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SpaceX Crew Dragon RESCUE Impacts Boeing's Years of Experience! So, Be Stuck in Space 

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NASA's relationship with Boeing's Starliner has faced significant challenges, leading to a growing preference for SpaceX's Crew Dragon. The Starliner program, initially a beacon of innovation, has been mired in technical setbacks, cost overruns, and safety concerns. These issues have forced NASA to increasingly rely on SpaceX’s crew dragon as reliable transport to the International Space Station (ISS).
On June 5, 2024, NASA and Boeing launched the Starliner spacecraft despite detecting a helium leak prior to liftoff. This decision, based on the assessment that the leak was too minor to pose any serious threat, proved to be a pivotal error. The rocket, already delayed due to a previous leak, was cleared for launch with the assurance that the issue was negligible. However, the situation quickly deteriorated once Starliner was in orbit. Four additional helium leaks emerged, rendering one thruster inoperable and delaying the return of astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams, who were initially scheduled to return on June 13.
The decision to proceed with the launch despite the helium leak highlights systemic issues within the management of the Starliner program. NASA and Boeing had already postponed the launch once due to a similar issue, indicating a pattern of recurring technical problems. The belief that the leak was too small to impact the mission significantly underlines a critical underestimation of the spacecraft’s vulnerability to such defects.
Steve Stich, manager of NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, defended the decision, stating, “We are letting the data drive our decision-making relative to managing the small helium system leaks and thruster performance we observed during rendezvous and docking.” This approach, while data-driven, has not been sufficient to address the fundamental reliability issues plaguing the Starliner.
You know, the astronauts onboard, Wilmore and Williams, have been directly affected by these technical failures. Their return trip has been rescheduled multiple times as engineers analyze and attempt to mitigate the leaks and thruster issues. While NASA insists that the astronauts are safe and capable of undocking and returning at any time, if necessary, the delays have cast doubt on the spacecraft’s actual reliability in future.
Now, the return trip for the astronauts was postponed until at least July 2, with ongoing uncertainty about whether Starliner can complete its six-hour return journey. This delay has not only impacted the astronauts but also the overall mission schedule, planning for future launches, and the extended stay on the ISS adds to operational complexities and resource management challenges.
Boeing’s difficulties with the Starliner are part of a broader pattern of technical and safety challenges that have beleaguered the aerospace giant. The company has faced mounting criticism following a series of high-profile malfunctions in its commercial aircraft, including the Boeing 737 Max 9 incident in January 2024. In that event, a door panel blew off an Alaskan Airlines jet due to missing bolts, spotlighting systemic issues in Boeing’s production and quality assurance processes.
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@tanzanos
@tanzanos 3 дня назад
This is what happens when Wall Street decides to run a company previously run by engineers.
@spacecadet35
@spacecadet35 3 дня назад
But didn't you know, managers with MBAs know more about engineering than trained engineers?
@sbcap3809
@sbcap3809 3 дня назад
Hold on, is Wall Street footing the bill? Put blame where it fits, government program, your tax money, just keep working slave, they will let you know when they need more money, and shut up slave, you know we have our ways to keep you quiet “forevermore, quote the Raven”!
@zebo-the-fat
@zebo-the-fat 3 дня назад
@@spacecadet35 Ok, stick them on the next one!
@joeynpg
@joeynpg 3 дня назад
Boeings best times in my opinion was when under control of an attorney "William Allen" that did not even want job. But surprisingly but guess that's why the board pushed him to take the job after WW2
@williammoreno2378
@williammoreno2378 3 дня назад
​​@joeynpg When he bet the company, $16M to design and build the 767-80, he had his best engineers, test pilots and anyone that knew how to build airplanes in a very long meeting if it could be done. Rumor is that thd minutes of that meeting were destroyed. I think from the "go" decision of that meeting to first flight of the Dash 80 was between 2-3 years.
@HelloNotMe9999
@HelloNotMe9999 3 дня назад
Wow… Boeing screwed up? Who would’ve thought?
@BlueJazzBoyNZ
@BlueJazzBoyNZ 3 дня назад
Did they check if the hatch has all it's bolts..?
@richardmckinnon8791
@richardmckinnon8791 3 дня назад
No the had no shame
@jagadeeshchirasani
@jagadeeshchirasani 2 дня назад
Not the Boeing board of directors 😂
@Alex-um4fe
@Alex-um4fe 2 дня назад
Not that I makes any difference.. they will still be the number 1 choice .. 😂
@RickTheClipper
@RickTheClipper 3 дня назад
Better be an ex-astronaut than be a dead astronaut
@Ron4885
@Ron4885 3 дня назад
Agree. And the dead part 'could' happen if they come back in that ship.
@billmullins6833
@billmullins6833 3 дня назад
Yeah. Posthumous awards suck!
@dennissmith6783
@dennissmith6783 3 дня назад
for sure
@erichayes2890
@erichayes2890 3 дня назад
I will definately go along with that!!
@scottgm321
@scottgm321 3 дня назад
Boeing got $4.7 Billion and X got $2.1 Billion. Most of Boeings money went to the CEO and CFO and not to the program. Tell the families of the Challenger astronauts that cold weather on O rings is just a minor issue and okay to lift off with. There are no "small" issues with space travel.
@SouthernRotors
@SouthernRotors 3 дня назад
So I guess you know that only Starline and Soyuz can do altitude burns for IIS right? Not Dragon... Two very different spacecraft.
@andyspoo2
@andyspoo2 3 дня назад
​@@SouthernRotorswell done for abdolutely missing the point.
@jeffreyrudolph5061
@jeffreyrudolph5061 2 дня назад
"Just switch hats "
@vladislawr1594
@vladislawr1594 2 дня назад
Boeing got 4.2 billion and SpaceX 2.6 billion ... Is the contract originally
@valentinguz
@valentinguz День назад
Truth will come out
@mileslangston3310
@mileslangston3310 3 дня назад
If they're confidant, they could return starliner empty and have dragon pick up the crew just to be safe.
@matthewjohnston3195
@matthewjohnston3195 3 дня назад
That would be the sensible option.
@chrisbraid2907
@chrisbraid2907 3 дня назад
Just depending on the automation to land it? Presuming that it has that kind of control …. Was Starliner designed to fly Autonomously like Dragon ? If so, it would be safer to send the trash back in it and the Astronauts in the Dragon … six Billion Dollars and it’s not Perfect … time to stop the graft! Plug the Money leak and let Boeing go back and focus on making safer Aircraft. They seem to have lost their engineers and taken on too many accountants …
@summerbeemeadow
@summerbeemeadow 3 дня назад
The Dragon spacesuits are an integral part of crew transportation in that vehicle. They are fitted and built for each passenger. Boeing suits will not attach to Dragon's systems.
@jimnjele.bean-dayone3505
@jimnjele.bean-dayone3505 3 дня назад
Sensible yes, but we're Boeing, and we're better than SpaceX 'cause we're older and been around longer, and built lotsa stuff albet not lately but you know, we're older....yeah thats it.... Sorry Boeing, your done here...
@richard--s
@richard--s 3 дня назад
​​@@summerbeemeadow so much for redundance and a safe fallback ;-) Let's make it incompatible. The perfect non-solution. Nothing learned from Apollo 13.
@r.a.monigold9789
@r.a.monigold9789 3 дня назад
It was a simple misunderstanding - Boeing thought NASA wanted a CRUDE Space Craft. So that's what Boeing delivered.
@PeterHonig.
@PeterHonig. 3 дня назад
It's even worse than that; they dropped the "E" and just delivered CRUD.
@xenotriver
@xenotriver 3 дня назад
@@PeterHonig. yup, Certain Rapid Unscheduled Dissasembly
@angelarch5352
@angelarch5352 3 дня назад
"Leaky valves are bad? Why didn't you tell us that 2 years ago!"- Boeing
@liberty406zoo
@liberty406zoo 3 дня назад
At twice the price of a reliable craft. Lobbyist rule.
@rogercorbett122
@rogercorbett122 3 дня назад
🤣
@TheThirdEye38
@TheThirdEye38 3 дня назад
On a positive note At least the hatch didn't blow off
@charlesravert8781
@charlesravert8781 3 дня назад
😅
@Magnus-qr7lj
@Magnus-qr7lj 3 дня назад
Yet!
@Franklin-jj4jz
@Franklin-jj4jz 3 дня назад
.... yet
@billmullins6833
@billmullins6833 3 дня назад
There is that!
@stephensfarms7165
@stephensfarms7165 3 дня назад
Starliner program is over, if it ever gets back. Boeing wastes more money. SpaceX is a better choice than any other.
@johnnyhollis9977
@johnnyhollis9977 3 дня назад
Yes, Space X has an impressive track record for manned launches and successful missions. Boeing's junk is not fit for purpose and a waste of money.
@bighoss9705
@bighoss9705 3 дня назад
Boeing should stay with the commercial aircraft business. Wait a minute, they can't do that right either. Let's reward the CEO with a $33 million dollar salary for their incompetence.
@wyattnoise
@wyattnoise 3 дня назад
Counterpoint: No, it isn't and Elon wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire... Licking billionaire boots is always pathetic.
@davidtesler1198
@davidtesler1198 3 дня назад
@@bighoss9705 The CEO bullshit seems to be common and needs to be ended in every company. No one person needs that kind of money at the expence of thousands of other employess.
@derekmillar5407
@derekmillar5407 3 дня назад
@@wyattnoise LoL ,, if you were trapped on the space station with no way back ,, you would lick Elon's boots even if they were covered in dog crap just to get him to send a dragon up to save you. Don't kid yourself you wouldn't ,, keyboard warrior. LoL. 😂✌
@RovingPunster
@RovingPunster 3 дня назад
As a former senior software quality assurance engineer in the defense sector (but not for Boeing), I feel confident in positing that Boeing's current rash of problems with quality and reliability are not really technological but rather are a symptom of bad upper management. They need to clean house upstairs and get of all the misguided overpaid and underqualified bean counters who are currently running the company into the ground, and back to their time honored practices of prioritizing quality and reliability over speed and profit margin. Put more simply, they have too many people like Pharma Bro in charge right now, and not enough like Gene Kranz.
@RovingPunster
@RovingPunster 3 дня назад
Prediction: they produce their own air and water on the ISS, so theres actually no near term emergency for the ISS. I think they'll just wait for (or move up) the next regular resupply mission and include extra food and a supply of liquid helium to recharge the reaction control thruster system ... that way they can focus on isolating and fixing the leaks without worrying about running out on the return flight. The return flight can wait for a subsequent crew if necessary, IMO. Instead of spinning this as a humiliating rescue by a competitor, they should show a little humility and a can do attitude by rising to the occasion ... namely, embrace TEAMWORK with the competition, instead of an all or nothing US vs THEM approach. We will never become a space faring civilization without adaptability, teamwork and cooperation, especially in extremis situations. Apollo 13 proved that.
@spacecadet35
@spacecadet35 3 дня назад
The trouble is that the people that most need to be fired are the same people who decide who gets to be fired. And the trouble with these managers is they hate anyone that is smarter than them (most of the engineers) and their solution to every problem is to hire more managers because they understand other managers, but they cannot understand why engineers insist that they actually spend money on unnecessary expenses like safety or experienced staff. Experienced staff must be fired because they may disagree with the management and management is always right because they are smarter than the engineers, that is why they are in charge.
@tangibleguy56
@tangibleguy56 3 дня назад
Sadly, an ironic parallel to our current government who also need to clean house.
@davefarmery8180
@davefarmery8180 3 дня назад
Speed 😂 if they go any slower they would be going backwards
@ronaldlebeck9577
@ronaldlebeck9577 3 дня назад
@@RovingPunster I don't know if they can refill the helium supply while in space. The craft might have to be partially disassembled before anyone could fix the leak or add more to the tank(s), and that would be difficult at best in orbit. I wouldn't put it past Boing! (Boeing) for not thinking about the possibility of needing easily accessible (by someone in a spacesuit) refill ports while in space. 🤔
@dalegreenaway
@dalegreenaway 3 дня назад
Imagine what SpaceX could have done with that 4.5b + ........
@nathanbrown8680
@nathanbrown8680 3 дня назад
SpaceX demonstrably didn't need it. I'm more interested in what some other new space company could have done with 4.5b. I approve of what Elon Musk is doing, but nobody should be a monopoly and Boeing is failing as competition.
@johnpajestka5022
@johnpajestka5022 3 дня назад
Glowing example of politics destroying innovation.
@rozonoemi9374
@rozonoemi9374 3 дня назад
@@nathanbrown8680 Why NASA did not pick Blue Origin then?
@RyanGribble
@RyanGribble 3 дня назад
Starship would be on its way to Mars already lol.
@just_archan
@just_archan 3 дня назад
​@@rozonoemi9374didn't started. They don't work on human rating of new Glenn for now.
@Mark_773
@Mark_773 3 дня назад
They would rather have the crew suffer a horrible death than have the crew rescued by Spacex
@billmullins6833
@billmullins6833 3 дня назад
Of course! After all it's not their tender asses on the line. It's easy to make a decision that could kill somebody else. Bureaucrats will be bureaucrats.
@garystewart3110
@garystewart3110 3 дня назад
There are 4 different spacecraft they can that are docked to ISS they can take if they need to. Dragon, Cygnus, Progress, and Soyuz.
@jaderal
@jaderal 3 дня назад
@@garystewart3110 good luck trying to return with Cygnus and Progress
@camojoe83
@camojoe83 3 дня назад
That's why they picked those astronauts. No loss there.
@SterileNeutrino
@SterileNeutrino 3 дня назад
I misread this as "...rescued by Space Marines" ("We are on an express elevator to hell!")
@johnjackson8561
@johnjackson8561 3 дня назад
If it's Boeing I'm not going 👍
@user-mr3cz5vt6n
@user-mr3cz5vt6n 3 дня назад
You? Hahahaha
@Hungary_0987
@Hungary_0987 3 дня назад
​@@user-mr3cz5vt6nWhat context ám I missing
@SouthernRotors
@SouthernRotors 3 дня назад
You couldn't go if your life depended on it...
@possumj7307
@possumj7307 3 дня назад
if Boeing can’t get our astronauts home then Boeing is done.
@rbjazzman
@rbjazzman 3 дня назад
R.I.P. BOEING
@joyceleadbetter2600
@joyceleadbetter2600 3 дня назад
NASA also.
@40watt_club
@40watt_club 3 дня назад
Nope
@billmullins6833
@billmullins6833 3 дня назад
Nope! Not even close! Boeing owns too many congress critters for that to happen.
@Nothinglefttosay
@Nothinglefttosay 3 дня назад
So are the astroturds
@finewine1001
@finewine1001 3 дня назад
launching it despite having a helium leak is the most boeing thing ever
@prmath
@prmath 3 дня назад
PLEASE….. send up a SpaceX device to bring these two back home. You can always bring the Boeing craft back as normal, just without people on board This time…..”Be safe… Not sorry”
@leschortos9196
@leschortos9196 3 дня назад
Hard to believe humanity did this over a half century ago many times with no problems. Just proves it's not the technology but the people using it.
@rozonoemi9374
@rozonoemi9374 3 дня назад
In the past, there were no cut corner from NASA for Appolo missions.
@spacecadet35
@spacecadet35 3 дня назад
One of the Gemini missions did get a stuck thruster. But that was back in the 1960s.
@mtlauj8038
@mtlauj8038 3 дня назад
it was a cinematic movie script. U.S. is starting to show its true color as a liar!
@stevencornett2038
@stevencornett2038 3 дня назад
It’s not even the people using it but the competency crisis that enveloped our tech companies. Boeing is a failed enterprise running a troubled program.😢
@tangibleguy56
@tangibleguy56 3 дня назад
To be fair, North American Aviation, the company that designed and bulit to Apollo command modules had epic issues with the design and a fatal pad fire. That being said, the engineering team was innovative and focused on the project. No 3D modeling and design. Slide rules and paper drafting. Amazing effort and a project America can be proud of. Read the book on Harrison ( Stormy) Storms, the engineering leader for Apollo.
@MrGchiasson
@MrGchiasson 3 дня назад
Boeing's safety standard, "Ahh, it's good enough. We have a schedule to keep. What could possibly go wrong?" Boing Boing..may never recover as a company.
@SCGili710
@SCGili710 3 дня назад
which isn't good for anyone, really. Competition is important, in aerospace as well as in space.
@verypleasantguy
@verypleasantguy 3 дня назад
Remember *Kodak* ? Boeing will join Kodak, soon !
@carlrasmussen2778
@carlrasmussen2778 3 дня назад
One can only hope. Between DEI Boeing and DEI United Airlines, who wants to fly, and I love to travel. I think the consumer should be told if the CREW is a DEI group and then be able to transfer to another flight. I believe that those who promote DEI should HAVE TO fly on that flight. If you feel so strong about DEI get on one of their flights.This needs to end…
@PeterHonig.
@PeterHonig. 3 дня назад
Boeing's failure to deliver a working product while being 7 years late, is utterly absurd. The Flatliner project should immediately be terminated. Too bad their squandered funding can't be clawed back.
@momofmanda
@momofmanda 3 дня назад
Flatliner…. Perfect play on words
@SouthernRotors
@SouthernRotors 3 дня назад
SpaceX is pacing right about twenty years late on Starship. This is space, it's not easy. But if you can fix it I'm sure they might give you a job, go apply.
@markcarli8259
@markcarli8259 3 дня назад
@@SouthernRotors Yes, but they can do Dragon every second day, as well.
@Powerhead1000
@Powerhead1000 3 дня назад
If I were the Starliner astronauts I would absolutely refuse to return to earth on that capsule. Even if it costs my job. I’m sure SpaceX would hire them immediately.
@silverfreckledsky618
@silverfreckledsky618 3 дня назад
I’m pretty sure that the Astronauts/test pilots work for NASA.
@Bignewf1976
@Bignewf1976 3 дня назад
100%😏
@azamzain24
@azamzain24 3 дня назад
not until someone tie up their hair in space..😜😜
@gwcrispi
@gwcrispi 3 дня назад
They are 59 and 61. They probably won't get any more flights to space.
@54321tts
@54321tts 3 дня назад
@@gwcrispi I wouldn't be so sure, the oldest man in space was 90, thanks to tech advancement, space travel aren't nearly as taxing on the body as the erly days.
@Godzzbinzz
@Godzzbinzz 3 дня назад
Boeing is used to having government contracts handed to them. This causes complacency. Musk and space x have had to fight for it and prove themselves the hard way, this causes a much better quality outcome.
@user-jk8li8bv7i
@user-jk8li8bv7i 3 дня назад
If I was one of the astronauts I would tell NASA "hell no" if told to fly that POS back to earth. I think that is what has happened and why the delays continue.
@billmullins6833
@billmullins6833 3 дня назад
Sorry. That just isn't how astronauts roll.
@SouthernRotors
@SouthernRotors 3 дня назад
You are very wrong, they are collecting data before they scrap the command module for re-entry. Dummy...
@bodypilot2006
@bodypilot2006 3 дня назад
Having worked with Boeing I was never impressed with their culture of bureaucracy and the fact their leaders never listen to the engineers that see and understand the problems. It's led to a culture where people don't really speak up.
@lordleonusa
@lordleonusa 2 дня назад
Who can blame them, they'd likely get suicided!
@shirolee
@shirolee 3 дня назад
Boeing can't even make passenger airliners right, how are they expected to make a spaceship?
@SouthernRotors
@SouthernRotors 3 дня назад
Google the X37B which is in space right now on a space force mission. Your comment means less than nothing...
@Gary-oy1ji
@Gary-oy1ji 3 дня назад
They had better not get these Astronauts killed because of Money and Petty Rivalries between Companies.
@billmullins6833
@billmullins6833 3 дня назад
Guess we'll see in a week or 10 days. Cross your fingers.
@derekmillar5407
@derekmillar5407 3 дня назад
Starliner is either safe to come back now or it is not. Keeping it up there for longer is not going to change the problems it is having. The delay is really because NASA is too scared to make a decision one way or another, and it is pathetic. If NASA does not have the confidence that Starliner can make it back safely ,, they should ask SpaceX to send a Dragon up , and worry about the consequences for Boeing once the astronauts have been brought back safely. 😂✌
@jessewintermute8031
@jessewintermute8031 3 дня назад
They can't rn as all the dragon capsules are either in use or being refurbished for missions in august. I'm guessing if they could they world. Boeing has literally averted screwed a bunch of the time line up.
@ameunier41
@ameunier41 3 дня назад
@@jessewintermute8031 I'm surprised they would send a new capsule without having the old one as backup.
@parajerry
@parajerry 3 дня назад
@@jessewintermute8031 I think you underestimate SpaceX. They are a well-oiled machine and pull off the unlikely/impossible regularly.
@rogerking7258
@rogerking7258 3 дня назад
There are two basic things to understand about engineering projects of any kind 1)The most cost effective way to do anything is "properly" 2) Fixing a problem will generally cost ten times as much as having got it right first time - time spent rectifying the problem, loss of reputation, loss of customer base, damage to share price, etc.
@RonanHarkins-xk5zz
@RonanHarkins-xk5zz 3 дня назад
Idk SpaceX seems to have a pretty good model in place though if you disagree can you tell me why it's a bad model ?
@rogerking7258
@rogerking7258 2 дня назад
@@RonanHarkins-xk5zz Sorry, may have given the wrong impression. In my opinion SpaceX seem to have it just about right. They know they are launching Starships that are not perfect, but they make it very clear that these are part of their ongoing R&D process and are not the "finished product". They are _expected_ to reveal problems and test new ideas, which is a perfectly legitimate, empirical way of gathering data from a real world situation. Even if that may seem a slightly old fashioned way of going about things in these days of computer simulations, they are certainly making it work brilliantly (and unbelievably rapidly). My comments were aimed at the other lot, who seem to have spent a huge amount of time and money sitting around the table convincing themselves that their product is perfect, whilst deluding themselves that some fairly obvious problems aren't real. As a Brit, it kind of reminds me of the old British Leyland car company who took the attitude of "sod it, we can get away with that", only to discover that they couldn't - and their (now long-lost) customers wouldn't stand for it.
@BastionHoldings
@BastionHoldings 3 дня назад
When i read that the Starliner was stuck, I honestly thought it was fake news. I see it's true that Boeing lived up to it's new reputation😢
@bobh6158
@bobh6158 3 дня назад
The right answer is of course have the crew return by spacex while executing a normal return of the starliner without the crew to study what might happen.
@donalddepew9605
@donalddepew9605 3 дня назад
There’s a huge difference between engineering something and designing something that works.
@vinnylamoureux1187
@vinnylamoureux1187 3 дня назад
Perhaps you should mention that to them during your job interview. They DO need to know that, and obviously don't.
@adamwn2000
@adamwn2000 3 дня назад
But on the bright side, Boeing has a diverse workforce.
@larrystuder6378
@larrystuder6378 3 дня назад
Boeing's problems are not caused by its work force, but by its higher management.
@ReiseLukas
@ReiseLukas 3 дня назад
Diversity means shit if the people building these things aren't skilled enough
@carlrasmussen2778
@carlrasmussen2778 3 дня назад
Well said. Thank goodness for DEI
@RonanHarkins-xk5zz
@RonanHarkins-xk5zz 3 дня назад
That is irrelevant we should not be focusing on that horseshit DEI means nothing in comparison to human lives Boeing is actively and continuously failing and I think that if it fails to adapt it will load the great game of market liberalism
@eugenecbell
@eugenecbell 3 дня назад
There is no “restoring” of confidence in StarLiner. The StarLiner has yet to be shown confidence worthy.
@Franklin-jj4jz
@Franklin-jj4jz 3 дня назад
One cannot restore that which never existed to begin with.
@Hardwaregeekx
@Hardwaregeekx 3 дня назад
It would be embarrassing for Boeing if they had to use the Crew Dragon to safely return the astronaut to earth. But it would be a real tragedy and beyond embarrassment if the astronauts ended up dying on the Starliner because they refused to use the Crew Dragon.
@fitzbournejack9283
@fitzbournejack9283 3 дня назад
This is similar to Ocean Gate Titan incident.
@BungayLad
@BungayLad 3 дня назад
Until the engineers at Boeing become the preeminent factor at Boeing instead of the bean counters, Boeing will continue to flounder.
@jbisntme
@jbisntme 3 дня назад
The Govt. should cut off Boeing from any future contracts.
@verypleasantguy
@verypleasantguy 3 дня назад
Do you think the government dare to fight against Wall Street ?
@EdWeibe
@EdWeibe 3 дня назад
They need a hearing like with the Challenger accident before it becomes another Challenger accident.
@scottgm321
@scottgm321 3 дня назад
But then where would all the senators and congressmen get their kickbacks from?
@40watt_club
@40watt_club 3 дня назад
It won't
@ysfex3sew
@ysfex3sew 3 дня назад
f that return trip. they never should've been allowed to go up in that bucket in the first place. imo starliner needs 10+ perfect flights in a row before they get another chance.
@johnnylogan22
@johnnylogan22 3 дня назад
Boeing needs to focus on their aerospace division and not their space division. They have no business being involved in space travel or space shit right now if they can’t get back to building airplanes correctly.
@polaritDK
@polaritDK 3 дня назад
impressive 😮 boing gets at least double payment for less, compared to spacex there must be some politicians who got a serious kickback to allow this
@purplehayes5718
@purplehayes5718 3 дня назад
NASA also made a judgment call in the past that caused the entire crew to lose their lives, and NASA said they would never do it again.
@parajerry
@parajerry 3 дня назад
Then, they did it again. (Columbia).
@riccochet704
@riccochet704 3 дня назад
If I was one of those astronauts there's not a chance in hell I'd get on that starliner for the return trip home. They better send a SpaceX crew module up for the return trip. We know they work, and work well.
@TheSnoopall
@TheSnoopall 3 дня назад
Its politics not safety
@billmullins6833
@billmullins6833 3 дня назад
As always!
@carlrasmussen2778
@carlrasmussen2778 3 дня назад
DEI=DIE
@Afterburner
@Afterburner 3 дня назад
That moment when someone at Boeing realizes that Apollo did all this before and that the blueprints were freely available from NASA if someone had just bothered to ask for them.
@edwardhubbard9769
@edwardhubbard9769 3 дня назад
😂
@thomasboese3793
@thomasboese3793 3 дня назад
No, once the Apollo program was over, Rockwell, the builder of the spacecraft left the space business and didn't leave the plans. Apollo had its major issues. Both Boeing & SpaceX started with a clean sheet of paper. BUT Boeing had MORE money & time.
@Paiadakine
@Paiadakine 3 дня назад
@@thomasboese3793I find this hard to believe. Every nasa program I worked on required drawings and documentation to be delivered. The bigger problem would be the preservation of these documents from the 1960’s. Velum and ink might not have been stored properly by nasa. Boeing of course would have to source all the parts and deal with obsolete items and reconcile new requirements from Apollo’s requirements.
@just_archan
@just_archan 3 дня назад
​@@thomasboese3793yup. Plans for many parts for Saturn V were destroyed on purpose. For several reasons. The same happened to sr-71 blackbird. After dropping program, special tools for making Sr were destroyed. F1B was recreated using not plans, but existing engine from museum, that didn't pass quality control. Basically F1b was reverse engineered.
@gwcrispi
@gwcrispi 3 дня назад
Don't worry, they rebooted and four of the five thrusters came back up...
@parajerry
@parajerry 3 дня назад
Sounds like the Starliner is running Windows. Scary.
@MrKornhole
@MrKornhole 3 дня назад
Go get them Elon. Politics be damn.
@mtn.homeforge351
@mtn.homeforge351 3 дня назад
That thing reminds me of Columbia
@myrtlekenazjanairo9411
@myrtlekenazjanairo9411 3 дня назад
Better safe than sorry. If I were the astronaut stuck in ISS with a faulty spacecraft, I would not take the risks.
@Jim-nt7xy
@Jim-nt7xy 3 дня назад
If it's Boeing, I ain't Going!
@thelammas8283
@thelammas8283 3 дня назад
This is what happens if you are not willing to blow stuff up early on.
@reneabe
@reneabe 3 дня назад
NASA’s explanation is - the issues are in the part that will be jettisoned prior to the Starliner reentry. The delay is not due to the lack of capacity of Starliner to come back home, but to provide more time to Boeing study the issues on the equipment while it exists. It makes sense.
@BenjamenMeyer
@BenjamenMeyer 3 дня назад
Something tells me that Boeing won't be getting a certification for Starliner based on this launch - meaning, yet another test cycle and more money from Boeing's pocket.
@darrelneese5676
@darrelneese5676 3 дня назад
No, Boing Boeing is too big to fail. The political pressure will ensure they get the certification.
@just_archan
@just_archan 3 дня назад
​@@darrelneese5676lately it's falling out of grace. Politicians that will officially support that, no matter from side will be bashed by voters. It's like Republican supporting gun control, or Democrat that will be pro-2A. But there will be something behind the scenes, and Boeing will have next chance. And later "contract cost adjustment" when it will dry out.
@charlesm.1638
@charlesm.1638 3 дня назад
I think Boeing outsources too much of the equipment built for Star Liner vs SpaceX where they build everything in-house and have quality control.
@willierants5880
@willierants5880 3 дня назад
Also lets be clear here. All Boeing had to do was create the crew capsule. ULA provided the launch vehicles. SpaceX on the other hand handled everything end-to-end and for a fraction of the cost. Boeing has zero excuse.
@rozonoemi9374
@rozonoemi9374 3 дня назад
Why should the NASA still want to use Starliner, being over double the cost of Space X Crew Dragon?
@wyattnoise
@wyattnoise 3 дня назад
1) it isn't twice as expensive and 2) it makes sense to have more than one launch provider, period but hey... Hope Elon sees this, champ!
@rozonoemi9374
@rozonoemi9374 3 дня назад
@@wyattnoise Yes but a reliable 2nd provider & Yes it is more tyhan double what Space X charge NASA.
@hexsystem7891
@hexsystem7891 3 дня назад
The government has deep connections with Boeing through many other contracts including key defense system contracts. Hurting Boeing by pulling contracts can potentially affect lobby money funneled into politician pockets.
@jplabrecque6708
@jplabrecque6708 3 дня назад
​@@wyattnoise 55 million per seat, vs 90 million. Pretty close
@jplabrecque6708
@jplabrecque6708 3 дня назад
​@@hexsystem7891it only affects corruption and payoffs
@georgew.5639
@georgew.5639 3 дня назад
NASA and Boeing apparently have not yet learned from the Apollo 1 North American aviation fatal fire. And two space shuttle disasters.
@user-ok1eu4tn7l
@user-ok1eu4tn7l 3 дня назад
I blame the Management of Boeing Space they had the same amount of time of SpaceX and almost 40% more funding and what did NASA get………a Lemon 🍋 🍋 🍋.
@parajerry
@parajerry 3 дня назад
...and half a century of prior spaceflight experience. Boeing has devolved into an administrative quagmire. Too many managers and not enough actual engineers. I watched the same thing happen to Disney during Eisner's leadership. Huge new departments full of bean counters and layers of management. Innovation and progress slowed to a crawl and decisions take forever to get approved. Add the Woke DEI crap and you are seeing the end result in both companies.
@billtolg843
@billtolg843 3 дня назад
The longer the Starliner spacecraft days in space environment with the heating and cooling expansion and contraction the worst the leaking in the helium tanks can get
@dash5257
@dash5257 3 дня назад
Boeing can't even keep their jets together, and why would anyone want them in a space program. They should have hired best qualified instead of DEI! Those astronauts shouldn't come back in Starliner.
@cyrillawless
@cyrillawless 3 дня назад
They are lucky they have an alternative to get home.
@billm6774
@billm6774 3 дня назад
They don't want to lose those monies from NASA, helps tide them over with the giant salaries of all their executives and to make sure the shareholders get a good return . Safety and product control are much further down their list.
@congerthomas1812
@congerthomas1812 3 дня назад
Hasn't this company been buying FAKE parts??
@bobwolfley2449
@bobwolfley2449 3 дня назад
Chinese titanium
@peterhsieh380
@peterhsieh380 3 дня назад
​@@bobwolfley2449Indian-made aluminium parts. America already banned all China-made space parts years ago.
@YSKWatch
@YSKWatch 3 дня назад
whoever the producer, doesn't matter. the order is the problem, the producer supply based on the order.
@verypleasantguy
@verypleasantguy 3 дня назад
@@bobwolfley2449 The Chinese don't want to have anything to do with Boeing
@soulquesthealingmusic2307
@soulquesthealingmusic2307 3 дня назад
Yes. And leaving parts outside, exposed to the weather.
@davidbishop-ku7dl
@davidbishop-ku7dl 3 дня назад
Good morning, Lucas. Thanks for the report.
@spacexcommunity
@spacexcommunity 3 дня назад
Morning!
@TheRealOtakuJoe
@TheRealOtakuJoe 3 дня назад
Boeing is shitting bricks right now. There in a lose/lose situation. Try to save face and potentially lose two astronauts or be humiliated by Elon. Behind the scenes, we know that Elon is already prepping a crew dragon rescue mission.
@chuanyong5442
@chuanyong5442 23 часа назад
True that
@amptunes
@amptunes 3 дня назад
Paint it yellow and call it the lemonliner. 😊
@BigAlsautoupholstery
@BigAlsautoupholstery 3 дня назад
No astronaut in their right mind would want to fly on starliner
@duaneporter2061
@duaneporter2061 3 дня назад
They put the schedule ahead of safety? Their schedule was TERRIBLE!
@VesaGuardian
@VesaGuardian 2 дня назад
A "down to earth" approach of mine: As an airline traveller, I never board a Boeing plane, and I never will.
@stoic1024
@stoic1024 3 дня назад
Crew Dragon is not the “preferred choice” for NASA, it’s the ONLY choice! Go SpaceX!
@richardquasius4940
@richardquasius4940 3 дня назад
Let's not have another challenger/columbia incident. I know they aren't going to dump boeing (to many political contributions. But let them refine with cargo missions, and let spacex continue crew missions.
@pepegac9999
@pepegac9999 3 дня назад
I have a bad feeling Boeing is gona hire all the HitMan's in the world on SpaceX
@AmericanCrusader222
@AmericanCrusader222 3 дня назад
After Starship IFT-4, it dawned on me. Boeing isn’t SpaceX’s competitor. They’re on the bench.
@camojoe83
@camojoe83 3 дня назад
Hey! RELAX BRO! At least brown hands built in an equitable, diverse, and inclusive way. Imagine how bad it would be if they didn't make sure of the color of the hands that build their stuff. What if there was *gasp* *TOO MANY WHITE ONES!?* Imagine how bad it would be then.
@RonanHarkins-xk5zz
@RonanHarkins-xk5zz 3 дня назад
Fuck DEI it wastes resources
@UIE2701
@UIE2701 3 дня назад
All the jobs these days are identified by Companies globally as requiring Degrees including for Lead or Head Quality positions, but the clowns dont as for these positions, to be identified and filled in by time-served personnel with a minimum 4 year apprenticeships then with this experienced qualification, be put into the correct positions. Middle East Oil and Gas and Engineering Companies are the same. So effectively people making decisions may not have the field experience of trade served people. They would have corrected the helium leaks instead of leaving to the management who let it past the gate putting these astronauts' lives at stake. ! Typical of Companies these days comparing to the 1960's and 70's. Sad..
@dannoyes4493
@dannoyes4493 3 дня назад
Boeing's is overrun with MBA's, HR, DEI. To succeed, more engineering, more ass-kicking, less feelings, less profiling. This is a risky business - innovation and risk-taking is a must,
@larrystuder6378
@larrystuder6378 3 дня назад
You wanta fly in that thing ?
@shellac23
@shellac23 3 дня назад
We need more than one company sending ships up. Fosters competition. That being said, Boeing better get it together
@lonnyself3920
@lonnyself3920 3 дня назад
I think this is the point I been making its not a failure as long as they can send a repair up because you have a way , And having more ways to get there and back is survival its self, so Boeing need to do better but it is a complex system that runs off government funding maybe that's the bigger issue .
@davidmccallum5732
@davidmccallum5732 3 дня назад
When the target is "good enough" rather than perfection you will always get "not quite good enough".
@raydiofolk
@raydiofolk 3 дня назад
The forward flap basically stoped burning away the moment the plasma flow could pass. therfore the flap worked in the end. So a more simple improvement is to use one hinge of titanium, and a disk shaped flap. I personally would put two little gridfins from titanium, turning from or towards eachother.
@parajerry
@parajerry 3 дня назад
I was thinking the flaps should be positioned closer together on the top-side of the fuselage so the hinges are just outside the slipstream. The flap can be moved horizontally into the slipstream to effect control, but the hinge area is safely in the wake of the ship instead of in the plasma.
@amystrain3190
@amystrain3190 2 дня назад
@@parajerry this is already in the v2 design
@earth2006
@earth2006 3 дня назад
No, he has asked what the proportional effect on upper echelon management's bonus checks is.?
@edwardotto4053
@edwardotto4053 День назад
SpaceX should offer NASA a Cost + 5% contract for all manned flights from US to ISS
@henrypierce8010
@henrypierce8010 3 дня назад
It isn't data driven. Otherwise, they'd have understood the helium leaks before launch.
@michaelkeudel8770
@michaelkeudel8770 3 дня назад
What caused the damage on the docking ring on the station side at 1:30?
@Mr.Eldritch
@Mr.Eldritch 3 дня назад
Boeing was once a great American company. "Was" being the key word here.
@schalkspies8189
@schalkspies8189 3 дня назад
Starliner is a political project and it's now showing, mega inefficiency is, from the outside, inevitable while Dragon is a lean, efficient service driven by innovative, visionary leadership.
@bresnik
@bresnik 3 дня назад
At this point, the only way to save face is to leave the crew and bring the starliner back empty. Then fix the problem and send up another Starliner to pick them up. NASA and Boeing both lose face if a Dragon is sent to pick up the astronauts but saving face should be second to safety.
@rawveganterra
@rawveganterra 3 дня назад
The crew is safe on planet Earth…
@amystrain3190
@amystrain3190 2 дня назад
there were 3 and 2 YEARS between starliner flights. there is no another starliner, it's more profit effective to completely build them one at a time.
@petermenningen338
@petermenningen338 3 дня назад
This is what happens when your team and designers are tasked with creating a ship that the CEO will use to go to Mars.
@Canoga_Knuckles
@Canoga_Knuckles 3 дня назад
The titanic would cost $200,000,000 to build today, star liner is at 4.2 billion or $4,200,000,000 At least titanic had 20 lifeboats, Starliner has none well I guess that’s not accurate SpaceX will bring the boys home
@SDuapveer11
@SDuapveer11 3 дня назад
I have my own "conspiracy theory" about this whole situation... If and only if they are able to get this wreck back to earth, it could be that they keep delaying the return to build up suspense so that if and only if they make it back they can say see, we knew what we were doing... now give us a parade because we are truly American heroes... It's not like they can actually fix anything at this point so why keep putting it off?
@ThyUnit.
@ThyUnit. 2 дня назад
Haven’t we learned from history that we shouldn’t just launch people into space when there’s leaks
@maxflight777
@maxflight777 3 дня назад
What does helium do on the spaceship ?
@michaellucht6351
@michaellucht6351 3 дня назад
Boeing awarded $4 billion, Space X awarded $2 billion, this shows Boeing inability to deliver on any projects without a loss, KC-46, VC-25B, and Starliner. Shows it has poor corporate management.
@PaulHarris-sl1ct
@PaulHarris-sl1ct 3 дня назад
I think boing uses the Ray Charles quality control lab " Yup that looks green, ship it"
@davedave2941
@davedave2941 3 дня назад
Pull all data of senators who are now dumping Boeing stock 😉
@williamgrimberg2510
@williamgrimberg2510 3 дня назад
The big question is who at the top of NASA is getting paid with these huge cost overruns . We need names which should also include those at government agencies.
@parajerry
@parajerry 3 дня назад
"Bill Nelson"
@chikes4862
@chikes4862 3 дня назад
that boeing has screwed up is going on for a few years.but are the connecoters off the sueds that connect hem to the starlinere going to fit with the ones in dragon ??? or is dragon going to bring new sueds for the nasa astronauts
@LeonardWWard
@LeonardWWard 3 дня назад
Once upon a time the astronauts complained about how primitive the Crew Dragon experience was or whatever. Did that change? Did it improve?
@Anti-u4ever
@Anti-u4ever 3 дня назад
Bring Douglas Aircraft company back
@w13rdguy
@w13rdguy 3 дня назад
Wow, that broomstick is warped!
@jackhydrazine1376
@jackhydrazine1376 3 дня назад
Leakliner. It's a leaker!
@carlwilkinson7183
@carlwilkinson7183 3 дня назад
Starleaker!
@gelf1907
@gelf1907 3 дня назад
Boeing... Leaker... Hum, I think Starliner should avoid parking lots...
@amphortas1
@amphortas1 3 дня назад
Stayliner, Scrubliner
@darrelneese5676
@darrelneese5676 3 дня назад
Stuckliner. Can't leave the ISS.
@MatyasArby
@MatyasArby 3 дня назад
Behar 1?
@jimh4375
@jimh4375 3 дня назад
If you have a leak in earth atmosphere, what do you suppose will happen in the near vacuum of orbit?
@georgegyulatyan3263
@georgegyulatyan3263 3 дня назад
Whenever an engineering/manufacturing company is run by finance types instead of engineers, their products suffer. We have seen this with American automakers, Intel, and we see it with Boeing. It’s obvious that Boeing needs to fire its top brass and perform a culture reboot.
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