Magnifique !! La musique tient ici le milieu entre la nature matérielle et la nature intellectuelle. Elle peut dépouiller l'amour de son écorce terrestre ou donner un corps à l'ange selon les dispositions de celui qui écoute, ses accords sont des pensées, des cicatrices ou des caresses 🔥🕊
Je découvre cette compositrice (en découvrant qu'elle a aussi formé tous les compositeurs américains du XXè!!), c'est vraiment dommage qu'elle n'ait pas plus composé que cela. Merci pour toutes ces musiques.
It makes me really sad to think of Nadia's unfulfilled genius as a composer. She stopped writing after Lili died, and she once told Fauré, who disapproved of her decision, "If there is one thing of which I am certain, it is that my music is worthless." Dear Nadia, may your soul rest in peace. You continue to exist in the countless people you have taught and inspired, all the lives you have touched, talents you have unleashed and great music you helped fulfill.
Her love for music, her knowledge and her personal style would have yielded much of great music, yet one should take into account her circumstances. Her father died when she was very young and she started earning as soon as possible, also for the sake of her mother and her sister. Then she could not get a scholarship that her sister was granted for. Her music was not recognised and understood by those who decided who will be able to earn living by composing or playing. I heard her say in the video that her music was "inutile". This does not mean "worthless", I think she wanted to say that it "could not be used", I suppose it could be interpreted as in the sense to support her and her loved ones. It was very convenient for those who benefited from her spirit to assign her a role of a teacher and assistant instead of admiting her a possibility to achieve and attain a position that she would have deserved. But yet she speaks to us; even if only one work survived. Clearly she was much more than a teacher.
The immense symphonic support in this work makes is as much a symphony as a concerto. It would be a great vehicle for a smaller orchestra with a fine but not renowned soloist. I would love to hear it done.
I agree She was as great as her sister. Teaching properly anything you must know your subject very well. She had to provide for her family at a very young age.
I agree that the loss of Nadia Boulanger's potential is sad.But, her thought lives through her students. She literally changed my life...in spite of my brief time with her. I am forever grateful to her!!
That's wonderful. I have read about her impact on her students through a biography written on Astor Piazzolla. She was a turning point in his development, and encouraged him to embrace tango unabashedly in order to find "his voice" as a composer. That alone speaks volumes of her dedication as a teacher and mentor. You were so fortunate...
Basically, Lili was the composer and Nadia the teacher. However, Nadia composed a few works when she was young but as she was not satisfied with the results she completely stopped composing afterwards. Anyway thanks for your comments and enjoy the music. Cheers from sunny Toulouse. Jean-Christian
Thank you! This music connects me to my past because my jazz piano teacher Fred Valdez studied with Nadia Boulenger in Paris just after WWII while he was stationed there with the U.S. Army. He spent several lessons on Debussy's Clair de Lune, and we, in turn, spent time in breaking down the music harmonically and rhythemically. The Rhapsody on your site has brought her full circle in my life. Many thanks!
She clearly undervalued her ability as a composer - being the sister of Lili B must have been humbling. What a mercy that she dedicated herself to teaching. The works of her pupils are her memorial..
Nadia Boulanger ( 9/16/1887 - 10/22/1997, 93+ ) , French composer and conductor ) was probably the greatest composition teacher in Western music history. Many important 20th century composers were her students.
One 20th composer was aided by NOT becoming her student. George Gershwin spent an afternoon with Madam Boulanger. She sent him away saying that Gershwin would lose his way musically, if he spent too much time with her. What a wise teacher.
Nadia should have developed HER OWN talent. She put herself aside for her sister Lily and then her students. I want to cry at the loss. She was too self-critical! I love you Nadia and thank you!
I'm not agree. Her talent is in her students: Piazzolla, Jones, Glass, etc. A part of the best music of century XX was composed by the students of her. That is very, very awesome.... The touch that they lacked is the work of her....... That for me is more impressive than being a composer.
From Wikipedia; Among her students were those who became leading composers, soloists, arrangers, and conductors, including Aaron Copland, Roy Harris, Virgil Thomson, Darius Milhaud, Elliott Carter, David Diamond, Dinu Lipatti, Igor Markevitch, İdil Biret, Daniel Barenboim, John Eliot Gardiner, Philip Glass, Lalo Schifrin, Astor Piazzolla, Quincy Jones, and Michel Legrand. Her female students, whose chances in the 20th century for recognition were significantly lower than that of the men, include notable American composers such as Louise Talma, Elaine Bearer, Eugenie Kuffler, Elise Grant Cieslak, and Anne Robertson.
This has the modern sense of melody you hear in film music but much more intricate. I mean she probably taught a whole lot of the modern film composers.
There's craftsmanship and then there's character and personality. It's rare to find both together. Nadia Boulanger's compositions were not considered remarkable in her time (she said this herself) still they are of better quality than most current stuff.
This is a composition that deserves to be taken very seriously. It has high standards and I think it achieves it¨s goal. A pity that she could not live off her writing. She was a great and versatile teacher. Among her pupils are Aaron Copland, Dinu Lipatti and Astor Piazzola.
@@kimsahl8555 Had "Little Nadia" lived, she may have been the equal of other great composers. We'll never know because she died at a young age, and had she lived, would have encountered pervasive gender discrimination. Civilization's loss on two counts.
@@stillstanding6031 In time there was no great woman composer, in our time there is't no great computer composer either. Trying to make a little one great will not succeed.
Thank you! This music connects me to my past because my jazz piano teacher Fred Valdez studied with Nadia Boulenger in Paris just after WWII while he was stationed there with the U.S. Army. He spent several lessons on Debussy's Clair de Lune, and we, in turn, spent time in breaking down the music harmonically and rhythemically. The Rhapsody on your site has brought her full circle in my life. Many thanks! drksenior
I have none of the in-depth knowledge of musical composition that many of the commenters here have. It was an off-hand comment somewhere which drew me here. So this is my first exposure to Nadia Boulanger; and I feel like someone who's been used to two-buck chuck tasting a Bruno Giacosa red-label Riserva Barolo.
Quand le monde fléchit autour de soi, quand les structures d’une civilisation vacillent, il est bon de revenir à ce qui, dans l’histoire, ne fléchit pas, mais au contraire redresse le courage, rassemble les séparés, pacifie sans meurtrir. Il est bon de rappeler que le génie de la création est lui aussi à l’œuvre dans une histoire vouée à la destruction 👀
This music had been used as example in the italian youtube cultural video "Lezioni di Musica - Le Donne nella Musica" of the channel "musicamonteverde". Is a really very very interesting video.
Merci beaucoup de mettre cette passionnante Fantaisie de Nadia Boulanger en ligne ! J’aimerais connaître le nom du pianiste, de l’orchestre et du chef d’orchestre ! Très belle interprétation également. Le talent compte pour faire connaître des œuvres sans les disqualifier. Merci d’avance pour votre réponse !
OK I maybe an ignorant - I had no chance to get any music education at all. The only access to classic music that I have is my ears. For some reason, I also like classic music. Despite my total ignorance =) So I like this piece! Why it reminds me to Aleksandr Skryabin, I don't know. It just does. I guess because it was the same era in history ... but what do I know.
peccato non siano citati gli interpreti...come altrove.Chi la scopre resta monco...poichè è molto importante nel percorso di questa grande Artista amante della didattica sapere Chi imbastisce e Tesse la ragnatela della sua creatività in maniera così chimica verso le intenzioni fulminanti della sua creatrice.Sono emozionato poichè quando ero a Parigi sedicenne ebbi modo di assistere ad una Sua lezione sull'Improvvisazione...e poi alla radio ascoltai per puro caso il Requiem di Poulenc diretto da lei credo da New York...alla Carnegie Hall?...e qui riconosco quel suo parlare...per me arabo..delle cadenze?Sono commosso...trovarla nel mare Magnun della musica...sia benedetto il Tubo. Chapeau a chi posta queste perle.lunga vita..
wonderful! do you happen to know how they got around the extensive revisions Boulanger made in the score? I've read that these extensive revisions made the score unplayable, but that clearly isn't true here. Any info on that? Thanks!
How fascinating to hear a major work from one the 20th Century's most influential musicians. Do you know anything about the score used for this recording? My understanding is that Mme. Boulanger's revisions and rewrites were so extensive (she was never happy with the piece) as to make it unplayable.
She was a wild wild wild woman for her day! My quantum-entangled sister, I suppose! But just like family members of geniuses, I am not that celebrated a sibling.
Just read her Wikipedia entry and it almost totally ignores her work as a composer. Hopefully some Wikipedia contributor will rectify that regrettable but hardly surprising omission.
It's strange, but I think many of the best theorists and teachers start out wanting to become composers, but they get seduced by the study of music, which is of course an endless persuit. I think, often, they'd give and learn as much or more by example than by teaching analysis, etc. I mean, when we analyse composers music, do we learn as much as we would if we tried to put ourselves in their shoes?
good thinking. There's an old english proverb which expresses a similar thought " if you want to learn -teach. the tragedy is most people are so precoccupied with money - either because of lack, or excess, of it, that they quite simply haven't the foggiest notion of either.
is there a conceptual element in musical analysis which is more important than any other such element ? is timbre more elemental than melody ? are these false questions ? are there such elements at all ? are these useful questions ?
@@truthlivingetc88 You know. It's not Nadia Boulanger who's playing actually. It's also why i would like to analyse this piece, to even go more far on the understanding of this piece. Even in piece less complexe in harmony. Like some Mozart's Sonata etc etc etc... It's ALWAYS more interesting to see the score rather than only listen (Interpretation). And might be i am pianist and would like to play it ? Might be the fact to listen and read in same time give me still more emotion ? Might be that the fact to understand EACH NOTES in Classical music is Really important for someone who can actually Read ? Might be i would like to read for imagine my own interpretation ? Might be in the World of Music you have different type of people ? The Musician ? The listener ? The dreamer ? The Analyser ? The Critic ? ETC ETC ..... Who am i ? Might be all of this ... I don't know about (False question) Or (True Question) But i think that my (Lust) (Will) to search her Scores are more important that your Stupid question and what you think is Essential or not.
163/5000 She wrote quite well, but her sister Lili could be a genius ifshe didn't die so young. Lili has a much deeper scope. Nadia's credit is more in that pedagogical activity.
I hear nothing in this piece as demonstration against what Boulanger said, i.e. she had well-learned the craft and had a fine command of it, but, in her own words, "I realized I had absolutely nothing to say." What she composed until she stopped is 'well-written,' blandly generic -- and unmemorable. She more than made a huge and lasting mark on music as a teacher.
that's probably because he knows music better than you and has better ears than yours, more aware of musical conventions... he's right: this music is well written and pretty conventional - her sister Lili was far more interesting, unlukly she died too young for knowing whether she could be a good composer. I appreciate that Nadia Boulanger was so wise to understand her limits. it's so rare.
She underestimated herself, probably as a coping mechanism after losing her sister and wanting to protect her mother from the memory. You're underestimating her, too, but you have no such excuse. I will certainly remember this piece. 7777Scion is right - your ears are made of tin and you're tasteless; I'll add to that that your head is a box of rocks.
According to what I am able to listen (if I can say that, cause the quality of recording is obviously not your best) through your channel, I guess you're probably kidding.
@@oosallytomatooo1321 I doubt he is kidding. I agree with him. There is nothing here but a list of musical cliches strung together with stylistic hints from Rachmaninov, early Debussy, Frank, and many others, but without their flare. It is also bland, plodding and lacking in originality, and full of predictably cod-climaxes. I have no doubt she was a competent musician technically but her decision to abandon composition was a good one.
@@fingerhorn4 I agree ...pleasant but not engaging...sort of a nondescript classical elevator music with themes that are short lived, trite and go nowhere.