**** to install but a much needed torque gain throughout the entire rpm range, with no ecu tune. The above is just my opinion and from my experience, others may experience it differently. For me, the m50 manifold swop is definitely worth it, if you get a chip/management along with it. This is amazing content, looking forward to the next video so we can settle this debate for good!
@tracktiondriving
@tracktiondriving Год назад
Shailin, thanks so much for your valuable feedback. Now I dont feel so bad, and neither should my mechanic Ashiq either lol. I am currently looking at a stock ecu tune option. But I am first going to try out the timing correction first. Will document and post as we go along. Junaid
@PerformanceWithPage
@PerformanceWithPage Год назад
This is great news. Been looking for info on M3 branches! Mine arrive next week :)
@jahedb
@jahedb Год назад
@@PerformanceWithPage what tree species? Hard "WOOD" i hope
@PerformanceWithPage
@PerformanceWithPage Год назад
@@jahedb 😂😂😂 why do you like wood?
@jahedb
@jahedb Год назад
@@PerformanceWithPage yes i have a lot of wood!
@kovalanmoodley7559
@kovalanmoodley7559 Год назад
Love it bru! 😁Car is sounding 🔥🔥🔥
@chadmasters6975
@chadmasters6975 Год назад
Awesome content!!!
@delanohutchinson9708
@delanohutchinson9708 5 месяцев назад
Get the service done, interesting after a year of hard driving you havent loss power. And as far as i know different wheel/tyre dimensions will affect the power unless the dyno technician corrects it, so bigger diameter wheel should net a bit less measured power, similar to how lower gears net higher hp figures .
@winha1435
@winha1435 9 месяцев назад
They keep telling it need to be tuned but you should the be comparing tuned stock vs tuned m50 and gains would not be pleasing for those who swear by this upgrade. Tu models would be better of whit m54b22, b25 or b30 intake manifolds and you dont lose disa, i think m50 manifold swap being so popular at the time was cause they where cheap back then and they work good whit an turbo setups so every na tuner who thinks bigger is allways better and yields more gains got into them whit buttdyno.
@TechTokOffical
@TechTokOffical Год назад
Wait...u don't have the tune done? Of course there's no difference. Also a big part people don't realize are part of this is the MAF and throttle body. There no point in feeding your car extra air if the computer doesn't even know it. All doing the intake without the tune does is give u some better intake sounds
@hexagonosaurus5848
@hexagonosaurus5848 Год назад
What maf and throttle body? The only limiting factor here is the manifold. B28 maf and TB are fine up to 270hp.
@ezlife2x228
@ezlife2x228 2 месяца назад
Need bigger injections n fuel pump
@Passionforgermancars
@Passionforgermancars Год назад
Any update after tune?
@tracktiondriving
@tracktiondriving Год назад
Soon soon, have to edit and upload. Thanks for the reminder! 😉
@dcrasta
@dcrasta 3 месяца назад
😂😂😂😂. Bruh without a tune you’re just embarrassing yourself. Bring a laptop and Romraider and a ms41 flasher and fix the maps
@konigvonpreuen8065
@konigvonpreuen8065 Год назад
Useless comparison without tuning
@tracktiondriving
@tracktiondriving Год назад
We live to learn 😉👍
@TechTokOffical
@TechTokOffical Год назад
​@raceweb I have no argument to that logic...well maybe posting it online part. Personally woulda waited till everything was done and had the comparison dyno runs
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